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Ironside   
17 Jan 2012
News / Poland fines singer for bashing Bible [159]

One decides if one is offended and if one is so inclined can take great liberty with what is truly offensive and what is not.

Not quite, if someone chooses to make rude and unharnessed remarks about something that many people deem holly that is clearly offensive, no buts about that !

If somebody does it on purpose then there is no doubt in my mind that he/she should be fined.
It has nothing to do with criticizing religion and everything with respect where there is no respect there is nothing.
Ironside   
17 Jan 2012
News / Poland fines singer for bashing Bible [159]

People say and do things all the time just to make some money.

Should they be able to make a mockery and abuse freedom of speech just to make a few bucks ?
Ironside   
17 Jan 2012
News / Poland fines singer for bashing Bible [159]

A false comparison. She was giving her opinion on a book.

that is not a book by many is regarded as the book.
Should I then make that comparison more valid by insulting his mother or parents?
Maybe lifestyle or something he holds dear?
The point is nobody should be able to insult people or their beliefs without consequences. Sadly some people seems to think that is doesn't apply to the religion.

Meaning you can say what you think about religion or Bible but in a way that isn't insulting.
What says you ?
Ironside   
17 Jan 2012
News / Poland fines singer for bashing Bible [159]

I can't believe she was fined as this seems a pretty blatant disregard for freedom of speech, not to mention that she's also correct.

I think that you are walking piece of trash !

How about that ? Do you regard that as my right to speak freely or do you find that offensive and insulting whether I'm right or not?

She should pay much more than 5 000 zl and so should her former lover !
Ironside   
15 Jan 2012
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]

Yes, very legitimate - so legitimate that the PWN don't recognise it as such.

It is legitimate because its derived in accordance with inner logic of the Polish language - but of course you know nothing about that.

Sorry, Ironside - but we, defenders of the Polish language,

Sorry delphiandomine- are taking the **** here ? :D

feel that the custodians of the language are far more of an authority than some Americans.

So called custodians can only describe what is the official correct language, apart from that there is a living language out there.

No, I just accept that the PWN is a far more definitive source on Polish than some dumb internet rednecks.

Look who cares what you accept or not, your Polish is too crappy to make you an expert on it. Who are you to be telling people what is and what isn't Polish ? You are only the internet upstart,a wannabe authority on all things Polish, phew!
Ironside   
15 Jan 2012
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]

Merged: Ironside's take on busha !

Because the original thread has been closed I'm going to express my opinion in this brand new thread.
Please do not contaminate this thread with trolling and ramblings, only informative posters are welcome.

Busha (busia) is a legitimate Polish word.There are two reasons for it not being widely used in Poland:
One - it is diminutive of diminutive and for Poles it is like going over the top with diminutiveness and tenderness.
Two - in the Polish language busha (busia) doesn't sound good. I mean that sounds like something a small child would say - kids talk!

On the other hand it sounds easy to pronounce for somebody from the English-speaking environment, hence its popularity.
I think that there is nothing wrong with that. (Applause )
Ironside   
14 Jan 2012
News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

You've made up your mind, you don't like me and think I'm the "typical arrogant american"

Not really, I think that you are simple but cleaver enough to fool me for some time I grant you that, have a fun ignoring me.

You are arguing that the USA is more attractive than Poland. You are an idiot.

Why don't you start arguing that water is wet?As I said - simple
Ironside   
13 Jan 2012
News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

another reason why i think Poles would be very drawn to the USA

We are not discussing whether Poles would be drawn to the USA or not but whether the Polish Government would bother to ask the USA not to include Poland in the VWP?!

So far you have provided no arguments, so I must conclude that you have nothing to support your claim.
Ironside   
12 Jan 2012
Genealogy / Russian Poland-what general area would this be? [30]

That's a mystery to us because from what people have told me, that means that he was Jewish.

What people ? What are you talking about ? Can you be precise if you want to learn something you need to provide data not what some mysterious peeps are saying !

K is the most important flat clustering algorithm.
Ironside   
12 Jan 2012
Genealogy / Russian Poland-what general area would this be? [30]

Does anyone know what general area this would be? He came to New York sometime between 1911 and 1920.

Find map of Poland from 1939 and then map of Poland from 1764. Compare eastern border of these two.
Area you looking for should be between eastern border of Poland from 1939 and eastern border of Poland from 1764. Good luck!
Ironside   
11 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Same is with Poland's politicians.

That good neighbourhood treaty included rights of both minorities - Lithuanian in Poland and Polish in Lithuania.
German minority have all rights and Polish minority in Germany doesn't simply because they are not graded as the indigenous population.
So they have no reason to demand anything.
The same goes for Lithuania if they would grant all rights (call it privileges if you like) to Polish minority, there would be no demands.

I think that Poland have been patient enough waiting 18 years for Lithuania to come to their senses but lately the Lithuanian government started to taking back some of those rights Polish minorities already enjoyed.

Your politician talk a lot of rubbish.
You also think that everything is grand ? Well, I got a news for you it isn't ! Fame ? What are you even taking about ? You yourself admitted that the issue is real.

Stop meddling about and start behaving like a grow-up!
Because really, without sympathy of Poland you have nothing going for you and nobody cares for Lithuania - that the fact!

A cat got your tongue or what?
Another fact for you to deny.

A sixteen years old boy have been brutally beaten up by a group of men. He and his friends have been attacked because they were speaking Polish.

kurierwilenski.lt/2012/01/24/rozmawial-po-polsku-ledwo-go-nie-zabili
Ironside   
10 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Perhaps you could put it another way?

Yes, the issue has been discussed many times on the PF and the difference between immigrants and the indigenous population have been amply explained.
I believe that you indulged in such an excursion because you lost our friendly exchange in off-topic!
That makes you a really vast p...er person indeed!
That and the fact that if the situation was reversed you wouldn't hesitate to scold Poland for alleged if not made up sins against minorities.
Ironside   
10 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Maybe they refused to answer question of the strangers.
I'm sure their parents knew what they were protesting against and thats good enough for me.
I don't understand attitudes involved. Is no good if minority is complaining about something and everyone, including government is saying that they just have a fit or all that is politically motived, everything whats involves any community is politically motived.

Proper way is to address these issues.

Every country has it's internal problems, so there is no need to intervene in to neighbors backyard. It only makes worse.

Nowadays are not 30' of the XX century. Having large minorities in your country is only natural that there will be interventions and possibly repercussion of your internal policy - don't be so touchy! Somebody could assume that you have something to hide!
Ironside   
10 Jan 2012
News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

This is hypothetical.

What of it > you mean because that all is hypothetical we cannot discus it properly ?
Ironside   
10 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Well, some people give a damn, It wouldn't be wise to count on the Polish Government for ever.
There are real grievances of Poles in Lithuania, the most wise and right thing to do would be to address them and make them right.
Ironside   
10 Jan 2012
News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

I just see no financial gain in doing so for the USA.

Neither do I. Thats is not the point!

I do however see a possible financial loss for Poland because with every Pole that up and leaves Poland for the USA or anywhere for that matter, that's one less ZUS/tax payer for the Polish government. It's actually a double whammy for Poland because chances are, they paid for that person's education as well so it's a total loss for Poland.

Hey ! !! The same goes for Poles leaving for the EU countries! Do you think that there are many Poles in Poland who would immigrate illegally to the USA?
Ironside   
10 Jan 2012
News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

You completely avoided the question.

Yes ! that is not the issue we discus !

Stop asking me questions I've already answered.

Well, I point out to you that it is very unlikely.

President Obama will appeal to Polish American voters this summer and will lift restrictions. It's the political thing to do and no previous president has appealed to 'block' voters like this one has.

No need for that, I'm sure Tusk will claim this as his success !
Ironside   
10 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

You mean like sentencing newspaper editors to death? Oh, sorry, I forgot that only Poles passed such sentences.

Two minutes of the Internet search :
highbeam.com/doc/1G1-76982819.html

Are you claiming that only Poles passed such sentences or/and are you lying again ?

No, in this post you claimed that "Here comes pictoonis and says that it only right to claim territories with 3% of Lithuanian in there.

You find that perfectly all right not by saying something but by your general attitude. You nitpicking on Poles and their history and you let the most fantastic claims made by others left unchallenged in the same thread.

Significant omission I would say!!!
Ironside   
10 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

before ww1, no.

hey you yourself claimed that before the WWI Poles were majority !

You mean like sentencing newspaper editors to death? Oh, sorry, I forgot that only Poles passed such sentences.

Are you supporting that claim - that only Poles passed such sentences ?

So when you claimed that I had said it, you were actually lying.

I never claimed that you had said something (and if I did it is clearly misspelling ), I said that you haven't said something which you should have said.
Ironside   
10 Jan 2012
News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

We are talking about alleged intervention of the Polish government urging the USA to keep Poland out of the VWP.
You still think that plausible ?
Ironside   
10 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

And what census is 100% right?

Never claimed that it was 100% right.
The point is that it doesn't matter what way you look at the census, Poles were majority there before the WWII and that is the point.

Of course they had majority. Lithuanian teachers, priests imprisoned, simple lithuanian folk oppressed. What do you expect?

The same goes for Lithuanian actions against Polish minority before the war.
I don't see as your grievances and wallowing in being wronged have any bearings on the fact that Poles constituted majority on said territory?

You seem to see a connection here I fail to see.
Ironside   
10 Jan 2012
News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

Ask a Pole who came to the USA in the last say.....4-5 years and is staying there illegally and ask him/her why they are doing that instead of living somewhere in the EU legally. Let them tell you.

Yeah for those that are already there that may well be the truth. Even some from those living in the EU countries would be tempted to move given chance but there wouldn't be any mass migration. No way, the migration power of Poles is spent!

Nevertheless what it has to do with the Polish government? From their point of view it makes no difference whereas Poles migrate to the EU country or the USA? What gives ?
Ironside   
10 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Vilnius city had majority of jews (>50%) before ww1, however surrounding lands (80% of population lived NOT in cities) had more lithuanians than poles.

That would have mean that census had been falsified outright. I cannot agree with your claim. For one you have no prove to the contrary and why would they lie only in case of Lithuania ?If they (as you claim) made from 35% into-60% and from 25% or more into 3% what stop there ?

Why not go for Ukrainians and locals and made up all that numbers into favourable for Poles?

Logic doesn't support your claim nor Polish historiography be it before the war, after the war in the Soviet Poland(and they would be most sympathetic to your claims)or at the present where a serious main stream historiography agrees as to the fact that before the war Poles constituted unquestionable majority in the Wilno area.

Kovno before the wwI ?at least 15% if not more.
Ironside   
10 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

hat area had strong lithuanian majority, so wonder there.

That area had a strong Polish minority but due to oppression, Lithuaniansation and migration there few Poles left.