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Hmm... I would say that no one should expect to be given privileges in a foreign country over a local population.
Those 'rights' and those laws that he enjoying in his own country created a certain public space for him to what he is used to, and if in a foreign country expected to be given the same public leeway so to speak is an error. Demanding it is just not on, at least to my mind.


Chemikiem I'll make my points (yes, I do have a point to make or two:) just bear with me) after I'll address your points.

I disagree it is as saying - this is not your country, you should tune yourselves better to its ways.
Still, as I have stated repeatedly it is very unprofessional, they shouldn't have said it to him, that is clear and beside the point.

Reading into it something else than poor standards of the police in Poland is a simply misunderstanding of the circumstances and issues involved and is a kind of a cultural prejudice we are all oft guilty off.

Those policemen havening no understanding how that trifle issue (for them) of someone coming to blows with a bouncer (because I'm sure it wasn't first or the last time when someone had some alteration with bouncers) will be viewed abroad, said what they said meaning well.


You see but that bouncer was perfectly within his rights to deny him the entry. You might not like it nor you need to but that is a fact that is overlooked by the press.

According to the law saying you are not going in buster - is perfectly legitimate. Hence that Shih remonstrating with that bouncer put himself into ambiguous position in the eyes of the law in Poland. If a Pole would be in his place he wouldn't have a slim chance to win in court against that bouncer unless he would have sustained serious injuries!


No, I meant what he was complain about to the police? As you see being bared from entry is not against the law.


Chemikiem I'm with you on that point as I have made it clear from the start. I only object to the ways that case has been misreported and misread in the press. Also I think that each country should devise such solutions and laws to address those issues as they seem fit and proper rather follow blindly ways of the others.


Are they increasing? I don't know, after all if they increased that would be only after Germany and then EU got that idea to send those illegal immigrants to Europe to all countries - what did they expect?

Solution - solve that problem and those assault flamed by the news will decrease.


1. Chemikiem - not at all, as I have written repeatedly here I disagree with the way that case has been misrepresented that is all.
2. I said that the police is Poland is not very professional and they fail in properly response to the complain made by the Shih stems from the fact that they couldn't be bothered with the paper work involved that would be needed if they would have officially reported that incident rather than from their alleged 'racism'.

3. Excuse me Chemikiem but people in Poland know better without special laws and stuff.
4. I think that there is no need for the special 'racial' laws in Poland and if ever that need arise then those issues can be addressed by Poland on her own - no need for helpful hands and all that, thank you!.


Geez Chemikiem I never claimed that Poland is perfect. Hardly, if you would read closely what I have been writing here you would have known that I'm extremely critical about Poland to the point that I said that all that alleged 'elite' in Poland are just a scum and they need to be replaced and Poland needs to be make anew as a workable country that is not so hostile to its own people.

Majority of voters in Poland agree with me hence PiS won an election with the promises of the major change - as they put it a good change!


Sorry, an assault is assault there no need to debate about that, all assaults and crimes should be and are punishable by the law and no one says any different. Saying that there is not need at least in Poland for a all new category of a racist crime to be introduced to the Polish legal system that at any rate need to be fixed it to work at all.


That would end up with Poland's exit from the EU. That is a crazy idea, I wonder why none can see that?


I honestly don't know Chemikiem, so I can't say. However I wouldn't be surprised if he would somehow pulled the data from his backside, wouldn't be the first!


On a basis of him being a real D!

By the way Chemikiem I'm sorry for misspellings and grammatical mistakes I'm making and I know that it makes reading less pleasant but honestly I would have to read it again and correct all the errors- and I can't be bothered. I'm really Sorry, hope you'll not hold it against me!

All the best

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Save yourself a bother.


Poland has a crappy, shaky and corrupted system and that need to be fix better late than never.


Ah because there is out there system that is not depended on a government one way or the other.


Get rid of the system transferred from PRL and from people that have been in that system for years, new people, new blood in highly inefficient system is an improvement at least first and necessary step.

I doubt though PiS have balls to see it through.


Sonny, that is pre-1989 system in different environment.


OH yes they're and a big time too!


run along boy and go play some Legos or rpg! Grownups are talking.

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Excuse me? Have you seen your mug lately in the looking glass?

That Eurovision BS is just a big fat trick played on people....but it ain't funny this is just a pure crap. Who is the winner in the crap contests? The biggest pile of crap ta da !

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Well I do hope he'll get all of them useless muppets out on their ears!


Still that would be a change for a better. A change that Poles voted for.
PO, GW and that Petru cretin are finished but it seems they don't realize that truth as yet.

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Crow get into your head that Russia as is now and in the foreseeable future will not support any kind of concept that would or could constitute a base for creating Intermarium. They would readily abort such an embryo than not. The only concept Russia would embrace would be a shell of Intermanrum but in fact Russian dominium, as it used to be for Soviet Union.

You seemingly are unable to grasp what that Intermarium concept is all about but rest easy that Russians are not that slow.

back on topic please


I know Chemikiem but there seems to be myth spread amongst folk on PF that I'm somehow aggressive and nasty towards posters here. So I used this opportunity to explain to some of them why they ended feeling my boot kicking their backside. Also I cannot abide fools, it simple stupid people full of themselves get my goat.

I suppose that that nerdy part of my brain kicked in with this need to explain things. :)


Let focus in what is important here Chemikiem. That Shih case is not so clearly cut and dry and as this case has been presented by the press.

First of all


police officers in Poland are not required as far as I know to communicate in English, so I don't know in what language they have communicated with the guy.

If that policeman was able to speak some English or someone from bystanders impromptu translated to him they couldn't have a good reliable standard of English. I'm certain what he says they have said to him is not a good and reliable representation of what actually was said to him.

So, once more much has been lost in the translation.


Let me 'translate' it for you - people in Poland are not used to people of different races and to interact with them.


-Especially after those attacks in Paris, that created anti-Muslim feelings (hey you got turban on - are you for real?)-


- Shyt happens.-
(Come on you are a big boy, nothing actually happened to you, live and learn.)
As I said not very professional but what he was exactly complaining about? That he was denied entry? That is a private establishment and they have the right to deny an entrée to anyone they choose.

Assault? I'm sure that bouncer could have produced witnesses to state that that Shih was tying to forcibly enter that joint.
In fact there were little they could have done and they just saved themselves lots of paperwork.
Thing is legally there was little that could have done to that bouncer unless Shih wanted to spend his time and money to peruse legal means and sue him.

All that ruckus is due to the fact that Britain is used to treat any assault on a colored and minority people like an assault on a stability of a state itself. On the one hand there is a numbers ethical and racial minorities in the uk on the other people have been killed only due to their skin color.

Poland doesn't have those problems. He was in Poland before and nothing had happened even though he is walking about with his characteristic turban, hell even in the USA one or other Shih found himself on a receiving end of anti-Muslim tirade.

Nobody has been killed due to skin color in Poland. Poland is a relatively save country, safer than UK and I say it again, he wasn't assaulted per se, he just walked into a situation he totally misread. Happens.

I guess I disagree with the way that case has been told because its misinterpreting the truth.


Let me put it this way - regardless of what is right and what is wrong------------------------------------ and the ways things are working( or not) in practice we are not here to debate shortages or lack of the police or other institutions-------------- in Poland.

We are here (at least I know I'm ) for a very simple reason - I disagree with the way that case had been presented.


Chemikiem some things are universal, you might not get it as a woman but for a man signs should be clear enough to see, unless he was intoxicated, or country that his status (protected minority) in the uk would apply in Poland. Maybe he is just a gullible dude who lost his way in a foreign country, we won't know for sure.


I'm certain that is the only way plus gun ownership and a capital punishment, plus flogging for unruly boys and gender segregation in schools. No state health service or benefits. Well, I'm getting ahead of myself. Lets go back to the topic at hand.


Indeed and I'm saying that there is no need for such laws in Poland in the foreseeable future. What would be the point? Different problems equal different solutions.


That dude is a useless douchebag, he has said that unfortunately those patriotic organizations are abiding the law and there is nothing that can be done to disband them. Whose Human Rights he is ombudsman for? Are patriots not human in his eyes, those kind of cretins get my goat!

So all this alleged data he is presenting I wouldn't trust further than I could spit.


I highly doubt that is the case. However working courts, the police that is doing its job properly instead of focusing on opposition that would be a real improvement for law and order in Poland.

Hence the change is needed and PiS promised such a change and voters vote to power, let see what they are gonna do.
Properly working legal system and the police should be enough improvement for now.
Remember that those opposed to them are those who will say anything to get support but who will do very little if anything and who are mainly shady looses. So fi they seems to talk you talk they'll not deliver.


Indeed premeditated attacks be it on a private property be it on people should be met with a rapid and severe response, either by the armed about-to-be-victim or/and by the state.

All the best.
:)

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Well, IF you WOULD start labeling people,IF instead of argument you would use slogans, IF you would get hysterical only because I would point out that your argument is illogical, If you would call me a Nazi or a brown shirt, IF you would talk to me down......

Then and only then I most certainly would call you those names and then some more .....:)
If you on the other hand you'll continue to debate as you do, there is no chance in hell that I would treat you otherwise than with respect and courtesy as good manners dictate.


As I said I don't think highly about professionalism of the police in Poland (there is a lot to improve) but I think that they would have reacted differently if he had sustained severe injuries.

I think I need to add it - that would be the same if he was a Pole.


You see we don't know the real circumstances of that case. We only know a one side of the story and that story altered by a journalist I'm sure.

In my understating he had a very slim change of getting the police involved, because those brawls in front of the bars, pubs, nigh clubs and whatnot are just not given a proper attention by the police, especially if a customer, a patron is accusing security guys of those establishments. Unless there are really serious injuries, they just ignore it.

Possible those people could be called as the witnesses (maybe they wouldn't want to be involved) but as far as I understand he called the police much latter or just went to the police station. You see we don't know much details.


That is what I don't understand, that doesn't make sense to me, his friends went ahead and at least one of them was Polish I gather. He should have known that Shih in Poland is an entity unknown, and that wearing that turban could cause problems for him with a bouncer, why his friends didn't wait for him, or translate for him - seems fishy to me, maybe those people weren't his real friends.


This is Poland! :)
Generally, state institutions are hostile towards its citizens, and you don't call them unless you have no choice and they are not used to react to some alteration if there is not severe injuries. People expect help from their friend and immediate family, nobody else, certainly not from the police or courts.


By expecting the same treatment he was used to in the UK? No? Well, I mean to say that he could have walked away given the fact that that bouncer acted in a hostile manner. I don't know, I know that in his place I would have either walk way or ready myself for a brawl. He didn't read that situation correctly - still not his fault but those friends of his....


Not only Polish, in some part of the world they not only kick you out but strip you form all your belongings. Anyway, I have been the last time in the night club a decade ago. So, I'm not an expert but I know that security personal in Poland is not well trained or selected.


Ditto!


I'm saying that regardless of the reason for an assault the law should treat each assault in the same way.


For a philosopher! For the law there is not difference (or shouldn't be) if someone has been attacked because of the color of his skin or because he was wearing a hat.

What matters is that someone was assaulted for no justifiable reason.


Well, short of hanging them by their scummy necks on the spot there is no much you can do about it. Opinion that says that a new laws will eliminate a certain kind of a crime or anti-social behavior is just an illusion.

On the other hand if that dude on the train had a gun he could have defend himself. Yes, an unrestricted access to gun ownership is the only feasible solution to that particular problem.


Oh that was long time ago in a certain area with a certain reputation, just a regular albeit characteristic hat.


Well, his English wasn't obviously good and between what he said and what he meant and what that Shih understood is a big sea of we don't know - that leave us some space for an educated guess.

My guess is - 'hey what did you expect coming with a turban to Poland looking like people imagine an Arab look, after all those acts of terror people think that all Arabs are terrorists or near enough? Poland is not UK where populace is used to your strange customs and different look'.

Not very professional but that what I would expect a Polish policeman to say. It is impossible for me to imagine that he would say, 'hey Poland is a country for white people and you brown people are coming here on your own risk and peril'. In fact I don't see it at all. Lost in translation obviously.


Buy a gun and you can look like Obama's lookalike and be able to defend yourself.


I thought that you from all people would like to look behind surface to search for people's INTENT! I find their intent and mindset much more chilling and disturbing (malicious) than in those other two cases. Given the fact those people are very young what else they'll come up with in the future? I just hope they'll wise up.

All the best!

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I suspect that it was because owner of the security company that the bouncers was working for has some connection with the police i.e. he was a retried policeman or one that employ policemen in his company or both.

Also it might be to due to the fact that in Poland there is no hate crime laws (as for as I'm aware) and the fact that he was just punched and by the bouncer didn't bode well for the success of the persecution .... Meaning he would be out in no time at all.

After all he was a bouncer and they are given some leeway in using force against people who what to enter a private club without their consent...


Don't argue with a bouncer?


In this case I cannot agree with your point of view, he got punched in the face because he was arguing with that bouncer - that plain and simple to see! If a Pole would have had acted as he he would be punched in the face as well.


Help him with what>? Racist attack? That clearly wasn't that. Bouncer barred him from entry and he was trying to shake his hand, touched him maybe, it could be interpreted as an assault, even if the police would arrest him and persecute him he would have been found no guilty or would has to pay a very small fee.

Yes, the reason he was barred from entering the club was racist. However he was punched because he foolishly believed that by playing the race card he can gain an entry to the club and that was his mistake.


Chemikiem no-one deserves to be a victim of an assault - period.
However as speaking form experience those bouncers, not only in Poland are swift to react, and they not hold back, thing is they have right to do it if you don't listen to them, if they say - you're leaving now mate, you better listen or they'll kick you out.

Maybe owner of those clubs should step up and upgrade their security if they want foreign guests in their establishment.


No, they don't need to be as I have already explained to you. As long as they're attacked and assaulted the same law should apply to all cases. Of course all evidence of each and every case should be closely examined.

People are being attacked for being different by all kind of people all over the world. Civilized country should treat those attacks in the same way, impartially. If you say that one kind of motivation for assaulting people are worse than other you are saying that same people are being privileged, you are creating resentments and turning clock back to the middle ages.


Hmm... I would go at the wrong time and place. Also him looking youngish played part. His doesn't look Arabic, he look different and this kind of scum prey on that. In the time past I have been attacked because I have been wearing a characteristic hat.


See, part of the press in Poland is using those few incidents in their political warfare against their political opponents. Hence such seldom occurrences are getting a lot of coverage in the western press.

Sure, but a guilty party is being punished as far as I know and that is that.
I don't think that going on the path of legislation with that silly and backwards "hate crime" and "color first" legislation would do much good.

I would rather that penalty for an assault would be more severe and treated more seriously - that should do the trick.


On the contrary Chemikiem, he said " that fact that you're dark skinned will not give you any sort privileges that you're used to in your country"

If a Pole would be in his stead he wouldn't fare any better, oh yes he might be not singled out by the bouncer but if he would and stared to remonstrate he would be for the same treatment.


No, but the first two examples were just random occurrences that could chance on anyone, especially with that Shih who could have walked away from the trouble.

Whereas in the case of the restaurant that was premeditated attack, that was planed and that prove a malicious intent not only scummy company. To my mind that is much worse as those boys could be the real racist not just gutter scum.

That is if they haven't been paid by the competition to do that.

As always all the best - I enjoy debates with you :)


You could be well right on the other hand - you could be wrong. :)

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I never claimed that it was and If I have give an impression that I did, I apologize. Yes, I'm not denying that the last decade or so have seen anti-Muslim and anti-Arab sentiment on a rise in Poland but also across the world.

My point is that instead of creating special task forces, political bodies or specific laws to combat crimes against people that stem from these sentiments. It is quite enough to implement those laws that already exist.

If somebody is assaulted that the aggressive party should be deal with swiftly, justly and severely regardless of their and their victim gender, race, ethnicity or skin color. That is only fair and justice and that is real equality.

The law need to be impartial. Sure some people aren't and justice is not always served due to human flaws but that is the way of things and there is nothing either you or I nor can do about it.

I tell you want happens when laws are being tempered with and special bodies created to "protect" minorities, people of color and so forth, injustices are still out there but those "protected" are being treated differently than others, with a kid gloves, officials, policemen are not rather let an assailant go or punish unjustly someone because he is white than deal with accusation of racism as you have been witnessed recently in your country.

What more majority is getting to their head that its them that are being discriminated against and instead of wining their hearth and minds, combating racism and xenophobia you are sweeping problems under the carpet.

While resentments are growing and growing and in the end your "special measures" are creating more racism, xenophobia, prejudices and resentment.
The only difference is that people are not open about their views, they are wary of the consequences of openly speaking their mind and some people take it as a sing that racism or xenophobia is on a wane. Rather foolishly I might add.

I'm not aiming at condoling or excusing any criminal behavior of the unruly elements of the society in Poland. There are always some people that are like that and every society out there has them. There are always some criminal or otherwise unruly boys in their 20' in flocks acting like fools.

Saying all that I must add:
I don't know the details but that Ramon case could be the wrong time and place issue. Some local trains abound Warsaw are not that save, plenty of unsavory people living in some or other areas and some are more prone to attack people on the train, especially when there is less people around - in my mind it could have been anyone, they/or he just picked on him.

Think is he is looking young, a young ~(or looking young) males are more prone to be targeted.
So whoever goes there on a local train services around Warsaw - just don't travel alone, at night time, make sure there are people around in a car. Just as a general precaution.

Saying all that bear in mind that you are still LESS LIKLY to be attacked than in the most major cities of Europe or America.


I disagree, as I'm reading what the police in Poland (I don't think much about their professionalism by the way)told him, to my mind that sounded like an advice - listen in Poland you cannot count on the same attitude to you as you are used to in your country, i.e. if you think that you can insists on doing something just because your are black or Sikh you will land yourself in the heap of trouble and we won't be able to help you.

Security people in Poland are overtly aggresse types and much can be said about their firm and bosses who are mostly former commie secret people characters.

However I as read that circumstances he has been denied an entry to the club, admittedly on a whim of the bouncer, but that is the way it is. He might not like it, he might not agree with it, he could have been even angry but he as well as a Polish person in his stead had a choice - he could have just walk away or get himself into brawl.

Lecturing bouncer, trying to shake his hands, those guys are buzzed up already and he read it all as an act of an aggression by a turbaned Arab. (for most people a Turban equal an Arab equal Muslim)

I his home town UK, a white bouncer would think twice about punching a back person but in Poland such an attitude doesn't take you far. As that Shih found out the hard way.

(By the way I came across one or two Shih in the course of my adventurous life and they came across as annoying, seems like that attitude we are better than you is oozing through the pores of their skin even if their are courageous enough. Well, I could be wrong err is human. No matter that was me going off the topic here.)

So far, to my mind the only attack of any real significance was on the restaurant when some really bored couple of boys with too much on their hands went viral and will pay for that.

That all tell you that mass media are opium for masses. :)
All the best

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Sure, the blood was up due to illegal immigrants tramping across Europe disregarding borders, something for which an European would be arrested, charged or even shot! Also news of all those assaults and rapes in Colonia didn't help to calm the waters and due to the campaign of the EU freaks and Merkel that wanted to send all those guest she invited to her country to other countries - forcibly if needs to be.

So, yeas that was very much on the news and a drunk petty criminal with a buddy bloodied a nose of some Syrian (Christian) who lived in Poland for years, aasutlant get served what they deserved for their criminal behavior and that is end of story.

Maybe Some countries need a special laws and specific bodies and task forces created only to tackle problem of racist assaults and xenophobic crime, kudos to them if they need countless numbers of the manpower devoted to that issue.

Must have a very aggressive, unruly and xenophobic as well as extremely racist societies if they need that.
In Poland the police and courts need only to step up and implement existing laws, no need for a special measures, no one should get away with assaulting people for whatever reason bar self-defense.

The EU Council should be sued for a slander!

On the other hand maybe they don't like considerable freedom of speech and people were openly saying things that totalitarian mindsets in Brussels don't approve. If that is the case that it must be said that European Council is calling for banning freedom of speech. Talking about oasis of totalitarism.

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Really? Poland is the problem here? In Germany people are being killed because of racism and xenophobia, every day at least hostel for refugees goes up in flames . In France Jews are hiding their Jewish identity to avoid aggression. Yet for the EU Council Poland where not a one person was killed due to xenophobia or racism is the problem?

Somebody has mental problems or bigotry in their DNA, or it could be all that simple as a lie made up to force Poland to walk the line and because they believe that they can get away with it Scot Free.

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Thanks you, I take it as a compliment coming from you.


So what exactly is your point? Why you bringing up all the time that "Polonia" thingee? Overall majority of them are of Polish origin and that is that. What it has to do with your line or reasoning? Do you even have a line of reasoning? Is that you are just jabbering away all that comes to mind?


Hey really? Would that be because French are keeping to themselves and don't mix with others?


Wasn't his mother Polish Radziwl? According to your he was "Polonia" then.


Hey, now I know why he is an arrogant dick. Takes after France.


Do you mean that not so short as a propaganda has it a Corsican?


Can you afford to board Chattanooga choo choo?


Geez there must be something in the water, them living two centuries or more.


Are they not French of Polish origin? Boy oh boy you need to keep your narrative consistent and logical on the pain of sounding like an idiot.


Plenty. I have proved that you are just a chatter box. You prattle and prattle and make little sense if anything.


So there is still a hope there after all.


A Franchie old bird evidently.

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What about them? I don't dig you! There are those that claim to be "Irish", "Italian" and so forth, what it has to do with anything? There some "French" in Louisiana and others in Quebec, they don't claim to be French because French are very snobbish and insular.


About 10 millions in the USA, and some where used to be Poland lands in the east. Few there and here, but what is your point? If not for their claims you wouldn't be able to tell them apart from their neighbors. What on Earth are you rumbling about?


The point is these people are not immigrants, their ancestors were. Spot the difference!


Yes, and Jews are genetically to be usurers and French are born with a with flag stuck in their rectum, and 'we surrender' tooted on their forehead.

For a leftie bird you are full to the brim with prejudice and racism or is that hate?


How is that different to others? Especially to your preferred ethnicities and religions like Jews, Muslim but not only?
Immigrants form all walks of life and continents while immigrating in numbers tend to drift into the same regions and willing or not live in a close vicinity, is not as if they were pre-planning that.


Still they are overwhelming minority. Poles don't have colored people leaving in great numbers but Poland doesn't have heritage of colonialism, slavery and of importing cheap workforce into their country.

There were always materialistic and practical reasons for France and Britain looking as they look now. Funnily enough you look at the consequences for your greed motived actions and have a cheek to say that is the norm.

Hell, it isn't.
Are you stupid abut to claim that it has anything to do with racism attitudes of people in said countries?
Well, Moroccans I happened to knew in the time past claimed that French people are very racist. eat that!


Who cares for their reports. That is BS like all that commission.
So in Germany people are being murdered for being colored refugees is cool. where every day a refugee hostel go up in flames? In France Jews are hiding their identity to avoid being targeted, their places of worship are being attacked, and yes it is Poland that is xenophobic when no such things are going on and if an old headstone on unused Jewish cemetery is being sprayed by hoodlums ones a year - the POTUS feel the need to make a statement about it.

It stink to the high havens of double standards and hypocrisy but you all the same came here and prattle like a stupid little libtard.

All those figureheads for European corporations sitting in the EU commission are talking too - all they say is a lie and BS.

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Born in Poland? I would say approximately between 3 to 5 millions. Some of them are living outside Poland temporary.
I think that you as another French-speaking bookkeeper for shady deals 'Junkier' or whatnot are familiar with shady and creative numbers.
Those people who identify themselves as Polish or of Polish origin outside Poland amount to about 22 millions. Those are people born and/or raised in foreign countries and they exist in those countries as a fully fledged citizens of those countries, so I don't see a reason to bring them into all that.

Given Poland's troubled history number of 4 millions out of 37 millions doesn't strike me as a particularly great percentage.


Seems like German press could learn something about providing true information at least when it comes to numbers adding imaginary 200 000 to 40 000 is a bit excessive.

Well at least they misinform an lie in style - Soviet style.


Progressivism has a new, or not that a new definition of racism,it is all and any generalization about social groups, other ethnicities, all and sundry minorities of all kinds and shape that can be interpreted as offensive.

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Thank you for your response. I'm asking because I can see there banner that spells POBUDKA and I surely know nothing according to you but I know enough to know that that organization has nothing to do with KOD or PO or other forces you are supporting. Would I be right that your picture shows those 1000?


?
I can say that there on the picture are more people than 1000 even 20 000. I think europeonline got it the other way around and there was 240 000 people from so called right wings groups and only 1000 of those commies that are going against grain.

Hence we have that picture explained.

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Could you tell whose gathering is captured on the attached picture?

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Bugger off slave! Nobody is forcing you to buy a gun.

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creative book keeping?

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That is an error, every willing Pole should be armed. Guns should be sold on the every street corner.

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Unfortunately for you people in Poland love it! They don't want no more PO, or what not, they are done and spend as force in Poland.

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That would be a good thing too.

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Hmm those people you talking about surly make a lot of splash but they are supported by a tiny percentage of the society in Poland and that is something you are overlooking in your siding with minority who is supported mostly by foreigners and very few Poles.

All those judges should be fired and new people should be appointed in their stead.

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How about you shut your pie hole? Talking disported reality and arguing that the water is dry 'arry? When anybody with a two brain cells together can see that TK is at fault and is taking side in a political strife.

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Well, if you're afraid of becoming a victim of a pogrom in Poland you should leave immediately.

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De gustibus et coloribus non est disputandum.


What is the Hitler salutes? They are ordering some refreshments - coffee for me, and me!


Hmm.. given a fact that at the time Poland was under rule of an authoritarian government which came to power after a coup, your reasoning on a shaky ground here.

The same goes for that right wing label. That coup in 1926 had been supported by Socialist, Communists, all kinds of left wing entities plus by minorities (including Jews). The only people who would call that government a right wing were Bolsheviks at the time (to whom all parties were right wing except for themselves) and ideologically biased people today who have no clue.

It wasn't doggy, it was student/young people organization. Rmemebr that there were two organization called ONR, ONR (proper) and ONR - phalange. Obviously present day ONR looks for inspiration to traditions of ONR (proper).


You must have a very queer view about Sancja. As to today there is noting that would make them unacceptable as far as I know.


According to Soviet propaganda not to facts.


Yes, young people in Poland are catching up to their traditions and that is a good thing.


I hope that those kids are really kids that is they are underage, Otherwise I see a court case brewing


You kinda bring forth some argument but those are pseudo arguments. There is nothing new, nothing that their predecessors haven't done with abundance, somehow you were very quiet then. So forgive me but there is that funny thing while I'm reading your posts I hear nothing but squalling of a pig that lost her easy feed.

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Geez, Maciarewicz is an old school leftist, ONR has nothing to do with him. Majority of them are a very sensible young people and have nothing to do with fascism. Those are facts. What you are saying is just ideologically biased spin.

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Hail Maciarewicz! :D
that make my day!
just imagine .....:D

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-academic
that academician who should be kicked out of the uni after 1989 together with all bunch of folks that are pretending to be liberals now and when the time was nigh they were just humble servants of the totalitarian regime! - bloody scum.

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Tweedy, Poland is following Europe's example after all. Moment - don't make me laugh in Germany alone 290 people were killed due to real racism in years 1990- 2014. Trump that kmiocie.

Slandering a political party for that is just something that can be expected, not that here is any basis for it.

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If they don' depend on Government for money at all than we have an issue here, if on the other hand they do - no issue.


Expert investigators? Somehow I doubt it. Also as far as I know they rather hire experts, as they have a day job.

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Horse owners could be mistaken you know. That is all just not enough evidence if any to support your and their claims. That should be investigated properly not used in a propaganda war. .


Those are general questions - ask me specifics and I'll answer.