Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


You have never been in a brawl - moustaches fly everywhere :)


Cool :)


Not the jaw. Maybe, eyes, but the iris are more gayish in Polish, I would say.


Good one :), but that is a little misconception based on our infamous dummy. Regarding the names of the cities I would buy a new atlas, southern, unless you are not a Greek, but simply a guy from Pietukhovo in Russia.

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


It is the same in Ukraine. You will find different cuts and sizes. We are just, probably, taller on average and not so many men wear moustache as in Poland. Polish have rounder faces and wavy lips. Poles are more blonde on average and have less rounded lids' openning for eyes. Fuller cheeks. These are my personal observations.


One needs to be in right mind to understand this, Sasha :) I agree with nott on how can this be an insult? Most of the people are not Slavs.


You are excused, Torq. I don't hold grudges against kids :)


It didn't change :)

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


I am - watch your back, Torq :)

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


I started to enjoy women's breasts on my own, nobody taught me. I demanded food when I wanted it and the parents have better been there to give it to me, nice and good. I taught them how to be parents. Regarding schools - they gave me tools to navigate, but they didn't carve me out and I am not their product. You are a product when you replicate exactly what you have been made to do - a robot. I break the laws of the society now and then and I don't see the society as a norm of my behavious. Now, am I a product. Nope.

You worry too much about the opinion of others. It is not important. It is you at the end of theday. Not how you want to be looked at, unless you are shallow and vain. Do you care what I think about you? How I judge you? I doubt it. So, why bother with the society, which is just a conveniently organized group of people which in order to live in harmony more or less devises the rules for you to follow. If you do exactly as they ask - you are a product, indeed. Otherwise, we are more than that.

I am not here to present myself. If you want to make your opinion about me - do it, read what I say and come to the conclusions. Sokrates thought that I am the most intelligent guy in the world full of knowledge of immeasurable depths :) Torq thinks I am a Nazi who has killed his grandma and now I am after him. Whom to trust? Whose opinion is right? It is up to anyone. Since I am "anyone" I trust my opinion the most. Therefore, I don't care about the society's evaluations of my personality or any judgements.

If you look at the history of humanity, you will see that the reality was some fantasy that came to a lunatic who came to be the most skillful in implementing it and the herd followed him. The best reality is what you see inside yourself, in a dark room when you are alone. My reality is my opinion or anything I agree to through my logic. Otherwise, it is fantasy. Sometimes, I too follow fantasy.

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

You are clear, but I don't agree. I am not the product of the society. I might have incorporated some of its values, but I also built my own. One may argue that the way I think, behave, love etc. is a part of the societal influence upon me, but more than often I laugh at the society as it displays its faulty essence by MY standards. I fight not to care what others think about me. It is something to get rid of, for sure. But it shouldn't ever matter what others think about you, because being a part of the society I don't think about others as such.

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

I am just kidding, Eurola. I agree, we are all human and being dumb, smart or average is what everyone of us is in different periods of our life or at the same time in different or even the same circumstances.

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

But when you are talking in absolute terms, I am good, no matter who tries to perceive me or the rich world inside me. No one can challenge that without facing miserable defeat :)

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


Good point. In my regards, I am always good ;)


Don't even dare to talk about Slavs like that...

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

Neither than, not on - Slavs are average.

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


I agree, but Slavs are always in-between, neither good, nor evil.


I know. And all I am trying to say is that Slavs are not smarter on average.


No matter where you look, even in the space program: give Americans billions and they will blow the Milky Way. There is no intelligence as such, it is all financing.

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


Understandable. Morons of the world, unite! The Soviets were saying that they will put apple-trees on the moon. What a bunch of dumb-asses.


Give me a few dumb-asses and 120 million who would sacrifice their humane living on them for a decade or two and I will send our species out of our galaxy. I don't see where you draw the AVERAGE value from.


How tough is it to make a rocket that will be in a space for a few minutes. What an achievement! For money and lives they wasted they should have invested more knowledge into medicine and disease cures - this is an achievement, indeed. Other countries were investing money into various fields, while the retarded Union invested billions in a few scientists who sent a rocket into a space. If this is intelligence, ...

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


If you mean that to starve to death and make poor and scared 120 million people in order to put their earned living into a group of scientists who were afraid to end up in the concentration camps as well means that they are above average, then excuse me, you are right.


What cues?


Trust me, you would hate it too, but since I know the way they teach about the Soviet Union in the States, I fully understand your admiration, PP.

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


Ok, let me teach you a bit about Soviet Union, PP :)
The Soviet Union was not a nation.
It consisted of 15 republics, majority of which was not Slavic.
They sent more people into concentration camps than space.
If Soviet Union was technologically advanced, then either you have no idea what you are talking about or you just like to pull my leg

*takes his leg away from PlasticPole*


Sometimes, the roots are the burden; sometimes, they are an inspiration. In any case one has to scrutinize one's root to find out the past. Without determining one's origin and what it means for a given person, it is difficult to move in a world full of lost identities. For me it is not enough to belong to a species, I want to be more precise in knowing who I am. And I bet others would like that too. What about you, guesswho? Also, being a good guy and sometimes a bad guy I wonder: does it have to do with my Slavicity or it is just normal humanity? :)

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


I see some Ukrainian pieprz w tobie też, Ironside; welcome to the family :)


Quite frankly, me either. But basically I wanted to draw the comparison with nature where you see beautiful males vs unconspicuous and "boring" females. Usually, high differentiation occurs due to selection within a given species, but in Polish case it is the opposite way, but still it would indicate that they evolved as a unique group. It is not supported in any way and is not indicative of anything, but I just made a little hypothesis out of it :)


Interesting. But I think it is not far from what Poland has.


And with our own bellies, warmed up with Slavic "fuel" :)

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


I don't fully agree. There was strong sexual selection in Polish females, that's why they are so beautiful. Polish men are damn ugly bastards. This contrast proves that they evolved as a nation.


I don't see it racist. Slavs are not a race even. And I am just trying to figure out the whole Slavic movement in our heads. In regards to not liking some PF members, this is not true. If there was no controversy on PF I would create one, otherwise, I am out.


DNA might be destroyed. We have to carefully extract Slavic genes into alcohol, as far as I remember, ethanol is the best Slavic solvent out there :)

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]



Mentality as anything else is partially influenced by genes. Slavs have (though I am not really knowledgeable in that area) some common genetic background, unique to them. When I met someone of 3rd, 4th generation of let say Ukrainians abroad, they thought differently than I do (and I mean in general terms), were more resembling the culture they were brought in, but their physical features reminded me of what PennBoy said in post #16. You just know what are their roots. I am trying to figure this one out. What exactly we take into account when we correctly predict the origin.


Thanks, nott. Luckily, we use normal measuring system. We also usually die when we have above 44 degrees body temperature, British are more resilient and go over 100 and it is still considered OK ;)

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


Wow, I feel some excitement :) How thick is a British pencil? ;) I think British brought more into science than all Slavs combined did, though about resorcefulness and physical power on average, I wouldn't argue you, Ukrainian door handle arm :)

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


Interesting. I personally don't consider Russians Slavic, but it is a different topic. "We", probably, comes from having related mental construct, values, view on the world, behaviour of a survivor no matter what, similarity in liking Turkish sweaters :) and having women who beat the crap out of us with heavy kitchen pans. It is trans-national Slavic features I noticed and they are just a few.


Yes, I so much agree. And felt the same way.

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

Prague Spring in 1968?

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


Once I happened to stumble on a Macedonian news channel and to my big suprise I understood about 50% of what they were talking about - amazing!


Again: not a concrete explanation. What are there unique in how Slavs look, think and live as a social group?

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


There should be some negative and critical about Slavs even in Slavs' thinking about themselves. We are not that fluffy and yummy all the time :)


Ok, what were the most pronounced ones, besides the invention of a wheel? ;) I agree that Slavs are humans too, but what makes them unique, likeable and dispisable, funny and serious, talented or not that much capable?

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


I have never doubted you, Crow. You are so laconic, but that's fine: sometimes admiration with Slavs cannot be fully expresses in words :)

Life / Boys acting and dressing feminine, girls acting and dressing masculine - transgender teens in Poland [272]


Nicely said. But putting on not what you are "supposed" to wear is part of endocrinological influence too. These are just different degrees of self-awareness or expression. Fashion is not exactly some artificial facade we put on without thinking or without some physiological change. Even Adam's fig-leaf tells us something about his inner hormonal state. Do you think transgender, cross-dressing and fashion as such have common root or are they completely separate entities, not to mix together?

Regarding the identification of the words and their specifics I agree.

Life / Boys acting and dressing feminine, girls acting and dressing masculine - transgender teens in Poland [272]


Who was responsible for the decrease in the first place? Look at the history of clothing and compare let's say what Greek women and men wore - togas and stuff :), hardly distinguishable; then in the Western Europe at the Renaissance period, particularly, differenses were enormous both in rich and poor layers of the society. But then after the wars in the 20th century the movement (often simply in our heads) to equalize the rights of men and women which started much, much earlier slowly became naturally the differences in dresses between the two sexes. We are completing the circle. It is nothing new. Besides the accomodation for slight difference in musculature, hip-size or genital specifics there is no reason to set limits on how feminine the guys can be or how masculine the girls should dress. I have no idea in clothing and its history, but I think one can trace the change in any country out there and see that the code is nothing but an invention.

Myself, I am quite conservative in what I wear, but I enjoy seeing people being free in wearing whatever they like and feeling great about it.

History / Tuchola in Poland - roots of Katyn? [220]


You may give me a lesson of the Communist ideology of a state which you mentioned in previous posts:


This is exactly what I mean. How shallow is your understanding of a state! You are willing to live like an ostrich all your life and wait for what others, or as for many Russians "tzar' batiushka", will tell you. It is not how overwhelming majority of the world wants to live. If you don't believe me, look around. Besides Cuba and North Korea (and people there are starving!) there is no one left. Even Chinese government would find your Leninism-Marxism trifle ridiculous. Both scumheads had no knowledge of economics or state-building and brought "sranaya intelligencyja" (I meant your type) to power for 70 years.


This is what I understand is the communism. And I am right. It is when "sranaya svora sobak" tells the rest how to breathe. FU.

History / Tuchola in Poland - roots of Katyn? [220]


Damn, it is a long, long way to get some decent reforms. I bet billioners on the top will be able to "discern what is wrong specifically" ;) I agree with Sasha here - "srannaja intelligencia" is more people of your caliber who got a cozy job sucking to some bureaucratic lackey and don't giving a sh*t of what is happening to the rest 90% of the population. I hope Russia will have some revolution some day which will bring democracy to its people. I have the same hope towards my coutry too.


Name me one country in Europe where there is no opportunity to become a scientist, an artist or a poet. Soviet Union sent Ukrainian artists and poets to Siberia, many of them were tortured and killed in prisons. Scientists were advanced only in the fields of rocket-building while medicine was on the level which makes one cry even to recall. Many people who graduated in the Soviet Union had no perspectives with their knowledge in the outside world because it was not competitive. That limited knowledge was worth something in the dump-hole which was called Soviet Union, but nowhere else.

History / Tuchola in Poland - roots of Katyn? [220]


You are one of them. And since even after 20 years you are still dumb enough to profess the following:


What is an idea without life? I can put so many soap-bubbles in your arseanal that you can't imagine, but am I then the most civilized person if the next thing I do is slit your throat? If you call a civilization a system of terror, depravity, hunger, rule by bastards and sociopaths which existed barely 73 years and managed to murder over 100 million people just of its own will, which haven't achieved anything but produce morons like you, which in 1980s was so bankrupt in spite of stealing billions of dollars in property confiscated, salaries never paid, standards of life on the level of some resources-deprived desert country, system which invented work-days where people worked just for a signature on a piece of toilet paper which could later be used to wipe your soapy ar*e. This is a civilization? Empire which after stealing billions from people and producing nothing but rockets had people waiting for hours in line to get a piece of bread? But again the worst it could do was to artificially select idiots like you who are brainwashed (I assume you had some before, though I doubt it) to the point that even after reading the facts not available in your "civilized" Soviet Union, they keep on salivating their baseless communistic axioms.

News / Sikorski doctrine - Eastern Europe under threat. Poland's foreign policy. [203]

Thanks, MW. Great post. You are absolutely right - it is an opportunity to express one's opinion no matter how wrong it may be, see sometimes completely opposite view on what you think, debate, discuss etc. that attracts to the internet forums people from everywhere. It is a place to learn. Talk to you soon, MW. It is always a pleasure.


I am becoming a little chatterbox; I like my thoughts thought out a little bit further than that.


If we stop having viewpoints on issues we know even little about and the most important discuss them, we will stop moving forward. Viewpoints is a starting point to get to know something better, AK.


Exactly.


I don't think this is the right approach, AK. In previous elections I voted for a guy who got 5% support in elections. I don't feel being ignorant that overwhelming majority of my country doesn't think as I do. I don't care for the results of the elections in the sense of a race track. You vote for someone who reflects the most the way you see your city, state or country, not for the winner necessarily.


Yep.


As Bismarck said: No speeches or majority rule will answer big questions of the time, but iron and blood. I think humanity is at the stage of development where tyranny and democracy mix in different proportions to create states. And depending on the dose of each in that mixture, we see some states as civilized and other barbaric.


Thanks, BB. Great discussion and Happy Holidays and New Year to you too. I'll be BACK :)

Thanks everyone. Happy New Year! My best wishes! Bye

News / Sikorski doctrine - Eastern Europe under threat. Poland's foreign policy. [203]


I agree, BB. I was malinformed on EU-Iran and Ukraine-Iran relations apparently. Ukraine signed an agreement to sell 50 new AN-148 planes and licensed assembly plants formation in Iran this year. My apologies.


I didn't. It is, probably, end of the year frustration that makes me play a devil's advocate.


Agree.


You know, AK, I frankly don't know. I have to take a long break from PF, relax, read more and learn to keep my mouth shut on issues I clearly have no idea about :)