News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]




Lies:
1" It has violated the constitution to replace the previous government's appointees on the constitutional court".
2 "The populist Law and Justice party "
3"put partisans in charge of the intelligence agencies"
4 and 5 "purged officials and backtracked on Poland's commitments to the European Union."
6"The new culture minister threatens to purge the public broadcasters."
Some BS and meaningless blah blah:

a-"Poland's economy has been the flagship of the EU's eastward expansion, proof that democracy and the rule of law can spread. Its stability, prosperity and pro-European orientation have won it respect and diplomatic clout"

b-"The conspiracy theories that PiS favours play on Polish feelings of victimhood which are deeply held-and deeply self-indulgent."
Really? Would that excuse me if I put a boot up your hmm ...behind?

"PiS's animating drive is hostility to Poland's liberal, secular, urban elite."
Rather to the motley of dilettantes, hypocritical, corrupted, criminal, post-communist, parasitical mob sucking out all the wealth from Poland and sidling with foreign companies doing the same. While leaving general population living in squalor.

"Catholic nationalists, Eurosceptics, anti-corruption zealots, conspiracy theorists, protectionists and agrarians."
Generally people who think that being a German colony in Europe and being ruled by a clique of criminals and hereditary post-communist oligarchy/establishment is not a best way for Poland to progress and develop.

" Antoni Macierewicz, one of the worst plane-crash conspiracy theorists, is now defence minister"
How he can be a conspiracy theorist when a cause of the crash haven't been found out. His theory is as good as any.

"PiS opposes gay rights"
Gay privileges -and kudos to them to stop that madness.
"President Andrzej Duda has vetoed a sex-change law for fear that pregnant women might become men before giving birth."
That is a clearly a mockery - I expect that people who doesn't know first thing about Poland will be fooled.
"Mr Kaczynski warns that Muslim migrants "carry diseases"
Which is a fact that has been confirmed and only to be expected but I guess it wasn't very diplomatic on his part to say it, well he is old and clearly not a diplomat.

"There are murmurs of putting Mr Tusk, now president of the European Council, on trial."
Dealing in gossip now? A magazine for professionals, put some naked women on your pages.
"This lurch towards populism will hurt Poland"
Oh? Is a democratic election populism? Only a right option in power is truly democratic? I hate to burst your bubble you are professing totalitarianism.

"The European Commission's plan for redistributing migrants across the union faces dissent from Hungary and two other members of the Visegrad group, Slovakia and the Czech Republic" - yeah and Britain, Denmark flatly refused to take them, is that hush hush?

Anyway guys you are behind the times even Swedes say it is enough.

"The plane crash in Smolensk was an accident."
Loo and behold we have a prophet in our mist!

"Good relations with Germany benefit Poland, especially in opposing Russian aggression in Ukraine"
Err what? Come again....
"The new government has only just started its vandalism."
That sir or madam is a slander are you ready to face charges in the court of law?
"In normal times Europe could afford to wait (...) But these are not normal times(...)Countering them will be much easier with Polish partners who are part of the solution, not part of the problem(...)Its citizens should tell PiS to stop now."

Hell, that is serious that is incitement against a legal government, foreign legal government it could create diplomatic crisis.

Who wrote it?


ah cowards?
By the way articles warning against PiS in the New Yolk Times sorry York Times written by Rick Lyman in cooperation with Joanna Berendt from GW.

Traitors?

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Actually I would support anybody who would pull down the system, but for the record PiS is too much to the center and too soft in few key issues.


Stop ,delph I understand that you are only trying to learn how to pull strings but you are so obviously clueless that it sounds pathetic.


I know what is happening in Poland, if those clowns as it inevitably happens annoy enough people supporting change they will have their mugs smashed in, then they would be unable to jabber very loud.


Run to your mama in the old blighty and tell her that those Poles are so afoul not at all like noble Britons. That is your constant theme in here innit?

Don't try to lecture me what is appropriate and what not, this is my country and my people and you have little sense and no manners.

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They are living and breathing abuse of democracy and mockery of the nation.


All six of them? In their shoes I would be worrying what will happen if supporters of the government meet them in numbers.


Anybody can cut and paste in color, it doesn't prove anything.


Everybody know that Soviet union was brought down by three German flunkies.


Questioning results of democratic election eh?


By the low scum who should be rounded up put against the wall and summarily executed.

edited - no arguments please


Don't talk about something you have no clue about!

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Allegedly PiS controlled media. You have no proof only allegation and gossip.


Your amusement derives from ignorance or you feigning being amused by that here in order to use that argument borrowed from PO crowd, They do not realize being dunces that by saying that they admit they holing PiS to higher standards than them by default admitting their are a low scum and drifters.


What#? Rule of what? Are you another jester here?


Indeed.

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What are you talking about delph, I know what I'm talking about, you seemingly are just showing off for fun.


TK lost all the respect and reason for its existence has passed together with the martial law.


You seems to be struggling with understanding of the issues here, theoretically TK is there to rule whether or not bills passed by the Seym do not go against Constitution. Somehow whatever PO, SLD and other post-communist parties of the system for the last 25 years done have been always legal according to TK even if people who make a living by practicing law were certain it wasn't so.

Coincidently only acts and bills going against interest of the system and post - communist establishment are allegedly illegal according to TK.
I call it BS!


PiS wants to be able to rule and there is noting wrong with it! After all PO was ruling unimpeded for the last few years and you have never uttered a protest.


No they don't, absolute power exists only in your head. They need to be able to act if they are to deliver on promises and expectation and most of Poles don't give a damn about all that TK issues where PO and others twerps have gone hysterical when it sunken in that TK won't be controlled in toto by the PO cronies /nominees.


Quite the contrary my dear Watson, even if those five nominees of PiS will be appointed still PO nominees will have majority in TK.


Nobody is bothered by what Constitution says, noPO no PiS and neither all those cretins that are whining about destruction of democracy just because a party their supported lost in democratic election; it was supposed to be temporally solution before a proper Constitution could be introduced, something Kukiz opting for.

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Supreme power belongs to the people, who are acting through their representatives and TK cannot rule in its own case. If there is a doubt as to competency or other functions of the TK it is up to the Parliament to solve it, not TK. It is easy enough to understand.


I can life with that. :)
I'm curse though do you understand issues involved and stakes at play or you just meddling for a share hell of it?

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Nay, according to the wonderful trio of jesters.


No it is not. There too many shady deals and BS on part of the TK to let them get away with that this time. After all judges are nominated and Seym is elected.

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Given that it was Jaruzelski who established TK during the martial law your words do sound funny.


On the other hand I don't know whether you play slow or simply are slow.

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High time to discard that old commie institution.


wrong


Nope mister you have no clue.


Indeed.


That what I have said yesterday in here.


Well, those who bother to vote, they care but they voted for changes and against the se, their are not going be bothered if PiS will use hammer to dismantle the system.

PiS was playing by the rules last time and they lost big time.

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PiS OFF?

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well few words springs to mind like practical and wise for a start .

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Why would he stand up to JK? Just for jollies? I guess they talk over their differences in tactic instead of flaunting them publicly.


Doubt that, they can tell them to scoot ! and rightly so

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You are disappointing. Anyway do you really think they stated all this without a plan? They won't let it stand.

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Well, throws that Tribunal out as a useless relict of bygone days. If they dare to be judges in their won case. nemo iudex in casua sua/

@mfsYou sound like a reasonable guy and I no help but to wonder where form you are going all your information,
Should read - you sound like a reasonable and I cannot help but to wonder where from you are getting all your info. :)

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Kavi is that you my friend? I though you passed away some time ago.

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You sound like a reasonable guy and I no help but to wonder where form you are going all your information, not only about that issue but also implying that PiS is driven by an immature nationalism.

Alas you are simply mistaken on both counts.


They are doing these because PO in June make a mockery of the Constructional Court nominations so they are redressing the balance.
Also they lessens possibility that bills passed by the Parliament would be blocked by the CC obstruction.


Well Kornel Morawiecki who is not PiS member said:
"Nominations in June were breaching procedures and so are nominations appointed by PiS, However the nation voted for PiS and that party should be allowed to govern, there cannot be any institutions that are allowed to impede or that renders governance by the democratically elected government impossible."

I see it differently though, it is reverse of an unlawful act of the previous parliament namely PO party committed when they realized they are going to lose an election.

Imagine if nominees to a Supreme Court would be appointed and accepted before any vacancy would have occurred, in advance so to speak.

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What do you mean? I'm puzzled by your post. Anyway gay in Poland keeps mostly to themselves expect for few clowns who are flaunting their sexuality in the media for their own advancement.

History / Polish military uniforms - collar markings [74]


in this case 1919 - 1921.
Capitan of Haller's Army. A the time in this army served some 24,000 Polish-American volunteers.

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Are we supposed to read your mind? What photo?

News / Poland's PiS party members and crime [346]


I think you are thinking about your dear leader Mao.

News / Poland's PiS party members and crime [346]


Stop spreading lies. You are very close to cross the line.

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Your BS is getting old Bs. If somebody who consequently criticized PO during their long and crime ridden rule would came on this forum and to criticize PiS nobody would say a word.

Yet those unsuspected strangers standing out like dried drops after shytstorm that after only two weeks of PiS in charge are bringing all alleged crimes, real, made up or imaginary in an attempt to mudsling which are so obvious and pathetic.

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No, the main difference is that PO wants to be in powers for its perks and to hire they friends whereas PiS what to strengthen Polish state.


Nonsense delph!

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Really? What was American Revolution about then? They believed to be pampered too much by the King and had enough?
Wasn't 9/11 a case were Americans felt wronged by the big hostile jealous world?


A lot? Anyway they don't have to understand him, it is not required in this job, he is there to take care of Polish interests.

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He must have some quality or other. Macierwicz is a very original character and very difficult to understand for foreigners, I can tell you he is a very intelligent man without any sign of often suggested mental instability.


That kid must be fluent in English being a student at Rutgers University or so they say. After all adviser to minister is not a senior position and one could argue choosing an advisor is prerogative of that dude in charge.


Pathological? Could you explain what do you mean by that?

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [870]


I think its lack a significant amount of value even as a scientific theory as a tool to describe reality is simply useless as it fits most of the countries of the world. Everyone sees itself as wronged victims or forced to action by a hostile world.

Any harm done by the nation is not its fault and any harm done to the nation is definitely the fault of malevolent actors
In the ancient Rome that was a standard way of describing war waged in the name of the Roman people.

I don't see any particular relation of your revelations to PiS other that they assert that Poland needs to defend her interest and that is true.

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That is quite enough Harry. I see that my posts are causing your state to worsen hence I will ignore you for a while for your own good.


Would you care to elaborate? It is hard to phantom how you could come to such a conclusion?

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Well, there is always a time to educate yourself Harry,


Hence you are not even a Polish citizen I cannot be bothered. I leave it to the investigators.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [870]

Every law in the book Harry. It wasn't the way an independent government goes about a crash of their head of state airplane. That was disgrace and a blatant display of dilettantism in action unless there were sinister motives involved and that need to be investigated.

there is no way that some party can believe itself above the law and above consequences of their actions, not even your beloved PO.

News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

Traitors are working overtime producing tones of articles in western press by PO and GW based sources, money and dudes.


I don't care if they look bad as long as their a doing a good job. They got their mandate from the people in Poland, so why don't you stop whining and trying to discredit results of democratic election. Do you have Polish passport? NO!