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Ironside   
27 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Otherwise I get to say that Poland

Barney is Irish.

It should be "Non-native & EXpats who think America shouldn't have gun ownership for every reason under the sun please make blanket statements here___ "

As a matter of fact that thread is about - The right to own guns: would you support such legislation inPoland?
Have a good day nevertheless!
By the way there is the thread about guns in the USA.

Wow Zimny you

police do not pollute this thread with off-topic rubbish.
It is not about hunting.
Ironside   
27 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

The military and the police should be the only institutions allowed the right to deadly weaponry, in my view.

soldier or policeman is no better than an average Joe. Sometimes even worse when it comes to so called professional soldiers.
Ironside   
27 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

, DO YOU think you should be allowed your own Apache Helicopter?

It is sidetracking because I never said that I want or need one.
As the means of defense for a civilian such copter is useless.
As a matter of curiosity are you anti-military as well jason?
Ironside   
27 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Ironside:
Car, tram sickness, crossbow

Tell me the last time any one of those things way used purposefully to kill more than 10 people.

I don't know about tram or cross bow but car few years back some maniac killed seven people and injured few more. There was poison in Japan that killed more then ten people, and can we count bombs or home made bombs - you don't need gun to make them.

Sickness few years back killed hundreds - like swine flue.
You are sidetracking,as tragic as it may be ban on guns would not made the world into a safe place for everyone.
Ironside   
27 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Here is an example of how liberals like Piers Morgan use emotion

What a arrogant prick. Calling people name from behind his armed guards. That what is wrong with those liberal tootsies with no morals and double standards. They think they are better than everybody else.

Because I don't have any reason to trust what you'll do with it.

You jason seems be one of those people who think they can control their surroundings and other people. I hate to be the one who is gonna burst your bubble - but the world ain't working that way. No gun is needed for something that could happen to people including you or anybody. Car, tram sicken, crossbow - As much as I do not wish you ill - I'm telling you that your safety is not quarantined and you can do only so much to ensure your own safety. I must stress that your fear of fellow men and guns is simply irrational.

Depends on what requirements there would be to legally own a gun.

contrary what you may believe i do not postulate for Poland to introduce American system regarding a gun ownership. They had centuries of tradition and practice behind them and they can do well with what they have.

For Poland I want to see recognition on the legal level that any citizen under certain condition can legally buy and carry gun. So far guns are for chosen few and rules are murky and discretionary.
Ironside   
26 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

2- nothing emotional about wanting to keep the status quo.

Yes it is emotional reaction if you don't know facts.

I would seriously study the changes if we were going to vote on them

It is for Sejm to make those changes - where you took that idea from that you would need referendum for that?

I know more than you think

How would you know what I think?

I don't know as much about it as you because I'm content with the current state

yes because -

I never wanted to have a gun.

So why concern yourself with those who just want a reasonable chance to get a gun?
Ironside   
26 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

owning a gun is not a natural right

Sure it is. Gun is just an extension of bow and arrows or a spear. Those who wanted have a say in a tribe had to be ready to defend themselves and their tribe and in that way earned their rights.

From Two fundamental rights, the right to refuse or consent to taxes and the right to own a gun. Remains only one - so far.

Not in Europe though.

but when I mention Poles deciding in a voting that they don't want guns you say we would deserve sliding into self-enslavement?

Sliding - Poland already there but for one inch.

Cool.I can only say that I'm glad that there are no signals that Poland will change the gun ownership laws.And I'm happy noone can force it on us.

You don't even know what the law is like and what changes some people postulate. You are reacting emotionally.

You have to form a reasoned logical position, the nonsense about fighting a tyrannical government is a case in point. It's an empty slogan and hollow threat for a situation that will not arise.

Maybe it is maybe it isn't the point is that is not the only argument pro.
Ironside   
25 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

sure it is and freedom of choice should be equally acceptable for a gun ownership. Those who want to own a gun should have the right to do so and those like you who don't want them shouldn't quire them. That should be legally acceptable.

However people who don't want guns shouldn't impose their opinion on the others.

Easy, boy.

Don't call me boy unless you are over seventy sonny.
Ironside   
25 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

It's about controlling guns that shoot bullets into people that don't want them.

As a matter of fact it has nothing to do with you.If i want a gun or if i own dozen of guns it dens;t affect you in anyway. You are not going to be held responsible for my actions. You can want whatever you want but you cannot tell me how to live and what to do- as long as I'm not-affecting you and your rights in anyway - why would you attempt to inference with mine?

Because out there are nutter who can harm people? You are not able to control all people or to control what nutters would do or not- that impossible. Are you some kind of control freak?

nutter with dedication can do much harm without a gun.
Ironside   
25 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Who are you to telling me I cannot have a gun if I want one - legally.

There are at least 4 such beaches in Poland and have been for many years.

yes but he would like to stroll naked about a town and in the park.As he said Germans are strange.
Ironside   
24 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

This is circular, we are back to who makes the decision that the government is tyrannical and is that self appointed cabal tyrannical?

A General consensus?

Not really, defending your home in a fundamentally unequal and artificially created political entity is a matter of survival. More guns means more guns on both sides which means more death. Having weapons would not solve the base problem.

Well weapons can only help with self-defense or hunting they are not meant to solve other problems. More deaths in the short run in the long run it maybe mean less deaths and suffering.

The fantasy is that the talk of fighting tyranny has zero perspective of how and what it would look like. If everyone had weapons the result is the same though with more death.

Maybe, maybe not it is up to citizens to decide. After all making decisions for others IS tyrannical.
Ironside   
24 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

When fighting a tyrannical gov decisions will have to be made to shoot some poor fellow in the back of the head or decide that he is still a target when off duty taking the kids to the cinema and so on.

Not if weaponry is owned by the majority of citizen and they just resist enforcement of tyrannical law.

On the other hand defending your home and area is a very different question.

If you have no weapon then your options are limited. I'm afraid it is very much the same qestion.

The fantasy talk of the gun crowd really annoys me its just pub talk they have exactly zero idea what they are talking about, their ignorance is staggering and extremely dangerous. They may live in a cowboy movie but the rest of us live in the real world.

what is fantasy? That if most of citizens own guns they can easier defend themselves than without guns.

Iraq demonstrated that at whole country armed with AK-47's, RPG and large amounts of explosive could not evict an occupying army.

You are talking about invasion onto territory of foreign country - it is not quite the same thing.
Alas we are not talking about wining battles, maneuvers and offensives but about resistance against usurping body. If they cannot effectively enforce their laws they are done for it. They cannot enforce them if citizens have practical means to defend against force.

They cannot be everywhere at the same time.
Say they want arrest some dude (no guns) they send three to 12 troopers and even if some people protest they are in and out no problem. Law enforced.

Now there are guns in the neighborhood - they would have to send at last four times the number with armored cars and possible air support to arrest the guy.

Now, they have million or two such people to arrest they cannot do that, not at the sometime, they have no enough personnel to do that. And not all military or police people would support government in such scenario.

I afraid you have fallen for the Borg propaganda - all resistance is futile- no it is not.

Anyway it is not only about resisting tyranny. It is about being citizen with the right to self-defense.
Ironside   
23 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Those who elect the lawmakers are by and large very happy to have strong gun laws in PL.

Soviet mentality, but yes I'm afraid that you are right.Sad.

There are so many holes in the gun nut crowd's arguments that they cannot answer any pertinent questions, that's why they mouth hollow slogans.

I just wonder, you are intelligent man Barney and you seems to fail to grasp the idea of gun ownership for citizens. I just don't get it.
Ironside   
23 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Even If one does, hunting weapon is not really good for self protection... anyway It needs to be kept locked at home for most time and can be carried out only If one goes hunting...

Who is talking about hunting weapon? I'm saying that getting a gun license for average Joe is next to impossible.

If people were allowed to do that, there'd be feckwits firing guns too near public roads, shooting whatever species they like in whatever season they like.

Probably quite a few/ However if they are entrusted with the right to vote and choose representation they should be trusted with weapons even more so. If they behave as you say then there are is a law to deal with them.

The only way for people to behave responsible is to be burdened with responsibility.

Yes. The days of farmers keeping their shotgun next to the kitchen door are long gone.

well at least you can have black-powder shotgun without license, which tell you something isn't it? Tell you that gov do not worry about half-wits shooting each other but they worry about intelligent people together shooting them out of the saddle. Cannot do it with muzzle loaders so let them have it, but modern weaponry - no way Jose.

Unless you are a gangster you will never need to defend yourself,

Never?lol
Ironside   
23 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

How do you control those people? You don't want a police-state, but you want people to labeled as fit and unfit to have access to guns?

They are unfit to have access to duns by their own deeds or their health. Label? I'm not obsessed with a quota or and false presumptions of equality.

You wouldn't be happy if your bus diver would have been blind just not to discriminate against visually impaired people.
Common sense.
On the other hand you have no calms on the though that gun ban would mean punishing all people for the deeds of few.

^
^
clams=qualms

Ktos:
What free people?
Nigerian Pygmies

:DDDDDD

That's my very point, we don't need guns in Poland.

That is your point. My point is that Poland should change her laws in regard to gun ownership.

How difficult is it obtain a gun legally in Poland?Anyone?

for an average hard working honest Joe with connection in the right places - very, very difficult.
The point is that even if you meet all laws requirements still commandant of the police in your county have decisive say in whether or not you will get license to buy and own a gun.

He can just say - I don't see in your circumstances anything that would confirm that you need a gun.
If you want to hunt you have to join the hunter club and pay extra for the privilege.
Ironside   
22 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

All these men, women, and yes, children laying in graves are just the price we have to pay to ensure anti-government zealots can feel like they have a fighting chance (which they don't) should Uncle Sam turn ugly?

Well, first of all people armed have better chance to defend themselves than unarmed. Also they can defend themselves aghast criminals who would have been armed regardless of what regulations you have in mind cause they do abide by the law.

Second of all attack at schools are due to unregulated health services and rules about mentally ill individuals. Why nobody campaign for better control and regulation of drugs, psychiatrist and their patients? Because nobody-care? Why pick on gun?

And how are we to know whom is sick and whom is not? Or whom will not become sick?

Well evidently most if not all of those who attached children had been diagnosed with one or the other of mental illnesses.

There is no way to control the people, so we must control their access to deadly weaponry.

Only people that need to be controlled are criminals, mentally ill and politicians the rest is just fine. I wonder why would you put your trust into hands of politicians who proved to be untrustworthy many time over than in your fellow men.

Total control of weapon including criminals would mean a total control of people because you cannot have one without the other. i would rather than some people where controlled than all cause it would means totalitarianism in which you are safe or not. It is up to you masters to decide that.

Well-regulated.... means regulations.

Well regulated in the language of 18th century - mean - well trained.
Ironside   
22 Mar 2013
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

is to keep kids safe and gun-related deaths to a minimum.

What has kids safety to do with gun-related deaths? Surly gun-related death overshadows greatly those instances when kids have been victims of some mentally-sick individuals.

The main fallacy of authorities is to let mentally ill individuals ream streets unchecked and nobody seem to be responsible. Are those medications do not procure side effects? Why psychiatrist are not scrutinized or punished for falling in their duties.

Those aims can be realized by others means than disarmed of society or total gun control by a central government. Are politicians agree that is not possible? Why don't they step down then and let those who can do their job properly?

The right to own guns is aiming further than to keep gun-related deaths to minimum. Its aim to keep society free from any force that would change society into slaves a master could kill at will.
Ironside   
21 Mar 2013
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Evidently not, if someone else was controlling who can live there.

I don't know anything abut Brainsk but an idea that town or city could be autonomous and can have enjoy said right is nothing new. That it was Jewish majority who controlled said town is not impossible.

so what do you disagree with jon.
Ironside   
18 Mar 2013
Life / Don't Forget: Tomorrow, March 8 is Women's Day in Poland! [140]

I was talking about French facts, from a bunch of French sources.

So either you are discriminating women in you so oh great and socialist France or those sources are just made up to suit someone agenda. About 30% difference in salaries between woman and man on the same position with the same qualification? where do you live Polson on the moon? Respect? For someone who swallow all kinds of creative statistics from newspapers? phew!

A person who cannot recognize absurdity (for example, worshipping Obama as a Messiah) will always be a pawn

What are you talking about/? are you blaming women for fallacies of democracy? that is an absurdity if I ever seen one.
Ironside   
18 Mar 2013
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

with comments like this, it's clear that your knowledge of those times comes mostly from the movies.

With comments like yours one has to wonder how you are you able to find your way from point A to point B.

Maybe this will make it clearer: many Poles, as long as they were getting paid, considered the risk worth it.

I mean you would engender life of you and you all family for some gold? I think it unlikely. IF and that a big IF some people would do that - so what? Did they help or not?

Once the payments stopped, the risk became unacceptable.

Really? I mean you implying they would be kicked out right? Well I don't think it would have been so easy as you make it sound.

You also seem to have no clue why the Jewish family was so mad at my father's family after the war.

Well it is your father tell us. I'll hazard a guess, they had to pay for accommodation more than they liked, probably expected a free ride.

There are bad people be it Poles or be it Jews. Most people are just confused as your story confirm regardless of their ethic or religious creed.

I could tell you about a Jew who hidden by member of the underground during German occupation as soon as Soviets came helped them to hunt down his benefactors - he got what he deserved - many like him did not.

So what?

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Ironside   
17 Mar 2013
Life / Don't Forget: Tomorrow, March 8 is Women's Day in Poland! [140]

I don't think Zimny hates women,

Neither do I.
I think that he is right in those posts of his I have read. What is so offensive in his way that so many posters jump on him? Certain aloofness he display towards others posters?

His views? He has a right to his views and opinions.

That's what I thought too ;)

Well Polson I have no beef with you so do not mean to offend you. However I must say that you seems to be a someone who would rather react than think for himself.

Source ? I

exactly G, our Polson reads too many women magazines sorry even there they wouldn't spread such crappy lies, that must be feminist websites. I just wonder whether Polson is there in order to get laid or he is she in the real life.