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Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

If Germans "WANT" to feel full pride they do so.
Either you want or you don't...(maybe it's different with the Poles I dunno).
All nations have some parts they are not especially proud of, does this stop the people to feel pride in their heritage? Never!

And you can watch national pride at best at international games in our times without european wars....

I think it's rather wishful thinking of some Poles about a downtrodden German me thinks, so not sorry to disappoint you!

Yes, some of Poles don't feel proud enough from the fact that they were born in our beautiful country. Yes, you can say that some of them are deluded.
And I am absolutely serious right now.

Why do you think that is?
And shouldn't you rather be concerned about your own polish pride than the pride of the Germans? :)
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Same goes to Britons, Dutch, Swiss (and I'm talking about my experience from talking with the people so don't post me some articles like: "how we Europeans are in love with Germans" ;-D) ..hmm, it seems that the whole world have a crooked image of Germany and Germans ;-]

Really!
Didn't they just want to be polite to a Pole, knowing your weak spot?

Then why tops Germany so many popularity surveys?

In any case, Germany is the best overall country "brand", receiving the highest ranking among the 50 nations measured in the 2008 NBI index.

30. Poland

nation-branding.info/2008/10/01/anholts-nation-brand-index-2008-released

Germany once again fared best in the poll, with every country viewing it positively and 61% of people rating it favourably, up from 55% last year.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7873050.stm

Shouldn't Poland top instead? :)
It seems some Poles not only have a crooked image of Germany but of themselves too....can you say "deluded"?:)
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Germanize? No, I think most of us are immune for this kind of treatment ;-]
However one man can surely post a lot of crap (and I said 'a lot' not all) that may be convincing for a young people without a proper historical education.

Well, at least I don't try to explain some pseudo-psycho crap about how the Poles surely feel and think...

But of course I admit posting links and facts and infos might disturb the comfy polish worldview "We good holy saints - Germans bad beasts"...

I'm so not sorry to be so inconvenient!
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

the bad interwar Germans were not the real Germans but nazis. Now they have to convince themseves that it's true...

Crap!

Sorry to be so direct but your pseudo-knowledge of the deep workings of the german soul
is just that, crap!
But if it helps to feel yourself as a Pole better who am I to stop you, you won't believe me, a lowly original German, anyhow.

Some Poles really have a crooked image of Germany and the Germans I must say....:)

...they can't feel the national pride anymore...

And some more german eye candy for the boys:
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Gdansk or "Danzig" is not a German city.

How would you call a city with 98 percent Germans citizens?

Poland defeated Russia in 1920 thanks to Piłsudski's "lightning offensive" the first of it's kind and a precursor of the Wehrmacht's Blitzkrieg

Of course Poland invented the Blitzkrieg....:)
But where was it 1939???

Here is a map of the area around 1000AD showing the original borders of Poland

Why not go even further back?
It wall all german territory...you came and expanded westwards. All of Poland
was once germanic! :)

Germans everywhere, no Poles at all

And that's a map from 1512
Look where Poland is...

Poland in the west

Should I post a modern map too?
It rather looks like Poland looking for "Lebensraum" in the West....now the boarder
ist near Berlin and I already hear Poles talking about "isn't Berlin a slavic stronghold anyhow?"...:)

This thread is sickening. Poland and Germany are antithetical nations. The main reason we are christian is so Germany wouldn't colonize our "heathen" pagan lands. We took baptism as a way to resist your attempts to civilize us.

Quite to the contrary...we are quite similiar...maybe uncomfortably similiar for some!

Why don't you German "friends" start your own forum instead of colonizing this one? Or is that just what you do best?

You fear one, lonely german on a polish board will all "germanize" you?
Poor sod...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

So in that case you shouldn't be upset because some other Germans are nazis (or neo-nazis). You are the individual human being, right? ;-]

???

Are you still talking about the topic in some way?
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

But still, it was again in Germany ;-]

...and?
It happened and happens everywhere...but it needs a highly industrialized, highly developed country to wreak really havoc with it.
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

I believe in facts and not in "what if.." version on the history.

One should know the facts first...not only some convenient fragments!

"Die Welle" must hurt all those who don't believe it can happen everywhere.
But nothing new here actually. Group thinking is totally natural to human
behaviour...always was and always will...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

HITLER'S PLANS FOR EASTERN EUROPE

Why don't take it out of Hitler's mouth but rather trust some generalizations
and phrases?
(It was the slavic people who expanded steadily westwards deep into once germanic
territories...somehow you never mention that)

"The relation to Poland has become unbearable. My Polish policy hitherto was in contrast to the ideas of the people.
My propositions to Poland, the Danzig corridor, were disturbed by England's intervention. Poland changed her tune towards us.

They talked to us again in the language of Versailles. There was danger of losing prestige.

We are facing the alternative to strike or to be destroyed with certainty sooner or later."

instead of

"...mustkillpolishsubhumans...lebensraum...mustkillpolishsubhumans...l ebensraum...
mustkillpolishsubhumans...lebensraum...mustkillpolishsubhumans...leben sraum...etc."

Is it somewhat preferable for Poles to believe Germans woke up the morning and go to bed the evening only brooding about the subhumans in the East and how they could piss them off?

Do you need that belief somehow?
Curiously it's jewish and commie education too...

Were is the Nazi anti-polish propaganda?
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

He had his reasons....read the link and the quotes.
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

...then he wouldn't begin II WW first. I call it loop of madness :)

Not necessary...the main problem still stands: The communist danger from stalinist Russia!
War was unavoidable sooner or later. Hitler decided to attack as he had the advantage...

This prevents making posts like this one, which only neo-Nazis believe. The rest of us understand this was staged. Historians agree on that.

Formulation and Execution of the Plan to Invade Poland

Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, Volume One
United States Government Printing Office
Washington, 1946, pp. 390-400

Would that source be good enough for you?
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

BB, I have suggestion for you. There is a great history forum dealing with WWII. It is

He...I'm a regular there! :)
But thanks...

I hope you don't take it that I'm patronizing you

Just read the links...
Nobody is denying that the Nazis had a race ideology too but it wasn't the one and only and not even the most important driving force for the war with Poland!

Avoid fringe websites and don't quote from Jewish websites about Polish history, they are both unreliable. I find your views like what I would find on Stormfront and you must admmitt that neo-Nazis are not exactly credible.

I should not use jewish websites and I'm nearly neo-nazi? You should come to a decision some time...

Sorry if some of those facts don't fit into your world view but I can tell you as a German that for most Germans the most pressing questions weren't the Jews and their destruction (Germany always only had a tiny minority of them contrary to Poland for example).

The same holds true for any "subhuman" ideas..."Mein Kampf" or not.
Read the plan for the invasion of Poland again!

If this pic staged why should they stage it if the eastern people are officially just "Subhumans"?
Or does this german SS soldier helps the wounded Russian just like that?
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Formulation and Execution of the Plan to Invade Poland

Some quotes:

"The Pole is no 'supplementary enemy'. Poland will always be on the side of our adversaries. In spite of treaties of friendship, Poland has always had the secret intention of exploiting every opportunity to do us harm.

"The Polish problem is inseparable from conflict with the West.

"Poland's internal power of resistance to Bolshevism is doubtful. Thus Poland is of doubtful value as a barrier against Russia.

"The Polish government will not resist pressure from Russia. Poland sees danger in a German victory in the West, and will attempt to rob us of the victory.

nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/hitler-and-poland.html

Subhumans and Lebensraum did not have priority in those considerations it seems...
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Oh, come on. He considered us sub-human long before than.

Actually I come to think that it's not so true...or at least not the main point as it's made out during war- and after war propaganda.

Hitler wanted to negotiate, lack of anti-polish propaganda of the same kind as the Jews had to endure etc....

One of Adolf Hitler's first major foreign policy initiatives after coming to power was to sign a nonaggression pact with Poland in January 1934. This move was not popular with many Germans who supported Hitler but resented the fact that Poland had received the former German provinces of West Prussia, Poznan, and Upper Silesia under the Treaty of Versailles after World War I. However, Hitler sought the nonaggression pact in order to neutralize the possibility of a French-Polish military alliance against Germany before Germany had a chance to rearm.

ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?ModuleId=10005070

You don't negotiate and plan alliances with "subhumans".

Fact is Poland only concentrated on France and Great Britain and did nothing to soften the differences with the german minority....
Poland surely got signs from Berlin but chose not to listen. But as I said...if Hitler had really only subhuman lebensraum in mind there wouldn't had such signals in the first place.

I think 50 years of commie history teachings with concentration on "subhuman" and "lebensraum" is partly to blame for that...but I think there was more to that!

Interesting link:
And only ONE of the reasons would be "Lebensraum" and the others could be avoided with a german-polish alliance!

johndclare.net/RoadtoWWII3_HitlerInvadesPoland.htm
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Not really he had quite a good shot at defeating Russia, he failed but thats not really Russias doing, mostly it was his own fuck ups.

Maybe, maybe not.
Even if the Wehrmacht had gotten to Moskau, this country would had need another leader but Hitler to become tame and usable for the west.

When he could have brought the anti-communist, anti-stalinist, freedom loving peoples rallying behind the Reich and later working together in an alliance it would have been a good thing for Europe...but Hitler never thought that far, he treated them all as enemies, so there was no other end realistically possible.

However, Hitler's really big mistake was no having an alliance with Britain.

Well...Hitler had surely favored it too but the Brits decided otherwise...they would had kept their empire, not gone broke and dependent and more...now look at them!

But at least we are all a happy, multi-kulti, liberal family now, aren't we!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Well...the new Poland had huge groups of minorities and the Poles treated them badly...there were the anti-Jewish laws similar to Nuremberg, there were the anti-German provocations, the Belorussian schools got forbidden etc.

An interesting side:

Allied supervised plebiscites favorable to Germany were ignored in three disputed territories

Victory in the border conflicts created a Poland in which a third of the citizenry was composed of non-Polish Germans, Lithuanians, Belorussians, Ukrainians or Yiddish speaking Jews.

The districts of Allenstein and Marienwerder vote to remain German. Results of the Allied supervised plebiscite show 460,000 electors in favor of Germany against 16,000 for Poland.

Upper Silesia votes to remain German. Results of the plebiscite show 702,000 electors in favor of remaining with Germany against 479,000 who favor annexation to Poland.

worldatwar.net/timeline/poland/18-52.html

Jews were not allowed to work in the civil service, few were public school teachers, almost no Jews were railroad workers and no Jews worked in state-controlled banks or state-run monopolies (i.e. the tobacco industry). Legislation was enacted forcing citizens to rest on Sunday, ruining Jewish commerce that was closed on Saturday.
Their economic downfall was accompanied by a rise of anti-Semitism. In the late 1930's a new wave of pogroms befell the community and anti-Jewish boycotts were enacted.

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Poland.html#After%20World%20 War%20I

So the whole situation between Poles and Jews, Poles and Ukrainians and Poles and Germans was quite tense and chaotic I would say.
Poland even denying to negotiate over a railway to the German enclaves (enclaves only after this treaty).

Could a war have been avoided if Poland would had been more accommodating to their German minority aka Germany? I dunno! But I like to think so..

Were they as nationalistic as the Germans? You bet! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Ach so...okay...

I think for the Jews it would have been quite the same...Poland would had stayed sovereign and maybe Poland would had allowed the german troops to gather at the border to attack the Bolsheviks and might have even took part in the war.

On the other hand Poland would had sunk with Germany and Stalin would had ruled till East Germany after the end....so nothing new here!
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

So would such an alliance be a bad or a good thing, opinions?

"Impossible" would be more fitting.
Everything I read and learned points me to an annoying, irritating and aggravating Poland which nationalism was as worse as the german one.
And with the feeling of being safe behind the french and british friendship toasts they didn't even see a reason to amend to the neighbor.

It seems the Reich would had said yes if Poland had given some signs...
The nearly complete lack of anti-polish propaganda is still wondrous.

Everything would had gone different!
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Mar 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3678583,00.html

Germany will give 1 million euros for badly needed restoration work at the Auschwitz death camp museum in neighboring Poland, where more than one million Jews perished during World War Two.

Bratwurst Boy   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

Without Bismarck you could have became a European superpower through the might of your economy, political pressure and extreme dynamic of your nation,

Without Bismarck there wouldn't even be a german nation as we know it!
Stop flaming the man, man!

you're only one of contemporary leaders of Europe and in decline at that.

Aren't we all?
I mean rising - declining - rising - declining - rising - declining...ad nauseam.
Europe's history! All has beens...
In the future there can't be only one Europe if we want to stay competetive!

*missiles*
(See Mods? I mentioned it)
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

And make mortal enemies out of them,

He was good at alliances! What are you talking about!
He secured the newborn country, as long as he was at the helm it was safe and on it's way to become a leading nation of the continent.

All was going downhill the moment the Kaiser thought he knew better and chased
him away...

Leave my Bismarck alone!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

Any major lost war would have Germany enter a genocidal war of retribution, thats the inflexible mindset which is the legacy of your beloved Bismarck.

So we better win!

Bismarck was a cool man for his time...with him Germany would had sidestepped and overthrown the french and british rivals without shedding any blood (kind of vintage EU)...
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

Well, good question. Would you in the nice global position you are in now without the US rebuilding Germany?

Well...without the US meddling in WWI there wouldn't had been any rebuilding necessary...

We will never know what would had happened...

He's quite pro-Russia

I'm pro peaceful Europe...I will bitch about every troublemaker! Be he/she polish, german or russian!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

Well that's kind of true to a point but you guys sunk the Lusitania

The Lusitania was smuggling weapons....
And...was it worth it?

BB, what are you talking about? Be grateful for US intervention. They tipped the balance twice. Do you really think that the Allies would've won the war without them?

Why should I be grateful?

The allies won the first war only with the help of the US.
That didn't stop the french and the british to vomit the treaty of versailles what made some painter in Vienna so mad that he decided to go into politics.

You were saying?
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

You help Europeans out - They hate you.
You don't help Europeans out -They hate you.

That's just not true!
There are people in Europe who hate the US as a full time job and nothing what
the Americans will ever do will change their opinion. But you can forget about them!
Then there are those who just have different opinions and like/dislike Washingtons policies.
And last but not least there is the broad mass who don't give a sh*it at all!

It's cheaper to do nothing.

But that is certainly true...without the US meddling in WWI for example, there wouldn't had been WWII...it was not the most smartest thing to do!
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Feb 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

The fact is that Germany pursues an unreasonable and destructive policy,

Really!

and should be opposed with all tools available or the consequences will be severe to the entire Europe Germany included.

...then you better invent a better alternative to russian resources soon!
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Feb 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

Why do you like so much to compare some bygone superpowers with the actual state of affairs?

Ja...a main argument one hears quite often but it get's tiring after 60sumthin years.
Welcome to 2009 Poland!
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Feb 2009
History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [871]

Agreed about the past!

But times have changed and it just isn't in Germany's national interest anymore to invade and to destroy another potential customer market for our products. Quite the contrary is the case..to buy our goods we need happy, prospering people with their bags full of money, you understand?

And why should Russia attack and try to invade Germany???

There won't be any war between us anymore...