News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]


The law-givers have full right to administer death penalty. It says in the Bible about the authorities in power: "if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer" (Romans 13:4). St. Paul affirms the legitimate authority of state/civil rulers to execute justice, even by capital punishment, and in traditional Catholicism the death penalty has historically been considered morally permissible in principle.

Of course, after the lamentable Vaticanum Secundum (which, luckily, was a pastoral not a dogmatic council, so I am not obligated to believe any of its commie/mason nonsense) the Church made a mistake of allowing itself to be infuenced by masons, protestants, leftards and other retards, and shifted its position to anti death penalty. Thank God, most conservatists (aka sane people) in Poland support death penalty and rightly so. We hope and pray that our Mother Church will one day abandon its modernist ways and go back to conservatist, traditional teaching on capital punishment.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]


Hey, if Paulina can argue from some "Rabbinical Assembly Committee", then I can argue from the Bible. :)

You're right - religion is not necessary in this argument. Common, ordinary human decency should be enough.

But Ron has a very good point there - every morality and every moral law must have its source in God (or at least in something outside itself) or it is ultimately worthless.

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I know - the Bible speaks about such people: "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."" (Ps 53).


It also doesn't prohibit using 155mm artillery ammunition to shell civilian buildings nor the use of atomic weapons. It does, however, prohibit murder.


... and - although it may shock you - it isn't the only thing that rabbinic Judaism gets wrong. :)

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Anyways, I can see that arguing with people who think that crime of the father justifies murdering the baby, or that the mother's psychological well-being or feelings (or questions that she may be asked!) also justify the murder of the child, makes no sense at all. They are so brainwashed by the hedonistic civilisation of death that logic, common sense and ordinary human decency is totally wasted on them.

The only consolation is that most of them don't have children, so sooner or later they will all collect their well deserved Darwin Awards by dying childless and not passing on their anti-values to the next generation. How wise is our God! :)

News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]


Oh... it MIGHT ... IF...

Yes, this 'might' and 'if' convinced me - the child should be murdered.


Oh, yes... FEELINGS... QUESTIONS...

Yes, these 'feelings' and 'questions' convinced me - the child should be murdered.

Do you even think before you write or do you just type whatever words happen to form in your brain at a given moment? FFS...


Yes, those couples are willing to adopt even children conceived (not made, you half-wit) in a rape, and it's not a disability.

You people are not normal. Something is wrong with your hearts and souls... something very wrong.


Exactly.

It's definitely not easy to recover from the trauma of being raped but it takes a special kind of idiocy to try and "solve" the problem by adding another trauma of murdering your own child on top of it. Mind boggles.

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I believe in genetics, I just don't think that a murder of a child is justified because someone draws a conclusion that it will grow up to be a rapist or a murderer because of its father's genes (raging nonsense).


With long time in prison for the first crime and with a death sentence for another - surely you can read and I already wrote it.


What about first two years? What about first two decades? It is not for a human to decide when another human's life starts and when he/she can be murdered.


Of course they should be prosecuted. Abortion providers with full force of the law, and in case of the raped woman her pain and trauma should be considered mitigating circumstances but there should be a trial for murder nonetheless.


Aaah, so here we are. I thought I was talking to a woman named Paulina but apparently I am talking to God Almighty who can decide whether somebody is or isn't a human being.


It's not about religion. Novichok isn't especially religious, is he? And still he is of the same opinion. You are either for life or for death, victory of love or victory of hatred, sacrifice or selfishness. It's about being a human being, not a walking alimentary tract.


Oh, yes - so let's kill them. For crying out loud... :-/


There are many couples waiting for the opportunity to adopt a child (especially a newborn or a toddler). Imagine how they feel hearing of the abortion tourism and women travelling to neighbouring countries to kill their children instead of giving them for adoption.

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As a matter of fact I did. My wife is a good Christian and she is of the same opinion.


Having a child is not against a well-being of a woman. It can even bring her unspeakable joy.

Provided you don't murder it.


Then let such woman give the child for adoption. The baby will bring the couple who waited for such opportunity much happiness in life.

Provided you don't murder it.


Quite possible. That's why children need good nurture to properly utilise their natural inclinations. Such child can grow up to be a great soldier, police officer or a boxing olympic champion.

Provided you don't murder it.

You see, that's what it all boils down to: you don't murder innocent children...

- not for their fathers' crimes,
- not because they might cause someone a trauma,
- not because they are unwanted by their biological mothers

... not for any reason in fact.

You just don't murder children.

It is terrifying that one even has to say such thing.

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But the woman's life is not in danger. What are you talking about?


Yes, I would, I am not a child murderer, and I would raise it to be a good man/woman.

I might feel tempted to murder the rapist, but not the child. Who do you take me for? A bloodthirsty beast who would murder an innocent child for something that its father did?


Surely you can see that it's illogical.


Don't be such a nazi! It is mostly nurture not nature that makes a human being. I know great and honest people whose fathers were criminals. Stop this Waffen-SS "faulty genes" talk, Paulina.


That's a very sexist thing to say. Tsk-tsk...

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Erm... let me get this straight: person A is a victim of person B, therefore it is a legitimate reason to kill person C? Is that what you're saying?

News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]


Or keep it. It is, after all, also her baby - unwanted, yes, but her baby nonetheless.


That would be my stance if it happened to my daughter. We are not murderers - neither my daughter nor me.


Erm... it is a legitimate reason to murder a baby because its father is a rapist? WTF? What about fathers who kill people in car accidents or fathers who don't fill their tax declarations - should their children be held responsible for their crimes too? Or is rape the only crime of a father for which the child should pay (with its life!). The mental retardation that the abandoning of Christian faith and the civilisation of death causes is terrifying.

EDIT:

Of course, rapists should be punished very severely. Long term prison sentences for the first crime, and then the death penalty but for the rapist not for the child!

Off-Topic / 75 Years of Israel and the War - part 3 [608]

The only Catholic Church in Gaza...



... my sympathies are now 50-50 in this conflict.

And the IDF says it was by mistake... it was hit by tank fire - how the f*ck do you hit a building with a huge cross in front of it and a cross on the roof by mistake. Are IDF tank crews blind? Mistake my arse...

50-50 - I'm not taking sides any longer in inner-semite conflicts. Let Arab semites and Jewish semites settle their inter-semitic conflicts themselves.

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We have such law in Poland... and one of the lowest birthrates in Europe.

I have a better idea: decrease obligatory employer's ZUS/health service contribution by 30% for the first child of an employee, 60% for the second, and 100% for the third. It would mean that people with children will be much more attractive on the job market and will have more stable jobs.

Introduce generous child benefits and tax reliefs for parents. Stop persuading childless parasites to have children - they should be allowed to discontinue their retarded genes - just tax them more and work on those who already have children, so they decide to have more of them.

Another benefit of such system would be that it might force the childless to take their stench of death with them and emigrate. This way the society would consist almost exclusively of people who have children (the more the better).

Also, in popular culture, mass media, and higher culture pro-natalist attitudes have to be promoted and presented in best possible light.

If we apply all this, then Satan - with his hedonistic, retarded culture of death - will run away with his tail between his legs. So help us God.

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Yesss! Thank you :)

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@Bobko

... all just a political-fiction anyway. First, all those countries (maybe with exception of -stans) would have to figure out how to stop the demographic collapse.

Oh, BTW - when will the next chapter of "Państwo" be released? Readers are waiting eagerly for the continuation!

Off-Topic / AfD Party is growing ever more powerful throughout country [187]


... and dying out at record speed; went down from over 9 million to 6.2 million in 30 years.

But brave and their girls are nice. Let's take them.


Poor man's France, but economically quite successful in recent years. Let's take them.


Good point. Let's take them.

Who else... Finns (brave and ingenious), Yugos (or Crow will hate us), Greeks perhaps?

Plus North Koreans, Mongolians, all the Something-stans, Armenia, Azerbadijan, Georgia. Hmm... it indeed sounds like Warsaw Pact on steroids. :)

... and if we managed to include Turkey, we would really start looking seriously scary!

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... and Ukrainian cruelty. We would be scary. China would have to stock up on diapers.

For practical reasons we would have to include Czechs and Slovaks too, so add Slovak treachery and Czech sense of humour to that list.

Off-Topic / AfD Party is growing ever more powerful throughout country [187]


*a sigh of relief*


Yes...

Nie grają im surmy, nie huczy im róg
A śmierć im pod stopy się miota
Lecz w pierwszym szeregu podąża na bój
Piechota, ta szara piechota.

... fair play to infantrymen.

Off-Topic / AfD Party is growing ever more powerful throughout country [187]


What about estimated anti-aircraft defense losses on both sides?

I'm asking for a friend.

Off-Topic / AfD Party is growing ever more powerful throughout country [187]


You're right, it was a thought-shortcut.

Thanks for all the info - it's difficult to find reliable data in all the omnipresent propaganda.

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No, we're not. We have record-low unemployment despite all the Ukrainians here.


The most battle-hardened soldiers are already dead after 3 years of the war of attrition. Every month they are replaced by new conscripts of ever declining quality.


Russia doesn't care how they view her. Without NATO protection Germany would be vulnerable. AfD wouldn't risk that.

Off-Topic / AfD Party is growing ever more powerful throughout country [187]

How would that be in Poland's interest... let's see...


Poland is in the state of demographic collapse; millions of white, Slavic Christians would be a blessing.


Poland's border with Ukraine is shorter than our border with Slovakia, so it wouldn't extend the border that much. Besides, neo-banderist Ukraine where Waffen-SS units and UPA genocide perpetrators are still celebrated as heroes is not necessarily a friendly country. The collapse of Ukraine, or more likely the creation of a smaller and weaker Ukraine, would not necessarily be bad for Poland.


As far as I know there have been some voices of criticism of NATO from AfD politicians but, as a national party, it has not adopted a formal policy of leaving NATO and I don't think they ever will (Russia is too unpredictable, as we have seen, for them to risk such move).

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It's easier for Russians - you are not seen as a threat to them. If Poland had the largest territory and the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, it would also be easier to be friendly with Germany for us.

As it is, your economic and political advantage are still seen as a threat. Not to mention that you commemorated everyone and their grandmother who suffered from the German hands in WW2, but Polish victims of the war still haven't been properly commemorated by Germany, 80 years after the war ended.

Also, German society is mostly modern and liberal whilst Poles are conservatives and more religious. Not many common platforms of understanding there.

Off-Topic / AfD Party is growing ever more powerful throughout country [187]


... and it would to have to be a lot of conditions: the Central Transportation Hub, navigation on the Oder River, the expansion of the port in Świnoujście, even the exploitation of newly discovered oil deposits in the Baltic Sea - are all developments that certain circles in Germany do not approve of and even complain about. Add to this all the mental ecotardation of the EU: no combustion cars since 2035, the CO2 emissions trading system (ETS) that is stifling our economy, Fit for 55, the Green Deal, the Mercosur deal that can destroy our farming, the metan directives for mines, EU Taxonomy Regulation - limiting cheap gas, nuclear and coal energy... I could go on.

Sometimes it seems that any sort of common sense agreement with Berlin-Brussels is impossible.


German medial tune towards Poland is not all rosy either. Maybe AfD could change that... provided they don't get too cosy with Russia.

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Yes, there is always this threat. That's why Poland can never become properly European (whatever that means in current conditions) because we are doomed to alliance with the USA. We are not Washington's Trojan Donkey - this is simply our survival strategy.

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It sounds like he does. I have the article in pdf format and can send it to you.

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Yes, indeed!


For the mental leftardation of the current "elites".

Off-Topic / AfD Party is growing ever more powerful throughout country [187]

A very interesting article by Jarosław Lindenberg in the latest issue of "Do Rzeczy"...

dorzeczy.pl/kraj/758058/niemcy-nie-takie-straszne-mateusz-morawiecki-sie-myli.html

... the author argues that AfD's program is largely aligned with Poland's strategic interests, and that if AfD were to form a government in Germany in the future, we would gain a very strong ally in the fight against threats to our national sovereignty (namely, transforming the EU into a European superstate and uncontrolled mass migration). Lindenberg also writes that AfD has the highest proportion of Polish-speaking politicians among German parties and that during the PiS government it was the only German party in the European Parliament that systematically and publicly defended Poland against accusations of violating the rule of law. After Tusk became the PM, representatives of Alternative for Germany (the most well-known being Tomasz Froelich, a politician of Polish descent) repeatedly spoke out on Polish issues and accused the European Commission of applying double standards depending on who is in power in Poland.

If Poland moves right in the 2027 elections (I'd say there's about 95% chance of that happening), and AfD enters government in Germany, then it might mean the opening of a new and very interesting chapter in Polish-German relations.

Off-Topic / 75 Years of Israel and the War - part 3 [608]


France has one of the largest Muslim populations in Western Europe, small Belgium has over 1 million Muslims, visible especially in cities like Brussels where Muslims may represent over 20% of the population. In Spain there's about 2 million muslim migrants - a small but very vocal minority. Riddle solved.

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Yes, it does...

nazwiska.ijppan.pl/haslo/show/id/4055

... 'ą' and 'ż' became 'a' and 'z' abroad. Typical.

Genealogy / Origins of Polish Genetics [17]


Tell me about it.

That's exactly what a certain lovely Khrystyna was explaining to me passionately: that they never invaded anyone, never hurt anyone, were only fighting invaders in their lands, and only defending what was always theirs. And you know what... she had a brother on the frontline, was in a foreign country, and had some Polish girls being not exactly nice to her at work (envy!)... and I - the stalwart Kania, the Polish-to-the-core Torq, the anti-banderist legend of Gdańsk and beyond... I had no heart to argue with her and prove her wrong.

I am such a wimp in the real life. :(

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]


Hmm... debatable.

The Arabic language somehow magically clings to your memory once you memorize something in it. I still remember some prayers (for various occasions) that Ahmed taught me about 20 years ago, and I suppose praying 5 times a day, at set times, with all those regular movements and rhytmic incantations, can properly affect your brain as well. Not to mention that Muslims have some top class and highly intelligent preachers (Khalid Yasin, Ali Hammuda, Mufti Menk, Hamza Yusuf, Hakim Murad - to name just a few).

I don't especially like Islam and Muslim immigrants in Europe (self preservation instinct, I guess) but one has to admit that they do what God ordered us to do - be fruitful and multiply. So, maybe they are right and we are wrong... may Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) have mercy on me if that's the case.


Safety vent :)