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Ironside   
4 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

Do they need any provoking to post rubbish or insults or whatever?

Do you?
You are delusional if you think that you are better than me!

Sobieski points out a good and true point and Iron gets defensive and insulting immediately.

Point is that he is foreigner who read one maybe two books about the issue and then he comes here and make definitive moral judgements.

Most of these "facts" were fruit of communist propaganda.
How dare he ? How dare you?
Write a book about it - historical book then it something to be discussed - not some empty statements.
I think that Sobieski have some connection to Poland and want to settle some scores !

This is the same Ironside that starts crying immediately when you make a sarcastic remark.

You do much more than that and you do it all the time if somebody firmly disagree with you. I don't care but you always make a big deal out of it ! Dubious standards again!?

Ziemowit
People like what? Who know the world and its ways ?
Who do not take a shit just because it comes from foreigner?
Who knows worth and value of polish traditions and history?
Who knows history of Poland a lot better than high school program?
Ironside   
4 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

You're sick.

Well, don't you agree with my attitude ? I agree that Poles and Ukrainians issues are no so imminent, nobody dies now !
In case of Israel people are killed daily - your moral compass is right !
However thread topic is about historical issues.

Sad, adjusting my quote and changing it into sth completely different

Oh no ! See, you were writing about something completely different - if you would put in the place of Israel and Palestinians name that of Poland and Ukrainians it would be a absolute gibberish, double Dutch and so on ..because it simply doesn't no fit, history, circumstances. So I realised that you are writing about something else - and bingo!

Fits like a skin !

Now, don't discuss with me anymore.

Well, I'll grant you your wish if you are so afraid to discus issues but I'll comment nevertheless.

You're not smart enough to do so.

that not nice M-G but I understand the pressure you are undergoing - because of your Jewish origin everyone expect you to be smart, let me help you - shmondac is Jewish expression I believe.

Goodbye Iron, sad little boy.

Goodbye MareG, the greatesthypocriteIhaveeverknown, I like you nevertheless, believe it or not I have shed a tear, sad thing thought, enmity over historical issue, well ?!

I've been patient with you enough.

thank you kindly, patients is a virtue seldom seen.

Iron is a sad mofo)

Well, what mofo means ? is that some kind of sophisticated insult ?
Ironside   
3 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

So you mean your ancestors were part of this outfit?

I'll tell you when you'll tell me about your ancestor !

Or maybe of the Blue Police ?(

What do you have against Police were your ancestors criminals ?
Never heard the song - She wore Blue uniform ?
Ironside   
3 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

@sobieski
lies and propaganda!
I bet your ancestor was commie and when he run away one day, he started to pretend to be somebody else !
Ironside   
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

With Poles we made so many compromises in history that this is simply ridiculous.

Who ? what ? and where ?

This is why you are angels

this is old!Are you jealous? Don't worry Poles will do some ethic cleansing and we'll be even and bad ! what says you?

I want to see you prove something for a change,

You were talking about informative thread and latter about blame, excuses and all !
Make up your mind!
Ironside   
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

The Polish view might need some adjusting here and there. But you're not, I can tell you that.

I'm not - what? I'm not presenting Polish view? Says who Dutch ? speaking double Dutch again are you?

Thankfully I am neither.

don't flatter yourself !

Oh I am neutral. Neutral means you point out all sides good and bad of both sides.

Well, I have no chance to point out bad sides on PF everyone (at last the strong bunch ) are jumping in quest to do it first!

And I have pointed out quite a few times the wrong of Israeli politics.

Really? I didn't notice!Anyway is not only about Israel, for you Jews can never done or be wrong !

mean strict obedience to the Polish version of history,

Its not about version is about interpretation - and unfortunately about facts!
I cannot bend when you get facts wrong !

there is simply no decent discussing with you,

OH? Well, maybe you are not able to discus - but is not fault of mine !!!
Is not that I say - no, no, no .....all the time as you would like to believe, anyway discussion is exchange of views not M-G talks and not the rest nods and admire !

iron is boring)

don't be afraid !
Ironside   
3 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [141]

i do not understand a single word of that.

I'm not surprised! To make is simple - most stories about American Revolution are myths !
Ironside   
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

Polonization

Sure, there were some short lived attempts of polonization, and I think it shouldn't have happened, however it doesn't change the crux of the matter - it was and should be Polish territory, everyone is welcome as long as they respect it !

Ukrainians didn't wanted compromise but all and more, so they got nothing.
They trusted arms to gain their goal - and their lost!
While Poland were under Nazi and Soviet occupation - they saw their chance and lost for ever chance to claim that justice is on their side !

All attempts on justification of Volyn is only the way of digging your own moral grave!
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what does that make you towards Poles? Ah, completely neutral, impartial and honest?

Well, honest when it comes to the facts, also impartial but when it comes to interpretation I'm presenting Polish view - I do not pretend like you to be absolutely impartial and neutral !

Most normal readers know that I am a credible person. The smart ones do.

Above could only flatter insecure ones and not that smart !

Summum = latin and means the same as Summit, the utmost, the ultimate and so on.
(always glad to educate)

thank you !
From my throne of Summum Incredibility I salute you King of Double Standards with one finger salute :D
Ironside   
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

Absolute nonsense.

absolute ?no! I don't care to prove that point, nevertheless it was insulting (I mean treaty )
and infringement into independent state affairs.

I know already that I am credible,

absolutely not - you are not credible - you can cry about rights, justice, racism and humanism and all that but when it comes to Jews you are 100% side-taker - I don't think you should be giving moral or other advice to others!

I don't need to prove that towards the summum of incredibility.

You don't need to prove that to me, I wouldn't expect it! The readers on the other hand could have some doubts about your standing and credibility.

What does summum means ?
incredibility - really ? Why because I do not view the world your way?Now, that mighty intolerant !

I did not know who you had in mind. You need to be more specific.

OUN

do you have another one?

String by which "old powers" could control or attempt to control "new" states - like Greece, Poland and others !

where did they live, in space lol

area - are you not familiar with this word?

POland should have never been insulted by signing the Threaty

correct !

but it did

political necessity - you as an Ukrainian know nothing about !
In 1918 you choose all and got nothing - but you have easer, you blame Poles !

Germans and Jews?

doesn't matter it is side issue !

I was not aware that there was Jewish lobby at that time

yeah ! American - Jews !

I haven't seen any proof that this happened,

OH ? I'm sure if it was about Jews being victims, you wouldn't need any prove, would
you?!

The real reason

Sometimes you should pause and think before you start flapping the big mug of yours,!
Ironside   
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

minorities rebelled,

yeah Germans and Ukrainians - but the former had no state, previous statehood experiences and had no means or chance to existed as independent state - not enough educated people.

I guess they would be content to live as Germany dependent state.
Well, rebels get what they deserve you cannot expect for Poland to go along with their crazy claims ?

Poland intitially claimed to protect those minorities

As long as they are loyal - see?

to avoid confusion next time.

confusion as to what - that what their were and proud of it!

My interpretation is: Poland became a country, on the condition (among others) that it will respect minorities

that is your interpretation is not good enough !

respect minorities within its territory

area they are living in ....there no such thing as their territory !

How do you explain the renouncement of said Threaty

The treaty it was an insult to Poland, no other country (Germany) were bound by external rules !They can all shove it !
Nobody is doing something out of charity in politics - where were those "noble" country's when Poles needed them ?
Anyway they all France, Britain and USA had colonies at the time!
Treaty was work of German and Jewish lobby, because they were afraid of reprisals against those minority's by the Polish state or citizens - which itself is insulting !

The Polish nationalism had to be contained.

sure, they are responsible for Volyn massacre! Did someone mentioned Jews ? not yet ? well you are slow today!
M-G that is precious ! Now you should condemn Israel to be credible !
Ironside   
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

The relations between Poles and Ukrainians in interwar Poland reminds me a lot of the relations between Israelis and Palestinians.

I don't give a darn what it remains you! It could for that mater reminds you your traumatic experiences in Shop Mall !
Gee! I have nothing personally against you but how stupid one can be and absolutely unaware of it!

Think - what is difference between Polish claims and Germans or Israel ?
Thing hard ! Be bright this time - or do not complain latter that Ironside is too harsh to you!

However I support Israel - they should crave a one territory( instead of patches) and give it to Palestinians , rest such incorporate into their state and be done with it - no more killing!

I guess murderding 60 people and robbing some banks is lightweight for an ukrainian.

aperitif I would say before main meal !
Ironside   
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

and the Polish state obviously did not,

good, it is Polish land - anybody can thrive there after they get this one right !
Ukrainians had and have problem with it - should had move to soviet Ukraine - much better I gather !

o the Russians are to blame for this one?

Are you talking about blame ? I thought you said is pure information value thread !?

in 1938? What terrorists do you have in mind.

Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists look it up !

After preliminary meetings in Berlin in 1927 and Prague in 1928, at the founding congress in Vienna in 1929 the veterans of the UVO and the student militants met in Vienna and united to form the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists. Although most of its members were Galician youths, its first leader was Yevhen Konovalets and its leadership council, the Provid, was composed mostly of veterans and was based abroad.

the OUN accepted violence as a political tool against foreign and domestic enemies of their cause. Most of its activity was directed against Polish politicians and government representatives. Under the command of the Western Ukrainian Territorial Executive (established February 1929), the OUN carried out hundreds of acts of sabotage in Galicia and Volhynia, including a campaign of arson against Polish landowners (which helped provoke the 1930 Pacification), boycotts of state schools and Polish tobacco and liquor monopolies, dozens of expropriation attacks on government institutions to obtain funds for its activities, and some sixty assassinations.

The rest you can find !???
Ironside   
3 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [141]

i'd love to hear some Ironside, ole' buddy ole' pal!

well, its not right thread isn't it?

But Founding Fathers - they role and real people behind mystical masks !
- oppression by the British
- reasons of the American Revolution
Generally misty down of the glorious republic !
there - have some ....

Polish is all a victim nation,

huh ? what does it mean ?
Ironside   
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

Why do you keep bringing up the events in Wołyń

Well, many Ukrainians weren't loyal to the polish state, their terrorist organization killed minister and were responsible for :
O zamieszkach inspirowanych przez Ukraińców Józef Piłsudski, ówczesny premier, wypowiadał się następująco: „podpaleń, sabotaży, napadów, gwałtów w Małopolsce Wschodniej nie wolno traktować jak jakieś powstanie, unikać rozlewu krwi, natomiast stosować w razie dobrowolnego czy niedobrowolnego popierania zamętu przez ludność, represje polityczne, a gdzie to pomoże- kwaterunek wojskowy, ze wszystkimi ciężarami związanymi z nim. Sama obecność wojska uniemożliwi zamachowcom terroryzowanie ludności.

No, state can tolerate such a situation !

As to churches - it was seen as action to reverse results of many years of forcible removing of Polish culture and element by Russia .

Ukrainian terrorists were supported by German state.
Ironside   
3 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

Insurrection some "patriots" found the time to murder jews which had survived the Ghetto Uprising in 1943.

what do you know, maggot?

My greatest sympathy for victims of Poles is mostly the blotched way of dealing with Ruthenians in the VII century and how it eventually helped cause the Deluge, and with the Lithuanians, Czechs, and especially the Ukrainians during the XXth.

Why ? Show me an example of dealing with such occurrences differently ?

two cretins

cretins ? do you intent to show how much more refined you are ?
well, this cretin salutes you :D
History -At last you got it right !!!!

You've unfortunately missed my balanced replies

Oh yes! self-propagating is the game ! :D

Amen.

What was that??????jonni? i don't recognize you..

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Ironside   
2 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

would you like me to point you out to some sources? I would be happy:)

happy ? why?
you will find it! - Akcja rewindykacji cerkwi prawosławnych w II Rzeczypospolitej

Well, that's what I've been saying. Times were different then and we can't judge so precisely by the prevailing conditions of today.

Yeah, it was reaction on Russian policy during times of the partition!
Mainly ....
Ironside   
2 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

my point was to prove that this particular action was precisely scripted by the Polish government and implemented. I also found out that the action has started much earlier then 1938,

You could ask me! You can also ask for my interpretation because as you know (should know) facts are not enough to understand reasons and implication of an historical process.

Well, nobody deny it ! (like some Ukrainians Wolyn massacre, sorry )
I would like to ask you why did you deem important to point out such action, for what reason exactly ?

excuse for destroying churches.

according to nowadays standards but nevertheless is done