News / Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland [381]


Your USA-Poland analogy is almost perfect. Almost.

You are wrong in the part that I highlighted. The progressive and the conservative side may indeed consider each other "irredeemable idiots" but in Poland there is no real hatred between them.

Do you think Ironside hates me? Do you think I hate Korvinus? Think again. This is Poland. We can argue and fight between one another but should a foreigner raise his hand against one of us, 40 million will strike him back. Sure, Podkarpacie are a bunch of hillbilly rednecks but try to hurt them and Pomeranian troops will be all over you like a honey badger on a cobra. Deploy a landing force on the coast of Gdańsk, which those hillbillies consider a modern version of Babylon lol, and Podkarpacie riflemen will give you hell like in 1920. So, if Владимир Владимирович is counting on one day invading a divided Poland, he'll be sorely disappointed.

EDIT:

Why is the election thread closed? I wanted to brag about the results in my beloved city...



... Gdańsk forever! :)

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:)

Sense of humour is important.

If you don't know how and what to think about Poland's new president, just imagine that Kaczynski is the new president now (Nawrocki is only his marionette).

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Not a buddy (at least not right away) but definitely a soul mate or a mental equivalent.

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One person is certainly happy with the elections' result. I'll give you a hint - he likes three things: botox, ice hockey, and bare-chest horseback riding.

Those who voted for Nawrocki can wear their onucas with pride and apply to Novichok for the membership in Putin's fan club.

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Well, what can I say...

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More so than Kaczyński and Nawrocki.

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Not funny.


I am probably the only 100% pro-Polish consistent poster here, always for the best interest of Poland. Of that you can be sure.

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I used to respect you, Iron, but with this one sentence you just earned your place in the same league with Strzelec. Well done.


Plus more thugs in the presidential palace and state-run institutions, presidential pardons for PiS crooks and thieves, and of course Nawrocki himself is beyond the reach of the law now. President can only be judged by the Constitutional Tribunal, and it's not going to happen. Again - a sad day for Poland. We are moving away from the European mainstream and closer to Belarus and Hungary.

I don't hold it against Braun and Mentzen voters that they voted for Nawrocki (93% and 90% respectively). It was easy to predict. However, the 10% of Biejat voters, 14% of Hołownia's, 16% of Zandberg's and 19% of Senyszyn's 1st round voters might have problems looking into the mirror in the coming years.

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A very sad day for Poland.


Listen, teddy bear. "Middle-aged city dwelling dandies" will be quite all right, no matter who happens to be the president. As for the rest of you... your primitive prejudices, hatred, resentment and envy have just made Poland weaker and more vulnerable. Hope you're proud of yourselves.

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No, he's not. Do you think every politician you disagree with is Jewish? Interesting psychological phenomenon.

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What is that supposed to mean? :)

Did you really vote for Narwocki? It means that you think the missing letters here...



... are PRO.

Congratulations. Hopefully you and your ilk are in minority.

@jon357

Sometimes the count is quicker in certain comissions in large cities, there's no rule really. The USA, however, is surely already counted and they definitely voted for Nawrocki. It will probably swing to Nawrocki, then back to Trzaskowski and will stay there. I'd say 51,5% for the Warsaw's president.

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Fingers crossed.

The USA voted earlier, so in early counts it might swing to Nawrocki but hopefully common sense won and we will have Rafał Trzaskowski as our president.

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In godless countries perhaps. They will all receive their reward, in the lake of fire, where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.

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That's not a distinction, that's a thesaurus entry.


More like...

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:)

That's the plan, Alien. That's the plan. That's why we have to stay as a fully integrated part of the core EU to change this Marxist-ridden union into something better one day.

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Ordoliberalism, with families - as building block of every healthy society - heavily subsidised by the state built on traditional values and Catholic Church's social teaching.

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Hmm, so they were the real rebels and we were 'good boys' swallowing official state propaganda? Well I never...

But maybe you're onto something. This and the desire to shock the older generations. Good thinking, BB. :)

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Not to Crow I bet! I can imagine him being a Slavic-pagan skinhead in 1990s Novi Sad. :)


Incomprehensible. Especially that we were raised on Polish and Soviet war films in which nazis were always legendarily black characters. Oh, well... human mind is a great mystery.

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Let me, therefore, explain.

In the 90s skinheads in Poland were divided into three groups (well, three main groups anyway). Nationalist-Catholic - my bunch, we listened to Legion and were Polish nationalists without any ubermenschen, Arian, nazi nonsense; national-socialist (what one would call neo-nazi), they listened to Blood and Honour and they somehow managed in their heads to reconcile being Polish and nazi lol. These two groups didn't exactly love each other (to put it mildly). There was also a third group, Slavic-pagan (Tejkowski and Sztorm 68), and some of them evolved into weird leftist communist skinheads - a strange minority.

Did I go to football games, fight police and opposing teams' fans? Sure. And today, when I look back, I am neither proud nor ashamed of it. It was testosterone mixed with a healthy dose of youthful stupidity. Also, years of watching war movies and playing war in the playground played their part too. Children are raised a bit differently nowadays.

One thing that I have to say though is that my skinhead pals were the best comrades one could ever hope to have, and two of them are still in my closest circle of friends. They both have higher education (one of them received a ministerial award for his MA thesis) families and good jobs, and don't have any criminal record apart from a few short detentions before or after football games. In case of Nawrocki it's different; his pals were/are(?) regular gansters, criminals and pimps, and he seems to be not only proud of it but also still unhealthily fascinated with his former(?) mates.


Exactly. Baranki Boże, a funny skinhead band from Słupsk, even had a song poetically entitled 'Narkomańskie ścierwo'. :)

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Did I? I must have been drunk. ;)


Not at all. He even spoke against it in European Parliament recently, saying that some EU regulations have led to unacceptably high energy prices in certain countries, which could undermine Europe's competitiveness against economies like the U.S. and China. Your boy Mentzen would have said exactly the same thing but they would dismiss Mentzen in Brussels whilst they listen attentively to Tusk who is very critical of the Green Deal as well as of the Mercosur agreement (and is forming a coalition against the idea in its current form).


Geez. Tusk really is your boogeyman, isn't he? :)

In reality his government has adopted a strict stance against illegal migration and has implemented several measures to reinforce border security and control migration flows - going as far as waiving the right to apply for asylum for those who cross Polish border illegaly, for which he was criticised severely by various European leftists, but he doesn't give a toss. :) Also, Tusk has firmly opposed the European Union's Migration and Asylum Pact, particularly its relocation mechanism. He stated that Poland would not accept additional migrant quotas, emphasizing that the country has already taken in a significant number of Ukrainian refugees and cannot bear further burdens.

He is an old cunning fox, Tusk - the older and wiser I get, the more I appreciate him.

The other things that you and Amiga mention are straight from PiS gadzinówki like 'Sieci' or 'Gazeta Polska' and I have no time for such nonsense. Actually, it's 7 pm already - I have to do some work for tomorrow. See ya later, guys, and don't you dare vote for Kaczyński's ape.

In case I don't have time to post tomorrow, and the electoral silence starts at midnight on Friday, I shall leave you with this beautiful piece of poetry:

Lepiej z gówna zrobić skręta,
niż z alfonsa prezydenta.

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Indeed!


As it usually does! Fides et ratio non sunt contraria, sed mutuo se amplexantes and all that. Damn it, Iron, how can you be so right on some things and so annoyingly wrong on others? ;)

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Are you really in position to make such judgement, Iron? :)

Андре́й Никола́евич Колмого́ров, a famous Russian mathematician and a Hero of Socialist Labour, contributed immensely to the field of information theory. From his works, if I properly understood them, we can conclude that if a robot's algorithm is simpler than the description of a more complex robot, it cannot fully simulate or explain it. In other words, a simpler robot may lack the complexity to simulate or understand a more complex one (or to call him a cretin). ;)


Be more precise. Give me a concrete example of what you think Trzaskowski can realistically do as president for that to happen.

Or... on second thought, don't. Live with your fears if you're comfortable with them.


Oh, that. For your information, I rejected the offer (for reasons that I shall keep to myself).

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I am always on the roll because I always stand for: Jesus Christ, Poland, Slavia, and traditional family values.

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Watch me.

What's the worst that Trzaskowski could do? Swerve left and promote some silly woke leftist agendas? So what? Poles are, by and large, a conservative society - he would just be ignored. He could, on the other hand, help to put PiS crooks and thieves behind bars where they belong.

What's the worst that Nawrocki could do? Quite a lot. Introduce legislative obstruction, issue presidential pardons to his PiS mates, ruin relations with the EU, and last but not the least be a walking embarrassment to any decent person in Poland.


Because, after seizing power from PiS they couldn't go after every Kaczyński's orangutang everywhere. If Nawrocki wasn't named a presidential candidate he would definitely be left alone at least until a new democratic president was sworn in.

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Exactly.

I always admired your ability to read Polish poltics. It was quite impressive a long while ago when you said that Russia will have to wait until PiS comes back to power before the Russian-Polish relations can improve (if Russia is still ruled by Putin, of course). An ordinary Russian would see PiS as vehemently Russophobic but you saw deeper than that.

At the moment Russian sympathy is with Nawrocki as a presidential candidate. Russian intelligence services can see clearly that PiS may have started as patriotic ordoliberals but they have mutated into quasi-putinists, so immediately a platform of mutual understanding emerged. And that is precisely why PiS have to be kept at bay if Poland is to grow in wealth, power and influence. Later (like 15-20 years later), I can even conceive power in Poland passing to Konfederacja, but definitely not just yet. They don't have ample structures or adequate human resources, and hence would be easy prey for foreign influence. Tusk, Sikorski, Kosiniak-Kamysz et al, on the other hand, are independent and smart enough to use foreign support without becoming agents of foreign influence themselves. In 2045 I can imagine a PSL-Konfederacja government successfully leading Poland to even greater prosperity.

*waits for Iron to burst into the thread like a bulldog into a henhouse*

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Not in two days but in about a week if Nawrocki sued right away under the electoral procedure (which he would have done if he were innocent). They would ask Onet to substantiate their claims, question the witnesses and give a ruling on whether Onet's article constituted slander. That's exactly what the electoral procedure was created for. Nawrocki, for obvious reasons, didn't want witnesses to speak about his past in the court of law before Sunday, so he went for a long civil suit.


Excuse me? I have three different degrees including electronic engineering and physics (the third one, as the most embarrassing, I shall keep to myself :)), if that's a narrow field then I would like to see someone with a wide one!

It is precisely because I am well able to distinguish facts from bullsh*t that I don't want to see Kaczyński's marionette anywhere near the presidential palace.


The negative recommendation was issued in 2021. Obviously, during the PiS rule it was swept under the carpet. If you claim - as you would seem to be - that the materials and documents gathered by ABW in the case were falsified then, as an honest citizen, you have to notify the authorities of a criminal offense. No? I didn't think so.


For a very simple reason. PO has to wait for Duda to be out of office; otherwise he would just issue one presidential pardon after another. I can assure you that as soon as a democratic president is sworn in, the trials and long term prison sentences will follow. DePiSsification will be ruthless and thorough.

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His dreams...

demotywatory.pl/5300699/Kiedy-widzisz-reakcje-wyborcow-na-wyplywajace-afery-i-brudy-z

... might come true if Polish patriots don't turn up en masse at polling stations.

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Those who signed it are either retards or cynical liars.

Zielony Ład was signed by Morawiecki and let me quote another PiSman...


... so they protest against what they themselves promoted and agreed upon.

As for "Pakt Migracyjny" - let's remember the 366 thousand of immigrants from Muslim and African countries that PiS let in, more than Germany or Spain at the same time! There is a 300-page long report by NIK (Najwyższa Izba Kontroli) that confirms it...

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Tak-PiS-wpuscil-do-Polski-setki-tysiecy-imigrantow-Mocny-raport-NIK-8816635.html

They also write about Mercosur deal which Tusk vehemently opposes and is actually forming a coalition of countries against it...

businessinsider.com.pl/wiadomosci/polska-przeciwko-porozumieniu-ue-mercosur/1nx3tcd

And so on and so forth. Those who signed the document are lying and playing on people's fears just to get Kaczyński's marionette elected. Despicable.

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Sure, but there is also nothing harder than men giving birth to babies and da liegt der Hund begraben, as Mateusz Morawiecki used to say in Frankfurt.

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I didn't mean oligarchy. Quite the opposite. What I had in mind was proper meritocracy, where honest achievement would be awarded with voting rights.


:)

That's exactly what I told my wife today when she was worried about the elections--no matter who wins, for us personally it won't change much.


Great idea! *thumbs up*