polishmama
24 Dec 2010
Language / Spelling "aunt" in Polish [142]
Gotcha. That's my point, it's not polish "babushka"... :)
Gotcha. That's my point, it's not polish "babushka"... :)
polishmama
23 Dec 2010
Language / Spelling "aunt" in Polish [142]
I'm not really sure what you are saying here. I really don't understand your statements, I'm thinking you were being sarcastic, but it's a funny thing about the written word, sarcasm tends to get lost.
To be clear, I have met Polish women, as in from Poland, with accents, who married men in other countries who have been called "Babushka" right in front of me. Which is weird. And I'm not sure what that has to do with Ukrainians or Jews in your statements?
And I've met many Jews in my travels and work dealing with foreign embassies and export and never felt any hatred from them towards myself or other Poles. Idk...
I wonder if that explains the hartred of Jews towards Poles. They got submitted to a little Ruthenian cruelty, like Poles in Wolhynia who ended in water wells head down...
I'm not really sure what you are saying here. I really don't understand your statements, I'm thinking you were being sarcastic, but it's a funny thing about the written word, sarcasm tends to get lost.
To be clear, I have met Polish women, as in from Poland, with accents, who married men in other countries who have been called "Babushka" right in front of me. Which is weird. And I'm not sure what that has to do with Ukrainians or Jews in your statements?
And I've met many Jews in my travels and work dealing with foreign embassies and export and never felt any hatred from them towards myself or other Poles. Idk...
polishmama
20 Dec 2010
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]
Trust me, this board is NOT an example of modern day Poland.
SHOK
poltran.com/odp.php4?q=1&direction=2&word=BUSIA
en.bab.la/dictionary/polish-english/busia
Margaret, I assume you are from Poland, as I am, but you and I must be secretly Ukrainians who's people 100 years ago pretended to be Polish (because people like to change their family culture and turn their backs on their way of life for centuries in order to take over a country, I am sure Ukrainians would love to hear that, that they secretly envied the Poles so much that they did that, sure) and we just don't know as much as people who's family left Poland (supposedly Poland) 100 years ago.
I need to know the source of this "history" as well.
And you know, the only person in my very very large family (on both sides) who ever says Grandmother in Polish was my living grandmother, none of my cousins, cousins cousins, uncles, great uncles, etc. ever used that word or had this very same discussion with me about why Americans call it Busia.
You are basically using racial slurs, calling me NOT Polish, saying you know more about a country and culture that you have never been to than I do. Wouldn't you get offended if an Italian guy who has lived in Italy all his life who's one greatgrandmother came from the US, or whatever other country your family is also from, and said they knew more about the US or whatever than you? AND called you some derogatory name about being American, like Mutt, or something? You would get offended too.
I researched it, for one, to reclaim my Polish passport, 4 generations back. I don't say one family member in my family is Polish, I'm saying they all are. Again, over a hundred members, and I count also the in-laws who are not even related to me. You can't claim your polish passport unless you have Polish Blood, not someone living there who's related to you. It's not like getting a US passport. If I was, say, Greek, lived in Poland, left to some other country, had a kid, I couldn't get them a Polish Passport. Because they wouldn't have Polish Blood.
No, but like I said, I have 5 FIVE from the 70's to today, are they ALL wrong?
I love how MY Polish heritage is questionable, but your's from 4 generations back in the US (when I have met many people here who call themselves 100% Polish although one or even grandparents was Slovak or Hungarian or Ukrainian or whatever, not to say they all are, I'm just saying they all aren't) is written in gold, no doubts at all.
Okie dokie, now, please share your history lesson...
If this board is any example of modern day Poland
Trust me, this board is NOT an example of modern day Poland.
/szukaj/busia
SHOK
poltran.com/odp.php4?q=1&direction=2&word=BUSIA
en.bab.la/dictionary/polish-english/busia
Margaret, I assume you are from Poland, as I am, but you and I must be secretly Ukrainians who's people 100 years ago pretended to be Polish (because people like to change their family culture and turn their backs on their way of life for centuries in order to take over a country, I am sure Ukrainians would love to hear that, that they secretly envied the Poles so much that they did that, sure) and we just don't know as much as people who's family left Poland (supposedly Poland) 100 years ago.
I need to know the source of this "history" as well.
And you know, the only person in my very very large family (on both sides) who ever says Grandmother in Polish was my living grandmother, none of my cousins, cousins cousins, uncles, great uncles, etc. ever used that word or had this very same discussion with me about why Americans call it Busia.
I honestly don't mean to offend you and I have no idea what you are getting so gagged up about.
You are basically using racial slurs, calling me NOT Polish, saying you know more about a country and culture that you have never been to than I do. Wouldn't you get offended if an Italian guy who has lived in Italy all his life who's one greatgrandmother came from the US, or whatever other country your family is also from, and said they knew more about the US or whatever than you? AND called you some derogatory name about being American, like Mutt, or something? You would get offended too.
she's of 100% Polish descent just because she lives in Poland?
I researched it, for one, to reclaim my Polish passport, 4 generations back. I don't say one family member in my family is Polish, I'm saying they all are. Again, over a hundred members, and I count also the in-laws who are not even related to me. You can't claim your polish passport unless you have Polish Blood, not someone living there who's related to you. It's not like getting a US passport. If I was, say, Greek, lived in Poland, left to some other country, had a kid, I couldn't get them a Polish Passport. Because they wouldn't have Polish Blood.
dictionaries are not always perfectly correct
No, but like I said, I have 5 FIVE from the 70's to today, are they ALL wrong?
what makes you so sure she's of 100% Polish descent
I love how MY Polish heritage is questionable, but your's from 4 generations back in the US (when I have met many people here who call themselves 100% Polish although one or even grandparents was Slovak or Hungarian or Ukrainian or whatever, not to say they all are, I'm just saying they all aren't) is written in gold, no doubts at all.
Okie dokie, now, please share your history lesson...
polishmama
20 Dec 2010
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]
No no, I won't argue, you are right. Sorry, I'll call my grandmother in poland right now and call her Busia bc I've been wrong all these years... I'll be sure to let all my family over there (over 100 members) know that we are all wrong... Didn't wake on the wrong side, btw, just letting you win this discussion.
No no, I won't argue, you are right. Sorry, I'll call my grandmother in poland right now and call her Busia bc I've been wrong all these years... I'll be sure to let all my family over there (over 100 members) know that we are all wrong... Didn't wake on the wrong side, btw, just letting you win this discussion.
polishmama
20 Dec 2010
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]
You are right, Cheehaw, you know better polish than we do...
You are right, Cheehaw, you know better polish than we do...
polishmama
20 Dec 2010
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]
Interesting... Baltimore is a city where I've noticed the older 2-4th generation Poles used the words Busia and Dziadzi or Jaja...
Interesting... Baltimore is a city where I've noticed the older 2-4th generation Poles used the words Busia and Dziadzi or Jaja...
polishmama
20 Dec 2010
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]
Des Essientes
Do you know if they always lived there in terms of the family once they left Poland, or did they at some point as a family live anywhere else, either in the US or abroad, prior to settling in those areas? I'm really curious about this.
CP is not my friend, he is a person on this forum. He is also not interested in my opinion or any others who are offended by that racial slur. The moderator had to clear a thread because he made that slur and it was explained why it was considered offensive.
Go to an African-American function, say the "n" word, and see what happens. They are not insecure, it is merely an offensive word. Everyone knows that. P****** is also offensive, in the same exact way, yet many don't think it is bc Polish Americans use it. Well, Poles straight from Poland are offended by it. I don't understand why when someone says "Hey, that offends me, it's a racial slur" the person saying it gets offended, as if they were addressed with a racial slur or something themselves. It's a racial slur, it's offensive, you don't say it. End point.
Des Essientes
Do you know if they always lived there in terms of the family once they left Poland, or did they at some point as a family live anywhere else, either in the US or abroad, prior to settling in those areas? I'm really curious about this.
our friend Chicago_Pollack
CP is not my friend, he is a person on this forum. He is also not interested in my opinion or any others who are offended by that racial slur. The moderator had to clear a thread because he made that slur and it was explained why it was considered offensive.
maybe you are just insecure or something.
Go to an African-American function, say the "n" word, and see what happens. They are not insecure, it is merely an offensive word. Everyone knows that. P****** is also offensive, in the same exact way, yet many don't think it is bc Polish Americans use it. Well, Poles straight from Poland are offended by it. I don't understand why when someone says "Hey, that offends me, it's a racial slur" the person saying it gets offended, as if they were addressed with a racial slur or something themselves. It's a racial slur, it's offensive, you don't say it. End point.
polishmama
20 Dec 2010
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]
That's nice, how you use it and how you view yourself, but the word you are using is a racial slur and offensive to those of us who are Polish. It's as bad as the n***** word. Doesn't matter how you use it, it's still a racial slur.
I'm not going to argue what you were told by who, but as a person born in Poland, just like the others who either are or were born in Poland, it's Babcia. I have no idea why in your neck of the woods the Polish descendants (bc they probably aren't 1st gen Polish, I'm going to assume) say that word is Ukrainian, and the pseudo-Russian word is Polish...
Idk, but I'm currently looking for a study in lingustic history of the American word Busia, I'll post it when I find it.
actually I use the word pollack quite lovingly, I am one
That's nice, how you use it and how you view yourself, but the word you are using is a racial slur and offensive to those of us who are Polish. It's as bad as the n***** word. Doesn't matter how you use it, it's still a racial slur.
if you don't believe me.
I'm not going to argue what you were told by who, but as a person born in Poland, just like the others who either are or were born in Poland, it's Babcia. I have no idea why in your neck of the woods the Polish descendants (bc they probably aren't 1st gen Polish, I'm going to assume) say that word is Ukrainian, and the pseudo-Russian word is Polish...
Idk, but I'm currently looking for a study in lingustic history of the American word Busia, I'll post it when I find it.
polishmama
20 Dec 2010
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]
Well, with the racial slur used there, I'm going to assume you mean they are stupid and uneducated Polish people.
I have a question, to those who use Busia, are you all in the east coast, or Chicago or another specific place? I wonder if it is a particular area of the US that uses it more than others. In MD, I know the Polish Americans who lived in a particular section of the city once nicknamed "Little Poland" called it that.
It's interesting. There is a huge cultural gap between the Polish American and Poles coming to America. H-U-G-E...
the old pollacks frowned upon it's use
Well, with the racial slur used there, I'm going to assume you mean they are stupid and uneducated Polish people.
I have a question, to those who use Busia, are you all in the east coast, or Chicago or another specific place? I wonder if it is a particular area of the US that uses it more than others. In MD, I know the Polish Americans who lived in a particular section of the city once nicknamed "Little Poland" called it that.
It's interesting. There is a huge cultural gap between the Polish American and Poles coming to America. H-U-G-E...
polishmama
20 Dec 2010
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]
So, I think all the people who speak Polish here are saying, it's Babcia. It doesn't matter what you think it is, what you grew up calling your grandmother as a third generation Pole. It's nice you try, but it's Babcia.
Btw, I have also 5 Polish-English Dictionaries here ranging from the 70's to today for my husband, (some printed in Poland under Communism, some after, some from the US now and some from the US in the 70's, etc.) and nowhere is there Busia, or other varieties...
And if you go to a website that translates Polish and English, like poltran.com or babylon, etc. Busia does not show up. Babcia does... Hmmm, since they are done by Polish speakers, I think it's.... Babcia.
So, I think all the people who speak Polish here are saying, it's Babcia. It doesn't matter what you think it is, what you grew up calling your grandmother as a third generation Pole. It's nice you try, but it's Babcia.
Btw, I have also 5 Polish-English Dictionaries here ranging from the 70's to today for my husband, (some printed in Poland under Communism, some after, some from the US now and some from the US in the 70's, etc.) and nowhere is there Busia, or other varieties...
And if you go to a website that translates Polish and English, like poltran.com or babylon, etc. Busia does not show up. Babcia does... Hmmm, since they are done by Polish speakers, I think it's.... Babcia.
polishmama
20 Dec 2010
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]
Can I just comment that when someone is uneducated, they tend to only speak one language, the local dialect? Therefor, the only language they would speak would be their own, so if they are Polish, they would know the correct word for grandmother, as it would be the only word they know for it. So, they would be expected to use their own language correctly, as it is the only one they know and use...
I think part of the whole issue of why a Russian sounding word was also adopted into the pseudo-Polish used in the US, is that many Poles seemed to be ashamed (for who knows what reason) to act Polish, just as the Irish did and the Germans did and all other ethnic groups did when they came over in waves.
You just said they were "uneducated peasants!" How could they be expected to use their language correctly? They probably didn't even know the correct word for grandmother.
Can I just comment that when someone is uneducated, they tend to only speak one language, the local dialect? Therefor, the only language they would speak would be their own, so if they are Polish, they would know the correct word for grandmother, as it would be the only word they know for it. So, they would be expected to use their own language correctly, as it is the only one they know and use...
I think part of the whole issue of why a Russian sounding word was also adopted into the pseudo-Polish used in the US, is that many Poles seemed to be ashamed (for who knows what reason) to act Polish, just as the Irish did and the Germans did and all other ethnic groups did when they came over in waves.
polishmama
20 Dec 2010
USA, Canada / Polack/American Polonia/Plastic Pole "culture" [568]
At least she is trying, and not just walking around not knowing any and yet thinking very adamently that Busia and Jaja are how you say Grandma and Grandpa and that Poles only eat Purrogeez and Kehbosah (lol)...
I have to agree w Stallion, she as a person in the media could learn better Polish, though. Unless she froze up or mind-blanked bc she is in front of the camera. Idk...
At least she is trying, and not just walking around not knowing any and yet thinking very adamently that Busia and Jaja are how you say Grandma and Grandpa and that Poles only eat Purrogeez and Kehbosah (lol)...
I have to agree w Stallion, she as a person in the media could learn better Polish, though. Unless she froze up or mind-blanked bc she is in front of the camera. Idk...
polishmama
20 Dec 2010
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]
:) The blog post actually discusses which is the correct one 1. used by Poles 2. is in polish dictionary and also discusses the other American variations and why they are incorrect.
Yes, the correct one is Babcia.
I completely agree. It's great to keep your heritage alive, it's wonderful. But I do suggest that whatever someone's heritage is, they read about it in it's correct and current form and appreciate that when someone who is directly from there, they might know a little more. Just like a Parisian would know more about French culture than I, who's grandmother lived there for a couple of years, and I speak a bit of French and went once for the summer and I don't get upset about it.
Polishmama - a few corrections are in order.
:) The blog post actually discusses which is the correct one 1. used by Poles 2. is in polish dictionary and also discusses the other American variations and why they are incorrect.
Yes, the correct one is Babcia.
Endorsing "broken Polish" words is equivalent to a affirming a Polish version of Ebonics, a pretend Polish language.
I completely agree. It's great to keep your heritage alive, it's wonderful. But I do suggest that whatever someone's heritage is, they read about it in it's correct and current form and appreciate that when someone who is directly from there, they might know a little more. Just like a Parisian would know more about French culture than I, who's grandmother lived there for a couple of years, and I speak a bit of French and went once for the summer and I don't get upset about it.
polishmama
17 Dec 2010
Language / Spelling "aunt" in Polish [142]
They are actually Americanized forms...
polishmamaontheprairie.blogspot.com/2010/12/polish-grandmother-babcia-busia-buzia.html
Dziadzia and Busia are shorter forms, like grandpa and grandma.
They are actually Americanized forms...
polishmamaontheprairie.blogspot.com/2010/12/polish-grandmother-babcia-busia-buzia.html
polishmama
17 Dec 2010
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]
polishmamaontheprairie.blogspot.com/2010/12/polish-grandmother-babcia-busia-buzia.html
It's not a social class thing, it's a generational & American vs. Polish thing...
polishmamaontheprairie.blogspot.com/2010/12/polish-grandmother-babcia-busia-buzia.html
It's not a social class thing, it's a generational & American vs. Polish thing...
polishmama
14 Dec 2010
Life / The Polish Wedding - What is it Like in Poland? [338]
Every country and culture has some sort of ceremony in their weddings to show the woman has become a wife. In the US they throw their garter. Or do you think it's only the "villagers" there, too? Stop trying to turn helpful threads into negativity.
Every country and culture has some sort of ceremony in their weddings to show the woman has become a wife. In the US they throw their garter. Or do you think it's only the "villagers" there, too? Stop trying to turn helpful threads into negativity.
polishmama
14 Dec 2010
USA, Canada / Polack/American Polonia/Plastic Pole "culture" [568]
So then you are saying that American or the US, specifically, has no heritage... Or Sicily... Or England... Or Jamaica... Or... I could keep going. And I know my heritage and love it.
Why do you attempt to be so hurtful? It's wrong. I want to promote the Polonia here as part of my writing career yet I cannot direct people to this forum bc all the threads here seem to end up having at least one person who is hurtful in some way, either through ignorance or purpose, with racist, sexist, or other comments. It's such a waste of time here...
Thank you, that was very sweet of you....
the country has been a melting pot of nationalities and traditions for countless centuries
So then you are saying that American or the US, specifically, has no heritage... Or Sicily... Or England... Or Jamaica... Or... I could keep going. And I know my heritage and love it.
Why do you attempt to be so hurtful? It's wrong. I want to promote the Polonia here as part of my writing career yet I cannot direct people to this forum bc all the threads here seem to end up having at least one person who is hurtful in some way, either through ignorance or purpose, with racist, sexist, or other comments. It's such a waste of time here...
Girl, don't even think that. There is nothing stronger in this world than blood ties with your family and with your birth country.
Thank you, that was very sweet of you....
polishmama
14 Dec 2010
USA, Canada / Polack/American Polonia/Plastic Pole "culture" [568]
I have always felt that celebrating Nationalist pride is in a way celebrating your ancestors, honoring them, even those from centuries past. I don't see anything wrong with that. As long as you don't hurt or offend someone else, it does no harm. You can't know where you are going until you know where you came from.
I feel saddened to hear that some think that because I was taken from Poland as a young child that I am no longer polish. As if they are better than me because my parents wanted to protect me. That's not right, either. I celebrate my heritage and part of that celebration includes celebrating what I have in common with intelligent amazing people... And some very rude ignorant people who are just mean and hurtful.
Why all the animosity in this forum? If you all hate each other so much, why not go do something else more constructive? I joined to learn more and discuss what I know about my heritage...
That's because Nationalism is stupid. I mean, if you can't acknowledge we're all the same, stupid human beings, then you're just stupid.
I have always felt that celebrating Nationalist pride is in a way celebrating your ancestors, honoring them, even those from centuries past. I don't see anything wrong with that. As long as you don't hurt or offend someone else, it does no harm. You can't know where you are going until you know where you came from.
I feel saddened to hear that some think that because I was taken from Poland as a young child that I am no longer polish. As if they are better than me because my parents wanted to protect me. That's not right, either. I celebrate my heritage and part of that celebration includes celebrating what I have in common with intelligent amazing people... And some very rude ignorant people who are just mean and hurtful.
Why all the animosity in this forum? If you all hate each other so much, why not go do something else more constructive? I joined to learn more and discuss what I know about my heritage...
polishmama
10 Dec 2010
Life / The Polish Wedding - What is it Like in Poland? [338]
I am currently writing a blog and I just recently wrote about my experience going for the first time to a Polish wedding...
polishmamaontheprairie.blogspot.com/2010/12/once-upon-polish-wedding.html
If you enjoy reading it, feel free to check out my other posts, perhaps even spreading the word!
I am currently writing a blog and I just recently wrote about my experience going for the first time to a Polish wedding...
polishmamaontheprairie.blogspot.com/2010/12/once-upon-polish-wedding.html
If you enjoy reading it, feel free to check out my other posts, perhaps even spreading the word!