News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Delph, you know I told you why for the last time already, right? ;) In the unlikely event that you have forgotten, look back in the thread.

I simply refuse to believe that a pilot worth his salt would intentionally go too low over an afforested area. It's tantamount to suicide and jeopardised too many lives.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

You should watch the videos I posted above, Monia. They are in Polish and professionally cover, through the insight of experts, that which the official reports duck. The lack of final guidance is covered too.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

... part 2 of 3.

... part 1 of 3. 30 mins of footage as to why convex may well be wrong. You need to read a lot of info to ever hope of getting near the truth. If 9/11 didn't teach people that then we have limited hope in this world.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

There was a mix up whereby they didn't pass it onto the relevant personnel. That's what I read.

They saw the runway? I don't think so, somehow.

Following height because?

I'll look for that link.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Weather was NOT given properly and timeously, convex. Read the report again.

Wow, so 2 other planes did the same and STILL the ATC sat on their arses drinking vodka. Do you know that one of the guys wasn't tested for alcohol on that day? They MUST be, it's protocol.

Blasik also thought they were at a different altitude and that's the main thing. 100m my butt, they were well below.

The Russians allegedly wanted to kill the maker of that video, convex. There is an account online somewhere of people interviewing him and him being petrified that he'd be caught. There was even a scare story that they caught up with him in Kiev, Ukraine, and killed him.

He escaped, it's a fact!

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Smoleńsk is hardly the warmest place on Earth, even in April. There was thawing snow according to the reports. There were some reports but they may have been falsified. Conspiracy theorists are pushing this idea, artificial fog. Spraying from a remote location would create enough fog to blind the pilots but that's just a theory.

Travel / Why do you visit Poland? [223]

There are lakes, mountains, seaside and also many nice buildings to look at :)

Travel / Why do you visit Poland? [223]

One, yes. However, there is much much more you can do in Poland than enjoy female company.

Travel / Why do you visit Poland? [223]

Why not? Do you think I'm in Poland for the girls?

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

You may have a point, nomad. A plane recently crashed in Guyana and, to the best of my knowledge, everyone survived. The witness specifically heard gun shots right beside where the plane was. It is rather convenient that they were there. The more I see conflicting rubbish from the both sides, the more I believe that sb could have been there to make sure by killing them. The tape has been analysed closely so conclusions can be drawn.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

So, why were they soooo far off to the left again? Why weren't they told about it?

Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]

Aha, not disposing of waste? Keeping documents from 2007, for example? Yeah, I know what you mean. Many things have second-hand value here, that's true.

Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]

Not really, no. What do you mean, For4?

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Convex, spot on!!

Delph, I'd like to but...

Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

Are the Scots any different, delph? Breivik had a point, the Japanese tend to have honour and dignity beyond ours but, in a European context, the Poles and the Scots fare pretty darn well, I'd say.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Well, f*ck their planning then. What a bunch of morons! Why couldn't they have left the day before?

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

I'm beginning to wonder. They were perilously close to that.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

The YAK guys had greater visibility and a lighter aircraft.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Delph, it was tantamount to it given how low they were. Even scud runners don't pull that nonsense given the terrain.

Why did he flirt with the trees, delph? Does that suggest experience to you?

Convex, I'd consider it as a hidden deathwish ;)

I don't believe they knew their true altitude, simple

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Then why wasn't it classed as a suicide mission? Too painful or didn't address the facts?

Exactly! I don't want to embrace wild conspiracies either but when two official sources produce such conflicting accounts, who can we go with? Yourself and Sky, as aviators, should easily be able to reach a definitive conclusion. However, yourselves, like the rest of us, have just been fed with what some want us to hear.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Convex, he wouldn't navigate into the ground. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Were you in the plane, convex? Then how do you know?

Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]

You are off-topic again, mike

Please answer the thread topic or not at all, thanks.

Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

How's the bigos in the US? Are the regional dishes good there?

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Convex, I've written time and again why he went below. You know why.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Please elaborate, mike

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

As you know, sky, they likely believed that the TAWS was malfunctioning due to the lack of data for that neck of the woods. I encourage you to check the interview with the TAWS owner of Arizona. They clearly believed they were higher than they were at all times. Pilots tend to know margins of error and he wasn't on a suicide mission.

Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

Identity with elasticity, that's the way :)

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

I don't think that technical problems played a major part in what happened at the end. Then again, I'm just going on available data. The problem with the Tupolev is it takes a long time to pull up. The pilot didn't have enough time to work with and after clipping a birch tree or two, his options were severely limited.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

You don't know Polish, nomad, so I can tell you that George is Jerzy or Jurek. Jerzy Miller headed up the investigation on the Polish side with the help of Szeremet, Rzepa etc.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Monia, it's good that you are trying to get to the bottom of things (we are both highly qualified in Law) but don't be force-fed rubbish. Go straight to the critical points and examine the 'facts' as best we know them. The crux of the matter is the 100m question. I've already given 2 suggestions as to why they went below 100m. If you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Russian ATC was negligent in the exercise of their duties then you have your trump card.