Genealogy / Looking for old street name : Teuchertstrasse in Gliwice [24]

@BusterG, yes, you're right - that street changed names again - it's Częstochowska now:

bip.gliwice.eu/wykaz-zmienionych-nazw-ulic-i-placow-miasta-gliwice-od-roku-1989

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]

And getting back to social and political stuff:

"Artificial Intelligence"
3rd prize at the 10th International Cartoon Contest "De Geus" (2023), Belgium:

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And more:

Titles:

1. "Wings"
2. "Drummer"
3. "Coffee"
4. "Headphones":

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Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]


Yes, it does, in fact, but this is not what this thread is about.


Nonsense, many normal human beings love metaphors and paintings, including Americans who have the First Amendment lol 🙄

Now getting back to Paweł Kuczyński's art - it looks like something went wrong with my second post and I doubled the "Insomnia" piece (although it looks OK on my phone, just my laptop shows that it's doubled - strange o_O). So this is the single artwork that should be in that second post:

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Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]

"Insomnia":

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Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]

This time a batch of non-political works:

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Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]


I like them a lot too and "The Legend of the Giants" is great :) Btw, that last mural I posted reminds me of a digital painting - rich, saturated colours, the general aesthetic and those tiny glowing lights... I wonder if she's dabbling in painting digitally too? 🤔


Oh wow, that's amazing! I must admit that I didn't know much about street art, but I'm getting more interested and I would defenitely want to see such murals when travelling too :)

Btw, I think those murals are a great way to promote some cities or parts of cities that are less popular with tourists. 🤔 I've even seen people making tattoos with the designs from the murals of one of the Polish street art group.


You know, there's a controversy considering this issue - whether there's such a thing as "talent" or not. There's a division concerning this even among artists. Some artists hate that word, because it doesn't take into account how much work and practice you have to put into it in order to acquire drawing, painting, etc. skills and gives people an impression that it's some kind of "magic". They argue that this is simply a skill that you can learn and not something you're born with. And I think I agree with that to an extent, although you probably have to have some kind of predispositions for this (but what are those predispositions - I'm not sure).

Maybe artists are simply kids who didn't stop drawing and painting as they were getting older :))

Feniks, have you ever tried drawing or painting (besides when you were a kid, of course ;))? :)


Me too :) I like how clever and on point his works are.

I'll post some more from Paweł Kuczyński then, because he seems to be quite prolific :)

Do you know which painting this one is based on?:

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Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]

@Novichok, I only wrote about swastika being illegal, because you brought up swastika showing up on a wall. So, I explained it to you that it wouldn't happen in Poland. Just like a LGBT rainbow won't show up on a wall in RuSSia, but I don't hear you complaining about law forbiding "propagating LGBT propaganda" in RuSSia. Actually - you like it. So you prefer Nazi propaganda to LGBT "propaganda"? lol 🤦


So does RuSSia, but I don't hear you complaining about that.

You're a tiresome, boring hypocrite, Novichok. That's why I mentioned those Soviet monuments in Poland which you defend.

So, as I wrote, you can shove up your opinions where the Sun doesn't shine :)

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]


Unlike the US which wasn't affected by WWII as much as Europe was, Poland lost around 20% of its population (percentage-wise that's more than the Soviet Union) due to World War II and became the site of the biggest genocide in the history of humankind. And that happened because of people wearing f*cking swastikas on their uniforms and who were putting them on the walls. Survivors of the concentration camps are still alive in Poland and I wouldn't like them to be subjected to seeing swastikas glorified in public spaces in Poland. And I myself wouldn't want to see that happening either.

And I don't give a flying f*ck about what you think about it, about Polish law, art, grafitti, Poles and Poland in general. Get it, Novichok? You can shove your opinions up... you know where.

Now, we're drifting to the off topic region - about Polish law, American law and history and so I'm not going to continue this (and we had this discussion OVER and OVER again on this forum already anyway, so find someone else to bore).

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Also... There are monuments, both historic and contemporary that cause controversy. Not everybody likes them and sometimes many people don't like them - like, for example, Soviet monuments in Poland :) (+ they're often ugly ;P) Monuments are also an example of art in a public space - just in the form of sculpture :)

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]

@Novichok, from what I've noticed those murals that appear in public spaces are usually of the "tolerable" kind (and putting just a swastika as a mural on the wall would be illegal in Poland, I imagine). Just like those by Natalia Rak - pretty women + pretty flowers + cute kids (=pretty, pleasant, not controversial). That's one of the reasons why I chose to post her murals on this forum :)

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]

@Novichok, I didn't mean a mural particularly by Picasso. We were talking about murals in general. Obviously I'd prefer one that I would personally like.

Language / Name Polonization! [5]

@Torq, you devil... lol


:D

I love this one ;D


"Wołga" maybe? 🤔

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]


Oh, I would love it on mine! :D Novichok, take into consideration who you're talking to - I love art :)


lol
Are you kidding?? Imagine how much money such house would be worth then ;D

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]

@Alien, could be... In my neighbourhood two blocks of flats were renovated in a rather short time span not that very long ago, including mine and another one is being renovated right now.

And getting back to topic, I'm honestly in awe of artists who make murals on entire walls of a few storey buildings... Even though I can paint, it still boggles my mind lol I don't know how they do it - I'm guessing that they are probably using a grid to scale up or sth, but still - it's wild... 🤯 🤩

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]

@Novichok, yeah, it looks horrible... It doesn't seem like people are living there... 🤔

That was 7 years ago though, so who knows what happened to it.

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]

@Novichok, by "run down" I meant "wyglądające obskurnie" and not unfit for living or use. I didn't know how to put it in English.

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]

Since we've switched to discussing painting on walls :) - murals by Natalia Rak, a graduate of Academy of Fine Arts in Łódź, born in 1986, who's creating both in Poland and internationally:

First the artist:



And her work:

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It does seem to be happening in Poland these days too:

infoludek.pl/szczecin/miasto-wskazalo-lokalizacje-przeznaczone-do-malowania-graffiti/


Yeah, it can make some run down, gray buildings, etc. look less depressing, I guess.


Me too. I especially hate it on historic buildings. And I despise those a$$holes who cover proper street art, murals with their ugly scribbles, destroying people's work :/

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]

Nonsense, both the US and Poland had and have both intelligent and dumb graffiti :)) (although I don't know what's so "intelligent" about supporting gang drug sales) Stop trolling, Novichok.

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]

Wow, I didn't know about this, thanks!

And even in those times people complained about it lol - a quote from that Wiki article:

Writing around 100 AD, Plutarch wrote of graffiti: "There is nothing written in them which is either useful or pleasing - only so-and-so 'remembers' so-and-so, and 'wishes him the best', and is 'the best of his friends', and many things full of such ridiculousness".

:D

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]

@Novichok, that's graffiti and there's nothing particularly "Polish" about it. Graffiti originated in the US - so maybe that's why you love it :)))

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [188]

And some more:

"Islands":



"Dinner":



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Paweł Kuczyński, a graduate of Academy of Fine Arts in Poznań who was born in 1976, is an illustrator and a satirist who won a record high number of contests.

Some of his works:

"Escape" - watercolours and coloured pencils on paper, 22 × 33.5 cm:



"Smoczek" ("Pacifier") - watercolours + coloured pencils on paper, 29.7 x 21 cm:



"Ukryty" ("Hidden") - watercolours + coloured pencils on paper, 22 x 33.5 cm:



"Księżyc" ("The Moon") - coloured pencils on cardboard, 30 x 30 cm:



"Monument":





"Mur" ("The Wall") - watercolours + pastels on paper, 29.7 x 21 cm.
This piece won the first place at Satyrykon 2023 contest:

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News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


Oh, why is that this time? Because it's obviously short enough. You're as pathetic as Novichok when he's losing an argument.

Btw, do you know why I called you an a$$hole? Because already from those earlier posts I could see that you're most probably a lost cause. So I continued this discussion to see more of your true colours and for the benefit of others - to spread some info and awareness.


I've just put you on a certain list of mine too.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]

@pawian, sorry, but you have the time to discuss with me, but not to read one post? Stop being a lying a-hole.

Summary:

1. According to research AI art generators can't be "trained" only on AI art, because then they stop working properly. So it looks like they have to continuously steal human art.

2. AI art generators don't imitate, they "physically" steal existing art and photos from the internet. There have been reports about AI artworks containing signatures of existing artists and watermarks of photo stock sites.

3. I will post an example, but I have to do some digging to find it.

Short enough for you? 🙄

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


Well... :) I'm not an expert on this, but according to research it's apparently possible that at some point AI will start "eating its own tail":

popularmechanics.com/technology/a44675279/ai-content-model-collapse/

"Another recent study, similarly posted to the pre-print arXiv server, studied AI image generators trained on other AI art. By the AI's third attempt to create a bird or flower with only a steady diet of AI data, the results came back blurry and unrecognizable."

So, it looks like AI needs to continuously steal human art in order to work properly.


Cloning humans was banned by law in many countries because it was raising ethical issues. So this kind of "progress" could be stopped. The AI companies could also be banned by law from scrapping copyrighted artworks and forced to use only open source art and photos and art and photos that author's would contribute out of their own will (for money, for example - at least they would be compensated).


No... I don't know how to explain this to you... Do you know what collage is? You know, when you take pieces of different photos or different artworks and put them together? That is, to simply put, how art generators work. They don't "imitate", they use actual art and photos. AI generators don't even know what is imitating. They don't know or understand anything, because this not real AI. They don't even know that humans have five fingers and not six or four lol Even kids know how many fingers people have :)


I've seen such an example. I'll post it when I find it, but I'll have to do some digging.

Btw, there have been reports about AI artworks containing signatures of existing artists and watermarks of photo stock sites.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


I guess I am, but first and foremost I think I'm simply more interested in art and I've seen more of it than you.


I'm just sharing my observations. What you stated is simply not true. I mean - I've seen new, original, individual art styles of artists with my own eyes lol 🤦


First of all, it's apparently debatable that he said that. Popular quotes are often attributed mistakenly to famous people.
Secondly, getting inspired is something different than stealing. And that's what the current AI art generators are doing - they're stealing.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


Of course it is possible lol I've seen plenty of new, individual, original art styles in my life. You don't seem to know or understand much about art.


Sorry, but no lol


Of course not :)

Besides, I pointed out that AI isn't capable of creating a new art style, because you quoted a comment about people getting more "creative". And because one of the AI creators' lies is that AI art generators "will boost artists' creativity" LOL 🤦

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


Then don't lie that you didn't read my post, because I called you an a$$hole.


If AI would be capable of actually inventing a new art style that would mean this is real AI and not an advanced, thieving "collage making machine". That would be at least interesting and first and foremost - legal. But that's not what current AI art generators are.


You don't know that.


No, they aren't. It seems that few people care about this, the ethical and legal issues and, as it looks like - about visual artists themselves. Human greed is clearly more important than ethics and empathy.

But we won't go without fight.