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roughly: laseczka (pl laseczki) girl, chick

"ale laseczki!" roughly "Those chicks are hot!"

jakie laseszki can be similar (sounds weaker to my non-native ear) or a question "what kind of girls/chicks?"

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It's like an economic graph that suddenly plunges downward - Guess when the socialists took power!

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Who decides who is an "exploiter" or not? Especially with the rule of law in tatters?


You can't hammer entrepreneurs and build up a class of entrepreneurs at the same time. Cannot be done. It's a fantasy and not implementable policy.


What about Polish exploiters? As has been explained numerous times many would rather not work for Polish companies because of the history of nepotism and connections prevailing over competence.

Vulgar marxist rhetoric might make some people feel better but the road to prosperity is long and winding with many setbacks and is best followed at a slow pace with the rule of law, there are no quick fixes and Big Daddy government cna't make the foreign bogeymen disappear.

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source?

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I think PiS voters still think of entrepreneurs much the say way that the PRL thought about prwyaciarze

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That'll show the układ! ..... somehow

Economic gravity -

The more restrictions you put on employment, the less employment there will be.

The more tax you collect from entrepreneurs the fewer entrepreneurs there will be.

The more you keep out foreign capital the less domestic capital there will be.

In other words there ain't no such thing as a free lunch - but PiS keeps telling voters there is (to be fair they're not the only party that does that but no other party is as self-righteous about it).

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nothing I've ever heard them say convinces me of that. Where are you getting it? And "repolonizing" banks is less important to entrepreneurs than rule of law and predictability.

Talking about breaking the "układ" (system) creates instability and businesses run from that as fast as they can (escept for a few shysters). Who's to say that respectable businessperson employing 14 people won't be targetted by the government as part of the "układ"?

If you want to create a business friendly environment you stick with the rule of law even when it's not so fun. Like swearing in the three members of the TK that were legitimately chosen and the first two whose oaths were accepted by the president.


More Russia Today talk. And, if you haven't noticed (of course you haven't you don't know people living in Poland) you'd know that many young Poles would rather work for foreign companies (so hated by PiS) because they're more likely to have clear guidelines for job evaluation and promotion. Polish companies are notorious for promoting on the basis of nepotism and connections rather than merit.

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blah blah blah those are Russia Today talking points, why are you so in favor of a party that's so closely in line with Putinite goals?

I'm in favor of what works and not much of what PiS is proposing has a good track record. The real danger in Poland (which if you actually lived here you'd know) is the creation of an underclass of undereducated and unemployable people. And no, this is not PO's fault but a decades long breakdown in social cohesion which most parties (including PiS) are exacerbating.

None of the parties (including PiS) is willing to talk about this in public or talk about possible remedies which would not be popular with the core PiS voters who are more interested in government handouts than doing the work necessary to improve life in Poland.

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See, I'm not crazy about those things either but literally not a single thing PiS has done so far indicates any desire to tackle those kinds of issues. Instead there's a lot of empty demagoguic puffery and no actual actions that don't make things worse.

PiS's victory is rapidly turning into a consolation boobie prize for people instead of any real change on any real issue that matters.

Again, I'm a fiscal conservative, social liberal (though not a crazy post-modern SJW or anything like that) and I'm in favor of moderate nationalism and a somewhat scaled back EU (and no more "european intergration" oh god, please no more of that).

How would PiS (assuming I could vote which I can't) further my preferences?

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Then why is PiS making it so easy for opponents? Not very clever if you ask me.


Is this really somewhere you want to go?


PiS (in it's current incarnation which is still its old incarnation) cannot survive without the polarization. It's whole platform is a rejection of all modernity and a desire to return to a Poland that never existed.

If the toxic elders stepped aside then maybe the younger (so to speak) generation could morph into a more traditional Christian Democrat party and approach modernity in a more... realistic fashion.

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No, but the longer the PiS government continues to flout the law with impunity the more bridges it is burning.


Sick fantasy


Well if PiS unleashes force against peaceful protesters then it will have done horrible damage to the Polish nation. Is that what you want?


PiS is the driver of the current deepening divide. All it has to do is follow the law and the protests will die down.


How so? And if so, shouldn't the PiS government have thought of that before setting aside rule of law for rule of party?

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The first is a bit extreme. I'd settle for publication of the TK rulings and accepting the oaths of the three judges legitimately appointed by PO (as well as the first two of the five selected by PiS, that is the first two whose oaths he accpeted).

The longer the government refrains from doing those two things then the more likely that those two things won't be enough.

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No one (that i know of) is attacking the legitimacy of the Polish government (they won the elections fair and square). They are criticizing the actions of the government which are against the constitution (in letter and spirit).

People protesting against government actions (any government) are a sign of a healthy society engaged in the political process.

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A little late for calling for respect of rule of law now. The fraudsters and slick and slimy personalities disguising themselves as defenders of the nation are exposed for the party hacks they are (to use your own rhetoric against you).

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Merged: What's the deal with warnings?

I got my second warning (oooooh I'm sooooo scared!) but I'm puzzled as to why. I can't think of anything in particular that I wrote recently that was worse than what regular posters (like p3) get away with.

Is it too much to ask for a OM on just what the warning was about? Or are they passed out like candy so that's feasible? Is there a policy or is it moderator whim (the only explanation I can think of). You may visit your profile and find out the meaning of 'O.'

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gotta cite for that?

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As opposed to PiS's restrained "let's give them a chance" approach?

You really have no idea what life on the ground in Poland is like. Move to Poland a live here for a few years and then pontificate about what's going on.

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They don't want to be repressed they want Polish society to be made up of powerful oppressors and a valiant doomed resistance (they certainly want PiS to fail). It's all about clinging to identity-forming myths and the rejection of modernity (and I'm not crazy about a lot of modernity but they carry it to and beyond extremes).

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Of course he is, he can't stand the idea of Polish people not being oppressed. For many pseudo Poles their whole identity is built around being oppressed and they wont' give that up easily.

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Give it up, a member accused me of a crime repeatedly (before retracting the accusations) and that thread is still here despite my repeated requests for it to be deleted.

As the starter of this thread, you should keep it on topic. At the moment it doesn't seem like you care.

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Thinking... wouldn't that overturn the idea that the TK is just doing POs bidding?

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That would be disgraceful on their part, and I would condemn that in very strnog terms. I look forward to seeing a link to the article.


It has no chance of ever existing unless it's followed, even when inconvenient or frustrating.

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Says the foreigner.

I'd like to here a defense of what PiS is doing vis a vis the TK that is not based on "the ends justify the means" Will I ever actually get that?

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That ain't an answer to what I'm a' askin'


There is no such thing as a perfect non-biased institution.


And what point of law were they basing that on?

I'm in favor of rule of law and not rule of party.

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You're not answering the question.


Is that an insinuation?

Answer the question, would you be comfortable if a party you don't like that was doing what PiS is doing now?

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Because that affects the country I have chosen to call home.

Have you chosen to call Poland home? Why worry about what happens there?

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I would have no issue whatsoever with PiS had the party followed the TK (Duda swore in the three who's selection was ruled to be constitutionally sound) and then the first two of the PiS selected candidates that Duda swore in.

That's called rule of law.

The iron test: Would you support what PiS is doing (now) if PO (or any other party) were doing it?

That is, are you supporting what PiS is doing because they're PiS or because of legitimate rule of law considerations? Everything else is irrelevant.

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There's nothing wrong with protesting a "legtimiate government" if people disagree with their policies.


From my point of view, the ones actively working to subvert the rule of law are the enemies.

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Almost all political parties in Poland are vehicles to power for a single leader, even ones that start off as more or less normal parties turn into that pretty quickly. SLD and PSL are the exceptions and they're not doing well.

Does anyone expect that Duda or Szydło will survive their first disagreement with JK or that would survive if they develop a base of power in the party?

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I reckon he might could at that. What is this "write like a hillbilly day"?

I'm really not invested in the longterm survival of PO (I'm glad they were able to stop the madness of the first PiS government but no, as my dear grandmother would say they're as useless as t|ts on a boar hog. If it's Nowoczesna's turn then I'm fine with that, as I keep saying I'm fiscally more conservative, socially more liberal (realistically given the makeup of Polish society) and against further European integration (without dumping the baby out with the bath). If any Polish party is on board with that then I'm on board with them, if not I'll go with the lesser of various evils.

An interesting question is will this PiS government actively energize younger voters against them the way the first did? Unless they turn their attention to job creation and have some success my answer is no.