History / How much Poles trust to France? [130]

@Alien
Nope

Just «Deutsch it» Deutschexit» doesn't sound as good

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]

@Bratwurst Boy
Unless it's disinformation to keep it secret. So far the Ukrainian side has been very dismissive of PiS and see it only as U.S.A's lapdog (similar viewpoint Russia has of Poland) which would infuriate any Pole regardless of his political orientation.

I hope I am wrong but, Ukraine does not seem to think of Poland as a ally. Which is a big ungrateful lie, just as accusing Poland of being Russia's ally in the UN! Untolerable!

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


They also said we will be best buddies and allies, then when war is over we will be back to being competitors. They see not only Poland as a rival but, better then Poland too! They do not lack ambition but, good planning, good judgement and diplomacy with Poland! I just see more reasons every day to cut off Ukraine completely. They are more of a threat then Belarus can ever become even after Lukashenko's shenanigans.

Ukraine is a profiteer like always, it was such with the Cossacks. Leaving traders unguarded then pillaging the pillagers and keeping the loot. Ungrateful opportunists. They spilled too much milk basically! Refuse to clean it up and bracingly suggest Poland ought to do it. The nerve!

@Bratwurst Boy
Basically yes, it would fuel Russian military industrial complex unfortunately. It would give Germany a cheap gas supply again (and Poland if there is a political will to it)

But, if Russians are willing to share drone technology while Ukraine wants not to share and have a rivalry attitude. Then they ask for what they accused Poland from the start! Serves them bloody right

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


Some people think nothing is sacred and everyone should be able to laugh about everything and that they don't pay for it... -.-

I saw in Polsat today (via YouTube) a certain person from Strategy&Future (they all should be hired advisors for Polish governments and have full confidentiality protection and not be tracked by media and have consultations with Polish politicians with all parties regarding Poland's strategic future)

Main problem seem to be their leader is either a anarchist or democrat that would rather that the public (and foreign agents knew about what they share in media)

With regard to what was said, information is that drones used in Ukraine by both Ukraine and Russia have a life dependency of 2 months and are used in the millions.

It would require Poland to step up drone infrastructure and production. If Ukraine refuses to share information about drone technology cause it's see Poland as inferior then Ukraine, what other choice does Poland have then sign a deal with Russia?

Genealogy / Origins of Polish Genetics [17]


You mean like Saxons? Bavarians? Franks? Allemani? Goths? No need to push you'r own narration on other countries where it doesn't belong just cause of some «Germania map» from Roman cartography

History / How much Poles trust to France? [130]

@Alien
#Deutschit

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Ukraine? [44]


It has it's practical use, the power in Poland lies in the streets of Poland and the will of it's people that no politician can bend to his own will. (Number one mistake foreign politicians regarding Poland make)

So when Ukrainian leadership and politicians clearly snub and behave badly towards Polish politicians like they did. It shows their true colours that the public notices and shifts accordingly leading to a policy change that comes as a surprise.

After all, the two most influential parties in Poland both originate from the same single labour union.

News / Poland to introduce border controls with Germany and Lithuania [101]


Which plays in to PiS hand politically, Germany's closest allies (KO, are politically against expansion of the police state and it's influence on the public)

PiS is the main party to propose strengthening border controls and the role of the Polish state, which will come at odds with German businesses!

A German government aiming at working for the safety and security of it's own citizens with a unpopular choice of supporting more conservative forces and the Pro-U.S.A faction in Poland. Will give a chance to improve relations with U.S.A while gaining support or at least not radicalising it's own right wingers in Germany. It would gain a gigantic media backlash and send shockwaves across German businesses however.

While a German business focused government would work closely with Donald Tusk and sabotage state projects in Poland that could compete with German businesses.

Donald Tusk also is a yes man towards German businesses. Not much will change unless German government changes policy or a new government emerges in Poland

News / Poland to introduce border controls with Germany and Lithuania [101]


What did I tell German posters on this very forum?! It's undermining the Polish state! Now there are vigilantes!!!

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Ukraine? [44]


Sure

-For
1. the fall of Ukraine means that Poland will become the next "bumper" of the West to stop the invading Russians (completely agree)

2. the fall of Ukraine, coupled with American withdrawal from Europe, will create a very difficult geostrategic position
for Poland. Only under certain circumstances (if Germany and France will strong enough and Russia won't accept a Polish influenced Europe. Then lack of America would be a security risk. If U.S.A backs out of Ukraine to save money but, instead chooses to heavily invest in to Poland while having a secret agreement with Russia regarding U.S/Russia influence in Slavic world it would be advantages for Poland that America backs out of Ukraine)

3. a strong bilateral alliance could serve as the economic spine of the Three Seas (Międzymorze) Initiative, making
the entire Central Europe more self-reliant and globally competitive. This can only happen with a weakened Europe as Ukraine jumps at first possible opportunity to throw and cast away Polish relations or Russian relations if German or other relations can be forged.

4. Poland has been the shield of Europe for a long time, taking the brunt of conflicts and with that deaths with regards to Swedish, Turkish or Russian Imperialism throughout history.

Having Ukraine taking over that role to build up it's sovereignty will give room and space for both Germany and Poland to build up industrially and economically.

5. With a sovereign Ukraine and in alliance with Poland, Ukrainian citizens will favour working economically in Poland over Russia for the next decades.

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up similar to the American Revolution, Britain being too much focused on other fronts. Pulling back areas nowadays known as Canada and just bury the hatchet and work out a deal that would turn profitable for Britain anyway.

Russia could do something similar, so far it looks more like the scenario of French Algeria or French Vietnam until the costs hit a number Russia won't be able to sustain or bluff itself out of.

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


Most certainly yes, a lot of Poles of high stature and less betted on Russia for a myriad of reasons. It's own defeat in ww1 were a disappointment for many (especially those of pro-Slavic leanings). The west didn't conclude as such since Lenin took over shortly and the Soviet Union was seen as hope of the workers worldwide. Yet the Soviet Union was seen as a caricature of what Russia had been and could never come back to the world stage on it's own.

Situation changed back and forth, yet very few saw the Soviet Union as a ideal, or a power to strive after or be inspired by. (In comparison to many Poles being inspired by the greatness of Tsarist Russia)

Many were depressed and saw no way out of the iron curtain until 1980's.

The west in general didn't get to be as disappointed or losing faith in Russia as a co-partner and a stable state in a region of instability until 1956 (Hungarian revolt) 1968 (Czechoslovak invasion), invasion of Afganistan. Dissolution of the Soviet Union, apparent passivity towards dissolution of Yugoslavia, conflict with Chechens, Georgians, Crimea then finally the nail in the coffin. Invasion of Ukraine.

Before invasion of Ukraine there were still British Moscow correspondents on Polish-Belarus border painting a dark situation about the migrants trying to cross the border. It all changed after that, people had enough of Russian told stories, ears were shut and hate spread.

Off-Topic / USA News and Poland - part 16 [1071]


You could start by burning books, raise arms up high, dress in non-regulation uniforms and scream about hailing sails.

Maybe the seagulls will join in on it

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


Where ever a outpost or area of significance for the U.S.A (strategic minerals, factory or anything of importance is too dangerous to fall in to the wrong hands) has a fortified position that cannot be bombed or nuked due to it's significance (politically, diplomatically or whatnot)

Then tanks would be used to aid and protect advancing troops, while precise artillery would give cover and suppressive fire (similar to a machine gun, making it too dangerous to fire back) and can also potentially provide smoke cover. Especially in areas with heavily defended Anti-Air systems.

Not to mention that U.S.A is still upholding combined arms military doctrine that requires all sorts of equipment in co-operation with each other.

If U.S.A is innovative enough and learns it's lessons from Ukraine war, it will be switched out with more human wave tactics, just with the use of drones not human soldiers.

A massive wave of materially disposable drones, aided by precise aiming tanks, artillery and air cover that hits the most valueable targets. Creates a opening to advance further in. Making a defensive line completely obsolete until weapons or tactics countering massive drone waves obsolete

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


It's only a symptom of western influence, just as using English linguo talking points.

Just as a person in PRL could be talking about milk bars or chained glasses. Nowadays Poles might talk about race, aliens or femboys.

Takes a presence in Poland, but not cause of Poland itself per, say but, of Poland in NATO, EU etc.

Might as well imagine Russians inventing busses with redistribution of seats for whites and non whites if influenced enough by the west.

Off-Topic / What is a woman? [702]


Indeed, very much indeed. You shouldn't waste time writing to imbeciles :)

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


Forces of evil have been on the march in the shadows, and conclusion is pessimism?

Poland needs to solidify it's reputation among German public, Dutch public, French public and Slav public in various countries.

Increase it's defence industry for a robotic army with human drone controllers, robotic engineers and human labour within agriculture with high quality foods and vital control over amounts of poison in the food sector.

All traditions, tech, know how and contacts will and can be built similar to know Jewish experts (goldsmiths, jewelcrafting etc arrived in Poland during Casimir the Great)

Gigantic opportunity for Poland not only within low skill jobs, but reshaping Poland as a bastion of hope for the hopeless in Europe.

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]

A video I think worth sharing in relation with the topic in this thread:

Off-Topic / What is a woman? [702]


If it has to be explained to you, there is something lacking in the brain department... Good enough explanation?

History / Did Poles living in Germany support Hitler's rise to power before World War II? [161]

@Bratwurst Boy
#148
Not fully sure but, deducting from the propaganda aimed at Polish soldiers in Monte Cassino (Why do you Poles even bother? Russians are coming)

I guess the thought of, or rather desperate hope of hate/fear of communism in Poland would be strong enough to recruit a few thousand at least. Forced work on building defences in Warsaw sparked the uprising after all. After that surrender of Cracow happened, not many Polish cities were seen as feasible to defend is my best guess.

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


Then you need to visit south western Turkey more closely to Greece, there people are staunchly anti-Erdogan and portray pictures of Atatürk when they want to protest against Erdogan.

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


What a grim concept


Germany sits on it's arse drinks beer as long as it doesn't see a threat to it's beer drinking. The second it eyes economical troubles it goes mad. (No matter what extreme point or version it is)

Poland only needs to ensure that Germans can feel safe to drink beer, have the house they want and are given work. Wether it is in Germany, a land or Poland is fairly oblivious to them as long as that beer is guaranteed.

Germany just needs to not get into panic mode over Polish politics, otherwise they get a heart attack from all the short-lived drama.

Turkey is a ex-grand player dreaming of returning to it's past grandeur. British, French and American interests if weakened or withdrawn would be taken over by Turkey or Iran. No question about it.

That Syf is not some island in the pacific with nothing to do. I would never thing of Iran not being capable of doing something if motivated enough. Why the world tries to motivate them to do the worst possible is anyone's guess. Testing their capabilities? Calling out a bluff?

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


As of today yes, in the future? Not so sure

I am not expecting much of Denmark, San Marino, Italy, Croatia or Portugal in this day and age.

Germany, Turkey and Iran has a potential however over the span of next 200 years if powers like France, Russia and U.S.A waste their resources and are too stuck in their past, aimless and with too much civil unrest and internal strife. Then things can change

U.S.A went from a backwater 13 state colony to a gigantic industrial powerhouse at the lifespan of what? 100 years?

Imagine any motives state backed by it's population willing to change, improve and build a brighter future of it's country.

Countries like Germany can eye that now compared to 50 years ago, Turkey can eye that now compared to 200 years ago. Iran can eye that now compared to 200 years ago.

The deck is being is slowly changed for a different game with different set of rules and cards and therefore new players take the seat potentially.

In midst of this, Poland can't afford to be left behind, drawn in to a conflict with "Potop" like effects on it's economy

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


And the human anthem is kumbaya?


Now you probably understand Ironsides position a bit better. Poland doesn't have much to gain or hope within a west led or Russia led framework.

Poland needs to developed it's own framework similar to Turkey, Iran and Germany. Just has to avoid their mistakes, stay under the radar of the international media and slowly build up and take a larger role as neighbouring countries does not.

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


Speak for yourself, I am fairly certain that slavs originate in small numbers around areas of eastern Germania that the Romans described on their maps and areas inhabited by scythians and sarmatians near the Black Sea. Mixing together with Balts, grew larger in importance from a state of disunited villages to something bigger as neighbours became a larger threat and economy improved.

Sarmatians origins most likely originated from northern Persia, not Africa! Everything before that is part of a broader human condition that is quite irrelevant when it comes to human conflict.

Thinking that "we are all from Africa so just chill" is very naive, conflict of interests that started after that had more to do with limited resources in other locations then Africa.


Aye Central European

Poland, similar to Turkey and Germany are a mix of east and west. To describe any of them as east or west is simply a error done so for a simplification for the narrowminded Cold War era born people.

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]

In 33 minute of the eleventh episode in second series of four tankmen and a dog it's showed the message received to Polish people armed forces:

"Do generałów, oficerów, podoficerów i żołnierzy wojska Polskiego. Towarzysze broni chwalą odniesionych zwycięstw swoim potem i krwią, zdobyliście prawo gromienia berlińskiego ugrupowania nieprzyjaciela i uczestniczenia w szturmie na Berlin"

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


Great! (That you visited the museum)

Yeah, the destruction, theft, slave labour, child kidnapping and hunt for elites, closing universities etc. Add to that holocaust, torture, degradation, mistrust of any ethnicity that's not Polish enough cause of events in 1939.

Oh yeah, movie "Our fathers" also reflects the general sentiment too. Poles seen as antisemites.

Trade sure, it's a way to make up for the past. Anything more then that? I would be wary

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


It's cause they set themselves as different then the establishment and try to envision themselves as the only competent force in Poland. (Too much critisizing others for my taste, but it's the norm in Poland... In America too in political fighting)

If Poland has learned anything last 20 years is that America pushes in and out as it pleases internationally depending on political body and whims of it's population. If Poland falls out with the American public it will be coined and used with great pleasure by the likes of #Novi

That alone can be a great argument to atleast have still a embassy in Russia.

EU is not solidified with her outer borders and it's too uncertain how the issue of non-EU migrants abusing the Schengen treaty will affect relations with Germany, rest of EU and western states.

Poland needs a lifeline, Russia can be that lifeline. Just how many rubles will that lifeline cost?

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [1037]


The government earns more then it spends on the monarchy last time it was debated. Probably hasn't changed. They are funded for a reason, $180 million for a government is peanuts.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]


You are starting to see the patterns.

Also try to notice any member of the left being critical (or precisely not) of:
1. Jews
2. Homosexuals
3. Czechs
4. Poles
5. Russians
6. Gypsies

(Hint, they were prisoners by Nazi Germany in Death/concentration camps)

Some were defended more vigorously but, situation in world politics can change it. Like modern state of "Israel" switching sides in the 60's and Poland rebelling against the Soviet Union.

For many of the left, defending those minorities equalises to fighting Nazi's or Nazi like minded individuals. (Pawian also added women in general and if feminism is popular, it's also added to the mix)