News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]

...another - incredibly important - reason for the existence of 500+ is to make all the lazy and selfish bezdzietne pasożyty społeczne (I mean not those who can't have children but those who don't want to) foam at the mouth while they spit at the benefit. Merely observing their helpless rage is well worth the 40 billion pln/year. :)

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


Of course it did. It was 1.29 children per mother just before introducing 500+, now it's 1.47...


Wrong again. Recently there has been an increase every year...

macrotrends.net/countries/POL/poland/fertility-rate

... not a huge one but still. Without the child benefit money and rising costs of living - thousands of people - especially those with very low and low wages, would never have decided to have children, and we would be back into 1.2 area (or even lower) again.

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


Erm... I am simply not discussing other things but 500+ at the moment. Much more money - that could be spent of children healthcare for example - is wasted in other areas than child benefit funds (95% of which goes right back to the economy (goods and services purchased locally in Poland).


Yes, I am quite comfortable financially and yes, I take 500+. I use the money to pay for my daughter's private school and my son's private kindergarten (we were refused the place in a state-run one, repeatedly). The 1000pln/month I receive covers about 35% of the cost. My daughter goes to highschool next year, so 500+ will almost cover my sons kindergarten cost (which, I suppose, is fair as the state is totally inept in this regard and cannot provide enough places in state kindergartens).

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]

... and it would be exactly the same for every other treshold. If the threshold is 2000pln - would it be fair for people at 2000pln to receive 500/800+, and those who have 2001pln not receiving it? That's why basing child benefits on income is such a raging nonsense.

Poor (really poor) families get a lot of other help and benefits: unemployment benefits, świadczenia rodzinne, opiekuńcze, pielęgnacyjne, dopłaty do czynszu, ulgi w opłatach, lokale socjalne, a lot of lonely mothers receive alimenty for their children from Fundusz Alimentacyjny etc. etc and most of them are based on income.

500+ is not such benefit - it is for every single child of everybody who has children these days (a lot of people choose not too, most often than not out of pure laziness and selfishness) and it is needed, if only to show how important it is for the survival of any country to support parenthood.

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


:D LOL!

OK... let's assume that the income treshold for 500+ is 3000pln per family member (just an example for the sake of argument). Do you really think that any Janusz, whose income would be 3100, 3200 or even 4000 p/fm would sit idly and watch his somsiad - whose income is 2999 p/fm - receive "free government money" for his children while his bombelki are deprived of such help? Ha ha ha ha... are you sure you're from Poland? :D

The next think that would happen is that all the Janusze earning even twice the treshold would be in their bosses' offices the next day negotiating the official pay cut big enough to drop below the treshold (of course they would receive the rest in cash "pod stołem"). Bosses would be more than happy, because it would mean lower ZUS, health insurance and pension payments - so while the employee would be getting the same wages (plus the child benefit), the employer would save a lot of money too. The result of that would be that magically 90% of workforce would land below the treshold and the tax income would drop drastically as well as health-care money and pension savings - a complete and utter disaster in the long run. Brilliant plan, Paulina. Really brilliant.

Some people really need that money for their daily expenses, some may go for a holiday or pay with it for a private kindergarten for example etc. but in every case the money is certainly not enough for all the cost of supporting a child - it is merely some help from the state to those who choose to have children in these difficult times and most civilised countries provide such benefits; native children are a rare and valuable little things in Europe these days, when low birth rates mean either dying out of European countries or the necessity of replacing native populations with third world immigrants.

As I said, Kindergeld, as our German friends and neighbours call it, is the best and most commonsensical social benefit ever invented.

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]

@Paulina

500+ has significantly decreased the level of poverty (especially among children). It's a good social benefit - fair and commonsensical.

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]

@amiga500

Read my post again, village idiot. I support 500+ and I mentioned it on many occasions. Not everything PiS does is stupid.

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


Think of it this way - the more money in the hands of people, the less money in the hands of Suski, Sasin or Czarnek. :) Of course, we still have Polish złoty, so the retards can print it at will and that's the problem. Poland should switch to Euro (the currency that PiS geniuses can't print) and then be as generous with social transfers as possible.

As I said - always better to give money to people (who will spend it inside the economy anyway - on food, clothes and services) than leave it with the government geniuses to waste or steal.

News / Unfulfilled promises by PiS [559]


Luckily, this Autumn we have parliamentary elections and we will "thank" the idiots responsible for that.


Gdańsk can hardly be considered the countryside. That sums up your knowledge of Poland and Poland related things pretty well. :) As for Big Mac index, it is used by over 100 countries as one of the main indicators of how well a country is doing economy-wise.

News / Unfulfilled promises by PiS [559]

Big Mac index is one of the best indicators of how well/bad a country is doing in economic terms for the general population...

... 2016 Big Mac price - 9.70pln; 2023 Big Mac price - 19.70pln.

That's how well PiS is handling the economy.

History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]


80s/90s - a lot of dairy products: pierogi ruskie (lol), leniwe, milk soup, pancakes with cottage cheese, cream or vanilla budyń for dessert; apart from that a lot of gulash and chicken, rather decent soups (nothing like what we had at home but edible) and always some sort of fruit kompot. Now that I think of it, it was quite decent but back then I never really enjoyed the meals at our school canteen because my mom was a great cook and I was spoiled at home.

Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]


Yes. Bobi is resurrecting all the Polonophobic threads in vain hope of hurting our feelings. We, however, remain as unflappable as Buddha himself. :)

Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

@Bobko

Because such threads are allowed sometimes (or even posted on purpose) to enliven the forum a bit. A kind of officially supported trolling.

There wasn't always war in Ukraine to ensure traffic for the board. Enough said :)

News / Unfulfilled promises by PiS [559]


That explains why Amiga thinks economy is so much better now than it used to be - he doesn't live here and doesn't have to deal with the exorbitant inflation.

And, judging by Kaczyński's 'electoral sausage' promises, we can expect even higher inflation if they win the election. The only upside of them winning the election will be the strengthening of the army; if PO wins they will most likely abandon most defensive projects.

Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

Not only possible but certain. We also acquired the reputation of heavy drinkers for the same reason.

Life / Poor hygiene of people in public places in Poland [46]

Poles are champion drinkers?

67th place in the world in alcohol consumption, and 102nd in alcohol dependence...

wisevoter.com/country-rankings/alcohol-consumption-by-country/

... some champions! :)


Two is hardly multiple but it's nice to be considered an oligarch once in my life. :D

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


You overestimate Polish influence on the West.

We were a relatively "new" country back then: patched together from pieces of the lands of three partitions, quite poor with a large part of population living in abject poverty (in the part of Poland where my paternal grandfather's family comes from, people were emigrating to Romania (!) in search for better life), and torn by internal conflicts. Also, we were at odds with all of our neighbours, with the exception of Hungary and Romania, and had numerous but largely outdated army.

I'm afraid our diplomatic influence over anybody back then was almost nonexistent.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


Pawian thinks that the Americans would have won the war and liberated Poland anyway, without the Soviet help. I wouldn't be so sure about that.

And if they stopped and made separate peace with Germany after liberating Italy and France? And what if the Western front alone hadn't been enough and German armies, not tied in the East, had repelled the American invasion? Would western allies really care about the Endlosung of the Polish Question (that would definitely start right after the Jewish holocaust)? I wouldn't have held my breath, considering that they didn't even care enough about the Holocaust to bomb the rail tracks leading to Auschwitz and other concentration camps (even though they were begged for it by Jewish organisations), and they had means to easily do it (they bombed a lot of industrial facilities and military targets right next to those camps).

Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]


Thank you. I thought the numbers would be higher. Interesting.

Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]


What? Maybe she meant tears of joy?


In Eastern Europe, probably not. You could even find some examples of this in Central Europe - like with PiS voters in Poland - "they steal but at least they give money for children, give us the 13th and 14th pension, build a lot of infrastructure etc." - without analysing things like taxes, inflation, currency value etc. This I can understand. But still, PiS voter base is something like about 30% (and dwindling). What is the popular support for Putin and United Russia?

Also, PiS supporters will defend their party and believe any lie they hear from Kaczyński - they don't "disdainfully ignore" the lies but rather mindlessly swallow them like young pelicans. Luckily they are a minority (30% of those who go to vote is more like 20% of all voters - 1/5th).

Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]


Hmm... when I hear all those babushkas on YouTube, explaining to me how great Putin is, I have my doubts. But very well, let's assume - just for the sake of argument - that what you say is accurate and that there is indeed this deep rift between Russian people and their government. Wouldn't such stark dichotomy eventually lead to... I don't know... some sort of collective schizophrenia? I mean, people would eventually either go mad or start believing those lies, embracing them as their own worldview.

Can you honestly say that it isn't anything like what's happening in Russia?

Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]

Yes, you've got a point there.

However, I don't buy this Russian "specific feeling towards truth". Since the advent of communism your people tolerated, or even embraced, such an amount of pure lies on every level that they had to have some propensity towards it before.

Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]

I'll give you a fairly recent example of what I mean...

Soviet 1st Belarussian Front HQ in winter 1945:

"Guys, come to us for the talks; there's a lot of things we need to discuss. The German defeat is coming soon and we have to consult you on some very important matters. Oh, come on now - you have our full warrant of safety. It's not like we're going to imprison you, transport to Moscow and stage a fake trial against you there!"

Polish Secret State and underground army leaders:

"Just some peaceful talks? Warrant of safety? OK. Very well then - let's go talk to the Russians."

*rolls eyes*


Yip. The most disastrous schoolboy mistake - start believing your own propaganda.

Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]


This very forum, for example. Remember how your buddy Velund lied through his teeth that the Russian forces along Ukrainian borders are there merely on exercise. He said this until the very day of invasion! Now, he's not a complete and utter idiot to have believed that, so he must have been lying.

Also, since the beginning of this war your media and government officials spat out such a river of lies that it would shock even the most cunning Tatar.


Hmm... fairly recent, I'd say. Before that it was as you say - naive and lazy were the main stereotypes but there was always this hint of a "cunning Asian" behind it. There is a good PhD there somewhere, for some diligent and unbiased researcher.

Life / Poland: worst teeth in the world? [98]


Erm... I dunno... they are good at poetry, love songs, lying and drinking, and they should stick to that. Hygiene and dental care sound like something a German and a Swiss might discuss with great passion, but a Pole and a Russian? Not really.

Life / Poland: worst teeth in the world? [98]

Another twelve year old thread resurrected just to hurt our precious feelings. :D You're horrible, Bobko! I think I shall call you Bobspana from now on.

Unfortunately for Russia, no matter how few bidets Poles have, how much our arses smell and how rotten our teeth are, you will still lose this war, Putin is still a cowardly war criminal and Russian footballers/hockeyist can play with their d*cks but not in the European/World competitions. Just to put things in perspective. :)

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


Yes, their country got invaded and their closed ones killed. That's why it's completely understandable that they got angry because of that. For the reason of this anger, they gathered together and formed an angry mob to stop the ambassador from laying flowers in the cemetery. When people are angry and they form a mob, then that's what we call angry mob. What's your problem?



Now, let's not get too emotional here. Neither my Russophilia (which I never denied but which was severely weakened by this nonsensical war and numerous Russian war crimes) nor my evident lack of deep romantic love for a certain segment of Ukrainian society (which I like to tenderly call banderopithecs) are even remotely relevant here. There are laws and international conventions that we - as a Latin civilisation country - have to follow. Dura lex sed lex and all that.

News / Hołownia - a rising star in Polish politics? [94]


You can't know this. That's the whole point in being a secret agent. :)


He does it quite well himself without needing any help from me in this matter.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


My solution is simple: the police should have dispersed the mob and make it possible for the embassy delegation to lay flowers. As I said, either we are hosts in our own country or we allow angry Ukrainian mob to run things.

There would have been no such problem if we had followed the example of Lithuania and had broken the relations with Russia, but as long as the official relations are maintained we have to follow the law and international conventions.


No, but we have been providing substantial help for Ukrainian war effort, which could easily be interpreted as a hostile act and "spontaneous protests" staged to make it impossible for our delegation to visit Katyń last month. No such thing happened.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


What? Pawian, you are getting old and demented - when have I ever proved anything on this board??? Don't be ridiculous. :)


It's not about proportions really but about this pesky little feeling that we didn't do our duty as hosts towards our guests because other guests decided that they don't like it. As a host in my own country I feel a bit uneasy about it. Oh, well...


The right of Russian embassy to honour their war cemetery was denied, with stark violation to both the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and Ustawa o grobach i cmentarzach wojennych - that's my problem. We are either a lawful country and hosts in our own land or we allow angry Ukrainian mob to run things. Tertium non datur.

*off to get some sleep* Good night.