Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


You mean like somebody with an AR-15 with a magazine capacity of thirty rounds with another magazine tapped to the one in the weapon.....good luck.


My point made, once guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
No offence Atch but you are not in touch with reality on the gun issue in America no matter how big the Irish cops balls are.

The bad guy in the U.S. would say to the cop, "why did you bring your baton to a gun fight sucker ?"

How does the saying go, "I would rather be alive coward then a dead hero."

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


EXACTLY but the Left can't deal with the facts to confront them with.


When I was ten years old I use to take my .22 rifle (uncased) and walk with it to the other side of town to the city garbage dump all by myself.

Stop on the way and buy myself a hundred rounds of ammo for $1.00.
My buddies would meet me there with their .22's and we would shoot rats all day Saturday and then walk back across town with our guns.

If a ten year old tried doing that in this day and age their would be a S.W.A.T Team called in with parents going to jail.

That is one example of how times have changed in the last fifty years thanks to the Gun Grabber Liberal teachers teaching children that guns are BAD.

But what do you expect when you take God out of the schools, pamper the kids with safe rooms, teach immorality to them as being o.k., having the feminist movement think raising children without a father doesn't make any difference, having the courts be the third parent in the marriage, giving kids real life video games that you get an extra 1000 points for shooting a cop...........I mean do you really wonder why society is so screwed up to the point these kids actually think it is normal to have a mother with a penis ?

If you really want to get to the root of the problem then lets.


Thanks Sig, will be looking into joining this week.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


That just shows how much you have been brainwashed.
Do you think it is a secret what you Liberals goal is.
You fight constantly for it inch by inch year after year.
I have watched it happen all my life.
Taking our AR-15's is just another tid bit and then another tid bid and then another until you have disarmed America, your goal.
It will never stop so the NRA is forced to put it's foot down and nip it in the bud and keep saying no, no, no.


Just the opposite.
I have a gun so I don't have to live in fear as I am to old to run anymore.
And like Sig and I both have said, "we live in towns where you never see a gun or any gun violence, zero."
Pam you are constantly trying to paint a picture of America being a war zone even after you have been told that most of the gun violence is concentrated in seven major cities in the U.S.

The rest of small town America, especially my home town is just as safe as Poland is.

Travel / Pot in Poland for tourists [285]


Give the GurlScoutCookie X Gorilla Glue cross a test drive if you get a chance.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


There you go projecting false innuendo's since you are unable to back up any of your claims with sources.
Maybe the third time will be a charm and you will comprehend the issue here.
Like I said in post #399 that you have avoided, "All of the mass shootings have been done by mentally ill people on anti depressants and anti anxiety medications" that have possible side effects of hallucinations. (Remember the shooter said that he heard voices telling him to do it)

My point here is that family knew, (he had fresh cuts/slices on his arms and his posts on social media saying that he wanted to be a school shooter while sporting several different firearms) he had been expelled from school, (for aggressive behavior) so his teachers knew, the police had interactions with him 39 times (in a two year period) so they knew that this guy was a ticking time bomb.

All of these people should have done their best to make sure because of his mental illness of aggressive behavior that he was not allowed to purchase a fire arm.


Doesn't, State Laws covers that.
Many people are excluded from owning, purchasing or possessing a firearm in the United States.
For example anyone with a domestic violence charge, prisoners, an aggressive felony charge, a felony drug charge...........
Many people in the United States are lawfully excluded from the 2cd Amendment by State laws.
And yes, the mentally ill with aggressive behavior like all the shooters have been are also excluded from owning a firearm.
And if the system had not broken down the Florida shooter would have been on that list.


Shall we use the word ignorant.
By chance do you suffer from mental illness to be so adamant about giving guns to the mentally ill ?

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

My reply to your lame post didn't deserve much thought.
In fact only a diagnosed mentally ill person themselves would think it should be o.k. for the mentally ill taking anti depressants and anti anxiety medication to own a AR-15 assault rifle themselves.

You don't have to admit to it here on a public forum however for the life of me couldn't come up with any other rational explanation.

How you coming with those sources to back up your previous claims above ?

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


Do your own homework as you seem to be the smartest guy in the room.
Do you know how Google works ?
When you get done post your source for your ill claims otherwise they are just twink fodder.


RIGHT......let's make it a requirement that all mentally ill people on anti depressants and anti anxiety medications be allowed to carry loaded guns.

Let's see how well that works out.


Maybe we should cut off the free aid to your country to bring you to your senses.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


Thanks for admitting it Lyzko.
The Left wants to disarm America TOTALLY is the issue.
They are avoiding the real issue of MENTAL ILLNESS & PRESCRIPTION DRUGS like the plague.


Wrong...................ALL of the mass shooters suffered from mental illness and were on prescription drugs.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

Sources say the victim attempted to defend himself by firing shots from his own gun, but the weapon jammed.
How could this have happened when guns are outlawed in Ireland ?

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

Because they were not professionals and at least the average teacher would have a fighting chance.
The S.W.A.T. teams are professionals in these cases.


As long as you gun grabbers refuse to face the issue and debate it the longer it will go on.
It is not the guns fault, the gun is being used as a political pawn for the Left which is typical for the Left.
WE don't choose to have guns so YOU shouldn't be allowed to have one either mentality.


Just another clueless foreigner that thinks they know what is best for America Sig.
I have an idea, let's turn this thread to the real issue to correct the problem since all these shooters have one thing in common....MENTAL ILLNESS !

All of them have been on mind altering anti depressants and anti anxiety medication.
All these prescription drugs have warnings on them not to operate machinery or drive a car because they may cause drowsiness yet none of them say, may cause hallucinations WHICH IS one of the side effects of these drugs.

Until the bleeding heart liberals understand that these mental patients should be placed in mental hospitals for their safety as well as the publics safety instead of having the rationalization that it violates their Constitutional Rights the problem is going to continue.

That's the problem, not the guns.
Like Sig, live in a very peaceful town where there is never any gun violence even though many people carry one.
Knives kill more people then guns do.
So back to my idea, let's compare and debate how Poland and the rest of Europe deal with their mentally ill population compared to how America deals with theirs.

That is the key component in these shootings.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


No it wasn't, it was an analogy to your stupid "what if remark" about an armed teacher shooting up the school.
You don't want to debate solutions, you want to disarm every law abiding gun owner in America.
That is your bottom line goal and the Europeans here should be aware of that.
We call people like you "Gun Grabbers".
When you migrated to America from Australia you knew that we have Constitutional Gun Rights so why are you so adamant.
The airplane flies both ways.


Did you not read what I posted back in post #373 Adrian ?


Here, read it for yourself that the school guard was indeed armed. theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/22/stoneman-douglas-shooting-armed-guard-did-not-go-in

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

You are TOTALLY correct on that and very good point maf.

I have taken several concealed and carry classes, mostly for the law aspect of it as I qualified as a sharpshooter when I was nine years old.

I could honestly say that 75% of the people that take those classes to qualify for a concealed and carry SHOULD NOT own a gun.
They come to those classes and don't even know how to load a gun and are constantly innocently pointing them at people.
I have had at least six people thrown out of classes for innocently pointing one at me.
This brings us to your point maf, if someone pulls theirs to merely intimidate or threaten another person and not willing to use it....it will end up bad for them.

If they live to tell about it the least they will get is four or five years in prison for brandishing a weapon.
My personal view is that if I ever have to pull my weapon that I will be using it or it stays in the holster.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

Here is a stat for you Liberals, "More knives kill people then do guns."
Again and again and again, it was NOT the guns fault in Florida, it was the authorities who refused to act fault.
How many red flags do you want !
Here, read the damn thing for yourself right from Florida so you will quit denying it.

miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201684874.html


I respectfully disagree with you Adrian.
Just type in and Google 'armed guard in Florida shooting' and twenty media outlets have stories that the security guard was indeed armed and in uniform.

Please post your source where it says he wasn't.


Try walking up to a car with stolen plates out on I-94 at 3 a.m. or search a warehouse where there is an armed perp hiding Adrain and tell me how you did.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

What a stupid analogy ........I don't think the armed guard was a good guy, he should be charged with murder for not doing his job.

If he would have been an ex-Marine the shooter would be dead.


What would happen if a stray meteor hit the earth today ?

I see that President Trump and the Governor of Florida just passed a law to raised the age to purchase a firearm to 21 in Florida.

That's more then obama did to try to fix the problem.
The teachers know what kids are potential threats.
(This kid had been kicked out of school for being aggressive..... RED FLAG..... that should have been put on his record for the back ground check)

Why not let teachers order mental evaluations on these troubled kids to force accountability ?
Because the parents would say that it wasn't their kid who is the problem and say that it was the other kids fault that their kid was running with.

Also reopen the Mental facilities that closed and turned the mentally ill out into society.
Get these people off our streets for their safety and ours.
Notice that ALL these shootings have been done by mentally ill people on anti depressants and anti anxiety pills.
(Oh and they all have been Democrats too)

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


They did have an armed guard at that school on duty.
When the shots started ringing out the armed security officer ran outside and hid.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

They don't need sorting.
The gun grabbers have one goal in mind and that is to disarm America which includes the law abiding citizens which will never happen in our life time so why even go there.

Why not face the real problem which is mental illness and reopen the mental hospitals and put the mentally ill back in them where they are not a threat to themselves or society.

That's how you fix the problem.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


That's how the Wild West was won so it worked for them.
You have just been condition Atch that guns are a bad thing when it is a bad person behind a gun that makes them bad.


I hope you are not trying to be serious Atch.
If voting made a difference they wouldn't let us vote.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


And five innocent people were just shot coming out of a church in Russia who has one of the strictest gun control laws in the world.


You people are not listening.
Take Jamaica for another example where all guns are outlawed and ammunition is too.
Get caught by the military with a gun and they shoot and kill you, you get caught by the police with a gun it is life in prison YET there are shootings every day and every night in Jamaica. (Google their homicide rate with guns)

Guess that blows your theory of stricter gun laws out of the water dunnit.

Now listen..............the kid that just shot up Florida had been visited by the police 39 times in the past on various complaints, had brought gun magazines to school with him to show off and was eventually thrown out of school.

IF there was a National data bank that this information would have had it seems it might have thrown up some red flags when he went to buy a gun when they did a background check on him do ya think ?

Plus his social media showed him with all kinds of guns showing them off, plus he was on both anti depressants and anti anxiety drugs.

If all of that information had been shared and put into one central agency no way in hell would he been able to buy a gun.

That is the problem.........lack of sharing of information with different agencies for a comprehensive back ground check.
This NOT about fixing the problem, this is about disarming America !
Did ya hear me that time.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


Which are WAY over exaggerated.
Let me give you a good example:
As I said, there has only been ONE real school shooting in America this year but according to the Liberal media I think they said there were nineteen.

One guy who live next to a school shot himself in the leg while taking his gun out of his pocket and the Liberal media called that a school shooting because his private home was within the school zone.

Give me a break.


Then all your posts amount to are merely your personal opinion.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


You just hit the nail on the head kaprys.
President Trump wants to know too.
All these agencies from mental councilors and agencies, to the doctors who prescribe these drugs with possible adverse side effects, the pharmacies that sell these drugs, school teachers who have seen violent behavior, police arrest records, court documents showing aggressive behavior all have to be tied together for a back ground check before anyone should be allowed to purchase or be in possession of a firearm or any other weapon.

This is what President Trump is now trying to coordinate.
AND......I am all in favor of it.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


Wrong again, mentally ill people are not responsible, especially with access to any kind of weapon.


Wrong again, all of these school shooters (only one this year in America) have had prior dealings with mental illness.
Their doctors don't put them on anti depressants and anti anxiety medication because their brain is working normal.
cms, you obviously are a gun control advocate but remember that all gun control advocates have one thing in common.......... 'They hate individual freedom'.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


That piece of legislation has it's purpose yet today and don't think it doesn't.
The problem is Atch that the Liberals do not want to face the issue, they want our guns, all of them, that is their goal.

The problem all started back (Bill Clinton ?) when the Liberals said it "violated" the constitutional rights of the mentally ill to incarcerate them.
They claimed that it was inhumane.
The Conservatives (common sense) said, NO, if you turn them out on the streets they will be a threat to themselves as well as society.

We lost and the mental institutions were closed and the people were turned loose.
A lot of them ended up in prison or dead.
ALL these shootings have the same thing in common, The Shooter is connected with mental illness, on anti anxiety or anti depressants that have frightening side effects.

This problem doesn't happen with responsible Law Abiding Gun Owners so why should we be punished to have our Constitutional Rights (God given) taken away because the Liberals do not want to deal with the real issue.

The Liberals do not want to deal with the problem, they want ALL of our guns has become the real issue.
Well it just ain't gonna happen in our life time in America.

Law / Why is Poland importing so much coal? [76]


Poland's coal imports increased by 60% last year by importing over 13 millions tons.
There was a drop in extraction of coal in Poland last year by over a million tons.
Does this increase mean that Poland burned 60% more coal then in 2016 ?
If so why such an increase in one year ?

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


I know that I myself certainly have been enlightened to what I have been confused with about Jews.
Orthodox Jews are the true Jew to the Jewish faith.
Zionist Jews are riding the shirttail of the Jewish faith for their personal gains and greed.
Not knowing this before I came too the P.F. is where my confusion came from about Jews.
I couldn't understand how some Jews (the Orthodox) could be so mellow and cool and while others (the Zionists) could be so annoying and demanding.

In fact most Zionist Jews don't even practice the Jewish faith.

I personally put the Zionists in the same boat I do with the LGBT's. (Annoying and demanding)
I don't hate them but I don't condone nor will I ever agree to their beliefs either.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

Who said it would increase the size of government "programs and workers" since we are totally OFF - Topic here ?

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

What is your definition of OFF - TOPIC Lyzko ?

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

Nevertheless anything...........quit your Liberal propaganda is the issue here.
You want to open a thread about what happened in Florida do it but don't try to use it for a redirect to confuse the issue here.

I would be MORE THEN HAPPY to debate you on what happened in Florida in Random Chat.
Now maybe for the second time will work like a charm by telling you to get back on topic of the thread here. (doubtful)


Trump is presently working on it and has a very good start.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


I am getting very tired of your daily Liberal propaganda Lyzko.
"Big Government" is a term coined by the democrats yet in essence obama created huge Big Government.
obama has been labeled the "food stamp president" for expanding entitlements, while the size of the federal government has "exploded" under obama.
The U.S. federal workforce rose by 130,000 under President Obama.
President Trump is downsizing the federal government.
Teflon Trump has begun cleaning house in various government agencies.
Now get back on topic and quit being so wreckless with the truth.

News / Polish cleaner claims sexual assault is OK in rural Poland [31]


What church do you go to that makes you think that ?


Here in the U.S.A. quite a few woman carry small handguns in their purses these days which has really leveled the playing field on such crimes.

The "Stand Your Ground Law" gives a woman every right to defend herself with lethal force if she is being sexually assaulted by such perverts.

Times are changing and so have the laws.

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


No, shale fracking is not something Poland needs to recover natural gas as many toxic chemicals are used by injecting them into the ground when fracking.

I have seen the yellow sludge that seeps up out of these fracking wells.
When those chemicals eventually seep into your under ground drinking water wells then what ?
Now lets talk about the shifts the layers of earth take (quakes) caused by fracking.


Spot on jon, especially Poland.
Follow the MONEY trail and you will see that the lobbyist pushing for fracking certainly do not represent the people's best interest.
Hopefully soon the Nuclear Energy stigma will soon vanish in Poland like it has the rest of the developed world.