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So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [158]
Ethnic cleansing of the German population ... BUT the Russians were responsible, and the Germans fled anyway.
Fine, let deal with that first.
You use incorrect term of
ethnic cleaning to describe what happened after 1945.
Ethnic cleansingis a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areasWhereas you are talking about:
Population transfer is the movement of a large group of people from one region to another by state policy or international authority, most frequently on the basis of ethnicity or religion.Term ethnic cleansing is new term, adopted after civil war in Yugoslavia.
Population transfer was a legal measure in the eyes of the international law until 1949. When such transfer if involuntary lost blessing of legality.
If you want fair and honest discussion on the subject you cannot use such imprecise or/and prejudiced language.
Primo, Russia, Britain and USA are directly responsible for so called expulsion of Germans, that is unquestionable fact - do you want to argue this????
Secondly that fate was at the time shared by other nations including Poles. More, Germans first used expulsion against Poles kicking them out from parts of the occupied Poland.
Thirdly, German civilians flee in the face of advancing Red Army.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II
Well, it happened, do you want Poles to apologize or feel responsible for that eh?
Pomerania and Silesia were annexed ... BUT we Poles weren't asked, and since the Piasts (or whatever they were called) owned the lands 10,000 years ago we call them regained territories anyway.
Well, Poles weren't asked. However I fully support that acquisition of Prussian territories for a number of reasons.
Nevertheless that argument would be a strong one if not for one single detail - at the same time Poland lost even bigger territory to Soviets.
There were labor camps in Poland after the war which came very close to what is considered a concentration camp
That is not argument that admittance of being ignorant - those labor camps were used for Poles from patriotic and notable families, at the same time officers and soldiers of Polish forces, heroes of Resistance against Germans were being fight, imprisoned and murdered. Poland turned into Soviet colony. Those who were running and directing labor camps were criminals and traitors who should be shot.
You do not expect seriously Poles to take responsibility for that eh?
There is always an excuse - never ever do certain people on PF admit that their own country might have some skeletons in its historical closet, too.
Yeah, I agree on that, Poles have a tendency to deny some facts. I think due to complexes and wannabe MR Nice obsession :)
I can admit whatever there is skeletons or not, but you must be serious about it. I will not admit something just because you think I should ie skeleton must be there !:)
All this ends up in the Google index for everybody out there to find and read
by all means the google are answer to everything :)
