History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Rabid leftist. It's a pity he won't see my closed Slovak and Turkish threads - he would gladly apologise for every point I mentioned.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

Ah, the short ban is over. How nice.


Check out the fragment of the article that starts with "As Polish sociologist Lech Nijakowski of Warsaw University explains" (...) and ends with "Spectacular torture, rape, and other atrocities have a rational purpose - they cause panic, which accelerates the exodus of the population."

Do you see now, Bobi, what we have to deal with in Poland? The guy rationalises the bestial murders and claims that they were merely ethnic cleansing, not genocide. If I recall correctly the same Mr Nijakowski wrote about Russian genocide in Bucha (73-178 victims acording to the UN, 458 according to the Ukrainian government). Can you believe it? In Bucha we had genocide, in Volhyn merely an ethnic cleansing (of course provoked by centuries of Polish oppression, so Poland should apologise first).

I have no words.

History / Poles should apologise to Slovaks first [7]


Yes, and Ireland is only one little item on the list of things you don't know about. :)

I spent three lovely years in Ireland (2005-2008). I recommend it to you too; maybe if you left your village and spent some time in the West, you would realise the need to apologise to everyone for everything and wouldn't interfere with my masterplan. See ya later, monkey. :):):)

History / Poles should apologise to Slovaks first [7]


You are missing the point as usual. Ha!

Gotta go now. Lithuanian, Czech and Swedish (and possibly French) threads coming soon. Watch this space. :)

History / Poles should apologise to Turks first [7]


Truth is absolutely irrelevant in the Apologising Masterplan. Such a neo-marxist, globalist oikophobe like yourself should be aware of it. Now, stop interfering.

History / Poles should apologise to Turks first [7]

There there, pawian. Stop foaming at the mouth (I can tell by your excessive use of smileys) and don't interfere with my Apologise to Everyone Masterplan.

You inspired it, so now grin and bear it. :D

History / Poles should apologise to Turks first [7]


What do you mean? You think that Poles should apologise to Ukrainians for things as far back in the past as 1018 but they shouldn't apologise to the Turks for much more recent events in 1683, for example? For denying them what they had been desiring for centuries? Are you an islamophobe? Or racist?

Besides, you're missing the point as usual. The point is to apologise to everyone for everything, and in this way become a moral superpower which will enable us to lecture everyone about minority rights, European values or tolerance as well as stop everybody's European funds on the basis that they are not democratic enough. :):):)

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Mr Zelensky must be very forgetful of his country's history, or he must suppose that all others are ignorant or forgetful of it. But it is not my intention, at present, to reply to this extravagant pretension.

I shall, however, observe this thread with utmost interest. :)

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


But apart from that the thread is not entirely pointless in its core. Mutual apologies, some time in the future, brotherly understanding, and - why not? - a bit of kumbaya singing would eventually be nice. :)

Pawian, pawian, pawian... you're not a bad guy at heart, I'll give you that.*


Should we apologise for that too? If we go back 1000 years the Europe will be stuck in apologies for another millenium - there will be no time for anything else. :D Oh, well... anyway, I'll leave this humorous thread in peace for the time being and will observe it with kindhearted interest. :)


Hey, what happened to "it was the Austro-Hungarians who created Ukrainian nationality against both Russians and Poles"? ;)

*But you can be an annoying c*nt sometimes nonetheless. Peace.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


I know exactly that there are people in Poland who formulate similar views - even in a more pronounced manner - and that's exactly why I'm asking the questions in this thread. :):):) So, would you be so kind and answer them?


Aaaah.... so now you see that it's not nice when you start a thread and somebody comes and start nitpicking in it? :):):) I just gave you a taste of your own medicine.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


No, you did not. You said in #6 that "no atrocities can be justified, neither Polish or Ukrainian". That's not what I asked in #10, so I will repeat my question...

Would you say that when a group of people "desires something for centuries" (as you said) and the elites of the country where they live, the ruling class, don't want to satisfy their desires, then when the aforementioned group of people commits bestial atrocities on civilians - mostly peasants, women, children and the elderly - this is merely a "direct result" (as you said) of those frustrated desires?

...and just in case you missed it, I will repeat the second (but definitely not the last :)) question:

Were the Poles bestially slaughtered by OUN-UPA, the children tortured and begging to be killed next to their mums (you should try and read Volhyn survivors memoirs every now and then) - were they "oppressors and partitioners" (as you said) in Ukraine?

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

How about answering my question from #10? :)


Another question, just to establish what you mean by that. Were the Poles bestially slaughtered by OUN-UPA, the children tortured and begging to be killed next to their mums (you should try and read Volhyn survivors memoirs every now and then) - were they "oppressors and partitioners" in Ukraine?


Indeed. A Putinist, hoping to turn Poles against Ukrainians, could do nothing better than propagate Pawian's thread to achieve his aim. Who knows - maybe he is a covert Putinist agent? Hmm... :):):)

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Something tells me that this suggestion, made repeatedly in the past by several members, shall not be followed. :)

Besides, let's remain calm - maybe Pawian just wants Poland to go the German way: let's apologise everyone for everything and then claim to be a moral superpower, lecturing everybody in Europe about decency, minority rights, democracy etc. Hmm... maybe he's onto something here. :)


Interesting. So would you say that when a group of people "desires something for centuries" and the elites of the country where they live, the ruling class, doesn't want to satisfy their desires, then when the aforementioned group of people commits bestial atrocities on civilians - mostly peasants, women, children and the elderly - this is merely a "direct result" of those frustrated desires? I'm just making sure if I understood you correctly.


Don't forget the Swedes, Alien. We should definitely apologise to them for brutally repelling their Potop and driving them back across the Baltic Sea. That was definitely uncalled for by Poland! We should have folded, so that today we would be a part of Sweden, "socially just" and with full tolerance of various minorities.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

This will be interesting :)


Are you - by any chance - suggesting that banderist atrocities can be justified by "centuries of Polish oppression"?

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]


But I admitted it straight away some posts later. If I don't write about everything in one single post, it doesn't mean that I "cleverly omit" that. Really, Pawian, you must be a difficult person to live around - your willingness to ascribe bad intentions to people is astounding.

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]


As far back as I can remember young voters were voting for JKM and his UPR - it's a phase that a lot of adult teenagers in Poland went through :) This time however it's different - UPR never got even half of the support Konfederacja has now. Something changed and I wouldn't dismiss it with jokes about provincial Poland.

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]

@pawian

The fact that Polish businesses cooperated with Ukrainian oligarchs in the process of selling the grain here doesn't take the blame away from the latter. They knew straight away that the grain will be sold on the Polish market (instead of being just transported through Poland, like agreed) and that's exactly what they demand at the moment - to open the Polish and other frontier countries' markets.

The fact that their prime minister is so impudent in his lies indicates - as Iron very sensibly predicts - that he might sit in their pocket, figuratively speaking. Ukraine is not one bit less corrupt than Russia and their oligarchs are not one bit less greedy. If you think otherwise, you display naivety unbecoming of your age.

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]


Of course, and some of those businesses were - surprise, surprise - connected with PiS politicians...

wiadomosci.radiozet.pl/Biznes/lista-firm-sprowadzajacych-zboze-z-ukrainy-sa-powiazania-z-pis

... it was only after desperate farmers' protests that they withdrew from their shady proceedings.

Ukraine is not yet an EU member and they don't yet have full and unrestricted access to European markets; that's why the current mechanism of transit is in place to protect Polish (and also Slovak, Hungarian, Romanian and Bulgarian) farmers.


This is from November. As recently as June Ukrainian IPN director was giving us a lovely ultimatum, saying that there won't be exhumations if Poland doesn't take proper care of UPA monument in Monastyr...

wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/swiat/artykuly/8735483,anton-drohobycz-ekshumacje-wolyn-monastyr-ipn.html

... the impudence! :-/

About two weeks ago Polish IPN president informed that they still don't have permission for exhumation...


polskieradio24.pl/130/5553/artykul/3205933,wznowienie-ekshumacji-na-wolyniu-prezes-ipn-to-zalezy-wylacznie-od-woli-ukrainskich-wladz

... later he mentions that some exhumation works started in one village (Puzniki) but that without permissions from Ukrainian authorities the full process will take forever (we are talking about 1500 destroyed villages).

@pawian

War cannot justify everything. If Ukrainians are so reluctant to cooperate about Volhyn and feel so free to lie about us now, when they are so desperately dependent on our help, then after the war they will just tell us to f*ck off straight away. Remember my words when it happens.

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]


Well said, Anti. It will take years for Ukraine to root out corruption and reform their legal and economic system. The road was long and bumpy even for Poland. We officially applied in 1994 and joined in 2004; in case of Ukraine it might take even longer.


Exactly such system is in place at the moment and PiS wants to extend it without opening Polish market for the grain. Identical measures are demanded by the Romanian, Bulgarian, Slovakian and Hungarian governments.

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]


Of course he does, when he wants to fully express his indignation.


That is correct, and if some Ukrainians choose to be only 99% pro-Polish for this reason, then they have full right to do so. I reserve a similar right for myself.


Have you been to Russia? If not, you should go one day after the war. You would be surprised. I met only kindhearted and generous people there. People who are, by and large, poor but who will share what little they have with a stranger (and not exactly from a friendly country). A year in Russia? I wouldn't mind. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Pawian. :)

@amiga500

Yes, Pawian's analogy is not entirely precise and he realises that (we discussed it several times in the past) but one should not look for precise analogies on an internet board. ;)

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]


I wouldn't say sceptical. I am 99% pro-Ukrainian.

The remaining 1% I reserve for those who glorify SS-Galizien and OUN-UPA, refuse the burial of Polish genocide victims or lie about my country. Sue me. :)

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]


Check out earlier posts, BB. He's just annoyed that I dared to expose the lies of Ukrainian prime minister and he nitpicks about some minor inaccuracies in my posts. :)

Every reader of this thread can judge for himself how serious my "lies" here are, especially compared to what Shmyhal said. Also, I linked an interesting article from German-owned Onet, written by a former diplomat during the 1st government of Donald Tusk, exposing Ukrainian lies. Well worth reading.

Besides, inaccuracies in my posts are meaningless, I am nobody important. On the other hand, what Ukrainian Prime Minister, and a trusted man of President Zelensky, says is very important. Especially when he lies about one of Ukraine's most important allies. As Feniks rightly noticed "biting the hand that feeds" - tsk, tsk, tsk.

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]

@pawian

Thanks for constantly bumping my thread. :) This way more people can read about Ukrainian lies and their barbarous refusal to allow the burial of our dead.

As for the rest of your post... *yaaaaaaaaawn*

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]


I'm just trying to picture Tusk and Kaczynski holding hands... hmm... a lovely vision. :D

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]


After all those years of mutual hatred? I'd be surprised.


Yes. They should remember the fate of LPR and Samoobrona.

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]


That's one thing, but it also shows lack of trust towards traditional, established political parties. More and more people say that they are disillusioned towards "the system" (whatever they mean by that).

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]

Recent polls indicate unexpectedly high support for Konfederacja (15.4%)...

wprost.pl/polityka/wybory-parlamentarne-2023/sondaze/11318338/konfederacja-bedzie-rozdawac-karty-po-wyborach-oto-wyniki-najnowszego-sondazu.html

... is it possible that they will form a coalition government with PiS after the elections? That would definitely be a plot twist. :-/