History / History of two Neighbors: Poland - Germany Interrelations [283]

Play po*n on all channels after 8 or show Europe 80% Muslim and African. That should do it

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]


My posts have nothing to do with hindsight. Your posts, as well as others', ignore what the uprising participants and the suits in London had as information and based on it, a realistic assessment of likely outcomes. It's called analysis and planning - the mortal enemies of "patriots".

Let's go to the chase and, instead of talking about me, answer these very simple questions before we go any further:

1. What was the PRIMARY objective of the Warsaw Uprising according to the Polish suits in London?
2. Did the Polish side coordinate the Uprising timing and locations with the Soviet army?

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]

Poland should be retroactively grateful for not getting that "promised assistance". Its only effect would be to prolong the shooting, bombing and killing.
Are you suggesting that it would make the Germans go back? Are Poles really that naive?
That war had only four participants that mattered to the final outcome. Poland was not one of them.

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]

All of those being totally avoidable, too.
Isn't it ironic how another guy's death 75 years ago is so uplifting and heroic - almost glamorous - to those who today are at zero risk, holding a bottle of Zywiec. But, just suggest that the Zywiec guy should have a gun to defend himself or his family and you get a list of invectives aimed at the lunatic far-right in the lunatic USA. Sure, Zywiec heroes.

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]


I understand that a post that is hard to argue with is "crap". I got it. But, since I don't post worn out one-liners, there is enough real meat on those bones for you and others here to pick on and prove me wrong on facts or unreasonable in my opinions.

Somehow, that is not happening because you can't. How about responding to #183 above. It's not very long and has quotes. It was better to leave it alone. Right?

Posting about "buttons" is a lot more stimulating, I guess.

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]

If you call it survival, what does death look like?

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]


What did they do in Prague?

Quoting:

The city of Prague was ultimately liberated by the USSR during the Prague Offensive. All of the German troops of Army Group Centre (Heeresgruppe Mitte) and many of Army Group Ostmark (formerly known as Army Group South) were killed or captured, or fell into the hands of the Allies after the capitulation.

Duh!

In fact:

Adding to the confusion in Prague but providing useful assistance to the Czechs, the 1st Division of the Russian Liberation Army under General Bunyachenko moved

Can you imagine that? The Russians were assisting the Czech uprising in ....killing Germans!

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]

Now, you are getting personal. Don't.

Your choices - fight the Germans or run to the Soviets is too binary. How about doing nothing and saving thousands and the city? Like Prague. Or Gdansk.

I am talking about the decision to have or not have that dumb Uprising made by the suits in London, not what the individual Poles should do. Many other cities were liberated by the Soviets without their uprisings.

The enslavement of Eastern Europe was decided by the Americans as acceptable to the US and nothing was about to change it other than time.

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]


That makes things even worse. Acting like a mindless robot, which you just admitted, is fine when you risk only your own ass. In this case, it was pure politics and an attempt to put the Soviets in front of an accomplished fact: Poland has its government in place and it's the kind that the Soviets would not like.

Talk about stupid and historically ignorant. Yeah, the Soviet million-men army would blink because a bunch of Poles with funny rifles and no ammo are in their way.

So, the Soviets, PREDICTABLY, said nyet, we are not playing THAT game. And the rest is history.

Really, what would YOU expect them to do? Say, oops, sorry, we didn't know this room is already taken?

BTW, predictably, this discussion reveals the true Polish nature: the love of heroes, monuments and poetry. Logic? No way. Unpatriotic.

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]


Did you consider that the Soviets looked at the Warsaw Uprising is an opportunity to get some rest, wait for winter when the river is ice, and save their men from death, first, and to avoid dealing with an unfriendly Polish government, later? Try to argue that they should not have pursued their own equivalent of "America First".

A far as rapes, compare the Soviet rapes with the number of Koreans, Vietnamese, and Iraqis we killed, or caused to be killed, and you will never mention those rapes again.

Also, don't forget the 50 million abortions the "progressive" America performed so far. Then, put all three evil things I just mentioned on the same scale and see how they stack up.

BTW, the higher the number of the Polish dead, the worse that Uprising looks. Not better or more patriotic.

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His life and his attitude would have been different had he been married with kids. You (editorial) tend to do strange things when you are single and without any responsibilities. If I were related to God, anyone closer than six feet would die a very painful and spectacular death.

Technically and logically, having other options, Jesus committed suicide.

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]

We sure did.

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]

I counted them. You used "believe" three times. Not a compelling way to explain taking the risks of that magnitude. Do you believe there is water in the pool or do you first check and check and check some more before you jump?


I usually don't scream posting, but this time I will: WHAT???? Poland was betrayed in 1939!!! In a most spectacular way possible. The allies just didn't know that a huge German war machine was assembling on the Polish border. Sure.


How could the West not allow the Soviets anything with the Soviet army in the millions and on location, with the West tired and over there.

I think we have come to the point where we can shake hands and stop. I appreciate you not calling me names, too.

Now, you can continue with the as*hole right above.

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]


OK, on the list of risks, was there an item like this: We start shooting Germans who are only days from running home for their lives. Instead, they stop and kill many Poles. They set fire to the buildings where Poles are hiding. The Soviets will gleefully watch from across the river until all fighting stops and the Germans, although victorious, are worn out, which makes the next move by the Soviet army crossing the river and into Warsaw a lot easier.

Let's assume that the Uprising is successful and that the Germans - notice that I never call them NAZI's - leave Warsaw and a group of Poles who now claim to be the legitimate government of Poland. Now, what do the Soviets do? Hmm...How about rounding them up, executing the top the same day and sending the rest to Siberia as a warning what will happen to anyone with the funny idea of not being Soviet ally. Duh!


Are you sure you are not confusing the Soviet army with the US army? Who is in Syria - illegally? Not the Russians. It's our boys, girls and some weirdos in between.

The Soviet army did and the Russian army does what is good for their country and have zero obligation to make Poland happy. That was as true in August of 1944 as it is true now. But to a Polak, the center of gravity of the Universe is, of course Poland, and the only approved feeling is a desire to die for it.

Logical thinking is unpatriotic - an equivalent of hate speech today.

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]

It was their fault because it's safe to assume that they believed their cause and considered all the likely outcomes and their consequences. This is where you are in a corner because you cannot claim that they were just acting like brainless robots. And for a very simple reason: a hero is a person who puts his life on the line while aware of the risks. Eliminate just one of those two and he is hero no more but a reckless idiot.

What you just did is an attempt to separate the head from the muscle. If, in fact, they were misled - how about "were lied to"? - then the top command should have been charged criminally for playing politics with other humans. To make things even more hideous, from the safety of another country and no risk to themselves.

Today, those remote "patriots" would have a big 4k screen and a joystick.

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]


Total and utter nonsense. They had no way to predict what Poland would be like after the war and the 1956 and 1980 events. The Uprising was just an attempt to form a government that would be unfriendly to the Soviets and the Soviets would have none of this. They already had that in the past and it didn't work out for them very well, did it?

You, with the benefit of hindsight, can now show how the dots connect from August 1944 till today to justify this act of reckless stupidity. Talk about Monday morning quarterbacking. The Uprising was a political act, not a fight for freedom from Germany. That was already in the process - like the tsunami in 2004. The participants decided to be wiseguys and, by this act, caused death of thousands and of the city.


F*ck the Spirit. I almost died right along with my babysitter and my parents. Lucky for me, Germans were nicer that the Uprisers were smart and took my babysitter and me to a camp in Hamburg. Later, Germans were still not in the mood to end my life so they released me to my mother when she went there to get me after she got a travel document from the Germans three months later. In facts, the German civilians gave us food and diapers. Thanks, Germans.

It will be snowing in July in Arizona before I call the Uprisers brave or patriotic.

History / The reasons of Polish pride? [112]

Oh, God! Another stupid analogy!
Hey, I know another way to stop breathing...Take your little pistol and run against a German tank. It will work like a charm.


Another moronic one-liner.


I have no idea what that means but "unthinking" caught my attention as there is a rule that the "unthinking die first". Darwin at his very best.

History / The reasons of Polish pride? [112]


OK. Let's assume it's September 7, 1939. Germans are in with their tanks and artillery. Their planes are bombing Warsaw. People are dying.
The question: why continue fighting? What was the military objective?
And, please, if you want to insult me with some poetic, idiotic and patriotic one-liner or an analogy from a different planet, just ignore my post.

History / The reasons of Polish pride? [112]


Those and that period:

There is a moment in every fight when one side is no longer fighting; it's committing suicide. Poland was in that exact situation in September 1939 and Warsaw in August 1944.

History / The reasons of Polish pride? [112]

OK, back to the topic. Why are Poles proud fighting doomed fights? Because it's more patriotic being dead? Or romantic?

History / The reasons of Polish pride? [112]


That post of yours is a confirmation why women should never be allowed to vote. Your willingness to die for you homeland is funny since you know it's the men who do all that patriotic, and often idiotic, dying. Nice of you to be a patriot from your couch.

Other than that, there a moment in every fight when one side is no longer fighting; it's committing suicide. Poland was in that exact situation in September 1939 and Warsaw in August 1944. Stupid.

History / The reasons of Polish pride? [112]


F*** your analogies until you answer my question first. Then you may say: It's like...


They did. I asked about Poland and these clowns gave me a dizzying ride back to the US because they can't directly admit the obvious: Poles are all feeeelings and dumb like our brick with bad lipstick. That is why they like dying for the country - za ojczyzne. Then, they doubled down with that idiotic Warsaw Uprising - that almost killed me - trying to outsmart the Soviets.

History / The reasons of Polish pride? [112]

Looking for analogies takes more effort than answering a question directly. Especially an easy one like mine.

So, again, why, knowing the outcome, would anyone offer 100%-futile resistance against an overwhelmingly stronger enemy that is prepared to flatten Warsaw and kill women and children while at it? Was it like suicide-by-cop? Or did the Polish army actually think that they can make Germany turn tail and run back home?

So, why don't you, the historians, answer it directly without patronizing me with the events that have no connection with Poland.

History / The reasons of Polish pride? [112]

Smart American ass or not, what is a sensible answer to my simple question in #17 above without lame analogies?

History / The reasons of Polish pride? [112]


Why? There must be some logical explanation that I missed.

USA, Canada / Poles Living in the Chicago Area [302]

Zero crime is good. According to pawian, it's because it's like El Paso and full of illegal - I am so sorry - undocumented Mexicans.

It's funny how quickly we change to raving lunatic racists - as I did - when you have a couple of very white kids who happen to be females.

USA, Canada / Poles Living in the Chicago Area [302]

I meant the T. Roosevelt High School on Kimball. I lived in the building on the NE corner of Kimball and Eastwood on the second floor. The window has that white air conditioning box now.

google.com/maps/@41.9655438,-87.7131726,3a,60y,238.96h,87.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sd8FuqZ7-E3fR7YbtTJuInw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

The noise from the CTA trains was deafening as they went around the track curve.

USA, Canada / Poles Living in the Chicago Area [302]


...where it's white and safe. I used to live at Kimball and Eastwood. No way would I let my kids go to Roosevelt right across the street. So, it was bye Chicago and hello Downers Grove.

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Which is wonderful because the backlash from the chicks will be hard to ignore. Imagine of the T's were ruining NASCAR. Or men's anything. It would take a constitutional amendment to end that bs.

Off-Topic / Random Sports News [765]


Mentally sick a-hole is a better description. Sorry, ladies, that's all the compassion I can fake.