UK, Ireland / Ad from my UK newspaper today : not worth a zloty [16]


In little shops it can be a drag getting change, especially now so many people pay with phones

Life / Is it worth returning to Poland in old age? [168]


You have to make plans and face it before, getting somewhere single story earlier rather than have others make decisions for you later

People like staying where they are. Sometimes it's a longer and better quality life in an easier home nearby rather than hanging on in a big one until it wears yo7 out or you fall down the stairs.

Off-Topic / A "humorous" aside to US 47th President [31]


Is he supposed to get up at fück knows what time it is over there and wrote something so you can comment on it?

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]


How?

And his father is irrelevant.


The Times?

Or do you prefer random fascist grifters on the internet?

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]


31 months surprised me too since I'd have guessed 6 or 12 and a period on licence however they did follow the guidelines and the appeal court upheld it.

She'll probably get early release anyway, especially if there are mitigating factors and whether or not it's her first offence.

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]


I can believe that and it looks the same in England.

In the old days, we all usually had a day to process news.
Now it's half news and people yelling within minutes, often people not great at discernment.

It's way worse in the Arab world where due to cultural, historical, economic and religious factors there's a huge degree of trust in anything written down. People read it and if the website looks nicely enough presented and tugs the right things, they believe it unquestionably. This week (somewhere near but not in Palestine for work stuff) I've heard educated and intelligent people swear blind that Brigitte Macron is a man and that America is majority Jewish.

It's less so in Western Europe though not everyone has critical thinking skills and it's very easy to manipulate people by saying the right things in the rightness to the right people.

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]

@Vincent

He was under 18 at the time of the crime and is still 18 now.

So no "attempt to cover up" anything since as you well know, under 18s are not usually named in court.

In this case though, the judge made an exception and stripped him of his anonymity, so in fact the opposite of a "cover up".

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]


Against people who have nothing in common with the perp?


A more normal response yet would be to vote for a party who are made up of and represent the industrial working class rather than get worked up by rightwing newspapers whose owners pay no tax, or focus on non-existent enemies like the "woke" or people who never hurt them like trans, all of it whipped up by expensive PR from politicians who represent those that make huge sums of money from the working class's labour.

Some people are easily distracted. It's the oldest trick in the book.


What 'attempt'?

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]


I've read about this but have never seen it. Maybe it's not a thing in my town or others around them, however given the way the tories have run down the police service, nothing surprises. This is something we should tackle, and our government is a new one, there to pick up the pieces.

Incidentally, I bought 8 kilos of cheese in Morrisons about 3 weeks ago (mature Cheddar and Stilton, 58 quid with some other stuff) and a security guard appeared as if by magic or CCTV, followed me to the checkout and stayed there until I paid. So it looks like they do take steps to prevent it.


Burglaries have plummeted compared to the level pre-1997 however they are often impossible to solve.

Plus, as mentioned, the tories have run down the number of police hugely in order to give tax breaks to their voter base down south.


The Hamas supporters in London? Yes, we should arrest, however again, police numbers are very low due to tory misrule. The greeny 'Just Stop Oil' ones who glue themselves to the road? Rarely happens (but always gets media coverage) and they always get prosecuted. They also always use superglue which is made from oil.


They're neither, and what does the term 'woke' mean to you anyway?


Nobody minds 'hurty words' (apart from rightwing screamers) however if someone with a large social media following exhorts their followers to burn women and children to death in hostels and some of those followers go to a hostel and start a fire with the intention of doing that, what on earth do you think will happen to them? An invite to a Buck House garden party?

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]


It really isn't.

Don't believe that fascistic millionaire Farage and his clowns. He will laugh you into hell.


In fact I've been more in U.K. than PL over the past three years due to family issues.


We probably all do. There are however the democratic means to influence this or change it. Voting Labour (or if you're in NI, the SDLP) and instead of sniping from the stands, actually showing up to party meetings does really make a difference.

In any system, you have to use it well to get what you want. Otherwise you just get angry.

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]


It's pretty good, though seeking perfection is essentially absolutism and as Martin Luther always stressed, unattainable.

The system, though not perfect as we on the left know, has evolved over centuries and is very adaptable to circumstances.


We obviously know different people, however I've noticed this more with Americans (I've seen several absolutely lose it in public) and French who at the best of times are a bit "my way or the highway".

Language / Use of "Pan/Pani" in Poland vs Other Countries [30]


We've always used the singular.


I suspect it's more about being cautious in certain ways.


It takes two to tango and he seems happy enough.

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]


Ask a judge instead of ranting online to people who have no interest. And any sentence is according to the law. Criminals also have a right to appeal if they are unhappy with their sentence, and politicians (of any party or part of the U.K.) can ask in parliament for sentences to be increased under the Unduly Lenient Sentences Act.


Cumulative and even 2 pints is bad at your age.


The Hamas supporters? Were there any MPs?

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]


A slight correction. A look on Google tells me that the Crown Prosecution Service charge according to the name the accused person gives them. Including spelling.

So it is his choice, having given them that spelling. Why would they use another?

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]


All sentences are according to sentencing guidelines which are in place long before any trial.

They don't just make it up as they go along, you know...


They would charge according to the name on documents.


1. There is no evidence of wrongdoing. 2. The person who made the accusation was above the age of consent.


And the clowns who don't take up their seats aren't bigots? Are Colum Eastwood and Clare Hanna 'bigots' according to you then?


Except the 'general population of Britain' wasn't "whipped up" were they...

In fact more people came out to peacefully oppose the small number of thugs that were "whipped up" than the thugs themselves.


Go and drink a nice cup of tea. And avoid the thing that is causing your current hangover. Vitamin C helps.

News / R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland [354]


Do tell. This is actually interesting and a genuine question.


Very possibly. He would probably have been present if Cameron did, it that the story is especially reliable or relevant to anything.

Who knows what a lot of male politicians did round the world when they were frat boys.

Language / Use of "Pan/Pani" in Poland vs Other Countries [30]


He uses my name and 2nd person singular.

The guy's a bit wary of speaking to me in the presence of others though, not least because we'd been saying "najzdrówko" in a particular bar in town for a few years before he came to that parish.

History / Where did Poles spend summer vacations in the PRL era? [63]


Worth remembering that for almost all of the period that Poland had the PRL, most western Europeans couldn't afford foreign holidays and didn't have passports.

The better off could, but didn't always. For the majority (in the UK at least) they might be able to manage a weekend by ferry to Dublin or Ostend (no passport needed) however foreign holidays, Spain etc, started to come in dribs and drabs from the 70s and were too expensive for many. That was the era (in Poland and the west) of holiiday camps, sometimes belonging to your trade union. That and nasty boarding houses by the sea.

News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [157]


Not very relevant to demographic change in Poland, but this one is too funny to ignore.

"Somebody said he looks great in a bathing suit, right? And you know, when he was in the sand and he was having a hard time lifting his feet through the sand, because you know sand is heavy, they figured three solid ounces per foot, but sand is a little heavy, and he's sitting in a bathing suit. Look, at 81, do you remember Cary Grant? How good was Cary Grant, right? I don't think Cary Grant, he was good. I don't know what happened to movie stars today. We used to have Cary Grant and Clark Gable and all these people. Today we have, I won't say names, because I don't need enemies. I don't need enemies. I got enough enemies. But Cary Grant was, like - Michael Jackson once told me, 'The most handsome man, Trump, in the world.' 'Who?' 'Cary Grant.' Well, we don't have that any more, but Cary Grant at 81 or 82, going on 100. This guy, he's 81, going on 100. Cary Grant wouldn't look too good in a bathing suit, either. And he was pretty good-looking, right?"

News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [157]


Were that true, he'd go up in my estimation however he did after all say that his tariffs would make things cheaper.


"Think of it, magnets," Trump said at a January 2024 rally in Mason City, Iowa. "Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that's the end of the magnets."


It always has been.

Fun articles about fashion and popculture, however it has a largely female readership and does concentrate on that audience.


Less of the fake outrage. It just makes you look like Ignatius P Reilly, a character which to be fair you do share several similarities to.

News / R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland [354]


Probably a nomenklatura kid. Know any of those, I-S?

Why whatever 'connections' he may have has as an 18 year old kid are relevant to anything is anybody's guess. There were a lot of nomenklatura, including the Kaczynski family and most big names in politics, especially rightwingers. Whatever you think of JK and others, he can't be held responsible for his parents' careers.


While there he was in the Bullingdon Club (upper class hooligans - Johnson Cameron were both in it - who smash up restaurants and leave a wad of cash to cover the damage, even the Oxford University Tory Club have banned the Bullers from membership now) which he got into by implying he was a relative of the better known Sikorski

He's hugely intelligent, a very good writer and one of the few credible figures in Polish politics..

History / Where did Poles spend summer vacations in the PRL era? [63]


Although it's not in Crimea (but near it) there was that nice song, Batumi, by Filipinki. That suggests that holidays in other parts of the eastern bloc were something that people could at least aspire to.

Wasn't there also a chance of holidays in Bulgaria?

Off-Topic / A "humorous" aside to US 47th President [31]


The clue's in the thread title. There's a limit to the Groucho stuff though a certain politician is a bit like the one in Duck Soup, "I've got my principles, and if you don't like them, I've got other"...

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]


Makes no difference to the terrified families locked in the hostel while thugs were setting fire to it.

And her tweet was seen by over 300,000 people. She knew the law; hence deleting it to try and save her arse.


Anger against whom? The frenzied mobs were attacking asylum seekers and a mosque. The perp isn't an asylum seeker and isn't a Muslim; he is Roman Catholic.


If calling for families or anyone else who has never harmed you tonne burnt to death is a "normal human reaction" then I will opt out of that and self identify as a cat.

She knew the law; she was a heavy twitter user who used that platform to whip up riots.

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]

You can comment, but can't publish until the jury have reached a verdict.

The laws are similar and different. Most countries don't have a jury system. Yours comes from ours which comes from the Anglo-Saxon period, or even before.

I think they introduced the rule due to jury tampering in the nineteenth century.

It's the same in Australia; the press push the boundaries there though and the judge in the mushroom poisoning trial had to issue some severe warnings to journalists.

News / R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland [354]


He's centre right.

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]


Us too. However publishing things intended to influence a jury decision is a no no.

If it's just you or me or uncle Tom Cobbley writing things online, it's not usually a problem. If it's a journalist, a politician, a respected scientist, it can lead to a mistrial or a perp going free.

Language / Use of "Pan/Pani" in Poland vs Other Countries [30]


Tough for them. It's hardwired into some of us. Where I'm from, clergy and laity traditionally address each other as "Friend" even if it's the first time of meeting.

I'll take that over the "pochwalony" stuff.


It's fine to do that. If they feel insulted they should maybe they should reflect on whether they serve or panować.

Off-Topic / A "humorous" aside to US 47th President [31]

Is this screenshot real or a hoax?

It's hard to believe it's real however he does say some complete rubbish.

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News / R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland [354]


He isn't a half-wit. He's got one of the sharpest minds in Polish politics.


It doesn't mean anything; it is a glib comment which you might like to expand on.