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Do you touch people with those lyin' fingers?

PiS took the crackpot abortion ban petition _far_ more seriously than there was any need for. It could have considered it for 30 seconds and rejected it (as any normal government would). But it decided to play for what it hoped were crowds of religious crazies. It reaped what it sowed.

Your repeated attempts to make PiS look less incompetent in this whole debacle aren't taken seriously by anyone.

PiS screwed up on its own initiative. They finally realized that and backed down and no amount of inept spin doctoring from you will change that.

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In the People's Republic of Poland, a majority of the citizens supported socialism...

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And for the women who get abortions? If it's _really_ murder then you don't let off the person who hires the hitman.

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Then you want no difference in prison sentences for hitmen and those who hire them and doctors and women who pay them to have abortions. Is that correct?

Why aren't more anti-abortion people proclaiming that they want to put doctors connected with abortion and women who get abortions in prison?

A surefire vote getter!

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you don't seriously think that abortion is murder (unless you want women who get abortions thrown in prison for murder).

if you do, then at least you're consistent (if a terrible human being).

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I think those are going to quietly go away. The super-religious have never been a mainstay of PiS's support and catering too much to them alienates too many swing support that they'll need if they want to serve out their full term this time.

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Don't get too happy, too fast. This was a very big miscalculation on PiS's part who underestimated the probable backlash from catering to extremist weirdos. I'm assuming they'll drop the whole business ASAP, the longer they fiddle around with it the bigger the losses are likely to be and I don't think JK is stupid enough to ignore that.

Many people on both sides are unhappy about the current laws, but trying to change them is a political third rail.

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What do they say about sex besides "don't do it till you're married!"?

Do they actually discuss sexual problems a young couple might face like premature ejaculation or inability to climax during intercourse due to excessive masturbation or vaginal dryness?

Do they enlighten young men on female anatomy (like the importance of the clitoris)?
Do they discuss genital hygene?
Do they discuss the importance of foreplay and alternates to intercourse when one of the two is hors de combat?
Do they discuss methods of family planning beyond the rhythm method (which is notoriously unreliable)?


this could only work if everyone has the same religion and has strong religious beliefs. there are other ways of going about reducing teen pregnancy than trying to turn everyone into an oaza (if that word is still used).

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Okay, I get why you don't like Kaszub (german cooties) but what's wrong with Kraków? For someone who claims to be a patriot there's an awful lot of your supposed countrymen that you dislike....

What up with that sh1tt?

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Yes, yes, you hate the idea of anyone actually enjoying sex, we get it.

On a more serious note, the biggest consequence is likely to be the birth rate. Poland has been experiencing a modest increase in live births over the last couple of years, but I would expect that to come to a crashing halt if the most severe restrictions come into force.

The current debate is making it completely clear to women that a large part of society regards them as walking baby factories who might as well die if they can't pop them out correctly. The effects of making pregnancy more dangerous are that fewer women will want to go down that road.


I would expect nothing less of them. they clearly want a severely deformed baby to suffer for a few days and its mother to be traumatized so they can rush in to help with their fake concern. Hypocrites.

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True enough. Except that there was an idea floating around a few years ago that "native speaker" is a myth invented to reinforce unequal social relations.

sample:

youtube.com/watch?v=OG8q99fLn0o

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Well it does have a great song behind it.

youtube.com/watch?v=imafHIq2210


Certainly not in English, though alongside "sweet dreams" there's "pleasant dreams" too, maybe also more American than British?


Sleep tight! Don't let the bedbugs bite! is the version I'm familiar with.

Another Polish expression with no clear English equivalent is "smacznie spać" often translated as "sleep soundly" but often used in very different contexts.

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Does it? I don't know if I would wish this on anyone...

youtu.be/HU9JIphUGnM

(old Polish boyband with exactly one hit, which was this)

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Well Harry's use of the word "cat" is meant to suggest that Duda is simply the president's pet (and has no more real power than does Jarosław's pussy (cat)). Nothing that's happened in politics since he's been elected contradicts that.

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nice to see that cat Polonius loosening up and getting with the last slang.... groovy!


Do you have any evidence for this outrageous claim? (answer: of course not)

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Why are you debating with someone whose sole tactic is repeating "I'm right and you're stupid!"?
Debating a sack of grapefruit would be a more productive use of time.

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Bjork must play in Serbia!


And he wants Ukrainians who don't want to be Russian vassals to go fvck themselves!

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Of Jew who helped save Poles from the communists?

Jew who did more for Poland than almost any of the people who obsessively comment on his Jewish heritage?

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You're not a native speaker, you don't hear things the way they do (just like I don't always hear Polish words and constructions the way native speakers do).


What about Jewish PiS leader Kalkstein?

*Kalkstein/Kalkstejn according to some (probably crazy) people being the real, Jewish, name of the Kaczyńskis....

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But doing so in a normal way, not in a way traditionally mostly used by raving anti-semites.

Jew Michnik - sounds a little like Pollack Duda,

Jewish publisher Michnik would be okay.


thought it would be fun to use the word, anyhoo English (and Polish) don't easily make the distinction between "ethnically/genetically" Jewish persons and persons who practice Judaism. Russian does (I forget how but it does) and I think making the distinction in English and Polish would be useful.

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his name is "Adam" not Jew* and the name of the paper is "Gazeta Wyborcza" supposedly there's a rule against distorting proper names

*use of the word Jew as an adjective highly correlates with anti-semitism, the correct adjective (for non-primitives) is "Jewish" though that's problematic since it primarily refers to a religion (which Adam Michnik does not practice).

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That's exactly what people don't agree upon. A fetus has human dna and is alive (if completely dependent on another) but a fetus's existence is not really "human life" as many or most people understand.

And a blanket ban on abortions will also snuff out some human lives,

thinkprogress.org/11-year-old-chilean-rape-victims-health-is-in-danger-because-she-can-t-get-an-abortion-b101ae85901b#.gxu3qtek7


Old guy yells at cloud!

We get it, Polly. You're furious that not everyone is a repressed sexophobe like you. Get over it.

If you're so against abortion, then don't have one! Work (non-abusively) to convince other people to not have them. But don't cram your religion up the birth canals of women who don't share it.

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Mods, did this get a warning? If not, why not?

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No one knows if there is a God of not... God is not a justification for civil law. Theft and murder are violations in essentially all ethical systems, abortion.... not so much.

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Since miscarriages don't seem to bother god, then why would very early term abortions?

And why should a particular, narrow, religious view prevail when the topic is one that there is no general consensus. I'm fine with people trying to convince people to not have abortions, but getting self righteous about forcing particularly religious views into civil law where it affects people who don't follow that particular relgion is a bit much. Very anti-western and anti-civilization.

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I believe no such thing.

But in your view he created everything, including a reproduction process that results in a 30% failure rate.... (in which a third of all "babies" conceived die, usually before their mothers are aware of their existence). If you can square that with the idea of aborting a 7 weak old fetus being "murder" then your mental gymnastics top anything I can come up with...

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Then God designed a process that kills about 30 % or so of all babies conceived. That's....... love?????

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Boy that's an.... interesting example, you sure are obsessed with the idea of killing Jews....

Anyhoo, please give examples of countries making similar laws and we'll talk. Absent that, it's a stupid, irrelevant example.

The question is, at what stage of development do fetuses obtain moral status that those who are born.

For me, that might be around natural viability (the age the fetus can survive outside the mother without massive medical intervention).

If you accept that a fetus acquires full moral status at conception then you have to reconcile yourself with the thought that God loves killing babies since about 30% of all conceptions spontaneously abort (result in miscarriages).

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So why are religious people trying to force their specific religious morality on those who don't believe? No one seriously believes that abortion is murder anymore than they believe that spontaneous abortion (about 30 or so % of all fertilized eggs) represent infant deaths.

I'm perfectly fine with letting people decide on this issue based on their own moral judgements. You want to make other people follow your moral judgements.

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The problem is that there is no consensus on the moral status of a 10 week old fetus. Nor is there likely to ever be. A rational approach is to leave this to individual conscience. But a certain segment of the population wants to force their particular judgements on the rest of society.

Note that many pro-choice people would never have an abortion and I don't know of anyone who wants to force women to abort (Chinese communists, yes, but I don't know any and they're irrelevant to the debate in Poland). The pro-choice side (my part of it) is happy to let the other side follow its conscience. The other side is not happy to let others exercise their own moral judgements.

If you're forcing it on people against their will, it aint' morality.