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Ironside   
17 Aug 2010
Po polsku / Pomnik ku czci bolszewików? [26]

Aby upamiętnić wszystkich wrogów, którzy użyźniają Polska ziemie to miejsca by nie starczyło!
Ironside   
17 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

M-G (tiens)

One more issue thought, for a change try to refer to my arguments and points as I do regarding to your arguments.
You on the other hand mostly concentrate about how I'm stubborn and incurable poor bastard - instead try to argue for a change?

I-S( Then soon with the emblem of truth overflowing,And dripping with reason, He rose from the depth.Where for time too long to remember, Was resting on canopy woven from His dreams.)
Ironside   
17 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

Everything I say is dead wrong and you jump on your hind legs over it

Well, maybe read my post once more? I said let agree to disagree.
You are jumping from one point to the other without order.
As for CC history I'm not that interested, what I know comes from history books not concerted on Church history.

Every time, over and over again.

hey! you're doing the same - you say ping I say pong - say something else for a change!

This complete and utter denial of valid facts just gets on my nerves.

What facts? I do not deny facts I do interpret my way! Why should I read them your way ? Give me a good answer. please!

don't call me a Communist.

I never did! Gee! you always accuses me of something I feel like accused sometimes- chill out! see the smiley after communist :) ?????

concernng Holocaust and anti semitism published by the Simon Wiesenthal Institute and make notes

I Don't understand ! Are we discussing above?

That's how I do it and always have done it and it's probably the best way to come to true objective conclusions. You should try that too.

Wouldn't be that a very superficial and general view of things?

And I suppose you're a big fan of Norman Davies too?

Not really but he made few good points there!
I-S (good night! this time I'm going to sleep, I think you didn't read my previous post closely due to late hour, do it tomorrow)
Ironside   
17 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

et

I have nothing against a good and thorough discussion

Really? Its a news to me, you first deploy torrent of slogans intertwined with few facts interpreted your way and then if somebody do not agree with you, you quickly get angry and annoyed and start sprouting nonsense and insults.

Let's agree to recognize that we have different view of the world and then exchange our arguments and views in peaceful manner.
There no need to overheat thyself, as a judge(we cannot trust our objectivity) I propose Sean S :)


Let the tournament commence !

Yet none of these belligerents have successfully rebuked any of my arguments so far.

Your claims to be proved yet!I'll enlighten you - your word is not an definite proof ending all discussion.

commies

You rebuked me for using that word.

Pro Catholic BS t

its BS for you!

an instution that's rotten to the core

that your opinion to which you are entitled thanks to CC in a way - however I say that you are biased and you cannot see above your bias and prejudices!

Notice that discussing with you I'm not using any religious arguments but only those I can logicically justify.On the other hand you are continuously using slogans and expressions one has to believe in without poof, that you take something for granted it doesn't mean I have to do the same.

To put it simple - your arguments are biased, emotional and demand acceptance of your values- on the other hand my arguments are based on logic and common sense.

Small type of great ones, that do hum
Within this whole world's narrow room,

......................................................Poor Fly, caught in an airy net,:)

- The Commies are gone. No need to keep going on about them. They left 20 years ago. That means they are gone, vanished, disappeared, finito, basta, NOT THERE ANYMORE.

I'm missing your point here, Communist ideology exists (you are one example of it:)), Communist country's exists as well (Cuba, Northern Korea), Communists do live still, they are in their 60 and 50ies - nothing vanished!

You perception is crooked I suppose from NL point of view Communists really vanished - I've thought that "historian" should know better!

The Czechs were even more screwed and betrayed by the West than you guys were.

How so? They could fight but choose to surrender.I fail to see that they were worse off than Poland. The Czechs regained their industry most of the citizens and all their land.

Whereas Poland ....do I have to spell it for you?

Actually the Commies weren't in power in Kielce in those days. As you may know or may deny, it was a Polish officer who made the decision NOT to stop the events during the incident. It were Polish citizens who perpetrated the deed; how on earth can you blame the Communists for this??

Really ? Who's army were in the town, in the country ? Who's was in charge?
I don't know who perpetrated the deed because it was soviets apparatus of terror and soviet propaganda tools - called by the silly little westerners - soviet juridical system, and they called the shots!

They could do anything, and blame anyone they choose!
Someone died! At the time in Poland many people died - some hunted in the woods , some tortured, humiliated and killed in the damp dark dungeons!

You said that Poles cannot do wrong - well Poles can do wrong and many Poles are rare bastards, some killed Jews!(gee?! shock!?,phew!)

However non Polish officer would ever order to kill innocent, unarmed bystanders and absolutely not if there were involved children - its absolutely out of the question!Nor would he stand aside without orders to do so! Who could give such orders?

Is not blindness, is intimate knowledge of Polish culture - and cultural code - you are doing a gross mistake, ignoring that!

About your remarks concerning religion: hahahahahahaha..

About your remarks concerning CC:hahahahahaha....try maybe to read some serious historical stuff instead of rubbish booklets !!
I told you, you choose level of our discussion!
Don't you know about Islamic invasion against Christian Europe - Constantinople, France, Italy! ?Go and read!
Sean
Lock horns ? maybe, but I'm better then that :)
I-S (good night)
Ironside   
15 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

Stop dragging the commies into everything. You've had no Communism for about 20 years, time to call it quits blaming everything on them. It looks a bit childish and refusing to take responsibility for one's own deeds.

hey! communist had the same opinion like you about religion, that the fact!

Kielce? Communist did that.

Well, who was in charge then? Don't be daft you know that somebody who is in charge is responsible - somehow in the years 1921-1939 something like that never happened and there was about 3mln Jews and a lot of tension - then Poles were in charge!

Kielce - commies were in charge and their were responsible - face it like a man, don't be a *****!

Poles perpetrated nasty business between 1935-1939?

What nasty business ?

Poland is not the only country to be occupied by the commies,

But the only country attacked by joined Soviet-Nazi forces, only country being in Allies camp to the last day of the war, the only country who from brother in arms and formal allied power that was reduced to soviet slave with former allies looking other way.

You should go work for Xerox. They make excellent copiers.

what the **** are you about? Its my own original thought!

If you have spiritual needs blahananahaha

On the side it has created wars, quests for power

I disagree, that has nothing to do with religion but with social tension.

Wherever Christians took over the role of the existing religion (without asking the natives whether they agreed or not) tolerance made way for intoleranc

As for the rest I'm familiar with those "arguments", to be honest I'm really disappointed I thought you will do better then that!

Invasion in the name of religion Christian learned from Muslims and after years of abuse, raids and invasions - they let them test their own medicine.

As for abuse of power and all bad things in the Church is only human nature in action - but for one bad thing you could find hundreds good things - for shameful episode in CC history - 10 deed that one could be proud of !!

I-S (enough for today)
Ironside   
14 Aug 2010
History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [239]

well i do hope not, i don't speak about England or Scotland like they are the centre of the earth,

Who does? I would like to point to you a little fact which seems to have escaped your attention - that very forum is dedicated to Poland.

also don't try and convince people England or Scotland is repsonsible for things they are not

Its very enigmatic, in response:
1. Number of accusation , slagging and lies, not to mention mockery on this very forum it is unreal, so some people react stronger that would have otherwise.

2. I happened to hear English saying that they made America!

I know the sun does not shine out of the backside of either country and i don't kid myslef or anyone else for that matter.

Well, I don't claim it either, but there some Britons on this forum to whom it did happen few times:)
Ironside   
11 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

therefore I've come to the conclusion that religion doesn't offer any substantial to mankind and shouldn't have a place in 21st century society anymore.

Like Communists?
I have come to the conclusion that spiritual need is one of the elements which consist full human being and therefore religion is needed.
You blame religion for society errors - however is goes deeper than that and religion is not to blame:)
Ironside   
9 Aug 2010
Off-Topic / Are Polish Christians here? [160]

because everybody in Poland steals

really ? I want to sue you ? pm me your details !

sure!
Ironside   
9 Aug 2010
Love / Are all beautiful Polish girls as crazy as this? [262]

Conclusion :
all Polish girls are beatify crazy
or crazily beautiful
or are you all crazy
or are you all beatify crazy!

I-S (enough of this nonsense crazy people, get a medical help)
Ironside   
9 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

Oh shut up:) if not for Poles you would live in one of 27 or so Germanic states!

semantics are not silly, I could have said that about your test, but I wanted to pointed out that, besides being a fallacy, you only wanted to discuss the issue from one point of view.

Well, since only your view is right one ...
Ironside   
9 Aug 2010
Life / Polish authors, books & literature. [125]

Great writer , extremely interesting life, I really urge to read his books - some of them are available in English!
Sergiusz Piasecki (1901–1964), was one of the most renowned Polish language writers of the 20th century. His most famous work, Kochanek Wielkiej Niedzwiedzicy (The lover of Ursa Major), published in 1937, was the third most popular book of the inter-bellum Poland. After World War II , Piasecki's books were banned by the communist government of Poland.
Ironside   
9 Aug 2010
Life / Polish authors, books & literature. [125]

Let's have a discussion about books and authors - not only Polish but any you deem worthy.

Włodzimierz Odojewski

Odojewski's prose is rooted in the literary tradition of existential inquiry. It is characterised by an obsession with time, memory, and the inevitable coming of disaster and catastrophe. The world in which Odojewski's characters find themselves is a mythical one, a world of great passions, where values undergo continuous erosion. The distinguishing feature of Odojewski's writing is his mastery of the literary craft. The author does not hesitate to experiment with Faulkner's internal monologue, with Joyce's explorations in the world of literary form and with the techniques employed in the French nouveau roman.

"My aim has been to show in my short stories and novels a world that has passed by, so that it does not fade from our memories as well. Thus I have summoned up a past full of human emotions, human suffering, fear, love and hatred, but a past rooted in historical fact as well." (W. Odojewski)

Ironside   
8 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

Does not that hurt a rabid antisemite as you?

What the heck are you talking about ? You are some kind of retard are you ?

our adored Polish Blue Police was selling their Jewish compatriots to the Germans wholesale, and making a profit out of it as well.

really, any prove to support your claims ?

What your point anyway? Ah! I checked your profile - company Troll&Troll - so what your recent screen name trollop ?

I-S (troll on the roll )
Ironside   
8 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

Really?

really!

The Marshal was all in favour of the old Commonwealth...the emancipation of the minorities.

Yeah! Within the borders from 1772.

Dmowski would be proud of you. Hoess also.

Dmowski i Hess? Do understand what you read?

I think.

No, you don't !

Ask any Pole which of his/her neighbours he likes

It BS you cannot like country, people, individuals you have met ...that more like it!
This question about county's like -dislike is all about public imagination :)
Ironside   
8 Aug 2010
Love / Are all beautiful Polish girls as crazy as this? [262]

That was a long,

have you considered that maybe she is not what you are after in relationship and her being beautiful only add to your confusion?
Maybe her emotional outburst are means to get from you honest response - maybe she is i sensing your reservations, you are not even aware of ?
Ironside   
8 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

I think the Old Marshal would spit in your face and Dmowski would be proud of you. Cold Lech as well I think.

I'm sure that both would be relived that such people like myself still exist.

As the cross aliens and the PIS electorate and Polska B - all the same - you all should be proud of the reputation you are giving this country.

What reputation? Are you really Belgian ?
Well, for once people like you should think about your own reputation.
Ironside   
8 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

A question for M-G:

Don't expect an answer M-G says that is not the same - and you should take his word for this - because he says so!

sobieski
no, arguments...:D do you think you could make me tic when I know what a moron you are ?
Ironside   
8 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

Nathan:
great historian of the beginning of 20th century M. Hrushevskyj:

judging from his quote he was flying pig not historian, he should have found himself in the Guinness Book for putting so many lies in two sentences!

Polish occupation is a myth - as for Lwowskie and Podole is Polish land and if Ukrainian doesn't like that, they should move to |Ukraine !

Austrohungary's fault?

yeah!
Ironside   
8 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

IS, you would not hot have your personal copy of 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" in your bookcase? Perhaps a shared one with Nasz Dziennik?

I know now that you are a complete moron, any arguments ?

no, he has a simple case of denial;)

Fake Ukrainian :)

Well, everybody knows that's a forgery

Really ? Any prove?

IS do believe it is the true word of their God.

kiss my back side - you plummeting fool!

Nationalistic simpletons

you mean that your simpletons wherever they may be are better ? ups ! you are simpleton yourself !

Let's just assume Iron is a sad person.

Hey! let's assume that I have different views ! I see you cannot stand that !
Ironside   
6 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

What must I, or for that matter MG - dare?

make definitive moral judgements.
Polish history was biased because of communist regime - soviet occupation !
So, books you could read but those books could lie about certain issues !

there were quite a few Polish jews serving in the division as well

so what?

But I refuse to accept your Dmowski-edition of Polish history.

boo!

I can't help thinking that if they were Polish soldiers rather than Dutch ones, you (and if not you, that would no doubt be Harry) would have put forward the case as an example of the military force being coward in face of the enemy.

exactly my thought , and those events are recent and there no many unknown facts or issues!
What about events which occurred 60 year ago, and were distorted by 40 year of commie propaganda.
I hope that at last now you will get a gist of what I mean and my position - you cannot come and make judgement, who the hell you think you are Mahatma Gandhi ?

For me is a very arrogant position !

I have studied the matter quite thoroughly

Mahatma Gandhi mu ass !:DDD
I-S
Ironside   
5 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

And actually what makes the Ukrainian quest for independence so much different than the Polish quest for independence?

gee :D and you call yourself historian :D

Maybe if you look at it from a Ukrainian perspective, neither occupations would be preferable.

and ? Poles should give them independence on the silver plater then give their very own lands to the equation ( why?) and then look as that independent country crumble under soviets aggression and internal strife - and then Poland is next shrunk and unable to defend herself - I guess we should expect some European country to help us gratuitously- say Germany and then they should give us some of their land to be fair!???

:DDDDDDDDD

I-S ( puzzle solved M-G is Martian !He/It/She has to be!)

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their tragic culmination was the genocide of thousands of Poles in Volhyn region.

that tell you what? crystal ball ?I will call you fairy from now on....
reason for culmination you can guess without the doubt during intercourse - reason for mass murder are not that simple ! Next you are going to say that Jews deserved their fate????

I-S (teachers phew! I hope you don't teach history!?)
Ironside   
4 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

Exactly

exactly what ??

Poland signed an agreement with Lithuania in 1925 too, which it betrayed in 1938 by invading this country.

what are you talking about ?some delusions ?
Ironside   
4 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

Sorry boy, I'm not going to discuss with you anymore. There's no point.

M-G either discus with me or do not discus but for goodness sake stop discussing about whatever you will be discussing with me or not - its madness !

I-S (madness)
Ironside   
4 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

Ever so slightly more than two.

I wasn't talking about you, you are a bastard but you are knowledgeable bastard.

History is the discussions of several viewpoints towards a certain historical event.

Point is that you believe that your viewpoint is better than my viewpoint , and you try to ram it down my throat!
When I baulk, you play victim!
Why do you think that about certain events you know better ? I don't know.
However I'm able to argue from Ukrainian point of view or Jewish point of view, but this modern idea has it faults - where is the truth ? Certainly not in the middle of extreme views.

Categorical and final opinion about one country historical events are not helped by your obvious reluctance to discus certain country;s history and present.
Also you seems to treat lightly Wolyn events, to the point of dismissing it altogether, so forgive me but ignoring facts is not included into the guise of different viewpoint.

I think Americans do this very thing,

Everybody do it or did it! Point is that we discuss many issues here, one thing is historical fact, and quite another its interpretation, and yet another its implications and reasons for it!

Even witnesses could differ in reporting the same fact - great example of it move Rashōmon.
However, I study"Lwow issue" from many angles and for some time and in here I present my conclusions, as for different points of view - there plenty but I have found not one, which is not extreme in itself - and any sane person will agree with me.

Again, let's not forget that we are on the Internet forum !

I-S (see)