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I'm merely advocating for a system where punishment fits a crime. Alas you are enemy of independent Poland.


I wouldn't say this is an accurate description of what is going on at the moment. I would even go that far as to say to you are either clueless or biased.


Your point of view seems to be very limited and narrow, personal connections perhaps?

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Allegedly.


Alleged threats. Although nobody is a lone island.


You got it! ? Go mingle and demonstrate, as a prefect prove who is in fact an enemy of this country.

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If PiS is gone then it will be our turn and this time it won't be ballot and bill but more direct means.


Question is do I want to do anything about it? now.:)

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Said a foreign thug aiming to protest against legitimate government.


Establishment's last stand - good their are digging their own grave.

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Traitors run to them crying they have lost an election - help big brother prison sentences awaits for us for being your loyal lackeys.
F the EU! Europa commission full of scum.

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In your head!

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Credible? What make it credible that you like its results?

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Fair enough but on the other hand you imply that you are doing something you are not talk about, I call that rubbish.


No, I think that anyone connected with this nutter you posted link to is indeed deluded left extremist and should be sent to the North Korea.


Is that because you are not going after all or is that what you hope for?


Hmm, perhaps not but than on the other hand .....:D


Need I remind you that contrary to what you might believe majority people in Poland are not happy with what has been going on for the last decade and they expressed they preferences in the recent election voting for antiestablishment parties.


Rather PO is going bonkers in their hysterical and total denial of the fact that just have lost an election, they behave like a petulant child stumping their feet in an impotent rage. No more public money for that herd of swine !


Makes not difference and doesn't make them atheists or supporters of your progressivism crap. I'm not practicing too - boo!


Rubbish

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If what you are implying is true, nobody cares, and an assumption that if somebody is gay he/she automatically has to embrace all that nonsense that is associated with a political gay movement is not only wrong but erroneous.

If you think that rumors that he is a gay would change the way he is being seen, you don't understand Poland. If anything he would gain sympathy.

Anyway all that chit chat and gossip makes no difference, gay-parades as well as privileges for gays are utterly redundant.


Well, bimbos don't form political movements and don't demand privileges,.

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You started it, you and your pal Harry, incessantly going about how much you are contributing to Poland and what a great assets you are and so on and so forth until you ask for specifics.

Then it comes to light that your BIG contribution amounts to being a native English speaker making living in Poland due to that fact.. Unless you are counting as a contribution a fact that you are siding with some sideline left extremist and nutters in Poland and writing rubbish on PF in those moments you aren't trolling or stalking people.

Harry told me that his contribution amount to not claiming a tax rebate he could have claimed. Brilliant. I couldn't make that up.


Yes but if you are taking part in the anti-government demonstration and associating with extremists that can constitute one of those rare circumstances.


Well, that demonstration in Warsaw you are going to, max attendance, I say between 30 to 300 people, do you think it will be difficult to identify all participants if comes to that? What if it'll be known that half of them are foreign nationals? Some of those foreign participants might have their residency papers revoked being considered a potential threat to national security.

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Aren't you painting quite unashamed a rather faltered picture of yourself. I would argue that your contribution to Poland is rather questionable.

So Delphi do you have Polish passport or not? If Poland or Britain or both leave the EU you will find yourself in the pickle without it.


They could make an exception for an individual of foreign extraction who seems to be amendment in overthrowing a legitimate Polish government.

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I read you, no need for a nasty email. just saying.

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Take your pick. I couldn't care less.

That is a prevalent theme while talking about fall of the Soviet union - Germans took them down. did you know it? You are behind the times maf.

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Lies:
1" It has violated the constitution to replace the previous government's appointees on the constitutional court".
2 "The populist Law and Justice party "
3"put partisans in charge of the intelligence agencies"
4 and 5 "purged officials and backtracked on Poland's commitments to the European Union."
6"The new culture minister threatens to purge the public broadcasters."
Some BS and meaningless blah blah:

a-"Poland's economy has been the flagship of the EU's eastward expansion, proof that democracy and the rule of law can spread. Its stability, prosperity and pro-European orientation have won it respect and diplomatic clout"

b-"The conspiracy theories that PiS favours play on Polish feelings of victimhood which are deeply held-and deeply self-indulgent."
Really? Would that excuse me if I put a boot up your hmm ...behind?

"PiS's animating drive is hostility to Poland's liberal, secular, urban elite."
Rather to the motley of dilettantes, hypocritical, corrupted, criminal, post-communist, parasitical mob sucking out all the wealth from Poland and sidling with foreign companies doing the same. While leaving general population living in squalor.

"Catholic nationalists, Eurosceptics, anti-corruption zealots, conspiracy theorists, protectionists and agrarians."
Generally people who think that being a German colony in Europe and being ruled by a clique of criminals and hereditary post-communist oligarchy/establishment is not a best way for Poland to progress and develop.

" Antoni Macierewicz, one of the worst plane-crash conspiracy theorists, is now defence minister"
How he can be a conspiracy theorist when a cause of the crash haven't been found out. His theory is as good as any.

"PiS opposes gay rights"
Gay privileges -and kudos to them to stop that madness.
"President Andrzej Duda has vetoed a sex-change law for fear that pregnant women might become men before giving birth."
That is a clearly a mockery - I expect that people who doesn't know first thing about Poland will be fooled.
"Mr Kaczynski warns that Muslim migrants "carry diseases"
Which is a fact that has been confirmed and only to be expected but I guess it wasn't very diplomatic on his part to say it, well he is old and clearly not a diplomat.

"There are murmurs of putting Mr Tusk, now president of the European Council, on trial."
Dealing in gossip now? A magazine for professionals, put some naked women on your pages.
"This lurch towards populism will hurt Poland"
Oh? Is a democratic election populism? Only a right option in power is truly democratic? I hate to burst your bubble you are professing totalitarianism.

"The European Commission's plan for redistributing migrants across the union faces dissent from Hungary and two other members of the Visegrad group, Slovakia and the Czech Republic" - yeah and Britain, Denmark flatly refused to take them, is that hush hush?

Anyway guys you are behind the times even Swedes say it is enough.

"The plane crash in Smolensk was an accident."
Loo and behold we have a prophet in our mist!

"Good relations with Germany benefit Poland, especially in opposing Russian aggression in Ukraine"
Err what? Come again....
"The new government has only just started its vandalism."
That sir or madam is a slander are you ready to face charges in the court of law?
"In normal times Europe could afford to wait (...) But these are not normal times(...)Countering them will be much easier with Polish partners who are part of the solution, not part of the problem(...)Its citizens should tell PiS to stop now."

Hell, that is serious that is incitement against a legal government, foreign legal government it could create diplomatic crisis.

Who wrote it?


ah cowards?
By the way articles warning against PiS in the New Yolk Times sorry York Times written by Rick Lyman in cooperation with Joanna Berendt from GW.

Traitors?

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Actually I would support anybody who would pull down the system, but for the record PiS is too much to the center and too soft in few key issues.


Stop ,delph I understand that you are only trying to learn how to pull strings but you are so obviously clueless that it sounds pathetic.


I know what is happening in Poland, if those clowns as it inevitably happens annoy enough people supporting change they will have their mugs smashed in, then they would be unable to jabber very loud.


Run to your mama in the old blighty and tell her that those Poles are so afoul not at all like noble Britons. That is your constant theme in here innit?

Don't try to lecture me what is appropriate and what not, this is my country and my people and you have little sense and no manners.

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They are living and breathing abuse of democracy and mockery of the nation.


All six of them? In their shoes I would be worrying what will happen if supporters of the government meet them in numbers.


Anybody can cut and paste in color, it doesn't prove anything.


Everybody know that Soviet union was brought down by three German flunkies.


Questioning results of democratic election eh?


By the low scum who should be rounded up put against the wall and summarily executed.

edited - no arguments please


Don't talk about something you have no clue about!

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Allegedly PiS controlled media. You have no proof only allegation and gossip.


Your amusement derives from ignorance or you feigning being amused by that here in order to use that argument borrowed from PO crowd, They do not realize being dunces that by saying that they admit they holing PiS to higher standards than them by default admitting their are a low scum and drifters.


What#? Rule of what? Are you another jester here?


Indeed.

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What are you talking about delph, I know what I'm talking about, you seemingly are just showing off for fun.


TK lost all the respect and reason for its existence has passed together with the martial law.


You seems to be struggling with understanding of the issues here, theoretically TK is there to rule whether or not bills passed by the Seym do not go against Constitution. Somehow whatever PO, SLD and other post-communist parties of the system for the last 25 years done have been always legal according to TK even if people who make a living by practicing law were certain it wasn't so.

Coincidently only acts and bills going against interest of the system and post - communist establishment are allegedly illegal according to TK.
I call it BS!


PiS wants to be able to rule and there is noting wrong with it! After all PO was ruling unimpeded for the last few years and you have never uttered a protest.


No they don't, absolute power exists only in your head. They need to be able to act if they are to deliver on promises and expectation and most of Poles don't give a damn about all that TK issues where PO and others twerps have gone hysterical when it sunken in that TK won't be controlled in toto by the PO cronies /nominees.


Quite the contrary my dear Watson, even if those five nominees of PiS will be appointed still PO nominees will have majority in TK.


Nobody is bothered by what Constitution says, noPO no PiS and neither all those cretins that are whining about destruction of democracy just because a party their supported lost in democratic election; it was supposed to be temporally solution before a proper Constitution could be introduced, something Kukiz opting for.

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Supreme power belongs to the people, who are acting through their representatives and TK cannot rule in its own case. If there is a doubt as to competency or other functions of the TK it is up to the Parliament to solve it, not TK. It is easy enough to understand.


I can life with that. :)
I'm curse though do you understand issues involved and stakes at play or you just meddling for a share hell of it?

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Nay, according to the wonderful trio of jesters.


No it is not. There too many shady deals and BS on part of the TK to let them get away with that this time. After all judges are nominated and Seym is elected.

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Given that it was Jaruzelski who established TK during the martial law your words do sound funny.


On the other hand I don't know whether you play slow or simply are slow.

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High time to discard that old commie institution.


wrong


Nope mister you have no clue.


Indeed.


That what I have said yesterday in here.


Well, those who bother to vote, they care but they voted for changes and against the se, their are not going be bothered if PiS will use hammer to dismantle the system.

PiS was playing by the rules last time and they lost big time.

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PiS OFF?

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well few words springs to mind like practical and wise for a start .

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Why would he stand up to JK? Just for jollies? I guess they talk over their differences in tactic instead of flaunting them publicly.


Doubt that, they can tell them to scoot ! and rightly so

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You are disappointing. Anyway do you really think they stated all this without a plan? They won't let it stand.

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Well, throws that Tribunal out as a useless relict of bygone days. If they dare to be judges in their won case. nemo iudex in casua sua/

@mfsYou sound like a reasonable guy and I no help but to wonder where form you are going all your information,
Should read - you sound like a reasonable and I cannot help but to wonder where from you are getting all your info. :)

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Kavi is that you my friend? I though you passed away some time ago.

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You sound like a reasonable guy and I no help but to wonder where form you are going all your information, not only about that issue but also implying that PiS is driven by an immature nationalism.

Alas you are simply mistaken on both counts.


They are doing these because PO in June make a mockery of the Constructional Court nominations so they are redressing the balance.
Also they lessens possibility that bills passed by the Parliament would be blocked by the CC obstruction.


Well Kornel Morawiecki who is not PiS member said:
"Nominations in June were breaching procedures and so are nominations appointed by PiS, However the nation voted for PiS and that party should be allowed to govern, there cannot be any institutions that are allowed to impede or that renders governance by the democratically elected government impossible."

I see it differently though, it is reverse of an unlawful act of the previous parliament namely PO party committed when they realized they are going to lose an election.

Imagine if nominees to a Supreme Court would be appointed and accepted before any vacancy would have occurred, in advance so to speak.