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Exactly! Leftists can demand revolution and openly call for radicalism to change the society....it's all okay....

Maybe they really should start the legal proceedings for a ban and the real Verfassungsgericht will show them all how ridiculous that is.
If the gov truly has nothing else but strong opinions about muslims that is no way that the AfD will be banned for this alone...

But hey....in other news....we now at least have a new Chancellor....if this new gov holds longer than a year needs to be seen though!

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Not liking muslims! "Disregarding human dignity" is enough to be banned in Germany (at least in the eyes of some)....


tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/afd-verfassungsschutz-rechtsextremismus-100.html

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Wow......just in.....Merz not voted to Chancellor!!!! O_O

Failure! CDU leader Friedrich Merz failed to secure the required majority in the Bundestag in the first round of voting - and will no longer be chancellor today.

316 YES votes were required. But the result was different: 310 MPs voted YES, 307 NO, there were three abstentions, and one invalid vote.

Merz was six votes short of a majority.A historic defeat!

bild.de/politik/inland/friedrich-merz-erreicht-keine-mehrheit-liveticker-zur-kanzlerwahl-680e424c7ebb0418fb752600

This voting was actually only a formality....and now Germany is rudderless....the old Chancellor got his great farewell yesterday.....

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Can you think of a socialist regime that has turned out well?

If one gets another and third and fourth chance, the other should too, no? ;)


...ooooh...now I get it....*slaps forehead* :)

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...that seems to be same for all our western countries right now!


In this new gov nobody expects much from the left SPD, and her rival, "Die Linke", is by far not strong enough to be a real threat, and "Die Grünen" just lost to much of former public support....but it's more or less the last chance for the CDU, or her rival the "AfD" will take over her place in the political landscape of Germany with even more lotsa former CDU-voter!

So Merz HAS to deliver....the next 100 days will show!


...this "report" could very well be the end of any further career Mrs. Faeser planned. What she did just doesn't look smart....

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Farage - anti Islam


Farage - anti EU

You are confusing Jon....but hey, that might turn out rather well also, give him a chance! :)

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Better try to avoid the mocking and downtalking again, Jon....

That all reminds me mightily at the whole Brexit-Chaos....Farage started so tiny...a mocked outsider, nobody "serious" took him seriously in the beginning....but he got only bigger and bigger and bigger till he won in the End.

I can't help thinking this one follows the same pattern....

PS: It seems these so called populists everywhere keep winning with exact these patterns....(and the so called "serious people" have only to blame themselves!)

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That's the thing here...

...By definition of the law, all Member States of the European Union are safe third countries.
....

Accordingly, asylum seekers can be sent back to safe third countries with neither an asylum application, nor an application for international or national protection being considered. Today the safe third country concept has its main impact at land borders.[3] Federal Police shall refuse entry if a foreigner, who has entered from a safe third country, requests asylum at the border.....

asylumineurope.org/reports/country/germany/asylum-procedure/the-safe-country-concepts/safe-third-country/

That is our law!!! Still during the last 5 years we received, fed, clothed, housed and paid nearly 1.000.0000 immigrants wanting/getting refugee status.

de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/76095/umfrage/asylantraege-insgesamt-in-deutschland-seit-1995/

So...these refugees shouldn't even be here!


He can apply what he wants....since coming through a safe third state he should never achieve refugee status...so absolutely no need to treat him like one....

Something is so totally wrong here....

Anyhow...what a dreary topic...I have to leave now, till tomorrow!

*waves*

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How many immigrants do you get in Poland? (Ukrainians doesn't count)

Usually Poland is one of those walk-through-countries, for immigrants wanting to go to german money...or else they would happily stay in Poland!


Better said: benefits = pull factor!

There are two possibilities:

1.) Cut out german welfare for newcomers....only the usual necessities (bed and food)

2.) Follow our asylum law to the point at last, meaning nobody having been in another safe country before is allowed in

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Okay....when the Admin cuts my posts to nearly nothing it's time to bow out! Admin made the link clickable ;

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Read this link....its info from our gov for the immigrants, no AfD propaganda:

https://infomigrants.net/en/post/53009/germany-how-much-welfare-do-asylum-seekers-get-and-is-it-a-pull-factor

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Nobody has to starve....they would just go elsewhere....they wouldn't come here! That's the point....

Our law also says in summary that no asylum seeker crossing into german territory has any right of asylum since he already moved through
at least one peaceful, democratic, SAFE country!

Actually, following that law Germany doesn't has to take in ANYBODY coming here as we are surrounded by SAFE countries....but nobody seems to care about this law at all! Why is that?

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No other country goes to the same extremes! No other lawful, democratic country....not even our neighbours....not the EU....not Canada...not Australia....

Immigrants wander through lotsa peaceful, lawful countries coming to us, through our neighbours, because they know they only get here so much free money and support from the state...why have only we these laws?

Would that really be un-democratic and inhuman and Nazi to adapt our laws to end this pull factor?


Maybe so....but one can't help getting angry when learning that such a jobless newcomer gets exactly the same Bürgergeld as someone who has worked here hard for decades...that is just not fair....an easy point for any protester!

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Well....that so many people from all over the globe chose especially little, cold, dark Germany with it's impossible language has not so much to do with wanting to earn anything, they want to get to the free money! It has become wide spread knowledge that Germany shucks out its money quite generously over any door-knocker....illegal or not....alot more than any other country!

infomigrants.net/en/post/53009/germany-how-much-welfare-do-asylum-seekers-get-and-is-it-a-pull-factor

.....At initial reception centers

Asylum seekers receive accommodation, food, clothes, hygiene, limited healthcare as well as consumer and household goods directly at the initial reception center of the 16 federal states.
These 'basic benefits' (Grundleistungen) are provided as benefits in kind according to the Asylum Seekers' Benefits Act (Asylbewerberleistungsgesetz).
Additionally, asylum seekers in reception centers receive benefits to cover personal daily requirements ('pocket money') of around €150 per month in cash - if the "personal daily requirements" is fully paid as 'pocket money', it's €182 per month.

In some states, including Bavaria, asylum seekers also receive tickets for public transport as benefits in kind in return for less 'pocket money', according to the MSI.

That is the most important pull factor! If one gov would dare to cut that out at last we could end that discussion at once....ending the free money flow would end the moving of the masses into Germany immediately too....and we would not even need to build a border!

But now Germany has gone broke....maybe our infrastructure would look better today....our schools would look better....there would no poor retirees after a long life of hard work if we kept abit of all that welfare for ourselves?

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I wonder if the new minister of the interior, Mr. Dobrindt, really gets it right this time....limiting the illegal immigration, putting the shackles on the criminals, at least he promised it!

If the new gov can really achieve a perceptible betterment, that might take the winds out of the AfD...even without a Verbot!

@Tacitus
But why would that not fall under "amplifying the resentment" also?

Somehow that always looks to me as if the AfD as the biggest political rival is forbidden to say or plan what the CDU would be allowed...

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You have really a fairly generous view of who counts as a fascist!

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I have never seen otherwise....and you neither, Jon!

Every try to implement a non-capitalist society, no matter where, ended in blood and tears...with lotsa hate and division...there is no existing non-capitalist country which would work as an example for democratic, lawful government!

Maybe some time Leftists should learn from that and not always trying to repeat the same errors!

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You really would not say no to a GDR 2.0, if you were in Germany....wouldn't you?

Even with all the knowledge of it, you would like to try it again, yes?

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I tried to be sarcastic here....mannoo! :(

But really....I can't help coming to the conclusion that the Left screams so loud for a Verbot of the Right because they fear a rightist gov will do what a leftist gov wants to/plans to do!

Banning, jailing, threatening....more or less making non-supporters lives hell. So they want to do it better first to guarantee them their continuing power....a leftist dictatorship, maybe even a non-capitalist one, isn't so bad, right? Right!

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.....yeah...sure.....I forgot....I miss the experience of living without capitalism also so much....dammit, my fault!

Nobody promoting hate....no division.....what a dream that was!

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...erm.....that looks like a question of "What was first? The egg or the chicken?"

Do you think people just decide out of the blue to feel "fear, hate and a sense of inadequacy"?

Do you think the society will be fine again once you just forbid them????

PS: German "Die Linke" (hardcore Leftist) leader Mrs. Reichinnek demands in the news the "end of capitalism"....I hear nobody screaming for a "Verbot". But that would mean definitely the end of our german democracy....but nobody reacted....you have to wonder why!

welt.de/politik/deutschland/article256066114/Linke-Demokratie-ernsthaft-bedroht-Heidi-Reichinnek-ruft-zu-Sturz-des-Kapitalismus-auf.html

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Maybe.....but is that a reason to be "verboten"?

Off-Topic / Is Islam a threat to western society? [215]

Nobody believed before Britain would vote to leave the EU either....

This Farage guy is something else!

He was wrong before blaming it all on the EU, yes....but now he did sink his teeth into the Islam-Problem....I get my popcorn! :)

Off-Topic / Is Islam a threat to western society? [215]


Maybe I am wrong but I guess the time is now!

reuters.com/world/uk/nigel-farages-reform-uk-party-ahead-by-four-votes-key-election-race-2025-05-02/

Nigel Farage, usually only known for his anti-EU-Brexit party won just now his first victory:


bbc.com/news/articles/cz798wrd81jo

Or this:

theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/26/nigel-farage-under-fire-said-muslims-not-share-british-values

If he will be as successfull as with his former anti-EU movement, everything is possible!

I now also guess that his Brexit-movement was successful because he and his followers/voters thought with the out-of-the-EU Britain would also gain back the control over the massive immigration and its problems. But that belief has proven wrong! Even no longer an EU-member Britain is still being flooded by illegal immigrants, and no Labour or Tory gov seems to be able (or willing) to do anything about it.

And the problems are still rising...

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Oh lookie:


bild.de/politik/inland/gesichert-rechtsextremistisch-faeser-hat-afd-bericht-fachlich-nicht-geprueft-6816378a12ee6b68d1b86f2a

....Germany is trembling - the CDU/CSU is fuming!

Because, according to BILD reports, Faeser herself pushed hard to publish the expert opinion's verdict before the change of power from the red-green coalition to the black-red coalition on Tuesday! And: According to statements from CDU/CSU and security circles, she "did not have the report technically reviewed" in her ministry! Yet the ministry and the minister also have explicit technical oversight of the domestic intelligence service.

Even in Faeser's SPD, no one believes in coincidence.....

Did Germany ever had a worse minister of the interior???

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That is the point of that "Gutachten" nobody gets to see....

Not one proof being about secret machinations to undermine the democracy in Germany (or Faeser would had that presented for 24 hours now and we would see it on all channels)....only about criticism of Islam!

....anyhow....nice discussion but have to leave now....

*waves*

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Anytime the Left calls non-Leftist "Nazi" they show what they think of this article and the honour of those who don't agree with them!
They keep calling criticism "Hass und Hetze"....they even call for a ban of the social media (because of to much "Hass und Hetze" of course there)....and now the cry for banning the biggest opposition party!

Non-Leftists have no right of any honour, they are just bad people...with the wrong opinions...because they are to stupid! No honour for them, right Tacitus?

And for the rest, there are about 50 islamic countries....which is okay....if they like it that way in their countries, who cares! They can do and believe in their countries what they want! But this is Germany....and Germany, and Europe, just isn't compatible with Islam....their stoneage beliefs don't fit our evolved society, that is just a fact!

Don't you find it interesting that the same leftists shooting against the christian churches for decades (as they had been still conservative that is) are now loving the much more backwards women-queer-jew-hostile Islam? Coincidence???

That stinks so much, can't you smell it, Tac?

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....yeah....if they find proof for Moscow somehow financing the AfD, Putin using them for his purpose, that is another thing altogether.

But right now they are called rightwing extremists and fascists and Nazis because they don't want Germany changed slowly but surely into a Kalifat! That's seemingly enough to be "verboten"!

Well.....lets see....

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Well....there are reasons for their growing popularity! Being outspoken against the many problems the german society has with many muslim immigrants is one of them!

Again....if THAT is truly the one main thing they have, any ban attempt will have no chance at all...after all disliking Islam is so far away from any real planning for a "putsch", to take over the gov and build a dictatorship, it's ridiculous!

One has nothing to do with the other!

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If they find proof then the AfD will have deserved that....thing is, till now nobody showed any real proof!

To hate Islam, to want to limit islamist migration, wanting to "remigrate" criminal muslims who have never integrated into the german society has nothing to do with undermining the democratic order of Germany, how could that be!

Abusing an offical, neutral governmental department to get rid of your biggest political rival is!