History / 1920 Germany Lands in exchange for the Eastern Lands? [31]


Are you kidding me? Poland was the stronger one in the union.

Imagine if all this energy, all those armies, all the money etc. went west instead of east! Berlin today would have more than just Polish name to remind us of its Slavic past.

And even if we only got as far as our current western border - without these lands there would be no Prussia (the main engine behind partitions).

Czechs were closer to us ethnically, linguistically and culturally - we should have entered into union with them and go west instead of going east with Lithuanians.

History / 1920 Germany Lands in exchange for the Eastern Lands? [31]


Yes, I will wait for 6 minutes before replying next time. ;)

History / 1920 Germany Lands in exchange for the Eastern Lands? [31]

EDIT

Well, maybe it's for the better. Do we want to be Poles or Czechs on steroids? :)

History / 1920 Germany Lands in exchange for the Eastern Lands? [31]


I blame the union with Lithuania.

They drew us into countless wars in the eastern steppes where we bled out and wasted our resources instead of consolidating our lands in the West. Without Poland's Union with Lithuania there would be no rise of Prussia and no partitions, and today we would have similar borders but larger population and GDP (basically Czechia on steroids).

History / 1920 Germany Lands in exchange for the Eastern Lands? [31]

@pawian

You are quite correct.

However, fish in the Odra river are a bit of a delicate topic these days.

Life / In Poland on holiday - need help with bad case of homesickness [108]


That is absolutely correct.

Come back to Poland, Lenka. There has never been a better time for smart, hard-working people in our country (well, maybe early 90s, but a lot of other things were not so rosy back then).

Besides, here is your home - eagles' (and eaglesses') nest. You are hearing White Eagle's call - follow it!

History / 1920 Germany Lands in exchange for the Eastern Lands? [31]


Oh, shut up, Pawian. You wasted enough of my nerves already. :-/


Now you're talking. :)

History / 1920 Germany Lands in exchange for the Eastern Lands? [31]

Also, that would be exchanging more ancient Piast lands for much newer Jagiellonian acquisitions. Nonsensical.

Better question would be: would Germany return old Slavic lands east of Elbe river (Berlin is an ancient Slavic city) in exchange for $2 billion, Kaczyński's cat, and life-time subscription to TV Trwam?

History / 1920 Germany Lands in exchange for the Eastern Lands? [31]

There's about 15-17 million Poles living there and hardly any Germans - what would Germany do with those lands? Even eastern Germany is depopulating, so whom would they send to settle even further east - Turks, Syrians, African "doctors and engineers"? Doesn't make sense.

Also, what power does Germany have to offer Ukrainian and Belarussian lands to us? Zagłoba and the Netherlands come to mind. And the same question: whom would Poland send to live in the wild Asian steppes?

No deal.

P.S. What are we supposed to do with $1 billion? Kaczyński spends more on food for his cat. :)

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]


Yes, keep him on a shorter leash, please. Things are developing in a rather interesting way in certain aspects, so we don't need this kind of antics.

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]


No. Polish choppers violated Belarussian air space once too and they weren't shot down.

But now we are even, so the Potato Fuhrer should think twice before sending them again.

Off-Topic / Lovely Souvenirs Thread [11]


You see what you want to see. And you are wrong as you usually are.

The upper scarf - Spartak Moscow - is from 2003 (or 2004) - almost 20 years before the invasion. It was issued on the occasion of Polish goalkeeper, Wojciech Kowalewski, joining Spartak. The lower one is Russian NT scarf and the slogan is similar to "Let's go England!", "Forza Italia!", "Hup hup Oranje!" and so on.

Anyways, Pawian, post a nice souvenir or f*ck off and stop ruining my thread.

Off-Topic / Lovely Souvenirs Thread [11]


Wow! Respect! I always knew you were a sound fellow.


We were all young once. :)


Something like that might rather be posted by some SS-Galizien loving neo-nazi, not me. Why would you even bring this up in connection to sports scarves from 20 years ago? Strange.

Off-Topic / Lovely Souvenirs Thread [11]

Hey, you can post any Ukrainian souvenir that you have here and I will have no problem with that. Cheer up :)

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Yes, they are fighting also for us. I agree.

However, not everybody in Poland would seem to agree. Football supporters - a very patriotic element would seem to be of a different opinion...

...and it's not only in Wrocław that you see banners like that. These folks are as patriotic as it gets, the salt of Polish earth. Interesting, isn't it?

The salt of the earth.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


You are lying like a rabid dog now - I said on several occasions that I don't give a flying f*ck about Ukrainian apologies; all I want is for the genocidal sickf*cks to just allow the exhumation and proper burial of the victims, like any civilised country would. Unfortunately the barbarians don't allow even that. F*ck them.

400 tanks, 200 Rosomak afvs, shitl*ds of other vehicles, artillery, attack choppers, fighter planes, modern drones, manpads, train after train loaded with ammo, fuel and f*ck knows what else. They would be speaking Russian in Kiev long time ago without our help. Plus, millions of refugees with health care, education, child benefits etc. granted and the bastards don't even allow the burial of our dead? Amasing.

P.S. I am enjoying my holidays. Posting occasionally to counter Pawian's rabid lies. :)

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

Just one final post before I take another well deserved summer break...


If you think that any Pole, worthy of that name, has embraced or will ever embrace the Ukrainian nationalist legacy of OUN-UPA/SS-Galizien then you are one deluded Australian.

The rising support for Konfederacja (which is widely considered a pro-Russian party, or at least Ukraine-skeptical) indicates also, among other things, the rising objections among Poles towards unconditional support for Mr Zelensky's politics (I recommend Paweł Lisicki's editorial in the latest issue of Do Rzeczy).

As for our dear Ukrainian friends, allies and brothers - they have been glorifying UPA/SS-Galizien for over 30 years now, deciding that it's a good idea to build their national identity on that. They lied about it, sabotaged or falsified historical research and refused exhumation of Volyn victims. Their far-right elements, so celebrated now, even talked about territorial demands on Poland (so called Закерзоння, with ancient Ukrainian cities of Холм and Перемишль)...

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakerzonie

... some time ago I even posted photos of lovely Закерзоння banners that they like to display on various occasions. As for what Ukrainians did towards their Russian minority, I am not a specialist, so I won't write about that, but if even small part of what Velund and Bobko wrote about is true, then it looks like our dear friends and allies thought that they could spit on their western neighbours and spit on their eastern neighbours at the same time. Now they find themselves in a rather difficult predicament.

Karma is a lady whose livelihood depends on her engaging in sexual intercourse for monetary remuneration. Alas!

What a brilliant thread. It made me see so many things much clearer.

Have a nice summer, people! :)

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

Most people here know that I have a personal connection to Volhyn... does that make me biased? Perhaps. Anyway, of all the stories I heard from Volhyn survivors or read about, there is one in particular that sticks with me and doesn't want to leave my memory (I don't think it ever will):

... a typical story. Ukrainians slaughtering a Polish multi-generational (as it used to be in the countryside) family. A boy manages to hide. He can't see what's going on but can hear everything. He hears his family's agony. He hears his little brother being bestially tortured and eventually begging the Ukrainians to kill him next to his mommy.

I just can't f*ckin forget it... a four-year-old boy... realised that they are now going to kill him and asked to be killed next to his mamusia. They murder him like they murdered everyone else.

Today in Poland we have people who want to apologise first. To apologise to those who still glorify UPA, build their monuments, hang their portraits in their offices and name stadiums after them. They want to do it because in Middle Ages "Polish colonisation of Ukraine" started and lasted for centuries. The people to whom they want to apologise very often blindly refuse to acknowledge the genocide or even lie about it. We had an example of this when prime minister Morawiecki went to one of the villages, or rather to a place when one of the slaughtered villages used to be (Puźniki). Ukrainian media wrote that Polish prime minister visited the place of Soviet war crimes.

Judge it for yourselves.

I will write nothing more on the matter, for fear that my conversation with certain members here might turn overly acrimonious; and anyway the likelihood of people changing their minds - one way or another - is rather slim. Judge it for yourselves.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Do you agree, Paulina, that Bucha was a genocide but Volhyn merely an ethnic cleansing? An ethnic cleansing that was provoked by centuries of Polish oppression and that's why Poland should apologize to Ukrainians first?

No malice intended on my part, I'm just curious. It's a good moment for me to establish who I am dealing with on this board. With Pawian I already have a good idea; I like you (for some reason unknown to me), so I'm just curious about your opinion on this matter.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Rabid leftist. It's a pity he won't see my closed Slovak and Turkish threads - he would gladly apologise for every point I mentioned.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

Ah, the short ban is over. How nice.


Check out the fragment of the article that starts with "As Polish sociologist Lech Nijakowski of Warsaw University explains" (...) and ends with "Spectacular torture, rape, and other atrocities have a rational purpose - they cause panic, which accelerates the exodus of the population."

Do you see now, Bobi, what we have to deal with in Poland? The guy rationalises the bestial murders and claims that they were merely ethnic cleansing, not genocide. If I recall correctly the same Mr Nijakowski wrote about Russian genocide in Bucha (73-178 victims acording to the UN, 458 according to the Ukrainian government). Can you believe it? In Bucha we had genocide, in Volhyn merely an ethnic cleansing (of course provoked by centuries of Polish oppression, so Poland should apologise first).

I have no words.

History / Poles should apologise to Slovaks first [7]


Yes, and Ireland is only one little item on the list of things you don't know about. :)

I spent three lovely years in Ireland (2005-2008). I recommend it to you too; maybe if you left your village and spent some time in the West, you would realise the need to apologise to everyone for everything and wouldn't interfere with my masterplan. See ya later, monkey. :):):)

History / Poles should apologise to Slovaks first [7]


You are missing the point as usual. Ha!

Gotta go now. Lithuanian, Czech and Swedish (and possibly French) threads coming soon. Watch this space. :)

History / Poles should apologise to Turks first [7]


Truth is absolutely irrelevant in the Apologising Masterplan. Such a neo-marxist, globalist oikophobe like yourself should be aware of it. Now, stop interfering.

History / Poles should apologise to Turks first [7]

There there, pawian. Stop foaming at the mouth (I can tell by your excessive use of smileys) and don't interfere with my Apologise to Everyone Masterplan.

You inspired it, so now grin and bear it. :D

History / Poles should apologise to Turks first [7]


What do you mean? You think that Poles should apologise to Ukrainians for things as far back in the past as 1018 but they shouldn't apologise to the Turks for much more recent events in 1683, for example? For denying them what they had been desiring for centuries? Are you an islamophobe? Or racist?

Besides, you're missing the point as usual. The point is to apologise to everyone for everything, and in this way become a moral superpower which will enable us to lecture everyone about minority rights, European values or tolerance as well as stop everybody's European funds on the basis that they are not democratic enough. :):):)