News / Referendum to decide about exotic immigrants in Poland [559]


Oh, so they are Polish patriots but their voters are homo sovieticuses?

Pawian, pawian, pawian... you are getting older. Sorry for quoting the news again but...

News / Referendum to decide about exotic immigrants in Poland [559]


Of course.

You call PiS Soviet Homoerectuses whilst they did exactly what you think true Polish patriots should have done: supported Ukraine to the point of accepting fully your logic of "Ukraine's independence = Poland's independence" (and they even said exactly that on numerous occasions).

So, who are they? Soviet homo pavianuses or true Polish patriots? hahaha :D

News / Referendum to decide about exotic immigrants in Poland [559]


You think Macierewicz is a "traditional element"? You are surely forgetting what this man did when he was the Defence Minister. His actions were so ridiculous and damaging to Polish Armed Forces that even Americans said that they won't sell us even a pump-action shotgun as long as he's the minister. Plus, all the young feminine boys that he likes to surround himself with... I would call him everything but traditionalist.


It doesn't take a crystal ball to know that Totaloppositionsfuhrer Tusk would follow exactly the German line in everything. Which - in this case - might actually be a good thing. :)

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@jon357

It is all good and well, Joni, but the question I asked Pawian - in the light of the above facts - is: are PiS such horrid Soviet homo-something as he tries to picture them. :)

I'm not defending them - God forbid. I am merely trying to understand the multitudinous inconsistencies in Pawian's worldview.

@pawian


The opposition ambassador would do exactly what the German ambassador have done. :) I am not saying it's a bad thing. The opposition under Tusk's reaction would have been exactly the German reaction at the beginning of this war, because they are basically a German party. Again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. :)

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But it is PiS who gave your beloved Ukrainians child benefits, full access to free health service, 30% of our weapons and ammunition stock and in general 2% of Polish GDP. :)

It is PiS, whose ambassador was the only one in the world who stayed in Kiev when Russian army was approaching it; the same ambassador Cichocki whom your beloved Ukrainians called to reprimand on 1st August, the anniversary of Warsaw Uprising. :)

So, what's the story, Pawianos? Are they Soviet homo-erectuses or Polish patriots who understand that "Ukrainian independence=Polish independence" hahaha xD

Life / In Poland on holiday - need help with bad case of homesickness [108]


Offer her your advice then and let her choose which one she prefers.


You have a rather low view of people, don't you? Integrating as much as possible into the culture and heritage of a country you emigrate to is quite different from hating your own. Eventually, it has to lead to weakening links with your native heritage and embracing the new one. Yes, "forget" might be too strong a word but in general I think my advice is sound: don't be torn between two countries, either come back to Poland or integrate more strongly with Britain and weaken your links with Poland. Don't torture yourself.

I had a good job and great friends in Ireland. But when the longing hit me, I took the chance and came back. Of course, it was easier for me to come back after 3 years than it would be for Lenka after 15.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


Really? Does the monument of a soldier who died fighting here - so that these lands could be taken away from nazis and given to Poland - really say "here is OUR land, here WE rule"? Are we really so scared and insecure that we have to be afraid of monuments? Monuments that depict common Polish-Russian victories over an existential enemy of both our nations?


The point is - I don't believe that's the message. For me the message, especially like with the one in Dąbie where both Polish and Russian soldiers were on the monument, was one of fighting together against a common enemy. You may, of course, argue that Soviets were also an enemy but for the difference between these two enemies see #256. In short, Soviets were an ideological enemy who wanted to dominate Poland but weren't a threat to biological survival of our nation; what Germans did and planned to do, I don't think I have to remind anyone here.

But I realise that these two points of view are quite irreconcilable so I see no sense in labouring the point to death and arguing incessantly. You know my opinion and that's all I have to say about this.

Life / In Poland on holiday - need help with bad case of homesickness [108]


Because I don't want her to be miserable. To live in constant longing, to feel that she made a mistake...

I said that I gave the advice with sad heart but reading this thread it seems the only way to save her from ever growing longing and misery.


No, not like Novi. I don't want her to hate Poland and Poles.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


Before WW2 Poland had 35 million people. In 1945, there were 23 million Poles in PRL. Until late 1980s there were 40 million of us.

How many Poles would be left if nazis weren't crushed by Soviets? Does Generalplan Ost ring a bell?

Life / In Poland on holiday - need help with bad case of homesickness [108]

@Lenka

Come back to Poland.

But...

... if you really don't think that coming back to Poland is a viable solution for you, then you have to try and "turn into a Brit" as much as possible. Travel a lot in the UK, familiarize yourself with British heritage, culture and literature (you probably already did this, but make even deeper study), read "Britain" magazine, maybe enroll to a university course in British literature or something etc.

Try to convince yourself that the UK is a better place for you than Poland, and try to forget Poland as much as possible (I give this advice with sad heart).

Otherwise you will be miserable. And with passing time it will get even worse. If you want to stay there, stay there. But not as a Pole who happens to live in Britain but as a 1st generation Brit who happens to come from Poland, if you know what I mean.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


It's not a huge issue but it just doesn't seem right. Leaders, politicians, generals etc. - f*ck 'em. But leave simple soldiers alone. Atrocities were commited by a minority of degenerates; the rest of them gave their lives to crush nazis and banderists. If they hadn't done that, we wouldn't be having this conversation here today (we all remember what Generalplan Ost was, right?).


AntV is American, why should he use British spelling?


As far as atrocities against civilians are concerned, they are relatively low in this war...

statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/

There have been about 10,000 civilian casualties in a year and a half of the war. Compare that to 100,000 Polish civilian casualties in just one month in 1939. That's 10 times fewer people in 18 times longer time period.

@AntV

This is exactly what you called it - "irrational hatred". The amount of vile hateful crap that has been spouted is staggering. Unheard of in case of many other conflicts with much higher civilian casualties.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


Soviets did nothing to my ancestors. Banderists and nazis did. They cut off a big armful of branches from my family tree. One tends to remember such things.

And then Soviets and LWP did something to banderists and nazis. I would be an ingrateful bastard if I didn't feel certain measure of gratitude.

Also, I live in Ziemie Odzyskane and have lived here all my life (with the exception of 3 years in Ireland) - this is my Poland. The Poland that Soviets and LWP took from the nazis and gave to us. You keep talking about selected war crimes and about rapes - how many of the 600,000 fallen soldiers commited them? Why do you want to treat the memory of all of them - more than half-a-million - on the basis of what a minority of degenerates did?

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


Stop living in a parallel universe; people who are against historical barbarism and destroying monuments commemorating simple soldiers who fought and died for Polish lands, hand-in-hand with Polish soldiers, are hardly "Soviet lovers". But you know this, you are just displaying your usual pawianism again. Typical.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


Oh, yeah? Well, I have bad news for you, Pawian - straight from Newsweek Special Edition hahaha...

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]


Nationalists won't vote for PiS. PiS spat them in the face for too long for them to now fall for their silly pre-election tricks. They will vote for Konfederacja (a reasonably pro-Russian party). This is about something else.

This is about PiS' iron electorate - their most faithful voters.

Where do they come from, Pawian? They come from Закерзоння, to use this lovely Ukrainian word :) The entire Закерзоння is the bastion of PiS. The opposition has nothing to seek there. Unfortunately for PiS - and fortunately for Poland - Polish people living in those "ancient Ukrainian lands", long-suffering and patient as they are, got sick and tired of the constant, unconditional support for Mr Zelensky (who, among other things, likes to grant UPA veterans the titles of Hero of Ukraine).

Now, PiS realised that they are about to lose a large chunk of their iron voter base, and decided to play this silly "diplomatic conflict with Ukraine" theatre. If they win the elections, the licking of Ukrainian arses will resume with double strength. That's why they have to go - and with this you will surely agree? :)


This is correct to some extent but I wouldn't say "only people". PSL definitely has to go back to their folk ethos, go back to their Witos-deep roots. They have to reconnect with peasants, the salt of Polish earth. That's why rejecting Agrounia and sticking with Hołownia - the weirdest guy in Polish politics since... since... no, I'll just say the weirdest guy in Polish poltics - was such a ridiculous own goal; almost suicidal.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


They were ordinary people: farmers, drivers, school teachers. They had no more power to decide whom their country fights than their American or Polish counterparts.


Jesus Christ...

...I mean really, pawian. Wtf is wrong with you???


Polish patriots support what is best for Poland but even the occasional nationalists among them (a minority) don't have your level of hatred. Wtf???

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Such a specialist in Polish matters as you should now that "where there are two Poles, there are three opinions", and four political parties. :)

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]


To win control over the city, push Germans out, and welcome entering Soviets as hosts of the already liberated capital.

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]


And to think that in the initial phase of the Uprising in many units only 1 in 20 insurgents had any firearm. :(

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]


Which Kosiniak-Kamysz described as intentional shift of the party towards a "broader voter base". The sad reality, however, is that PiS simply owned them in the countryside.

The alliance with Agrounia was their only chance to win the peasants back. It's now gone. :-/

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They have their cherished opinion polls and act accordingly.

The problem is that I bet Agrounia is severely undervalued in those polls, as opposed to Polska 2050. Besides, what does Hołownia (he is neither a peasant nor a member of intelligentsia) have to do with traditional folk party?

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]


The most reactionary ever. Deeply religious, ferociously stubborn (if that even collocates), distrustful of change, ostracizing anyone trying to "do things in a different way". But also humble, tough and long-suffering.

In other words, the best choice for difficult times.

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Yes, this hunger for power is ever more evident with PSL. But still, they are peasants: commonsensical, down to earth, never leaning towards any extremes - a decent centrist party. Whom else to vote for in these crazy times?

But I can't get over their alliance with Hołownia... there is something seriously dodgy about this guy.

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Like good soldier Svejk? Old school :)

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


... and I thought we agreed that monuments of Lenin, Stalin, leaders and generals should go but those of ordinary soldiers should be left alone. They fought hand-in-hand with our troops against the common enemy and 600,000 of them gave their lives taking Poland back from the nazis.

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It might have been unwanted but during this alliance Polish population grew from 23 million in 1945 to 40 million in late 1980s. Also, Polish industry, farming and science developed to levels unreached before.

But this is a subject for a different thread, I suppose.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


What do you mean? Removing the fallen soldiers from the monument, sort of like Yezhov was removed from the photo with Stalin? I don't think I like such idea of falsifying history very much.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


But they have been very Polish for the last 80 years or so.

Now, when Putin is undermining the Polish right to those lands with his statements about "Stalin's gift", PiS is indirectly doing the same by razing the monuments of soldiers - including Polish ones - who fought for those lands. :-/

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]

I am so annoyed with PSL these days. They had unique chance to break the alliance with this weirdo Hołownia and take in Agrounia. It would win them immense number of votes in the countryside and incorporate the new peasant movement (similar somewhat to Samoobrona). They would easily get over the 5% treshold for single party this way; with Hołownia, the 8% for coalition is doubtful.

Thanks to this, PiS will again win in the countryside. What was Kosiniak-Kamysz thinking of??? :-/

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


By razing this monument PiS is indirectly undermining the Polishness of Ziemie Odzyskane. Mind boggling.

Also, they hate Szczecin, Gdańsk and the entire Pomerania, because they lose every election here...



... they would prefer the entire Poland to be Podlasie and Podkarpacie, so that they could rule forever. There is a nice surprise in store for them in October.