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You will need a lot of patience then, because I won't play your nitpicking games. :)


We are all biased to some extent. If someone claims to be 100% objective, it is merely an extravagant pretension. A bit like claiming to be infallible.

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Nope. It was another article in "Gazeta Warszawska" but as a leftist you would reject that source right away, so I linked a source more acceptable to you (but basically also exposing Ukrainian lies).

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Anyway, you dislike me and this may cloud your judgement, so you might want to read what Witold Jurasz, a journalist of Onet (a German-owned portal) and a former diplomat during the first government of Donald Tusk (Jurasz was Poland's chargé d'affaires in Belarus back then), wrote about the Ukrainian prime minister's lies...

wiadomosci.onet.pl/opinie/jurasz-skandal-zbozowy-miedzy-polska-a-ukraina-to-skutek-niedojrzalosci-pis/0r1wder

... he's a former diplomat, so he's using a more diplomatic language but still he calls a lie a lie.

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Shmyhal made his statement very recently, a couple of days ago, when no blocking of Ukrainian grain was in place - on the contrary, the transit through Poland more than doubled since January, so your analogy fails.

He was lying in the vain hope that Poland would open our market to Ukrainian grain, to the huge detriment of our farming.


Too many question marks, too many emoticons. That indicates high level of emotion on your part as well.

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I was just curious about the intriguing inconsistency in your attitude towards Russia (as it's definitely connected to your allegry to criticism towards Ukraine).

And I really don't understand why you think I sound pissed off. I'm not.

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It might have been certain people (more probably than not connected with PiS) who decided to help Ukrainian oligarchs to make money (for proper remuneration, no doubt) but it is them who wanted (and still want, as we can see from their constant demands to open the Polish market) to sell their grain here.


Not that simple really. I just can't figure you out - how can you reconcile being a liberal leftist with your hatred of Russia? You must surely realise that the sources of your life philosophy lie in the French but also - or perhaps especially - in the October Revolution. Your entire attitude doesn't make sense. Why would a rabid leftist hate Russia so much? It is, after all, your spiritual fatherland. Oh, well... people are complicated I suppose.

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But you didn't say "a lie", you said "lies" (and nasty lies at that). See? I can do the nitpicking too.


Nobody else here claimed that it's worthless, some people even think that the thread is "interesting with much needed info", so it's only your obsession. :)

The reason you're angry is because I exposed the lies of Ukrainian prime minister and discussed the pure barbarism of not allowing the exhumation and proper burial of OUN-UPA victims for over 30 years now. You have an allergy for even the slightest criticism of Ukraine, hence your blind fury. Quite sad.


Yes, I will try to make 100% of my claims absolutely accurate instead of 95%, not to encounter your fury again. :)

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Calm down. So much hatred is not healthy, even on an internet board.

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Does the fragment you quoted sound to you like an expression of being surprised? Interesting.


Do you really think I will play your nitpicking game? Forget it.

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You're nitpicking again. *yaaaaaaawn*

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You started very well with telling Pawian to f*ck off, but then you went on to praise PiS. So, I found myself wholeheartedly agreeing with you and then disagreeing a couple of seconds later. Don't give me such a roller coaster at 11pm. :)

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The only thing I wrote that could be - with maximum of bad will - considered a lie was writing "never" instead of "never, apart from a couple of days in April". :) Where are all those nasty lies? 4 million of accepted Ukrainians? Maybe an exaggeration, hardly a lie. See? You are just a sad, vicious nitpicker. *yaaaaawn*


Yes, you are. :)

You're only picking on me because I'm younger, smarter and more handsome than you. You must learn to control your envy. :)

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It is you who react in a strange way to my posts, usually with vicious nitpicking. I don't recall anyone else picking on me in this way. Perhaps you have a problem with me but it's your problem not mine.


Oh, you read books - how nice! Too bad you understand little of what you read. :)


Hardly furious. More like annoyed and disgusted.

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Yes, I apologise - I should have written "never, apart from a couple of days in April". There :)


I don't accuse, I claim that they are lying about Poland "continuing to block Ukrainian exports to the EU".


Ukrainian prime minister Denys Shmyhal.

Or maybe you claim that he's telling the truth? :)

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I didn't forget. I simply ignored your request to do so. You are nitpicking and I always ignore boring nitpickers. :)


No, back then it was rather German that could be heard in the streets...

youtu.be/y6-eVOnAnBk

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Some sources estimate current Ukrainian population at 29 million...

obserwatorgospodarczy.pl/2023/06/25/dzietnosc-na-ukrainie-jest-katastrofalnie-niska/

... which means that about 12 million have left Ukraine (and hasn't come back) since the war began. If only 1.3 million are in Poland, where are the remaining 10.7 million?

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What an average PF reader imagines in his brilliant mind I can only guess.


Nihil novi sub sole. :)

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If you read my post closely, you will notice that I wrote that Poland "accepted 4 million Ukrainian refugees".


aa.com.tr/en/europe/over-9m-ukrainian-refugees-crossed-into-poland-since-war-began/2784911

... and the article is from January. I'd say that since the war began we have definitely accepted 4 million refugees. Half of them might or might not have come back to Ukraine, but the overall number of those whom we accepted (even if only temporarily) doesn't seem too exagerrated.

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Oh, right - so it must be true. They're never wrong. *rolls eyes*


Gdańsk has half a million of inhabitants (the ones with meldunek) and the Tricity metropolitan area has about 1.4 million. In Chinese terms it might be called a small city, but in Poland it is generally considered quite large. :)


Definitely not all of those who came/are coming get Pesels. When I lived in Ireland (2005-2008) there were throngs of Poles who never applied for the Irish PPS numbers and worked na czarno, and also many never got their registration of residence and just lived with their families or friends. I bet the same thing is happening with Ukrainians in Poland now.

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The number of border crossings can be misleading as well. Some people crossed the border multiple times since they came here, some without documents - especially early in the war - and I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Border Guards having a bit of burdel in their papers in the last 18 months. Can't blame them.

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So, for every three Ukrainian refugees two have already come back to Ukraine? I don't know where you are from exactly, Pawian, but in Gdańsk it seems like for every Ukrainian that was here a year ago three more came. I don't mind - most of them are lovely people (with obvious exceptions, just like with Polish emigrants in the West) - but I don't think they will be going home en masse any time soon. I meet quite a few on a daily basis and not only they have no intention of going back to Ukraine, they are bringing their close and not-so-close families here.

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Ukrainian ambassador in Poland - Wasyl Zwarycz - was even more impudent when on the anniversary of the genocide he said that he commemorates... wait for it... "all the II Rzeczpospolita citizens murdered during WW2 on the territories occupied by the III Reich".


And while you have hope, for another 30 years, the remaining survivors of Volhyn Genocide or even their children will not live to see their beloved ones properly buried.

Please, answer me the question I asked you in my previous post: how a civilised country can refuse the burial of the dead?.


I don't give a f*ck about their apology, as I said before. I want the bestially murdered civilians to be finally properly buried. That's all.

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Was it the AfD that built NS and NS2? Was it the AfD that ignored Polish warnings for all those years?

Don't panic, BB. If this AfD of yours are true German patriots, then we will find common interest and a way of agreement with them. Especially that in a couple of years we will have the strongest army in Europe, so that will help Germany and Poland to talk on a more equal, partnership terms.

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Very good point, Feniks! That's exactly what he's doing. Scandalous.


You have all my patience, BB. For the patience of Mr Kaczyński, however, I cannot vouch. :-/


Patriots will always find common tongue - as our personal example clearly shows. :) With those lefties, on the other hand, you just cannot reason.

*keeps fingers crossed for the European move to the right*

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Peoples are OK. Even my generation (let's call it the middle generation, shall we? ;)) doesn't have much problems with Germans as such. It's the different visions of Poland and Germany/EU of what the future of Europe should look like. We are more for tradition, independence, co-operation of free countries, protecting our soil and heritage, limiting immigration etc., Germany/EU are more about melting everything in Europe into a huge, gay, multi-kulti, neo-marxist USSR-bis. Totally different visions.

If the EU shifts more to the right and Poland more to the left, maybe we will meet again.

@Bobi

Yes, I know all that, and what comes to my mind again are the legendary words of Jaroslav Hašek.

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Well, we gave them 2% of our GDP worth of help (more than any country in the world), tons of military equipment, trains full of ammunition and fuel, took in their refugees - not to some bloody refugee camps but straight to our homes - gave Ukrainians (who are not even EU members) full social benefits, kindergeld, health services etc., just as if they were Poles, no difference, and they won't even let us bury our dead. Makes you think, doesn't it?

Those lies that their prime minister spreads about Poland are just a lovely icing on the cake.

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A mood change? Not yet. Poland is still willing to support Ukraine. Maybe not so enthusiastically, and maybe not to such a crazy extent as before, but still.

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Just telling it like it is, BB.

It's about money. Big money. Ukraine is not one bit less corrupt than Russia and their oligarchs are not one bit less greedy than their Russian counterparts. They don't give a flying f*ck about "starving Africa", "food shortage", "humanitarian crisis" or whatnot. All they care about is their profits and it's much cheaper to just sell the grain across the border in Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria and Hungary without the costly transport. The fact that Central European farmers will go bankrupt in the process is another thing Ukrainians don't give a toss about.

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Yes, I think a couple of glitches like that would make them rethink their attitude. How right was Jaroslav Hašek when, through the mouth of good soldier Švejk, he said: "bezczelne są te kurwy i zuchwałe".

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That is correct. Mr Shmyhal, however, spreads lies about Poland only, and doesn't even mention the other four countries.


Grain that was supposed to go to "hungry Africa", but it turned out that Ukrainian grain oligarchs decided to just sell it in Poland. Neither of the five countries has ever opposed the transit of the grain to other destinations (all those hungry people, all over the world, waiting for the grain - how could we oppose?).


Exactly. We want the export of Ukrainian grain to the EU (and beyond) to continue through Polish territory, and not "continue blocking the export". Considering that the amount of grain exported by Ukraine through Poland has more than doubled in recent months it is indeed impudent to lie about Poland continuing to block the exports.

Mr Shmyhal lies that Poland continues blocking the export of Ukrainian grain whilst - at the very same time when his words are flowing through his lying mouth - trains full of Ukrainian grain keep rolling through Poland.