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Do you really want to talk about fact and unadorned reality rather than biased anti-PiS propaganda? They are in charge and if you want to make an omelet you need first to break an egg. They have been elected amongst widely supported clamor for changes, to do something means to break status quo and that what they are doing - they have democratic mandate to do so, they enjoy popular support regardless of the noises that minority is producing. (by the way that minority is supported financially by the foreign players)

Do they make mistakes, faux pas, blunders? - sure they do but at least they do something that is more that can be said about PO.

Now, this issue with horses is just a propaganda item - a pure and simple no two ways about it. There is problem but PiS is responsible for that in the way they are responsible for a weather. Horses stared dying before ~PiS even won the last election.

Hey but you know all that, you just chose to use it in your propaganda war against people you see as your ideological enemies - that clear, you are not a bystander or an objective observer but you are a person that is deeply involved in the conflict.


First of they can peace off, they can hardly have legs to stand on this issue having chopped all their virgin forest for greed they have no ground to dictate to others what to do with their forest.

Having said that I think that they chopping some woods in order to save that forests from some kind of pestilence :) or whatnot. Whether or not that is a good decision or a wise decision I cannot tell as I have no idea and neither do you.


Here I agree with them. High time that Polish museums were passing Polish historical narrative and perspective. It is only fair and while you are talking a lot of things you should remember that Jewish's Museums in Warsaw that tell the story from a very narrow and biased perspective had been build (and maintained) mainly from the Polish taxpayers money have been build thanks to one of those twins you are accusing of fascism and totalitarian leanings.

You make no sense but that what an extreme ideology does to people.

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Right.....?, they killed all those horses in order to make sausages from their meat! They are Chopping down a virgin forest to use that wood to fry those sausages. They will eat them laughing fiendishly while on their midnight secret feast out in the fields dancing around a fire, feasting, carousing etc..

Additionally they burn in those fires effigies of foreigners, Jews, gays and for a good measure jon's.

Now wake up and drink a glass of cold water.

By the way you are off-topic here you should write about your dream in the thread - jon's nightmares and visions.

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You assume that I care at all what you think about me, or if you laugh, slap yourself silly or otherwise. I see that your priggish attitude and arrogance installed by your school never left you. Your are one of the stupidest people on PF although it was a close run with smurf. Why would I care about your opinion at all silly?


The crux of the matter is a failure to investigate properly that crash by the Polish state. That were criminal negligence occurred and it can be blamed solely on Tusk and his PO government.

You as usual are missing the point by the mile and just rumble on your favourite subject - your ideological sympathies and antipathies. Dry up!


Due to that party victory in the last election and due to the prevailing practices in Poland that have not started nor end with PiS.

Could you answer my question now? What have you done to these poor horses. What such a lovely animal ever done to you? Poor horsy.

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What did you do to her horses? Harry you are a monster.

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I have no idea what he said. I don't think that overtly matters.


Glad you told me and we have cleared that misunderstanding. Because I was certain that you talking some bull. Is your critique pertain also to the people who every phrase of concern for the Polish national interest, talk about problems that need to be addressed, or about need for defence of Poland's interests and values see as a proof that they are Putin's incarnate, nationalists and whatnot? They must be being convicted that the doom is approaching?


You are obsessed. We are talking about Poland.
All the rest of that chit chat I just skipped. Has somebody hacked Paulina's account?
There were some rare BS in this claptrap.


No, they are not.


That was a compliment.


You are comparing nothing! Without proper research technique and methodology you are comparing hot air and then you are adding some hot air of your own.


What the hell? That is an internal Polish affair and sanctions on Russia were introduced for the annexation of Crimea if I recall correctly.


What? Such constitutional struggles are nothing unusual, usually there is some consensus between all forces not to make a drama out of it with many participants in the interest if the state.


Jesus wept.


What? Nah, I pass, you write all you want, just don't mention my moniker.

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Whoosh! What a bunch of gossiping washerwomen I spy with my eye on this beautiful afternoon? My aren't you a little busy bodies - hey I got an idea for you start your own Louella Parson's gossip column? Call it JMHD's hot news page and there you go.

:)

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So what are you talking about then? You are mocking people who claim that it matters who owns what, asking questions, learning about facts or talk turkey?


Well, they are protesting against PiS winning democratic election hence immediately after that fact KODs sprigged out. Banners with slogans change in time from protesting against government not displaying the EU flags on one occasion to all issues that pertains to Tribunal, in meantime all acts and bills that government introduced to defence of Lech Walesa even though government has nothing to do with the new documents that came to light.

To sum it all any and each pretext is good to attack the government for the one reason only - them being PiS.
So, will you came clean and admit that or you are going to lie about your reasons for your stance? Remember that I have your posts above and I can expose any lies in no time at all.


See that probably because I have never pictured you as being stupid. Head strong - yes, stubborn - sure, leftie - often, stupid - nah such a thought has never crossed my mind until now.


Not exactly the same surely. For one they must been expressed in different languages. Seriously though don't you kids learn nothing nowadays? How about contexts, additional circumstances and reality on the ground.

You mean to say that you take words and compare them with words. Are you for real? Are you sure that logic and logo are not the same in your mind?

Do I really need to humiliate you further by proving to you that what you say here is just a pure nonsense? Do you want me to?


Yes millions of people in different cultures and countries with different values and languages, of different gender, age, education, experiences and abilities are all the same mentality. Why? Cause you say so. Aren't you striving to be modest you genius you?

What was your population sample and what methods did you employ while conducting your research?


So what? What wrong with that? Do you think that judge should be above the law?


Is that suppose to be some kind of an argument? If so you have failed. How the fact that weakness and conflicts inside of the same country might and are being exploit for the benefit of other parties pertain to your remark?

Are you saying that is not true?


Until you learn the difference between logic and a logo you wont be able to do that.


Don't be dumber than you have to be. If you don't see difference I won't help you.


Opposition has a certain rights and duties if they fail to fulfil those they are not longer acting as an opposition by as so called opposition for the lack of a better expression.


Sure, a big benevolent state that is like a big brother or a sister to you and were only saints and angels are working and worrying night and day in what way to help poor Poland. Sure plenty of laws that says it is not their business.

You have no clue do you? gees.

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They are bringing a climate of change into a stale, inefficient and corrupted state.


Bah, that emotions were talking and I stressed that. Anyhow many from those people deserve to be shot after due process. No, not because their are protesting, but because what they done in the past(not all protesters) . That justice


You can be influenced or misinformed like anyone including me. Russia and Poland have different cultures, so different that I say they belong to different civilisations and what happens in Russia doesn't necessary needs to happen in Poland - that simple enough.


Only in your mind.


Drama and some more of a drama. Stop looking at Russia look at Poland and learn about facts.


I'm not aware of the instances that PiS was slandering Polish government. If they attempted to talk about Smolensk (I'm guessing) then because it was obviously a major failure of the Polish government and all the world could see it.

That failure to investigate properly Smolensk lowered position of Poland significantly.


I know but you belong to majority of Poles who don't understand politicks and who don't understand of so called west. Also you are often misinformed.

In fact most Poles feels more than think. Those who think do so in such weird categories when in comes to politicks that it renders their thinking void.


Go ahead. :_) I'm looking forward to it but use some real arguments. Compering Poland to Russia really doesn't cut it.


If you are right I say so if you are wrong I have no calms to say it. Simple.


What is to like? If he really said what is implied then I disagree with him. I think that society in Poland should be rebuild around Dmowski's idea and I'm all for a grass root movement rather that around parties or a leader..

However his words were misinterpreted and misrepresented so often that I wouldn't take a word of any journalist for it.

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Time you consider that concept seriously instead of making fun of it.


I think you know too much and at the same too little about Russia for that to do you any good. Comparing Poland and Russia? Russia never had any democracy and all that patients and they don't understand that concept.


I guess maybe because you are clueless? Feelings and similarly sounding expressions doesn't automatically translate into sameness of the issues. Comprende?


Just you wait, they will help you to become yokels of the German empire.


I see calling for the foreign intervention into Poland's internal affairs you are just one of those people who doesn't deserve to be called a citizen. I'm deeply disappointed - expected better from you.

Enough I can't stomach more of your mindless drivel. You are talking utter tripe woman. Wake up and smell the coffee beans

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I say that absolutely doesn't describe me unless you are like one of those fanatics on the Polish political forums with their ass deep in their own backside to whom sombody who doesn't hate PiS and Kaczynski is automatically labelled as a PiS- supporter and an enemy.


Bah! Aren't we being dramatic a tad too much or just repeating BS from biased papers seeded there to stir emotions of the people?


Well, there are a lot of significant differences that seem to be escaping your attention. Anyhow you are comparing apples and oranges here.
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The fact is that if significant par of the establishment in Poland, including political parties are slandering Polish government in the eyes of the foreign powers in this way their are endangering stability and Polish national interests.

That is clear to all people who know what what.


That would make a good carpenter but political savvy she isn't.


A lot of mush mash here.
There are some behind the curtain struggles and that is a fact. Including other undeniable fact that 80% of the press in Poland is in Axel springer hands - a one of the four huge German corporation which are working hand in hand. What says you?


Let them protest and march as much as they want. Fact is there no coherent idea behind it all save for a denial that PiS has won a democratic election and that is what probably is annoying people.


Sorry that is a very biased or a very ill informed sentence.


Where have you noticed here? Different opinions are seen as high mark of free and democratic society and freedom of speech is another - should people have no right to freely speak their mind about KOD opinions and such?

It seem to be you cannot get your head around that concept and just because you side with the so called opposition and hence you take all critical voices as a sign of an oppression by the autocratic government. That is a pure BS. Has sombody been arrested or has been one of many KOD's march attacked?

Had the leaders being locked up their freedom of expression or their lives in danger? No and no and there is some more NO!
So what are you talking about? About your feelings? Are you offended that some people who have absolutely no afflation not only to the government but to any political party? Just because they express their unfavourable views on KOD?

Grow up and apply in practise what you preach i.e. democracy and tolerance will you?
I think that so called opposition is just a retarded constipating blast that need to go for Poland to progress and succeed. I'm entitled to my opinion and if you equate my opinion with actions, words and deeds of the Putin regime is simply nothing more but a childish hysteria.


Really? Care to provide a quote or at least tell us what is this 'something' that I allegedly have said rather than spread wild rumors and gossip like washerwomen?

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let's be realistic here 8 000 - maybe.


Why don't they suck on it - twiglets.


That would be a lie. the VC found no merit in all the circumstances including TK and PO steps but it is not up for them to solve it, so in fact it is completely immaterial what they do or don't.

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Wrong. Such a classic feminist slogan that makes even less sense than feminism itself. I really expected better from you than repeating such a cliché that might appeal to some brainless fools.

If men could get pregnant they would become females of the species with all that such a position brings to the table.

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That is not difficult - all so called liberal western nation learned by hearth the right answer and the fact they actually are as racist, xenophobic and prejudiced as any given nation is but a detail.

Here an expected winning answer - a Black Muslim Roma (nice trap here Gypsy ha!) to top it all - a gay.
Thank you, thank you .....

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A very good point Atch. I think that such a chance should be decided in referendum in ten years time.


Yes, typical fallacy not an argument.


You are a sick in the head person whose every post contain a lie.BS.


Bollocks. Sex education in schools had been there for decades.


No you are playing on stereotypes and I'm sure you would be first to pretest if stereotypes you dislike were used against what you argue for. If you are talking about PF then I must add that PF doesn't reflect a real life realities or Am I stating the obvious?


No, is anything but ... as you frequently miss the point being a girl that is a one brick short of the full load you have no chance in hell to grasp what it is all about.


A what? Mr No-sparks contracting again. What exactly are those women's rights?

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So, if you cannot afford a nice car they will try robbery or whatnot? Yes, they do have a problem.


Pretty much like having a cat. Although if you have a person in your life that affect your life and you don't like it you wouldn't just casually kill that person dead, or would you?


In this time and place if someone is not educated about something then it is his/her own damn fault.


Well, the answer to that would be of course - don't take chances if you are not prepared to face the consequences. Who wants a nanny sate and a big brother watching over your shoulder? Not somebody I would respect.


They live and die by the choices they have made. How many criminal die due to their criminal activity? - should those activities be decriminalized to save lives of few goons?

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I take it back. It is so called citizen initiative - meaning it was no less that 100 000 people that asked parliament to vote over this law.

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It is for me. I'm not talking about legislation because it is relatively simple matter to resolve. It is up for Sejm to sort it out.


Well, they what democracy supposed to be about - majority impose their views on others. The crux of the matter is how far legislation can go to impose and regulate moral/ethical rules on all and what should be left to individuals which would allowed them to make their own choices.

I think that the current regulation is well balanced in this regard. There are other ways that need and could be addressed to minimalize percentage of women undergoing abortions - informative action is a one of many avenues a wise government could explore.

I think that both bishops and especially PiS top echelons haven't exercised here what I call a good old prudence and wisdom while dealing with complex issues.

Anyway we'll see what gonna happen.


That is not an argument at all. It is as if you argue that prohibition is a bad thing because more people will be dirking alcohol from shady sources and more of them will die as a result. They make their own choices and know or should know risks involved. If they rather drink ...well.

Or people speeding and dying regardless of speed limit - are speed limits to blame?

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I'm saying that science doesn't provide 100% correct and accurate answer for everything. If you know anything about science you know that. In this case there is a certain margin for an error and such a gap is enough to dictate caution to these who believe that human life is sacred.

In fact what is contested here are not scientific facts but the different sets of believes.


Nonsense, if anything the religious point of view in this case give an apple opportunity to women to full realize they nature and their potential. Rather then succumb to the utilitarian hedonistic prejudice.

Who is anti-women then? Those who are pushing women to belie they nature, who want to curb and trim their nature to fit their narrow ideological perspective . Who aim to transduce moral sentiments of women into base and retrogressive forms that retard their proper development?

You are pointing your finger in the wrong direction.


Oh don't come up with this propaganda leaflets that have been long ago exposed for what they are.


That is the purpose of the Church, sorry you missed that by a mile. To be a signpost for others. Doesn't need to be spotless to preform its function.


Should have keep your .... in check. Boys and girls should learn there are consequences. This is not an argument.


Blah blah, typical excuses of those who wants to have a cake and eat it at the same time - boohoo!


Reality on the ground.

As for the rest of you fear mongering crowd that post those pathetic posts above predicting PiS's doom and making much of nothing.
I don't think that that new legislation will become law. In fact I'm pretty certain naught will came of it. Same as with PO attempted to change the current law other way to suit their paymasters in Germany, they failed. PiS will fail as well.


That the lamest of them all. Come on make an effort and think up or steal some proper argument. Maybe you should be aborted in the late stage of your embryonic life as you are now to comprehend what you are talking about?:D

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Aren't you a stickler for prudence in spending of the public funds. I would believe you if not for the fact that you belatedly ignored all encroachments and misuse of public money by the previous government.

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Science has nothing to do with it. You should know that.

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Better save than sorry, right? After all the pro-abortionists due to ideological influence believe that they can determine in what exactly moment a 'cluster of cells' transform overnight into a proper human being.

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Immaterial.


Nah, the argument is a sanctity of human life. Now, there are some exceptions/instances where that principle can be overruled but only some. However the principle on which the law regulates those issues should be based on the principle of the sanctity of human life.

Also each person is not a lone island, they are part of the society and principles and rules of the society often trumps/limit personal preferences of individuals.

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You are bringing forth a lot of immaterial stuff. So what? The same goes for your imaginary priest or PiS this or other.


Hey, read my stuff I don't support that new law but the current one.


Well, that is on parents and on their conscience - free will.

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Ever heard about archeology?

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Why bother, brining your views to it logical conclusion it would even better if a few well placed devises should have wiped out all the humanity putting an end to its suffering.

Interesting to see that you support and condone criminal activities.

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Oh, for the 9th century we have a pretty good idea.

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She doesn't have to keep her child, she can give it up for adoption. It is only too easy nowadays.


Should be arrested for smuggling. Both parties.

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Your map, those Vistulans were extended much more to the east that can be read on the map.

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Perhaps, perhaps not, although I wouldn't use MATERNAL to describe such a cases.


That is an excuse that is used so often to disrobe criminals from responsibility for their deeds.


Magical thinking? I presume that there were some other issues at play and argumentation put forth had been but a screen.


Still, deaths are occurring due to abortions or maternity. I don't see it as a huge improvement, after all more oft than not those unwanted pregnancies have been a question of choice. You make your choices you live and die by them.

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A nice day for a Sunday stroll.