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I stand on the position that instead "exiting" we should disasemble the EU - in its current shape and form - from within. If we leave now then we will have a huge, semi-hostile to Poland after Polexit, political organism ruled by Germany and France behind our Western borders. That would not be the best option for Poland.

There are more EU-sceptic movements in the EU and we should collaborate with them and make coordinated actions against "ever tighter union". And obvioulsy we should oppose forming the EU-army in any shape and form.

Poland and Hungary should stand as a banner for the others to join.

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Which is growing.


A soon as people start working they also start to realize how much they have to pay in taxes. And how little they got left in their wallets after heavy taxasion.

We just have to make them realize that it doesn't have to be that way.


I will take it as a compliment :-) Tbh. Internet forums were made for that purpuse.


Konfederacja is much more than just Korwin. And Korwin's influence has diminished even within his own faction. Who is Konfederacja's presidential candidate? Krzysztof Bosak from the national movement.

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Then you should vote for Konfederacja. Instead of paying high taxes so the beauracrats would distribute it according to their will we should keep as much money as possible in our own private wallets. Instead of 500+ there should be a 500- in taxes.

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Konfederacja, or Polish conservatists, doesn't stop anyone from helping whoever they want as long as they are paying for it from their own wallets and taking full responsibility for their guests and their actions.

If someone wants to invite a family of "refugees" under their roof to feed them and to pay for them, they are allowed to do so. Konfederacja is against donating it from a taxpayer's money in the name of some leftist multikulti ideology.

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So open your own, private wallet and unvite them under your own private roof instead of demanding that Polish taxpayers should pay with our money and safety for your whims


Are you saying that G. Britain is not a democratic country? What about Sweden, Netherlands or Spain?

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Right now in Poland it actually is. Back in 2015, when Poland was pressured to take in "refugees", people voted for PiS to block it.

And now Konfederacja is in Polish parliament and the young generation of right-wind voters is growing to support it to grow further.

Democracy only works when there is a healthy society and universal values which unites it as a nation.

And who knows, in the future, we may democratically - by a popular vote - establish a constitutional monarchy in Poland. What would such a democrat as yourself said about it then? :-)

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Well, Angela is still a chancellor of Germany, no? :-)

Btw. I'm going to watch "The Golden Glove" to educate myself a bit in a modern German culture, heh.

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The EU is a political organization of nations that hardly tries to become a federation against the will of the most nations who participate in this project.

The EU should have less political legitimacy not more. That said, there was a queen of the EU and her name was Angela Merkel, but she did "someting stupid" in 2015 and lost her crown :-P

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I simply said that the Queen has got the power and she's not there only for a "decoration" like you put it.

Political power is there to be used for the benefit of the nation. And a single person educated in ruling since childhood can make tought and often unpopular but necessary political decissions.

Politicians in democracy are elected for a 4-5 year term and they rarely look beyond it (there are exceptions). And even when they do is only to secure themselves another 4-year term by making empty promises and/or bribing citizens with their own [taxpayer's] money.

A monarch has a much wider scope and can plan for decades. That brings stability and allows large geopolitical projects to be completed.

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And you would be wrong, since Queen Elizabeth II has a lot of political power. She just decide not to use it.

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He may have some German roots but he is as Polish as kotlet schabowy z kapusta. He doesn't have much warm feelings towards Germany - to say the least - if that's what you're asking about :-)

His family lived in Poland for generations and he was born and raised in Poland, so he is as much of a German as John Travolta is Italian.


Yes, and what's so weird about it? Great Britain was a monarchy since its conception and it is one the most civilized countries in the world.

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Konfederacja stands on the ground that a marriage should exist only between a man and a woman. Any other 'configuarations' should not be called nor legally registered as a "marriage".

Konfederacja is also against adoption of children by a homosexual couples.

They are also against abortion which, coincidently, was historically first introduced to Poland during WWII occupation by the German authorities. No doubt to our "benefit".

Basically both - Konfederacja and the Catholic Church - are against neo-marxism in its various forms.

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Lenka, I know that I'm like an open book to you :-)


The Church should preach its traditional teachings. Those political parties which programs are compatible with the teachings will be supported by Catholics by default.

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Lenka, I am happy with K. Bosak. He is educated, logical and eloquent. And what's the most important for a presidential candidate: he can keep his emotions at bay even in the middle of the most heated political discussion.

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They don't have a civilisational foundations to run one or even to be able to comprehend its basic mechanics. What is suitable for an intelligent Europeans with their work ethics and rich traditions wouldn't work in Africa. To be honest nothing works, or ever worked, in Africa except perhaps of the Republic of South Africa.

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The best indicator of a good school are skills acquired by students in the process. Probation period would tell the future employer whether it was real or not.

Many state owned schools in Poland educate students which has a lot of theorethical knowledge and not enough practical skills. Private schools cannot afford to produce such a sub-standard results cause they have to attract paying students in the future.


Poisonous beer would sell worse than a regular one I presume ;-) Is this a real argument?


The inneficient system which is in place in Poland now wasn't voluntary implemented but enforced by a previous communist government. And it's about to go bancrupt. Changing it for a more efficient system based on a private funds would not only be logical but necessary.

Just ot be clear. A minimal state, a watchman state, doesn't eliminate the state as a whole but greatly reduces its size - thus reducing the operating costs payed in taxes - and the competences of the state which incleases the amount of freedom for its citizens.

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Nope. I've travelled around Europe and Asia but never set a foot in the US. That doesn't stop me from understanding a principle (and advantages) of a private education system.

And since those universities occupy the top of the list of the best in the world they must be managed better than state-owned ones.


Is that you final substantive argument? :-)

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I took a programming in a private Polish-Japanese Academy of Information Technology in Warsaw and paid for it from my part-time job. And I'm satisfied.


There are private schools of all levels, even in a post-PRL Poland. And they are affordable. This market is still growing and developing in Poland.

Examples from Warsaw:

ourkids.net/pl-en/primary-schools-in-warsaw.php

And do I have to remind you that people send their kids to private schools while still paying in taxes for the state schools which they don't use? If state schools were better they would not pay double.


In the UK many companies provide a workplace pension. We should take an example and promote it in Poland. Apart of that there are private pension funds. The money that you're currently paying for a state pension you easily could transfer to a private entity.

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Well, it's not mine. It is over a century old idea. Right libertarianism operates on a basis that a private enterprises are, due to competition and more rational spendings and investments, far more efficient than a state owned ones.

Let's take for an example the universities in the US. The best of them: Harvard, MIT, Stanford etc. are private ones.

And also a health system in the US is largely operated by a private sector.

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Now we have to build a critical mass of the EU sceptics in Poland just like the Brits did in the UK. We have to convince most Poles that by now the benefits of the EU are outweighed by its drawbacks. And the EU core is only making it easier for us.

Basically, the only thing in a modern EU which is really beneficial for Poland is a single market. So the whole challenge lies in rejecting the EU neomarxism while taking part in a free trade and growing the economy as long as it's possible.

In this case time works for us and Poles are very resilient as you must know by now. And the young generation in Poland is more right wing, more EU sceptic than the mid-aged folks.

Apart of that we have to collaborate with the other EUsceptic (a word "eurosceptic" is misleading) countries on how to reverse this project into a decentralized European Economic Area. Or to deconstruct it and rebuild it in a better form.

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No, actually I'm quite happy about it.

In my opinion Poland has benefited from that situation in two major ways:

1) it opened the eyes for many Poles about the true intentions and goals of the "EU core"

2) it helped right-wing and conservative movements to grow and to gain support among society.

All that good stuff without taking in even a single muslim "refugee". The threat was real though, yet the society has mobilized against it.

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None. But not because Germany and the EU didn't wanted to do that. It is only only because of Polish opposition that this project has failed.

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Taxes - the lower the better - are a necessary evil in a modern society and they benefit the nation with beneficial services like a strong army, police and an effective administrative apparatus.

Night-watchman state* model comes in mind and that's the type of a govenment which has my support. In Poland the closest political party to this model is Konfederacja.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state

So don't compare paying taxes to taking in German muslim refugees. A people without any work qualifications, often without any papers, and from a different culture which is openly hostile towards Christianity and our way of living. That is an unnecessary evil which only generates costs, social unrest and brings no value whatsoever.

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A word "solidarity" suggests that something is done on a voluntary basis because a given group or a society thinks that it is a right thing to do. And they are willingly doing that.

However, when the action is enforced by some governing body a word "solidarity" losses its original meaning. It becomes a form of opression. Pushing unwanted refugees from Germany to Poland against Polish will in the name of a false "solidarity" is an act of opression.

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Yes, to tranform the union into a purely economical pact and a free trade zone without its ideological undertone.

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That's interesting that you've chosen that date. I have to agree with you. Since Germany wanted to enforce their, previously invited, unwanted 'muslim guests' on Poland political relations between our countries got a lot colder.


Tell that to the socialists running the EU and expect to be publicly lynched

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Nope, a modern socialist governments who impose high tax rates on their citizens in order to fund a socialist utopia are true parasites.


A tax shaming :-D

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At last we agree on something

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Unless Britain make a smart manouver and become a highly competitive market with low taxes. Britain receives in FDI more than Germany and France combined. With lower taxes and no EU regulations thay could easily grow those numbers at the expense of a Western Europe.

Think about it as a tax haven in the heart of Europe with a developed market and military power to protect themselves from bullying.

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And when it become economically reasonable to get one I'll think about buying it. For now, I will let those ideologically inclined customers to be an early adopters of a half baked technology :-)