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Well, as I pointed out, the concession to operate those two ports was given to that Hong Kong company before the full control of the Panama Canal was given to Panama and before Hong Kong became Chinese.

CK Hutchison is a conglomerate whose largest owner is a family of Hong Kong billionaires, not the Chinese government.

So what do you propose to do with this situation?

Does that concession have time limit? Does it end? And even if the US took over the Panama Canal - that concession would still be valid and in effect. CK Hutchison has also investments in the US.

So how about some American billionaire buys that Hong Kong company and problem solved? 🤔


YES! THANK YOU! But so far you're the only American on this forum who clearly stated that he is against the invasion of Panama.


Taking away something that provides income for such a small nation will be a punishment.


I was also against the invasion of Iraq, as I wrote many times on this forum before.

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Yes.


LOL


You need to start reading comments on this thread. Are you blind? All the Americans on this forum, except for cms_neuf (or maybe he isn't an American?) and including you, plus one British (Miloslaw) and one Pole (Ironside) seem to be OK with the US invading Panama and are banging on how the US has "the right" to do it! 🤦
Everyone - correct me if I'm wrong, PLEASE!

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Then Panama isn't responsible for American f*ck ups and shouldn't be blamed and punished for them.


That's the first I hear of it.


And those women go to jail for that.

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Wait a minute... Panama got full control of the Panama Canal only in 1999... So, that Hong Kong company got that concession while the US was still in control of the canal? And the US didn't mind back then?

Btw, for context - in 1996 Hong Kong was still British, not Chinese. 🤔

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Didn't you read what I posted on the previous page?:

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-help-defend-greenland-imperialism-88764/6/#msg2009249

Panama is bound by neutrality agreement:

"Mr. Berg said the neutrality agreement made it unlikely that Panama would even be able to grant special rates to the United States."


Then you are yet another hypocrite and a Nazi/Putinist-like psycho. And something like that coming from a Pole is doubly shameful and disgusting. Shame on you!

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Exactly. And it looks like that Trump has the support of PF bootlickers to do the same.


So I'm guessing it's a fake created by RuSSian propagandists. Most likely it wasn't "deleted" - it's just was never posted at all.


So are you going to be OK with the US invading a peaceful country? I'd like to finally get a straight answer to my question and not another "blah blah":

DO YOU WANT YOUR COUNTRY TO INVADE PANAMA???


So are you going to be OK with the US invading Panama and taking the Panama Canal by force?

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Said Hitler. And look at what happened to him. Not being in touch with reality doesn't end well for anyone.


No, it isn't. That's a lie.


No, only psychopaths think in this way. People who see enemies everywhere often end up in a mental hospital or in jail.

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You're lying again.


Panama isn't your enemy, you psycho o_O


The US is hated in many parts of the world already, so adding Europe to that list wouldn't be smart, to say the least. And if the US starts invading peaceful countries not only Trump will be hated, but also those who support him.


Thank God.

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Trump is saying all kinds of things that aren't true and he's manipulating. He remindes me of Putin in this regard. And even if it is a "national security threat" to some extent then Trump is approaching it in the wrong way.


So do YOU WANT your country to invade Panama or are you arguing for this invasion only because Trump said something and "Euros" don't like it? 🤨


Trump isn't even officially the president yet and he sounds like trouble already.

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Especially that the current president of Panama is apparently very pro-American, so Trump by lying about Panama and trying to bully it, is shooting the US in the foot:

nytimes.com/2025/01/08/world/americas/trump-panama-canal.html

"Last month, Mr. Trump falsely accused Panama of allowing Chinese soldiers to control the vital shipping route, which connects the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, and of overcharging American ships.

(...)

Mr. Berg said the neutrality agreement made it unlikely that Panama would even be able to grant special rates to the United States. And, he noted, Mr. Mulino is "incredibly pro-American" and likely eager to help the incoming Trump administration deal with issues like illegal immigration.

"President Mulino is going to be a great ally with the United States," Mr. Berg said. "We should not want this to devolve into some kind of political fight because we're going to need President Mulino on a number of other issues."'

So, it looks like Trump is being foolish and isn't thinking about long-term consequences of what he's saying.
And another fragment from the article:

'"If the U.S. wanted to flout international law and act like Vladimir Putin, the U.S. could invade Panama and recover the canal," said Benjamin Gedan, director of the Wilson Center's Latin America Program in Washington. "No one would see it as a legitimate act, and it would bring not only grievous damage to their image, but instability to the canal."'


In what way?


Yes, Panamanians. And who claims it's "falling apart" and why are you "lol-ing"? Panama is apparently running the canal better than the US did:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal

"Opponents to the 1977 Torrijos-Carter Treaties feared that efficiency and maintenance would suffer following the U.S. withdrawal from the Panama Canal Zone; however, this has been proven not to be the case. In 2004, it was reported that canal operations, capitalizing on practices developed during the American administration, were improving under Panamanian control.

(...)

In the first decade after the transfer to Panamanian control, the Panama Canal Authority (ACP) invested nearly US$1 billion in widening and modernizing the canal, with the aim of increasing capacity by 20 percent.

(...)

"The expansion proposal, with a cost estimate of US$5.25 billion, was expected to double the canal's shipping capacity by allowing both the passage of longer and wider Post-Panamax ships and an increase in overall traffic. This proposal was approved in a national referendum by about 80 percent on 22 October 2006. The canal expansion was built between 2007 and 2016."

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My translation:

"The one who gives and takes away, to Hell leads his way."


The Chinese in Panama is nothing new. China sent its workers to Panama since 1854, when Chinese laborers crossed the sea to work on railroad construction in what was then still part of Colombia. In the aftermath of the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, many mainland Chinese fled to Panama by way of Hong Kong on temporary visas and short-term residency permits:

sixthtone.com/news/1000802

"Since 2000, Li says, the exodus to Panama has shrunk with the rise of the Chinese economy. And while Chinese immigrants in more developed countries typically seek citizenship, according to Li, many Panamanian-Chinese plan to return to China eventually."


Exactly. Diplomacy. Investments. The US has to be smart, like China is. It wouldn't be wise for the US to make enemies out of its neighbours. Bullying and invading countries leads to them becoming your long-term enemies and you don't want to be surrounded by enemies. That's something RuSSia hasn't understood yet and pays for it.

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It isn't your canal anymore, just like Ukraine isn't RuSSia's anymore and both countries don't have the right to take by force something that they officially gave away out of free will.

As we say in Poland: "Kto daje i odbiera ten się w piekle poniewiera." :)


Oh really? So you're 100% sure he was serious about invading Panama? You want your country to invade Panama?

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@Miloslaw, you completely misunderstood what I wrote. I didn't claim that you made any "pro Russian or pro Putin comment". I wrote that you sound like a Putinist, not that you are one. Do you understand? You and PolAm are making the same arguments about the US having "the right" to invade Panama just like Putinists when justifying invading Ukraine. Get it? You sound like RuSSians. You sound like imperialists. And that makes you hypocrites.

This is what you wrote, Miloslaw, in case you forgot:

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Panamanians have never been Americans either! lol


You clearly fail to see that it's not me who sounds like a RuSSian apologist, but you, PolAm and some others on this thread sound like Putinists. That's the problem.


I'm obviously talking about strategic places and not all over the place. If the US cares so much about the Panama Canal they could focus their diplomatic efforts and investments on Panama, for example.

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@Novichok, no, I'm on a planet called Morality, Human Decency and Law and Order :) PolAm is living on a planet Imperialism and Chaos, unfortunately.


That was pretty long ago then. China is spreading its tentacles all over the world in this way nowadays, including in Poland and other EU countries, not only in Panama.

For example, in Poland that same company (CK Hutchison Holdings) owns a part of wharf in Gdynia and due to that in 2023 there was a diplomatic incident, because an American warship couldn't moor next to the Chinese part and had to chose another area.

So is the US going to invade Poland now?

Since we now see what China is doing there's a growing resistance to such Chinese investments. The US should work diplomatically on this issue and make their own investments, instead of invading countries.

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I see you managed to descend even lower :D


Every country's ships that go through that canal have to pay those tariffs, including China and Japan who are providing the biggest "traffic" after the US. So, in this sense all countries that take that root are "paying" for the canal's repairs, not only the US and that's normal.


I'm afraid you're the one who has to educate yourself on this :))) Read a history textbook ASAP.


I think you'll see that he doesn't - just give me a minute :)

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What a "charming" Nazi peasant! :D


No, it's a way of showing you how far gone you are. Would you prefer me to call you a Putinist-like imperialist? Because you sound like one.


I wasn't commenting on US-Canada relationship, but on your comment about how "easy" it would be for the US to invade Canada.


Are you sure about this? Where does it say so?
Because it seems to me that Panama is doing the maintenance of the canal:

voanews.com/a/panama-canal-maintenance-work-aims-to-extend-its-life-by-a-century/7093383.html

'"These Panama Canal locks are more than 100 years old, and our maintenance plan is designed to extend their life for another 100 years," Miguel Lorenzo, vice president of infrastructure and engineering for the canal authority, told AFP.

(...)

The canal authority says it invests more than $400 million a year in maintenance projects.'

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They would be. Having the right to get an abortion doesn't equal having an abortion. Majority of women want to have kids, so you really don't have to lose your sleep over this issue - it's not the abortion that is the problem.


Meaning? 🤨


No, because to be honest - I don't know. I don't know what number that would be. For you it would be a simple answer, I'm guessing - zero. But since I don't mind black people just because they're black then my answer wouldn't be "zero". I'm not a sociologist or some kind of expert on immigration though. That's why I think asking such a random person like me about some exact number of immigrants (not only black ones) is stupid and unreasonable.

Also, it isn't just about numbers, but also about the "quality" of such immigration, so to speak. For example, we don't exactly have millions of immigrants from Georgia, but let us say that I'd be wary of taking a taxi with a Georgian male driver.


I don't know if Poland has a plan that includes the maximum number of immigrants (I doubt that it does), but it looks like that whatever immigration laws we have - they're working. Also, Poland isn't a rich country or a "benefits paradise", so it isn't some kind of a dream destination for immigrants from poor countries. And so I'm not losing my sleep over surplus immigration.

Btw, the natives in Dubai are literally a minority, did you know? lol Majority of people living in Dubai are immigrants and at the same time - it's one of the safest cities in the world.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Dubai

"The population of Dubai, the most populous city in the United Arab Emirates, is estimated to be 3.5 million as of April 2022 according to government data. As of 2021, 3.2 million were non-Emirati, and 69% were male. About 58.50% of the population is concentrated in the 25-44 age group. This unnatural age and gender distribution is due to the large proportion of foreign workers, most of whom are working-age males."

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Well, Miloslaw, if you're so terribly interested...

My opinion on immigration is that the immigration laws should be reasonable and they and the government should make sure that the immigration won't be hurting the host country and its people long-term.

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I have a serious question too:

Have you all suddenly lost your freaking minds???

As for "very unrealistic view of the world" - Canada is a US ally and a founding member of NATO. If the US attacked Canada it would mean that the US turned completely psychotic (think Nazi Germany level psychotic) and thus the possibility of the whole f*cking world ganging up against the US would be very, very high.


I'm a centrist, Milo. Calm down. Is PolAm your buddy or something? 🤨


Really? So according to your "logic" RuSSia has "every right" to take back Ukraine, "genius"! 🤦

And how are the Chinese "taking control" of the Panama Canal exactly?

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So, our precious little Nazi, are you saying that you'd like the US to invade Panama?


Well, hello Nazi psycho.


So now you're saying that Trump was serious and is going to invade Panama after all?

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No, I just chose not to answer your stupid and unreasonable question, just like you don't answer intelligent and reasonable questions of others :)


I'm afraid that AI is going to be long-term more of a curse than a blessing.


Of course that women plan long-term. I even have an impression that more so than men. Just look at politicians - majority of them are men.
Also, you clearly don't know my opinions on immigration.

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@Vesko Vukovic, Poland would want to have so many US bases on its territory lol


No, it isn't.


I don't know, the Greenlanders don't seem to be so convinced about this - here a Polish guy who's been living in Greenland for almost 20 years is talking about what people over there think about all this commotion:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/polak-o-kulisach-przylotu-trumpa-juniora-na-grenlandie-polaczyl-sie-z-ojcem-7112072092650240a

My translation of a fragment from the article:

"The events of the last weeks, meaning tweets and statements by Donald Trump and his son's visit, were taken a bit more seriously. Although still many people I talked to, including my students at high school, seemed to be pretty indifferent. If you look at it more widely Greenlanders have become more sceptical and wary - he explains.

Those more cautious inhabitants of the island remind about forcible resettlements due to the building of the American air force base in Thule in the 1950s. They also talk about the bad treatement of indigenous inhabitants of the US, primarily the Inuit in Alaska. Greenlanders are interested in their life, they take part in various exchanges and they know very well that due to the policies of the American government they lost a big part of their culture. Something like this would be unacceptable here."

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@pawian, you mean AI lies more than Novichok? lol 🤔

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No, I told you to GTFO :)

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@Novichok, no, Poland wasn't an ally of the USSR - it was its hostage. And that only happened because the Soviet Union invaded Poland. So what are the chances of China invading Germany?

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@Novichok, why "lame deflection"? lol You live in the US and you don't consider yourself a Pole, so why would I give you any numbers? Worry about your own immigrants and GTFO :)

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@Novichok, first of all, it's really not your business :) Poland is my country, not yours, I live here, not you. Our imigrants are our problem, you don't have to worry about their numbers and I don't have to explain myself to you or give you any numbers at all :))

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@mrgayboi, no, dude, the Polish government won't give this psycho "enhanced pension rights for bravery" lol 🤦


Because studying in Poland is cheaper.

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Those are quotes from your article that you didn't include:

"Aaja Chemnitz, a Greenlandic member of the Danish parliament, said the idea of a U.S. takeover should be firmly rejected. "I don't want to be a pawn in Trump's hot dreams of expanding his empire to include our country," she wrote."

"Greenland is talking about becoming independent from Denmark, but no Greenlanders want to just switch to a new colonial master," said Ulrik Pram Gad, a senior researcher and expert on Greenland"

"Greenland has banned extraction of oil and natural gas for environmental reasons, and development of its mining sector has been snarled in red tape and opposition from indigenous people."


They could, but they wouldn't and not because the US would tell them not to lol


No, it doesn't. RuSSia isn't in an alliance with Ukraine.