Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


What is false? Your logic is a 'false' logic or is it your reading comprehension?


So organized criminals can get it no problem, but some petty once have it harder.
In fact I'm right and your are wrong.
I'm talking about PREVENTING criminals from getting hold of guns. YOU talking about MAKING HARDER for them to get hold of a gun.
NOT ONE AND THE SAME DUDE!
So, you would infringe people's freedoms, rights of the law abiding citizens in order to make a life of criminals tad harder.
What kind of beehive collective thinking is that? A centralized state worship - you would rather trust some politicians and a state they your fellow citizens.

Funny thought that lefties not unlike you are all for abrasion and killing unborn children in the name of freedom for women to do with their bodies what they will.

Hell, you at the same time deny people to do with their money want they want - for exmaple if they want to buy a gun it shouldn't be a problem for you if you're after FREEDOM.

Which clearly you aren't!
Your standard argument for abolition of all the legal barriers for an abortion is - women will do it illegally anyway. WHY don't you apply the same 'logic' to the gun ownership? ( a rhetorical question)

Because you are not for freedoms and rights of individuals you are for an omnipotent state that would encompass all where you would like to see the tenants of your ideology forced on people - for their own good of curse lol.

So in fact people like you're all for a totalitarian state or are so silly they don't even realize it or are so into believe in some ideology that blindly follow its dogmas.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


Really? I mean are you for real? It is impossible to prevent the bad guys from getting hold of guns in any country regardless of the gun law period.

If that is the truth, (it is)why would punish ME and curtail my rights and freedom for somewhat mythical crime statistics. To my mind it is a magic thinking that does strike me as irrational fear of guns.

The same magic thinking that presents itself in a project or a bill (to be passed/ or already passed) to outlaw knifes in Britain. There is a law that forbids people to carry a knife, which obviously made no impression on criminals or gangs, it only puts a law abiding citizens on a disadvantage. Banning knifes it just a pathetically ridiculous idea but I bet you are all for it. As I said a magical thinking.

The US is actually a pretty safe country to live. That violence is pretty much centered around a few cities and da hood where gangbangers shoot at each other and anything that moves. Avoid those and you're safer than in any given first world country.

As for school or a mall shooting those issues had been addressed many times. Banning guns wouldn't put a stop to it.


No really. Anyhow what does it matter what has been used to kill, a gun or a knife or a club. Dead is dead.
You're wrong in thinking that gun deaths are preventable, you might reduce percentage of those but at what cost? In the North Korea gun crime and mass shooting are none existent if you exclude deaths from the regime's guns wielded by the 'official'/'state thugs. Would you be rather living in the North Korea or the USA?


I didn't or wouldn't gun innocent people down, so why you put this at my doorstep? I refuse to be held accountable for the deeds of some insane or criminal people. I have done nothing wrong.

You should be ashamed for an attempt to put me with them in the same category just because of a tool even if it is a gun. People are not a collective but individuals and should be treated as such.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Anything that undermines power of the tyrannical neo-Marxist Brussel desk jockeys and their German masters is good for Poland.
Germany are talking all the EU into economical war with the USA. At the same time Germany is amendment about building a lifeline support for the Putin's regime. (north stream 2).

So talking about pro-Russian parties in Italy and elsewhere is a tad hypocritical for a German.


The EU and haggling for money are synonymous. It ill never change while some unelected bureaucrats with a Merkel's finger in their posteriors are in power.

Juncker unveiled a statue of Karl Marx in Tier. I think that in the name of tolerance and diversity he should unveil a statue of Alfred Ernst Rosenberg. Also as gesture of a good will towards America a statue of John Caldwell Calhoun. Why the hell not!

Unless commies took over in Brussels. lol!

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


Hmm, Yes?? I don't argue with facts.


I don't see colerration between gun laws and crime rates. Maybe because such a colerration doesn't exist? ( a rhetorical question)


Hmm, cannot speak for most people and I think you cannot do that either. As for your attitude towards guns, arming yourself and all of it. That is OK, that is your right, that is your choice and I have no problem with it. Good on you.

Why is that you don't reprociate my healthy attitude towards YOUR choices and your rights?
IF I would like to have a gun in Poland(or anywhere) you would be against it. That a lot like a totalitarian attitude. WHERE is my freedom of choice? Where are my rights?

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


Those are only statics. I'm sure a victim of a crime doesn't derive a comfort from that fact.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


oh but they do, they just don't want their neighbor to have a gun, so not having a gun is the price they're willing to pay for keeping their neighbor unarmed. Talking about those who agree with you. Plenty of those who disagree with you.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Talking about the Jews? Are you saying that the Jews brought it on themselves? Being as you put it - discriminated against throughout the history?


Dude, that is not such a big issue. Its only significant because that case illustrate well that Pol-Ams are crap at pulling the string of power and lobbing.


WTF? Pogroms were actions orchestrated by the Czarist regime in Russia. All those 'pogroms' came to Poland with the Red Army bayonets and boots on the ground. In short as soon as Soviet Russia took over Poland. Coincidence?

The only reason some crooked Jews are going after Poland is greed and the fact that Poland is a reactively weak and has a crappy government. Hell, they even went after Swiss. 447 is scam backed by the American Congress - congrats they reached the new low.


Yeah, you're the worst kind. You're not even Jewish but still an a-hole.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

Aren't you confusing a moral agent with a moral subject?

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Donald is fully into it. He also signed bill 447.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


You missed the point entirely. It is immaterial if a fetus is a moral agent of not. That is not an issue at all. The point is to put it simply that fetus is a human being, only on a different stage of its natural development. As to die, until the modern era about 40 to 60% children would die anyway. The fact that you even bring it in into debate and believe that fact or a rate of mortality is some kind of an argument means that it is you who have a problem logical inference.

Conception is a very good benchmark for two reasons:
1.Full DNA is already there.
2. Its alive lol (you know what I mean, if not disregard lol)

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


Many crimes and murders that involved fire arms regardless of the fact that guns by the large are banned in the uk. Due to increase in so called 'knife crime' authorities in England wants to ban knifes. lol! The next step for them would to ban fists.

A much simple solution a law abiding citizens should be able to arm themselves. A Simple, nit and elegant solution, evidently not for control freaks if they had they way they would keep a finger in ever '''hole they could. How they can claim to be liberals and be for freedom...that is a hollow slogan in most cases..

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


You what? bahahahahah! Mr EX-perd, liberate Danzing? LOL! incorporated it into the III Reich more like, Danzig was a separate political entity, not a part of the Polish state.

As to the rest of the ignorant drivel you spewed here - couldn't even be bother to address it, did you acquire all that 'knowledge' on the internet from posts someone made, certainly looks like it. Unless you had a 'history' teacher not unlike Lyzko here.

God bless!


IF he keeps make decision like supporting all Zionist's agendas and interests to the hilt than his presidency won't go down well in the history, not well for the USA.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


F them! Who cares? They seemingly have no problem with throwing insult and slander on the Polish nation. As if suffering and dead of so many millions people meant nothing. I suppose it means nothing to them. So F them and their Holocaust. ---See how them like those peaches..


You sad person you , people like you who exist only to connive and bait people on a social media obscure forums should be burned on a stake.


Thanks but No. Not again.

News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

If anything happens to him it could well mean that PiS will lose the next election.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

Its pointless. You see the Jews are 'special'.
The only way to deal with this kind of moronic, illogical tribal aggression is to show them a 'special' hand gesture and extend a middle finger as sign of peace and quiet.

Unfortunately some useless Congress dudes are talking that crap seriously alongside some serious grants for their campaign costs no doubt.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


There is no fascist parties in Poland, you confusing Poland with Israel.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


How many people die before their reach their maturity. How many people lever to an old age.
According to your logic we should have a right to kill all people with impunity. maf a giant of intellect.

Off-Topic / Which western European country would assimilate more Poles and other Slavs in next 50 years? [12]


yeah yeah you know it all doesn't you?

Off-Topic / Which western European country would assimilate more Poles and other Slavs in next 50 years? [12]

the Borg!
dude EU's policy is not anti-Slavic is anti European civilization. Russia is not even a civilization. So stop be so damn stupid. There great issues at stake than your imaginary Slavic world.

Language / Etymology of the word "brat" - in Poland and other Slavic countries [21]

Stop trolling.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


He lost his job. Vive la freedom of speech.


Dude, the only one here who is deluded is you. Face it, your stance on the issue is inconsistent and not logical. Whereas mine is not only consistent but logical through and through. I can argue my point without resorting to religious arguments. Although cornerstone of my view on humans is based on a fundamental assumption - the existence of the Divine.


There is not call for that. It might even be argued that you're the one that represent narrow minded majority who confuse enlightenment and clarity of thought with an anti-religious prejudice /bigotry.

I would see a law that would extend protection if a human being from conception. As for all those detailed medical issues those would have to be dealt with on a case to case basis.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


Well, if that is so,why do you even start with me? Maybe because in your heart of hearts you know you're wrong? Rather than admit it to yourself you look for fault with me.

Otherwise I cannot find any explanation as to why would you want to talk to me at all if you take seriously what you wrote above.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

Do you disagree with me on the issue of unborn children? Stop beating around the bush and say it loud and clear, rather than look for some way to make it all about me.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


What it has to do with anything? Are you some kind of sadist who get rise from those sorts of things?
You tell me do you believe killing unborn children is cool?

History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]


It sound like some shytty story one educated Ruskie tell to his Ruskie buddy to justify all the crap Russia has done to Poles for no reason.

History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]


Don't be absurd. I gather you talk about Russia.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm stating the obvious. You made no argument. Those hypothetical babies done nothing wrong, those are separate issues. A rape is wrong and rapist should be punished severely but killing babies is bad, really bad. You have been talking about feelings and made some rude digs at me. I don't care much about digs but I won't tolerate rudeness in a thread where grownups debate. You'll bring it down into a kindergarten and chaos, in all into a general level of the PF.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


Came back when you'll have an argument not rudeness and hysterical reactions.


Well, depend what social-economic model of a state we're talking about. If we take Poland as an example (as it is no), then of course it should be responsibility of the state.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


nah, it sound as exactly what I have said it sounds, vie for support of the chunk of the Polish society that wants it.


Yes, listen to the press, lol. Even if that was a case, so what? I mean politicians are listing to those to whom they want to listen to. Out of sudden if they want to listen to a RCC bishops or some such it is a scandal that supposed to compromise their integrity somehow. Since when RRC clergy are on par with gangsters and criminals?

^^So my narrative about a ' patriarchal conservative gov', as you put it, is not exactly without basis.^^
Well, they are not neo-Marxist PC SJW. 40 years ago you could call them centrists if not left. Using those labels is just meaningless.

""They will not have freedom of choice if the law is tightened."""
Abortion used as a means of anticonception is abhorrent to everything that is human and decent. Whereas 99% of those 95% serve as an eugenic law,killing children with down syndrome.


Well, it sounds that way because your argument revolves around women and THEIR "rights", so I'm only sticking to the topic as your arguments define it.

Well, it is rather obvious that in this context it is a woman that bears full and long term consequences. Hence should use her better judgment BEFORE conception not after it. Anyhow, how we can trust her if she got impregnated by some worthless punk who did a runner?

It is obvious that such a woman has not sense whatsoever.

"Because that's what it amounts to. It's easy to talk the talk."
It immaterial because you only talk about a highly theoretical possibility that is not on the table. We are talking about reality where millions of unborn children are being killed daily. How many of those would fit your description a once in 100 million in 1000?

Reality on the ground is such that people are using abrasion as a means of anticonception or eugenic or as it take place in China to kill unborn girls.

Also there is at play pharmaceutical lobby that uses baby body parts in their production.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


Well, according to statics it is mainly about children with down syndrome and oft doctors only suspect those children might have it. That opening in the law is used mainly for eugenics. Hence that issue had been raised.


No it shouldn't.