Bratwurst Boy
21 Jan 2010
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]
What for?
National myths are important
What for?
Bratwurst Boy
21 Jan 2010
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]
Do you want me to gather all the threads here on PF attacked as anti-polish propaganda because a German or a Brit or a Jew or whatever does not show Poland/Poles only as it's best???
That has nothing to do with smartness but everything with knowledge!
People are smart.
Do you want me to gather all the threads here on PF attacked as anti-polish propaganda because a German or a Brit or a Jew or whatever does not show Poland/Poles only as it's best???
That has nothing to do with smartness but everything with knowledge!
Bratwurst Boy
21 Jan 2010
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]
Where from?
How should they know if they get teached only the satinized, rosy variant?
A normal person knows what is mythic and what is not.
Where from?
How should they know if they get teached only the satinized, rosy variant?
Bratwurst Boy
21 Jan 2010
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]
Good example!
I don't know of any German painting the Teutonic Knights as benign civilization bringer holding the torch of freedom (anymore that is)!
Nor would we call it "anti-german propaganda" if you complain about them! ;)
I think we see them quite realistically...
What's a "psubracie"?
One myth at time though. Maybe how the Teutonic Knights were spreading Christianity in Poland?
Good example!
I don't know of any German painting the Teutonic Knights as benign civilization bringer holding the torch of freedom (anymore that is)!
Nor would we call it "anti-german propaganda" if you complain about them! ;)
I think we see them quite realistically...
What's a "psubracie"?
Bratwurst Boy
21 Jan 2010
History / Yalta Conference and Poland [78]
Oh god...I once had it....lemme go looking..
Okay...I give up....I can't find the original.
But I believe the paper has an archive! I wished they would put it online like Times or Spiegel recently...
Nothing beats reading original articles from that time - history as it's best!
Oh god...I once had it....lemme go looking..
Okay...I give up....I can't find the original.
But I believe the paper has an archive! I wished they would put it online like Times or Spiegel recently...
Nothing beats reading original articles from that time - history as it's best!
Bratwurst Boy
21 Jan 2010
History / Yalta Conference and Poland [78]
Maybe the Daily Mail has an archive where we could find it...
But this special quote is from an article from 6th August 1939.
Can you find full text not only single quote ?
Maybe the Daily Mail has an archive where we could find it...
But this special quote is from an article from 6th August 1939.
Bratwurst Boy
21 Jan 2010
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]
It makes talking about history and even current events quite a struggle sometimes.
Especially with people fed on those myths who start to accuse you of "fabricating anti-polish propaganda" the moment you mention otherwise (outside of Poland that is) well known facts...
Also upholding myths which paints one side only totally rosy is not helpful for any reconciliation at all!
I would say leave the myths alone.
It makes talking about history and even current events quite a struggle sometimes.
Especially with people fed on those myths who start to accuse you of "fabricating anti-polish propaganda" the moment you mention otherwise (outside of Poland that is) well known facts...
Also upholding myths which paints one side only totally rosy is not helpful for any reconciliation at all!
Bratwurst Boy
21 Jan 2010
Bratwurst Boy
20 Jan 2010
Bratwurst Boy
20 Jan 2010
History / Yalta Conference and Poland [78]
Well...ESPECIALLY if you know about it better than the masses. What should he have told them?
"Ummm...erm....okay guys...we better cave in...my tank has crashed three times on me on my way here...we have no chance and you can't trust frenchies anyhow....let's go home..."
I think he would have been punished for "defeatism" then...
He was a Field Marshall. He must have known the true state of Poland's armed forces and materiel.
Well...ESPECIALLY if you know about it better than the masses. What should he have told them?
"Ummm...erm....okay guys...we better cave in...my tank has crashed three times on me on my way here...we have no chance and you can't trust frenchies anyhow....let's go home..."
I think he would have been punished for "defeatism" then...
Bratwurst Boy
20 Jan 2010
History / Yalta Conference and Poland [78]
What more...two countries about to go to war....blood has to be heated up, propaganda to spill, the masses made to scream enthusiastic...the same old everywhere!
What else should he have said?
What more...two countries about to go to war....blood has to be heated up, propaganda to spill, the masses made to scream enthusiastic...the same old everywhere!
What else should he have said?
Bratwurst Boy
20 Jan 2010
Bratwurst Boy
20 Jan 2010
History / Yalta Conference and Poland [78]
Well...he said that at a ceremony of graduates of a military academy if I remember it correctly.
At least it speaks volumes about the mood in the country I would say...
one sentence out of context by the man who didn't run Polish diplomacy or government prove exactly nothing.
Well...he said that at a ceremony of graduates of a military academy if I remember it correctly.
At least it speaks volumes about the mood in the country I would say...
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jan 2010
History / Yalta Conference and Poland [78]
Well...it throws a light at the tensed relationships between our states then (and typical polish overestimation).
Poland was geared up for a fight as was Germany...plus Poland counted on France and GB to get her nuts out of the fire should Germany prove to be to much!
If I were mean I would say that after all you DID fight on Stalins side and helped him win..but I won't! ;)
This quote floates around
Well...it throws a light at the tensed relationships between our states then (and typical polish overestimation).
Poland was geared up for a fight as was Germany...plus Poland counted on France and GB to get her nuts out of the fire should Germany prove to be to much!
Yeah, we brought communism on ourselves.
If I were mean I would say that after all you DID fight on Stalins side and helped him win..but I won't! ;)
Bratwurst Boy
17 Jan 2010
Bratwurst Boy
12 Jan 2010
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]
Here is something in german:
familie-greve.de/modules.php?op=modload&name=lexikon&file=index&id=6&val=n
"Neitzke stems from middlegerman/slavic Nikolaus"
Here is something in german:
familie-greve.de/modules.php?op=modload&name=lexikon&file=index&id=6&val=n
Neitzke ist ein Patronym (ostmitteldeutsch/slawisch) abgeleitet vom Rufnamen Nikolaus.
"Neitzke stems from middlegerman/slavic Nikolaus"
Bratwurst Boy
8 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Neugebauer surname in Poland / Nestor, Zurawel, Worobec, Atamanczuk in Galicia Poland [27]
Read the link above...it's quite interesting...
Read the link above...it's quite interesting...
Bratwurst Boy
8 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Neugebauer surname in Poland / Nestor, Zurawel, Worobec, Atamanczuk in Galicia Poland [27]
Probably a mix...married into non-jewish new farmers (some centuries back)! ;)
Not all "-steins" for example are purely jewish nowadays either...
No it wasn't!
As during the middle ages second names were needed to differentiate between the people, professions, characteristics or origins and locations were used...not randomly assigned.
About the origin of jewish names:
I also know a guy in college who has the last name Neugebauer and he's Jewish.
Probably a mix...married into non-jewish new farmers (some centuries back)! ;)
Not all "-steins" for example are purely jewish nowadays either...
It doesn't mean that Jews farmed.
No it wasn't!
As during the middle ages second names were needed to differentiate between the people, professions, characteristics or origins and locations were used...not randomly assigned.
About the origin of jewish names:
Bratwurst Boy
8 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Neugebauer surname in Poland / Nestor, Zurawel, Worobec, Atamanczuk in Galicia Poland [27]
It's not a jewish name....Jews weren't farmers...I don't know any Jew with the name of Neubauer/Neugebauer.
What makes you say "unwelcome"?
The name just states a fact: "neuer Bauer (new farmer) - Neubauer/Neugebauer"
noz.de/lokales/osnabrueck/artikel/318085/ein-nee-ist-kein-nein-name-bezeichnet-neuling
Neubauer Standes- oder Berufsname für den neu angesiedelten Bauern
It's not a jewish name....Jews weren't farmers...I don't know any Jew with the name of Neubauer/Neugebauer.
NEUGEBAUER: German or Yiddish (Askhenazy) name for a (largely unwelcome) new settler, newcomer or outsider.
What makes you say "unwelcome"?
The name just states a fact: "neuer Bauer (new farmer) - Neubauer/Neugebauer"
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Jemand, der als neuer Bürger in eine Gemeinschaft hineinkam, ein Neuling, Neuankömmling, konnte einen Beinamen erhalten, der auf diesen Umstand Bezug nahm. Eine sehr große Zahl von Familiennamen ist so entstanden, die einfachste Namensform ist Neu, mundartlich Ney, Nigge, Naue, auch Neue und Neuer gehören dazu.
Jemand, der als neuer Bürger in eine Gemeinschaft hineinkam, ein Neuling, Neuankömmling, konnte einen Beinamen erhalten, der auf diesen Umstand Bezug nahm. Eine sehr große Zahl von Familiennamen ist so entstanden, die einfachste Namensform ist Neu, mundartlich Ney, Nigge, Naue, auch Neue und Neuer gehören dazu.
noz.de/lokales/osnabrueck/artikel/318085/ein-nee-ist-kein-nein-name-bezeichnet-neuling
Bratwurst Boy
4 Jan 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]
No he wasn't.
In the end he was the reason for the defeat of Germany and for the now ruling political correctness and all that multi-kulti ideology.
In the end he destroyed everything...good ideas or not!
No he wasn't.
In the end he was the reason for the defeat of Germany and for the now ruling political correctness and all that multi-kulti ideology.
In the end he destroyed everything...good ideas or not!
Bratwurst Boy
4 Jan 2010
Bratwurst Boy
3 Jan 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]
:)
youtube.com/watch?v=j617mImHVvk
That with the Anglo-Saxon invasions is old news, also that England means "land of the Angles", also that English is a germanic language...only the genetic findings were abit of a surprise!
A more reliable source?:)
:)
youtube.com/watch?v=j617mImHVvk
That with the Anglo-Saxon invasions is old news, also that England means "land of the Angles", also that English is a germanic language...only the genetic findings were abit of a surprise!
Bratwurst Boy
3 Jan 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]
Just read the wiki entry about England...it's all about germanic tribes...
/wiki/England
...and so on.
They have germanic names, germanic genes, germanic language ...what more do you want? ;)
Once the article made an estimate that between 10k and 200k Saxons emigrated from Germany i stopped treating it seriously.
Just read the wiki entry about England...it's all about germanic tribes...
/wiki/England
he name "England" is derived from the Old English word Englaland, which means "land of the Angles". The Angles were one of the Germanic tribes that settled in England during the Early Middle Ages.
English is a West Germanic language that developed in England during the Anglo-Saxon era.
...and so on.
They have germanic names, germanic genes, germanic language ...what more do you want? ;)
Bratwurst Boy
3 Jan 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]
As I see a declining population as a good thing if we want to secure our survival long term (there IS a limit about how many people this Earth can bear you know) I will do my duty and obstain from baby making....I think...
;)
What is wrong with just the border region becoming as mixed as it once was? Do you have to "replace the whole german population" to feel better?
But BB, Germany's population growth is said to be declining.
BB, you need to have some babies, fast! :)
BB, you need to have some babies, fast! :)
As I see a declining population as a good thing if we want to secure our survival long term (there IS a limit about how many people this Earth can bear you know) I will do my duty and obstain from baby making....I think...
;)
Polish settlers replace the aging locals.
What is wrong with just the border region becoming as mixed as it once was? Do you have to "replace the whole german population" to feel better?
Bratwurst Boy
3 Jan 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]
Just stop this **** talk about "failed", especially as a future Israeli...it sounds ridiculous coming from you!
Our border region is naturally mixed...it returns to their former, natural state...a good thing if you ask me. :)
Heh:)
dailymail.
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Just stop this **** talk about "failed", especially as a future Israeli...it sounds ridiculous coming from you!
You know all the talk about "Germans buying out Poland"? Well by now more then 2/3rds of German border settlements have a Polish minorities, more then 20% have a Polish majority, there's Polish schools, Polish kindergardens, Polish road signs, Polish shops etc its like little Poland except its up to 60km deep into German territory.
Our border region is naturally mixed...it returns to their former, natural state...a good thing if you ask me. :)
So all those Celts suddenly became Germanic? Because UK is predominantly Celtic, both Saxon and Norman invasions were a minority unless we're counting someone having a Norman
Heh:)
dailymail.
We're all Germans! (and we have been for 1,600 years)
New research has found that the Anglo-Saxon invasion of Britain from the continent 1,600 years ago was so successful that native characteristics were virtually wiped out.
And as a result experts say this has left England with a population made up largely of Germanic genes and with a language that owes much to our Anglo-Saxon invaders.
The new study explains that the majority of original British genes were wiped out in favour of German ones through a system of apartheid set up by the invaders. This allowed the Anglo-Saxons to out-breed the Brits and our country became 'Germanised.'
And as a result experts say this has left England with a population made up largely of Germanic genes and with a language that owes much to our Anglo-Saxon invaders.
The new study explains that the majority of original British genes were wiped out in favour of German ones through a system of apartheid set up by the invaders. This allowed the Anglo-Saxons to out-breed the Brits and our country became 'Germanised.'
!
Bratwurst Boy
3 Jan 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]
Do you have problem with that?
ROFL
Who of us should start sooner? A German in Germany or a Jew in Israel??? What's your quote now? 30 percent? And rising...
Funny kid! :):):)
Yeah...you will win so long till you are gone...you are f'ucked either with a 2 state solution, even tinier than now or with a one state solution helplessly watching on as the Palis outbreed you...or perpetual war and losing the interest and help of the world in the process...isolated you won't survive one year...the ultimate FAILED!
Why aren't you more concerned with your own bleak and dreary future than to tell other SUCCESSFUL countries how they are about to "fail"...man you are one idiot!
Maybe they won't talk about that with you because you are an a*ss!
I for one want to kick you all the time instead of talking with you about Germany...
Well...you will experience it soon enough...I give Israel only 20, 25 years more...maximum!
And we Germans will watch your death struggle (winning till to the end of course) in Germany...still successfull and respected!
Lol at Germanics being proud.
Do you have problem with that?
Start learning Arabic
ROFL
Who of us should start sooner? A German in Germany or a Jew in Israel??? What's your quote now? 30 percent? And rising...
Funny kid! :):):)
At least Israel won its wars LOL
Yeah...you will win so long till you are gone...you are f'ucked either with a 2 state solution, even tinier than now or with a one state solution helplessly watching on as the Palis outbreed you...or perpetual war and losing the interest and help of the world in the process...isolated you won't survive one year...the ultimate FAILED!
Why aren't you more concerned with your own bleak and dreary future than to tell other SUCCESSFUL countries how they are about to "fail"...man you are one idiot!
No, it's just that after 3 years in Germany and knowing many Germans, I only know 3 that are truly proud of being German.
Maybe they won't talk about that with you because you are an a*ss!
I for one want to kick you all the time instead of talking with you about Germany...
I didn't understand this sentence.
Well...you will experience it soon enough...I give Israel only 20, 25 years more...maximum!
And we Germans will watch your death struggle (winning till to the end of course) in Germany...still successfull and respected!
Bratwurst Boy
3 Jan 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]
Germany is a nationstate, and this concept is fairly new and will vanish in the future again in the process of european unification...what will stay are the 3 big proud european tribes, the Celts, the Slavs and the Germanics.
We were already successful for more than 2 millennia...and will stay so.
But still your stinking talk of Germany "failing" starts to grate on my nerves...compare your own shithole Argentina or your future shithole Israel with the success story of Germany and shut your mouth already!
England and most of the US troops for sure...:)
Take that to those who made this survey....they have all the numbers! ;)
As I remember it was about that, the ethnical heritage of the Americans...
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I talked about the destiny of Germany, not of Germanic people altogether.
Germany is a nationstate, and this concept is fairly new and will vanish in the future again in the process of european unification...what will stay are the 3 big proud european tribes, the Celts, the Slavs and the Germanics.
We were already successful for more than 2 millennia...and will stay so.
But still your stinking talk of Germany "failing" starts to grate on my nerves...compare your own shithole Argentina or your future shithole Israel with the success story of Germany and shut your mouth already!
Oh please stop being such a blooy chauvinist, Russia, Poland, France, England, all of those are Germanic too?
England and most of the US troops for sure...:)
Last i checked ....So sorry counting someone with a distant relative as Germanic is almost as much of a stretch as the article you quote.
Take that to those who made this survey....they have all the numbers! ;)
As I remember it was about that, the ethnical heritage of the Americans...
In Germany you will allright, check out Polish-German border to have a reality check.
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Bratwurst Boy
3 Jan 2010
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2010
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]
Jonni said there aren't any Khazar's...I have no idea about that if I'm honest....
Jonni said there aren't any Khazar's...I have no idea about that if I'm honest....