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Turns out this infection issue in mines is not a Polish issue but a global one. Thousands of infections in Canada concerning the mines. This after Canadian Government determined them to be "essential" and not subject to shut downs. Looks a lot like things in Silesia. I am of the opinion that in the second round this is a dead heat at the moment, but that a fresh faced very well spoken, highly qualified Trzaskowski will pull out a victory. The question is, who has the plan to move Poland forward out of the pandemic. Anyone else tracking commercial real estate, and business sales? I have been for months, and the picture gets darker by the day throughout the entire country.

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@delphiandomine
I wonder how this plays in Silesia and Lower Silesia with PiS voters.
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@delphiandomine
I believed Clinton would beat Trump too. I dont think for one second the polls are accurate and PiS has really over played its hand with the public. No one wants tto go back to a dictatorship. Everyone likes a good economy and low taxes. Nobody like cronyism and that is the core of PiS. Still someone has yet to tell me what PiS has done in the last five years that is great for the country, not their agenda, but for the country.

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@amiga500
You think 500 plus is a GDP contribution? Do you actually understand that 500 plus is a liability and not an asset? A liability that is paid for by tax payers. A liability that even the wealthy take advantage of.

Cheating the government out of tax? Using the government built highways? Don't you mean paying taxes that fund 500 plus? Don't you mean paying tolls on roads as you use them? Don't you mean the EU funded highways? Get a grip on how you characterize people.

@jon357
Also keeping those who dont need 500 plus for their children in new Converse tennis shoes monthly.

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@amiga500
Only Poland did absolutely nothing for the citizens in this crisis. Nothing. Small business got nothing. That's why there are protests. I live here, I see it. I don't read about it or watch it on TV. Poland is not Australia or Canada who took great care of its citizens. Business operations have closed, to never come back.

People I know are selling the things they own for roughly 20% of their value because Poland was tied to consumerism, and the government did nothing to protect the consumer. Produce is going sky high in costs. Meat prices are rising. Inflation combined with unemployment brings what?

This is no small barrow some money from international banks problem. This is not a problem you can tax your way out of when people don't have money to spend and they aren't earning money to be taxed. This is a problem of ignoring the absolute truths that are right in front of people. PiS economic policy is the same democratic tax and spend policy that has undermined the United States. They can not tax enough to cover the spending, and now, look at the USA. A country divided in so many ways it is in a democratic crisis like it hasn't faced since the civil war.

But hey, Duda is easier to spell Trzaskowski, he does have that going for him. :-)

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@amiga500
LMAO I live in Poland now thanks. Clearly you cant tell the difference between sarcasm and real compliments. I never complemented the canal, its a waste of time and money.

Yanks and abject poverty? So young people having 4 children and not working at all and simply living off 500 plus is good? Proper healthcare? Poland? Been to a hospital lately? Try to get something done in Poland without private medical insurance lately? Yes, I didn't think so.

I am a free thinker. I didn't support Trump in the beginning, but I support how he is forcing the economy to re-open. Better to let some people die of the virus, than to let everyone starve to death from unemployment. The US is burning and rightfully so. Some places should burn. I have no sympathy for people who don't address the obvious issues in society. The people doing the burning are largely just animals black or white who are looking for a reason to really show who they are.

The United States is a democracy in trouble. In serious trouble. The Democracy of Poland is also in trouble. Personal agenda's in both countries place everything at risk. The LGBTQ, and the other alphabet soup "causes" need to not be politicized. That everyone wants them to be an issue is what creates the problem.

I support common sense. Regardless of party letters or name. Common sense says that Poland under PiS has become less of a democracy and more of a dictatorship. Common sense says PiS has zero financial acumen. Common sense says PiS has not provided a single answer as to how they plan to save the country from a Depression like the one when the Soviets left. Thats whats happening, whats the PiS plan? Whats the vision? More judges being fired? Maybe more days in the week where people cant go shopping? That has proven to be an absolutely brilliant economic impactor.

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@Crow
amiga500 clearly a PiS troll, and others are clearly Russian trolls.

While Duda and PiS may be good for your country they have crushed the economy in Poland, and have put it in debt needlessly in order to buy votes. There is no escaping the financial devastation already beginning. Shouldn't the Government of Poland be more concerned about its citizens than its agenda or the benefits it offers other countries?

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After some time on PF now, I really find it funny when trolls pop up who have no relation to the country simply to promote PiS or Russian propaganda depending on the news cycle.

@amiga500
There is zero security interest in this canal. It serves no purpose other than to fund more social welfare construction works employment. The residents don't want it, and the money could have been better spent on other projects or people in Poland.

The shear volume of money spent by PiS on social welfare programs and buying votes is shocking. From the billions given to TVP to 500 plus for every cow on a farm, the list goes on and on. The Crisis Shield money that never made it to small business? I wonder where that went. The story about how a woman sold masks to the government for a huge profit after she bought them publicly in Warsaw shows exactly how financially inept this administration is.

Maybe another raise in ZUS payments should be the PiS platform? Robbing Peter to pay Paul. When all this debt comes due, how will it be paid for? Someone needs to begin answering that question.

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@cms neuf
The idea of state stores was wildly successful in the past wasn't it? (sarcasm intended) This is just another attempt to "buy" votes of rural voters. This also tells me they feel it all slipping away and are grasping at straws.

@delphiandomine
While I agree the recent polls posted seem like BS, this is looking more and more like the Trump/Clinton election. Clinton was for sure going to win until she didn't because people were fed up with the status quo. PiS = status quo

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@amiga500
You mean antidemocratic like PiS trying to jam through a sham election with mail in ballots during a pandemic? Or like PiS trying to deny Polish citizens the ability to vote from abroad during a pandemic? Or antidemocratic like PiS refusing to declare a state of emergency that would have automatically postponed the election by constitutional rule? Those kind of antidemocratic things?

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@delphiandomine
Those polls do not accurately reflect Malopolskie in my opinion. The only real PiS support is in the small communities and having just come back from Nowy Sach I can say I saw a whole lot of signs for Holownia, and in a conversation with an ardent PiS family in the past, they are completely unhappy with how JK has played games with the pandemic and the election. Here in Krakow Duda doesnt stand a chance, opposition signs, posters, and advertising is going up all over. Not sure who these people are polling, but it isn't the people who are actively campaigning against PiS. I think some people are counting Catholics to vote PiS no matter what they do, and I think they are mistaken this time. Even conservative Catholics are tired of the "power grab" as one friends father said to me.

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@Lenka
Clearly a question that answering would help decide the fate of the Candidate. Maybe they will ask if he has ever eaten meat on Friday during Lent next? Indeed, TVP clearly worthy of three billion per year funding from PiS. Intelligent, rational reporting focused on the issues that really have an impact on the daily lives of its citizenry. Sounds like FOX and MSNBC two ideology based trash can reporting agencies.

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@mafketis
Sorry Maf, I was thinking Krynica zdroj in the south. They have a huge project on hold because the new city president stopped construction when he didnt agree with the prior administrations selling price to the developer. All permits pulled and construction on main street stopped. Havent been there since last summer, but I found it funny they would stop the project and try to force more money from the people who bought the property.

@amiga500
Of course the project is not being stopped, such a worthy investment to stave 100 km makes total sense instead of making agreements with Russia. Must keep the public works welfare program running. Maybe another 500 plus to people with cats in honor of JK?

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@delphiandomine
You mean the hotel/apartment building they have had on hold since over a year ago in the center of town? "White elephant"? If thats the case, I would like to know what was said. I have great connections there and know a lot about that project.

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I will take that wager

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@Ironside
The numbers do not support Duda have a 90% chance of winning. He is fighting for his life. The turnout today for the opposition candidate is impressive and covers a large age demographic. Many more over 40 voters than I anticipated. If this is the demographic that supports him, Duda will not win. People are smart and they see through the same old PiS B.S. This guy is very well spoken, would destroy Duda in a debate, and very smart, makes strong arguments for unity. PiS is divisive at best if not absolutely destructive. I would put money on the new kid if I could.

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@delphiandomine
I think its safe to assume that in the second round, Trzaskowski gets 70% of the votes from Holownia, KK, Bosak and others who cant beat Duda. I think thats probably an underestimation really. But for discussion sake, if thats the number, then the President of Warsaw is in a virtual dead heat with Duda already. While the oposition vote remains divided, there is no real choice other than not for Duda or for Duda. This brings us to a second round where voters gravitate to one side or the other.

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@delphiandomine
By that math another 2% loss and its all but over for him. With a month to go before the election, given the rate of decent now, I wouldnt be betting on PiS. Typically when a ship is sinking, people look for life rafts and deals are made. I can easily see deals being made with Trzaskowski already. He publicly said he would work with PiS if he wins and they present good legislation. This guy isnt an extremist politician. He has Warsaw operating pretty well. Someone has yet to explain to me what PiS has done other than give away other peoples money, raise taxes, raise ZUS, spend EU money, and give special treatment financially to family, friends and supportive press.

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According to these numbers:

Bosak: 6%
K-Kamysz: 5%
Biedroń: 4%

None of those three have a chance of winning. The match is quite simple. If all three though want Duda out, then they should simply get out now. Does Poland really want a repeat of Clinton/Saunders divided vote? That was simply the dumbest election season in USA history. a divided yet similar base is not wise. There are deals to be made. Are politicians in Poland simply not smart enough to make them? Or do they want to stay on TV for their own personal interests?

Duda was well above 50% in almost every poll just before Trzaskowski came out. Losing more than 10% in just a few weeks is getting pounded. Its why PiS is removing restrictions so quickly now. To try to get people feeling comfortable again. Its why the mines in Silesia were sent back to work while the virus rages through families there. Its why now they are pushing the June 28th election before the second quarter economic results come out in July. Those July numbers are going to show soul crushing unemployment and business closures.

Anyone walking the streets of their city and village is going to see empty storefronts now where there were small business just three months ago. Those operations wont come back in most cases, and it will take years for new business to replace them. This election will become less about LGBTQ or other alphabet soup issues and more about people and their ability to live as the days go on.

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WOW real brave to make statements like that. Blame for a worldwide virus? How about you take a remedial reading comprehension class. Spineless comment.

Everyone can blame the leadership for a damaged economy that did not have to be as damaged as it is. The virus is bad. Its a killer. It is not a global killer and threatening mankind like all the "experts" said could be.

Thinking PiS will win based on what could, or might happen, when clearly they are getting pounded in the polls and public opinion is wishful thinking. Its not just the economy either, its the judiciary, the treatment of small business owners, the perceived corruption at the core of the administration, the censorship, and all the other absolutely stupid economic policy they have come up with.

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I think people are over estimating and under estimating Poles. Over estimating PiS support, and under estimating the younger voters who want them out. Think about all the Poles that came home in the virus, they arent PiS supporters and they wont be leaving the country before the election. Think about all the Poles that could not go abroad and now cant go abroad because other countries will have an economic downturn. PiS has not shown stability. They look corrupt, and incompetent, maybe they are constantly corrupt and incompetent but that wont get them votes.

These Polls that are being taken, I have to question the demographics of respondents, and how many are being polled. I am reminded of GHW Bush/Clinton campaign. Bush was pooping the bed economically and Clinton had the world hypnotized with charm, intelligence and great public speaking ability. These three things and the young voters changed everything.

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Marowiecki is scrambling to get EU funds because the projected economic downturn expected to be reported for the second quarter is 11% for the EU. If PiS doesnt get some money flowing and that report comes out before the election, PiS may as well just stack packing their things.

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Anyone else wonder why PiS wants the vote so desperately on June 28th now? Two reasons....First they know they are losing ground quickly and its not looking good. Second and most important is that they have no chance in winning once the second quarter economic numbers start getting out to the public. Once those numbers are out its all over for Duda.

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@cms neuf
ZUS will continue to rise which will inhibit more growth and more hiring. Poland has got some serious fiscal problems coming and it is just the beginning. People have burnt through the little cash they had who may have been willing to take risk before the virus. Its not a good situation when banks are calling twice a day begging me to barrow money, sending emails with instant loans in 30 seconds for some pretty hefty amounts of cash. If banks are desperate to lend, then no one is barrowing, and no one is barrowing because they have no income, those that do have an income dont need to barrow. Its about to get real interesting over the next 30 days.

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@mafketis
Actually in USA small business got some good money to keep employees on working. Everyone I know got a loan that becomes a grant as long as you document your employees got paid.

@antheads2
Nothing for citizens. Talk about a 200 zloty monthly unemployment increase that didnt come that I am aware of. Only money to big business who kept employees on working, and most didnt keep them working.

A complete joke of a shield.

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Small business gets 5K zloty for staying open for 3 months during pandemic. It takes 32 days to get it after you apply. That's it. All the other "shield" money went to big corporations. Complete misplacement of assets.

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@delphiandomine
What is the sample size of these Polls? Where and how are they being taken? I am asking because I deal with a lot of people through work in many different age demographics around the country and I don't know a single person supporting PiS at this point. I know some who have in the past but they are not going to support them in this election.

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The later the elextion goes, the more economic damage becomes public, which is bad for Duda. Right, left, or center, when you start running out of money you start blaming the people in power who put you there.

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@mafketis
The Problem is the opposition has already publicly said they will not take away what has already been given to Polish people. While I already heard on person bring up Tusk in his past positions, I dont see that carrying much weight. The younger generation is very mobilized right now. JK is really not even liked by his own party, and I think people will turn on him just to get rid of him.

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Apple prices up 94% in Poland since Coronavirus. These kinds of numbers are just the beginning. Duda can't survive job loss and massive inflation at the same time. I don't think we will see a repeat of 2019. I haven't trusted poll numbers since Trump/Clinton and I really don't think they can be trusted here. A lot of "if's" in those equations.