News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]

The UK (together with Germany) succesfully pushed for the Eastern Enlargement of the EU. Furthermore they also prevented a closer military integration, hence it might supercede Nato. The day they left they paved the way for Pesco and other initiatives.

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]


If you looked at facts and numbers, you would know that one country alone does not rule the EU. The EU is specifically designed to prevent this.


They never even tried it . The EU works through partnership and alliances, and the UK never tried to get others on board for their desire to change the EU, or to at least get a better deal for themselves.

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]

Case in point each time some eurosceptic politicians take power in Poland, they are forced to suck up to the American president to an unbelievable degree.

They followed the USA into an illegal Iraq war and now try to appeal to his ego by naming a military base after him. Is this really the future you want for Poland. Being dependent on the whims of his distant ally, under a status that is closer to a protectorate? Being dependent on a power that will shift ots' attention more and more towards Asia and China?

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]


You aware that all EU institutions are designed in favour of the smaller countries right? Germany gets 1 MEP per 860k citizen, Poland gets one per 730k citizen. Even the qualified majority voting favours smaller countries, because not only do you need the countries with a majority of the population, you also need the majority of countries in total. So the 12 smallest countries can defeat any majority vote, even though they account for significantly less than half of the EU population.

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]


Better to be stuck with some of them, instead of all of them.

Your ignorance is indeed funny. The Greeks, Poles and Italians could vote for Juncker during the last European election, where it was clear that the parties affiliated to him would make him head of the EU commission. A decision that was also acknowledged by the elected governments of the EU countries.


Wrong again. The Greeks were in support of EU membership even at the height of the Euro crisis, because they appreciated its' advantagtes. As do the Poles, or else they would not also be so supportive.

Only someone who has such a warped and ignorant (there is really no other word for your evident lack of knowledge here) perception of the EU as you do could think that the EU is not a massive advantage for Poland.

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]


Wrong again. Especially Greece and Italy benefitted massively from the decision to suspend Dublin, because before that they were stuck with the refugees (though Italy not longer really adhered to Dublin by 2014 and send them North anyway). It was the plight of those Southern European countries that motivated Merkel's decision, and especially Greece has been vocally thankful for it.


As befitting to the most populous and wealthiest country of the EU. But it does in no way dominate it, that is not possible the way the EU is structured. Instead Germany's perceived power in the last decade was down to its' succesful economy and Merkel's adapt diplomacy.


The European parliament is a very good example on how the smaller countries receive preferential treatment in the EU. How many MEP does i.e. Germany have per citizen compared to i.e Cyprus?


Wow, you really have no idea what you are talking about here.... . Your ignorance is staggering. Germany eased some conditions for Polish workers in the 90s as preparation for its' EU ascension, but even after its' ascension until 2011, there were still some restrictions in place. Free moevement as we have today would have been unthinkeable, especially for Polish truck drivers.

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]


Only Italy a net contributor to the budget, the other countries do in fact receive more money than they pay, which invalidates your point. And with Italy, it is not the EUs fault that the Italians elected as their longest-serving PM after WWII a man who spent more time in court battling corruption and sex-scandal cases than governing the country. Not to mention the current freakshow that has been actively sabotaging Italy's economic recovery i.e. by picking a senseless fight with Italy's most important trading partner, France.


Because it is true. Poland has the same access to the German market than i.e. France, despite being in a much weaker position. The EU allocates more power to the smaller countries than they would usually have. Sure the bigger countries are still more influential, but less than they would be in any other international body.


By "everybody" you mean everybody who has no idea about how the EU works (which as you have repeatedly proven, includes you).


Very restricted which severely limited its' trade with Germany, and by extension with the rest of the EU. Polish truck drivers can now pass freely through Germany and reach destinations across Europe, which would have been unthinkeable before.

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]


This is false. The EU caused none of the underlying problems those countries suffered from. In fact it is thanks to the pressure from the EU that some of their structural problems are (at least partly) being adressed, i.e. Greece has been forced to combat corruption, tax evasion and general inefficiency.


The trade between Poland and its' neighbours has increased and is now interconnected to such a degree that would be unthinkeable without the EU. There are few countries that depend on that so much as Poland does. Poland benefits very strongly from a core principle of the EU, which means that all countries are treated equally and get the same deals, no matter how poor or wealthy they are. This is why i.e. countries like France find it difficult to protect their economy against cheap conepetition from Poland (the EU is the main reason why France has so far not implemented any protective laws against Polish competition). This is also why Poland gets access to larger economoes like Germany to favourable conditions, and to non-EU countries like China (who are even more agreeable because they want to influence the EU via the Silk road and other projects).

The EU adds wealth and influence to Poland, that much is ubdeniable.

Life / Child abuse in Poland [64]

The authorities have not only failed the children, they have also failed every decent priest who has to deal with a lot of (in the individual's case) unearned hostility and scrutiny. There are many clerics who use their free-time to help unpriviliged children, by organizing group activities and other events. And they must now live with an everlasting suspicion.

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

And the Greeks remember this. Which is why even at the height of the Euro crisis, a majority of them wanted to keep the Euro.


The other EU leaders can't be held responsible for this. Remember before the Euro crisis, there were little to no instruments in place to control the Euro countries, as most countries vehemently resisted against this.

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]


Who interestingly enough probably saved more human lifes with his most famous invention than any other inventor in history. Not that this was his priority of course.

That being said, this thread highlights why it is a mistake to bring up reparation issue again. All it does is stir up old divisions on both sides, with some people being more influenced by it than others. And all of this just so that a certain party gets a few percentage more in the next elections (after which the issue will disappear again for a few more years until the next election).

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]


That is a rather daring insinuation. Not even the Polish government disputes the existence of this agreement.

History / History of two Neighbors: Poland - Germany Interrelations [283]

It is in any case rather impressive how much cultural influence they have. Imagine a history doku that got 20m views... .

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Sure, but it was hardly beneficial to Saxony's status, which suffered pretty heavily during Prussia's ascent (it was occupied during the Seven Year's War, and then later faced the very real danger of being annexed during the Vienna Conference after Napoleon's defeat). It is worth mentioning that there was nothing inevitable about Prussia's ascent, it used to be much poorer than Saxony, and was even exposed between Saxony and Poland. The key difference was that Prussia had a string of very competent rulers, with Frederick II being of course the most prominent (later kings were of dubious quality).

This is why August's reign is considered to be rather disastrous for Saxony. Of course, the later kings of Saxony made also a lot of mistakes. Frederick Augustus I. for example, who btw. was can be argued to have done a lof for Poland, though it was eventually for nought (he for example declined the Polish crown first in 1791 or something, because he thought that this would lead to Poland's dissolution).

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

If it is any consolation, his rule is also considered to have negatively impacted Saxony. Because while Dresden owes many of its' most famous tourist attractions to him, he also wasted the wealth on Saxony on ultimately pointless and even harmful endeavours (e.g. bribing his way to becoming king of Poland, and starting the war against Sweden). Meanwhile Prussia continued to increase his power under its' competent and frugal kings, eventually annexing large parts of Saxony.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]

@delphiandomine
So it was just the typical Spike argument than? Making some wild claims, deliberately taking something out of context while hoping nobody checks it.

Then again, this is all those people have left.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]

Yes, I am waiting. Unless you show me where in the official guideline (to which I gave you the link) is this supposed quotation.

Btw thanks, your link just gave me a virus alert.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]

@Spike31

You owe us an apology for spreading lies on this forum.

Especially one that can be so easily disproven. The quote you gave us does not in any form show up in any form in this document (as a quick text search could have told you).

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]


The official guidelines can btw. be found here (in various languages): And quelle surprise, there is no mention of children from 0-4.

who.int/reproductivehealth/publications/technical-guidance-sexuality-education/en/


And the educational aims for children from 5-8 years are as follow:

Key idea: Children should understand what is and
what is not appropriate touching
Learners will be able to:
define 'good touch' and 'bad touch' (knowledge);
recognize that there are some ways of touching children
that are bad (attitudinal);
demonstrate what to do if someone is touching them in
a bad way (skill).

All of this is on page 71 of the document.
In short, children should be able to understand when they are being abused, and know that they should call for help. Spike has been proven wrong before on this forums in the past, and this is not the first time sources do not support his argument, but honestly, this was way too easy.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]


This is really all you ilk have left. Lies, misconceptions and propaganda. Which is why you are steadily losing this fight.

When you think rationally about it, there is no good reason why LBGT should not have the same rights other. The broad majority would not be affected by it in any way, and those who are affected could lead a better life. But some people seemingly take a lot satisfacton by spitefully denying others the same rights they enjoy.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]


No word on the many paedophiles in the Catholic church, including Polish priests and even bishops?

google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/archbishop-on-trial-for-paedophile-crimes-found-dead-in-vatican-1.2332641%3Fmode%3Damp&ved=2ahUKEwix66K6xoThAhVQK1AKHSf0Cv4QFjAPegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw1PsMKCaUgRwlSiWcNQEh_t&ampcf=1

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]


This just illustrates that there are no valid arguments against it, otherwise you would not so desperately cling to words that are deliberately chosen to obscure the truth. Teaching children that LBGT is perfectly normal, and that LBGT should not be discriminated against, is simply telling thwm the truth. Nobody gets hurt, and those who are LBGT might have a better life because of it.


This is just histerical. The Catholic Church, one of the biggest opponents of LBGT-rights has now been revealed to have systematically protected priests who molested children. One of the highest cardinals have been found guilty in Australia of this very crime. A Polish archbishop died recently after tons of evidence came up that he did the same. Does that mean that all Catholics are potential rapists, and that opponents of LBGT are potential rapists too?

Again, I have yet to encounter a single plausible argument against letting LBGT people adopt children.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]


All the more important to fight for it. Things only change when you fight for it.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]

Since there is no good argument against adoption by LBGT couples (except good old bigotry), kudos to him for his bravery.
With the emergence of prominent politicians that finally support LBGT-rights, we might very well see some drastic changes in Poland within the next decade.

History / Cursed soldiers controvercy - not all Poles respect them [282]

It served the US and the UK very well in WWII. And it won the Cold War. In fact, judging how ineffective authoritatian systems tend to be, democracies are better suited to solve crisis than dictatorships.

History / History of two Neighbors: Poland - Germany Interrelations [283]


You are joking right? Those men fought more than von Braun ever did. They sacrificed their health and eventual life for a better Germany. What did von Braun ever sacrifice?

If Germany had had more people like them, we would have avoided the Third Reich. If Germany had had more people like von Braun, Hitler would have succeeded with his madness.

History / History of two Neighbors: Poland - Germany Interrelations [283]

The most generous interpretation of Von Braum is imho someone similar to Dr. Faust. He sold his soul to the Devil (Hitler) to satisfy his own ambitions. Hardly a hero in any case.

I don't know why anyone would pick him over contemporaries who deserve respect far mlre than he did. Like Friedrich Ebert, Walther Rathenau, Gustav Stresemann und Otto Wels.

History / History of two Neighbors: Poland - Germany Interrelations [283]


Because all hostorians disagree about is how many of the confirmed victims died in the KZs, versus how many were killed before they arrived there (e.g. via execution through the SD and other units).

Also and most importantly, the number you quoted was not the most accepted number of victims in Ausschwitz by historians. This was just a number the Ausschwitz museum (which was not politically independwnt) clinged to since 1945. Historians had already startened to question it decades eralier, but the political circumstances (most Western historians had no access to archives in Eastern Europe) made it impossible to verify it.

Again, we know the identities of at least 5m victims. All holocaust deniers can do is deliberately lying or ignoring evidence, but against this figure, they are powerless.


On the contrary, they prove that at least 5m people were killed.

History / History of two Neighbors: Poland - Germany Interrelations [283]


It is more likely that he did know about this, yet decided to ignore it.


Some of them. Not all of them obviously, we are talking about tens of thousands of documents. But I e.g. recently discovered a few documents in our local archive that prove the fate of a few jewish citizen from my hometown. The city got informed in 1944 that said citizens had died after being "evacuated" to Eastern Europe.


And they are going to be revised in the future as new evidwnce emerges, the main problem is that in Eastern Europe citizen records were very sparsw to begin with, which means we do not know the identity of every victim. However we can verify the identity of 5m victims, which means that any revision under this nunber is next to impossible.


No that is where you are completely wrong. Historians do not simply take a look at Auschwitz, interview a few survivors and then write a book about it. The overwhelming evidence they investigate are documents. Death certificates, registries, and so on. Just like astronomers spend most of their time doing math, instead of looking through telescopes, historians mostly have to investigate (usually written) evidence.


And the planets on pictures are usually edited before they are published to help the general publuc to visisualize them. That does not mean that they do not exist.

History / History of two Neighbors: Poland - Germany Interrelations [283]


Yes and why is that so difficult to believe? There are many cases of often celebrated scientists who later turn out to be frauds. He was simply caught early on.


Those aspects are ultimately pointless for the discussion at large. The Nazis left a large paper trail behind which can be used to pinpoint the number of Jewish victims between 5-7million jews. This paper trail aroubd with the other evidence is so conclusive that no honest historian cn deny them. Which is why you can pick out the frauds by simply looking how much space they dedicate on debunking the "flashy" evidence in e.g. Ausschwitz, while ignoring the rest.


No, because all historians disagree on how many jews were killed in Ausschwitz or in operations elseshere. The identity of around 5m victims is quite well documented.