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boletus   
6 Jun 2011
Language / Polish verbs are confusing/I get many results when I look them up in an online dictionary [54]

^^
Surprise, surprise! :-)
seminomadic - 1,420,000 Google entries
semisedentary - 267,000 Google entries
(The results vary - depending on how you spell those words: with hyphen, or as two words)

...Indeed, these peoples and the Europeans tended to have more in common with each other than either had with other peoples indigenous to the Americas. Another type of indigenous peoples may be called semisedentary. They lacked the permanent-site agriculture and the fixed borders of the sedentary peoples and were apparently far less numerous, but they had shifting agriculture and sizable, if...

britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/534141/semisedentary-society

Semi-Sedentary Villages - Baka Pygmies

pygmies.org/baka/villages.asp

In Polish: półosiadÅ‚y - «niezupeÅ‚nie osiadÅ‚y, częściowo koczowniczy».
boletus   
25 May 2011
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

Alexander the Great was the Greek Hellenic King of Macedon.

For when Alexandros(*) chose to compete in the games and entered the list to do so, his Greek competitors tried to exclude him by claiming that the contest was for Greek contestants only, and barbarians were not allowed to participate. But when Alexandros proved that his was of Argive ancestry, he was judged to be a Hellene, and proceed to compete in a footrace, in which he tied in the first place.

(5.22, The Landamark Herodotus, The Histories, edited by Robert R. Strassler)

But it only suggests the Greek's ancestry of the Alexandros line. Macedonians as a whole were considered barbarians by Greeks. Additionally they "medized" with Persians, an later intermarried with them. Alexandros I played both sides in the Greek-Persian wars.

(**) Alexandros the Great:

In an attempt to craft a lasting harmony between his Macedonian and Persian subjects, he held a mass marriage of his senior officers to Persian and other noblewomen at Susa, but few of those marriages seem to have lasted much beyond a year.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_I_of_Macedon

(* )Alexandros son of Amyntas (Alexander I of Macedonia c. 498-454 BC)
(**)Alexandros son of Philip II (Alexander III the Great c. 356-323 BC)
boletus   
23 May 2011
Life / The Legacy of Polish Poster design [36]

I am sure most of us know of the works of Rafał Olbiński. It would be simply unfair not to mention him here. Amazing art.

Poetic humor is a quality rarely found in the fine arts. Rafal Olbinski has this gift. He wants to show us that our imagination is a magical world which we are recreating forever. He draws us into a different universe, and forces us to use our eyes to participate in a marvelous world which is the true dimension of dreams.

Rafal Olbinski is a surrealist artist, who has become world famous for his posters and designs.
Rafal was born in Poland, and originally trained as an architect in Warsaw. In 1981 he emigrated to the US, where he worked as a painter, illustrator and designer.

tendreams.org/olbinski.htm
patinae.com/olbinski.htm

The Polish Way | Poland's own art

The Embassy of Poland in Delhi is exhibiting select works of poster art from the 1960's to the present. The exhibition, "Polish School of Poster Art" was inaugurated on 24 May and will be open until 30 May.

livemint.com/2011/05/25224625/The-Polish-Way--Poland8217.html

Short video included
boletus   
21 May 2011
Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1442]

A hot summer approaches. It's time for some nice fruit soups. Oh those memories of morello cherry soup, plum soup, blueberry soup...

Soup of the hawthorn - for 6 people. Take three quarters of a liter of dried hawthorn, pour some water to cover the hawthorn, add a roll, cook until mashed, squeeze it through fine filter until only the husks are left. Take half a bottle of wine, 100 grams of sugar, a little bit of cinnamon, add some water, dilute the mash, and bring it to a boil. Serve with biscuits or rusks.

Wild strawberries in milk. Dress and rinse wild strawberries, leave them in colander until dry, place them in a vase adding layers of sugar and pour the milk. Whip the pint of sour cream with sugar until frothy and add it to the soup.
boletus   
20 May 2011
Life / The Legacy of Polish Poster design [36]

Des Essientes

The quality of the graphic design on all of them was superb, as was the creativity they displayed.

Polish posters of 60's were given complete artistic freedom: communist censorship did not bother with them and no big movie corporations pushed their ideas of promotion on them.

Poles strongly identified, not with the cowboys of the movies, but with the indians.

This is probably due to the influence of that German guy "Karol May" and his 'Winnetou". :-)

You might also want to check this: samsmyth.blogspot.com/2011/04/1000-polish-book-covers.html

Just when I thought I had seen it all at the outer limits of the Polish poster, I discover Polish book covers. Fans of Polish art and design have until now relied on fantastic posts at sites like 50 Watts to get their fix. I'm now aware that many of them can be found in a hardback book, curated by Aleksandra and Daniel Mizieliński and entitled One Thousand Polish Book Covers, which seems to be the definitive tome on this incredibly deep and diverse visual world.
boletus   
20 May 2011
Life / The Legacy of Polish Poster design [36]

Smashing text, smashing images, in Smashing Magazine. This excellent story is by Andrea Austoni - an Italian freelance graphic designer currently living in Krakow, Poland. He specializes in icon design and illustration. Several good links to museums and galleries provided.

Before the era of globalized entertainment made movie posters look the same in every country, Polish artists were creating their own versions for the internal market. What resulted was a whole school of artists trained in the art of the poster. This article presents a short historical look at how this movement was born and how it developed, from its art-related beginnings at the end of the 19th Century to the golden era of the film posters throughout the 20th Century.

The article describes several periods of the Polish Poster School:
1. The Beginnings
2. Stefan Norblin and the Touristic Poster
3. Tadeusz Gronowski: Father of the Polish Poster
4. The Warsaw Architects
5. Propaganda Posters
6. The 50's and the 60's: The Golden Age
7. The 70's and the 80's: Decadence and Death

Smashing Magazine
boletus   
17 May 2011
Genealogy / Family name Morwitch (Anglicised) [9]

Boletus, that was me a while ago. I had no success running down the leads kindly given to me in that forum.

I knew it, I was a bit sardonic in my last post.

I think it is only fair to disclose all information you have before asking people to get involved in any investigative work on your behalf. You did not do it. You kept it secret - either by design or by ignorance - even though the other forum provided you with quite a lot of useful findings. But not disclosing those facts you demonstrated an attitude that I consider antisocial. People are willing to help, but their time does not come for free, so you should take care of informing them about all alleys already explored - before they start wasting their time on those.

Having said that, I am still willing to give you a little help. The task of reverse engineering of the origin of Morwitch name is quite daunting for several reasons. Others have already given you some examples of possible names of Jews living in Kraków, Krakau - a part of Austro-Hungarian Empire at those times. The original root of Jewish surnames - quite a late invention, forced by administrative authorities - could come from many sources (check it in wikipedia), such as geographical names, professions or standard Jewish first names. I am by no means an expert in these matters but my hunch is that your family name could originate from one of many forms of MAER-, MAIR-, MAJR-, MEIR-, MEIR-, MAR- etc. Spellings are different but they all mean the same. The surname could be formed by adding any form of ending of the type "son of": -ICZ, -ITCH, -ITZ, -ETZ. Hence MAJROWICZ, MAREWICZ, MEIROWICZ, MEIROWITZ for example. But this is just a huge guess here.

I have no time to do other investigative work for you, but you obviously have such time and a motivation. So I suggest the following. Go to the "Consolidate Jewish surname index", avotaynu.com/csi/csi-home.htm type one of possible candidates for the original name, such as MORWITZ and then wait for the response. You will be given pages and pages of candidates, such as those I have shown above, with soundex code and database name. You have to learn what those database names actually mean. I guess "P" could stand for Poland, but I never read any "help" for that search engine, so this is only my guess.

Having collected all that information, you would need to start an elimination process, to narrow down possible candidates, reject names from Italy, etc.

At the bottom of the web page shown above there are dozens of links you may find more useful or specific in your search. For example, there is a link to "Jewish record indexing - Poland".

Good luck.
boletus   
16 May 2011
Life / Do you find any humour in Polish Highlanders' stories? [24]

An old gazda sits on a rock at the Morskie Oko lake in Tatras. Two tourists chat with him for a while and, to their surprise, he tells them that he uses an unconventional method to fish for trouts:

- Trouts are caught on a mirror.
- In what way?
- It's my secret. But if you buy me a bottle then I share it with you.
The tourists just happen to carry one with them, as a "cold remedy". So they dig it out of their packsack and handle it to gazda. He explains ...

- I put the mirror into the water, and when the trout swims in and begins to look in the mirror, I take a stone and I whack him over the head…

- Interesting ... And how many of those trouts have you caught ?
- Not one yet, but I usually get five bottles a day ...
boletus   
16 May 2011
Genealogy / Family name Morwitch (Anglicised) [9]

Cpt. Moonlight

I would greatly appreciate any help you can offer.

Oh, look, I just found something for you - plus about two pages of responses from useful suckers..

Family MORWITCH
G'day fellow researchers. I have a stumbling block and I'm hoping someone can help.

I believe that our family name MORWITCH was changed as it crossed Europe or the English Channel. I cannot find where my paternal ancestors crossed from Europe to England. I do not know whether they crossed as a family or as individuals. All four boys I believe were born in Krakow Austria. Certainly one of them was - Samuel.

Jacob Abraham MORWITCH and Rachel had 4 sons - Samuel b. 1826, Abraham b. 1830, Henry b. 1831, and Lyons b. 1839. The brothers emigrated from Europe to England sometime between Henry's birth in 1831 and the first appearance of Abraham in England in 1850. I have not found parents Jacob Abraham or Rachel in England to date.

I am isolated from many sources by a lack of a subscription, or distance. I would deeply appreciate any help that might allow me to identify our original family name and point of crossing to England.

Scott
Brisbane, Qld, Aus.

familytreeforum.com/showthread.php/78813-Family-MORWITCH
boletus   
16 May 2011
Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]

Original posters
albumpolski.pl/index.php?act=view&ktg=46&idt=267

Modified posters
albumpolski.pl/artykul/POLSKA-NA-WESOLO:-Plakaty-z-tamtych-lat--dzis/46/1207


  • Greetings to women working for peace and prosperity of the motherland!
boletus   
15 May 2011
Life / Do you find any humour in Polish Highlanders' stories? [24]

An exalted woman tourist says to a highlander:
- You must be happy living here .. witnessing a marriage of clouds with mountain peaks, the greenery of meadows covered by blooming crocuses, the mysterious charm of sun rays drying up the morning dew…

- Oh, yes, I used to witness it all the time - interrupts the highlander - but I do not drink anymore.
boletus   
15 May 2011
Life / Do you find any humour in Polish Highlanders' stories? [24]

Thanks for sharing.

You are welcome. :-)

Two young shepherds, walking one day through a forest, noticed a big stone on which it was written: "If you have a human heart, please turn me around". They set to work and with much sweat and effort they finally managed to turn it around - only to find the following inscription on its other side: "I thank you very, very much - those bedsores have been killing me."
boletus   
14 May 2011
Life / Do you find any humour in Polish Highlanders' stories? [24]

Not really a highlander joke, but geographically close enough:
A church orchestra in Upper Silesia. The conductor asks:
- Cembalisten fertig? 
- Ja, ja natürlich.

- Posaune fertig? 
- Ja.

- Trompete fertig? 
- Ja. 

- Also, eins, zwei, drei: 
- "Boże, coÅ› PolskÄ™..." ("God Save Poland …")
boletus   
14 May 2011
Life / Do you find any humour in Polish Highlanders' stories? [24]

Do you find any humour in Polish Highlanders' stories?

Telling jokes on a large scale had long ceased to entertain me. But I always appreciate a good highlanders' joke, even an old one. I like the ones about a battle of wits between simple folks from Tatra Mountains and smart aleck city boys, known as trekkers or tourists. The other type of highlanders' jokes, which reverses the stereotype and present the "górale" as simplistic brutes with ferocious sexual appetites, do not please me that much, although I have to admit that some of them are also funny.

I wonder if expats see any humour in such stories. Lyzko translated one quite humourosly in some other thread

Baca, look! Such a lovely view!
Yeah, if only those (silly) mountains didn't get in the way!

and that prompted me to start this thread.

A small dictionary:
gazda = an owner of a farm in Podhale, the foothills of Tatra Mountains
baca = a head shepherd in Polish Karpatians contracting his services to a group of gazdas for the pasturage of sheep in high meadows for the summer season.

juhas = a junior shepherd, working for baca.
ceper = irreverent and ironic term used by the Highlanders for the tourists coming from the Polish lowland areas.
gazda, baca, juhas are not Polish words. They have their roots in Wallachian culture.

Few samples of highlanders jokes are attached.

A gazda sits on a porch of his hut, smokes a pipe and enjoys a quiet evening. A trekker approaches.
- Hello gazda, what are you doing?
- Well, I am just sitting and thinking.
- Do you always do that?
- No, only when I have time.
- And, if you have no time?
- Then I just sit.

A trekker who has been lost in the Tatra Mountains suddenly sees a shepherd approaching, with a little lamb over his shoulders.
- Hello good man, where is Kościeliska Valley? - asks the trekker.
- Hold on to this lamb, sir - says the shepherd.
The trekker takes the lamb, the shepherd throws his hands up in the air and says:
- I have no idea.

A little conversation of a cocky trekker with a baca:
- Baco, what do you do to stop wolves from steeling sheep from your flock?
- Well, I have taught my sheep many tricks…
- What kind of tricks?
- I taught them that the moment they sense a wolf they should start leaping around the meadow like the kangaroos. It took me a year to teach them this trick.

- What an original idea ...
- Then they would make a huge pile by climbing on each other backs. It took me two years of training..
- Fantastic!
- Then this clever little one on the very top of the pile should strike one hoof against another to produce a spray of sparks.
- Unbelievable! And does it work?
- I do not know that since there are no wolves in these here forests.
[This joke is somewhat similar to the silly "Three legged chicken" joke]

A trekker follows a tourist trail when he suddenly hears:
- Jesuuuus! Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, oh my little Jesus!!
He runs, looks around and sees a shepherd sitting on a tree stump, next to a pocketed ax:
- Oh, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!
Trekker:
- Baco! Baco what happened to you?
Baca:
- To me? Nothing. Oh, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!
- Or maybe someone in your family?
- My family? No. Oh, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, oh my little Jesus!
- Well, so what is this lament about?
- Oh, Jesus, how much I do not want to work today!
boletus   
12 May 2011
Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]

biological and psychological difference between genders

I can definitely attest to that. In my former incarnation I was involved with vibration control and I studied impact of noise and vibration on human health. The obvious suspects are pneumatic tools, which cause a lot of nerve and blood vessel problems. A lesser known fact is that driving tractors and other heavy equipment may cause a spine damage. Women suffer more than men because of their different constitution. Swedes were conducting medical research of this sort in early 1960s. They have proved, without the doubt, that the "happy woman tractor driver", as you could see in some communist posters, is an endangered specie.

I have no time to search for such articles now, but I found something related:"Women's Driving Posture: An Overlooked Health Issue", by Dennis Zacharkow, PT, yogaback.com/The_YogaBack_for_Driving/Women_s_Health_Concerns/women_s_health_concerns.html. It contains the references to other interesting articles, such as "Behaviour of the spine under shock and vibration: a review", and dozens more.

Study it, ItsAllAboutME - it may save your health.

And yes, I can also attest to the fact that my female colleagues and I were receiving exactly the same meagre salary, after being accepted for the glamorous positions of junior assistants at some institute of some university in PRL. You know such things by standing in line to the cashier window every month and signing up for the cash received.
boletus   
7 May 2011
History / Where did the power of Poland vanish to, since... let`s say, some 300 years ago? [180]

the second or third european university was built in Poland and so on and so forth.

Well, I would not claim that much, because:
Main School of Kraków (later Kraków Academy, and then Jagiellonian University) was established in 1364 but it quickly went down in 1370, after the death of Casimir III the Great, only to recover in the year 1400. So, depending on which year we take as its origin, it is either the 17th or the 20th oldest university in Europe. Poles like to brag that it is the second oldest one in Central Europe, after the Charles University in Prague (1348). University of Vienna (1365) is also from Central Europe, isn't it?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_universities_in_continuous_operation

The first artillery book Artis Magnae Artilleriae pars prima was written by a Pole and remained the basic such book for 200 years

The author of Artis Magnae Artilleriae, Kazimierz Siemienowicz, was indeed a citizen of the Commonwealth, but he was more likely a Lithuanian/Belarusian than a Pole. And I do not think the Artis Magnae Artilleriae was the first artillery book ever written - it was just a very good book, translated into several languages. There were many artillery books written before, especially in Italian.

For example, Andrew Della-Aqua, a Venetian, a self-taught swindler and impostor, with no clue about geometry and mathematics, wrote two books about artillery: "About the Assembly and School of Gunners of His Majesty the King Zigmunt III" (printed in 1623) and "Praxis ręczna działa" (A manual operation of a gun) [manuscript only, 1637]. And he was handsomely paid for them.

You can read about it in "Historya Artyleryi Polskiej" (History of Polish Artillery) by Konstanty Górski, Warsaw 1902. (available on line from the Digital Library of Wielkopolska.

Górski leaves no shade of the doubt that Della-Aqua, although an apparent erudite, had only a superficial knowledge of the subject. His many illustrations and explanations in his manual seem to be a result of compilation of fragments taken out of context from some Venetian artillery books - combined with his own fuzzy and nonsensical explanations.

Poland between XV and XVII centuries developed tactics which shaped european warfare much in the same way as later Sweden would, the innovative tactics and strategy, the use of artillery and fortified mobile camps, gun teams, stormtroopers et cetera.

Poland indeed may lay claim to some innovative military tactics, strategy and commanders:
Hetman Jan Tarnowski, Krzysztof Arciszewski, Kazimierz Siemionowicz, generals Przyjemski, Krzysztof Grodzicki, etc.

But those were the times where everyone was borrowing words, technology and commanders. Just to name a few:
- "cejgwart" (from German word "Zeugwart" - a commander of gunners and of an arsenal
- "cekauz" or "cekhauz" (from German "Zeughaus" - combination of "Zeug" (fabric, cloth, tool, equipment, weaponry) and "Haus" (house))

- taraśnica (Czech: tarasnica, German: Tarasbüchse, trestle-gun)
- hufnica (Czech: houfnica, proto howitzer)
- Fromhold Wolf von Ludinghausen, general of artillery, served under Wladyslaw IV
- Patrick Gordon, a Scottish mercenary, serving in Sweden, Poland and Russia

The latter two are mentioned in a historical article in the weekly 'Polityka' - nr 42, October 16, 2010: Jerzy Besala, 'Seven weeks of brawl'.

"In fall of 1660 the Polish armies [29 thousands of Polish soldiers, supported by 15-20 thousands of Tartars] met with the superior forces of Moscow [33,000] and Cossacks [20,000 of Dnieper Cossacks plus 40,000 Cossacks led by Jerzy Chmielnicki - the son of the famous Bohdan]. The decisive battle took place at Cudnów (today's Ukraine).'

"Crossing the muddy river Hniłopiat has become a problem for the Polish division. But then the dragoons of the Lieutenant Patrick Gordon, and the Tartars went into action under the protection of the artillery fire - driving away the Cossack defenders of the river crossing."

"The uphill attack, under the hail of Cossack bullets, was very risky but it paid off amply. The dragoons of the Lieutenant Gordon broke in first, followed by the infantry and the units of cavalry."

"The Russian army has been pushed against the woods and then shelled by the artillery of general Fromhold de Ludinghausen Wolff."
boletus   
6 May 2011
History / Where did the power of Poland vanish to, since... let`s say, some 300 years ago? [180]

So, what could be main reasons for weakening of Polish state?

Sarmatism was definitely part of it...

Here is a nice article "Sarmatism: A Dream of Power" with few nice pictures and interview by Nick Hodge for Kraków Post,

krakowpost.com/article/1940

I like this fragment:
KP: Minister Sikorski suggested last year that the kontusz [Sarmatian dress] should be reinstated as national dress for Polish diplomats at galas and festive occasions. Do you think that this is commendable idea?

BB-S: This is a commendable idea - all the members of parliament could attire themselves in this fashion, and line up on display in Krakow, so we could see how it works. Speaking seriously though, for special occasions, yes. Well-sown garments and well-composed colours could create a sensation. But after all, if you wear such garb then noblesse oblige....


Sarmatism: A Dream of Power (Sarmatyzm: Sen o Potędze) runs until 30th May at the Stanisław Wyspiański Museum in the Szołayski House, ul. Szczepańska 11.
boletus   
6 May 2011
Life / Polish authors, books & literature. [95]

The General Langfitt Story

Polish Refugees Recount Their Experiences of Exile, Dispersal and Resettlement



By Maryon Allbrook and Helen Cattalini

ISBN 0 644 35781 9
First Published 1995
Available on line here: immi.gov.au/media/publications/refugee/langfitt/

From the introduction:
The General Langfitt Story combines excellently the extraordinary background account of a group of displaced persons, mainly women and children, from Poland who arrived in Australia in 1950, and their subsequent experience in Australia.

and from the chapter 1:
They were a part of the 1500 000 Poles who were deported to the Soviet Union in 1940 to work in remote labour camps. Around 30 000 of them later found 'freedom' in transit camps in India, British East Africa and Palestine. Their story of hardship and survival is a dramatic and remarkable one.
boletus   
3 May 2011
Life / Polish authors, books & literature. [95]

I just discovered the webpage which is devoted to Polish political prisoners in Ravensbruck concentration camp for women. [My great aunt, a teacher, was sent there in 1939. She survived and continued teaching until late 1970s.]

individual.utoronto.ca/jarekg/Ravensbruck/index.html

The owner of the webpage, Jarek Gajewski, translated several poems by Grażyna Chrostowska, one of the prisoners.

Grażyna Chrostowska was born on 21st October, 1921 in Lublin, in Poland. She was a member of the underground KOP (Komenda Obrońców Polski) organization during the Nazi Germany occupation of Poland. She was arrested by Gestapo in Lublin on 8th May, 1941. Together with her sister she was sent to the Ravensbrück Concentration Camp on 23rd September, 1941. On 18th April, 1942, Grażyna Chrostowska and her sister were executed by firing squad in the camp. 8 hours before her death, she wrote the poem titled "Inquietude" (Niepokój).

THE INQUIETUDE (Niepokój)

boletus   
29 Apr 2011
Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1442]

Why are you presenting leaves? Someone may wrongly think they are the main ingredient of "Polish mustard."

Because it occurred to me that most people have no clue how the foliage of horseradish plant looks like. If my childhood memory does not play any tricks the horseradish leaves were much longer than those shown on the picture - 50 cm, or so.

But OK, here are the roots of horseradish plant. Before the days of the modern mechanical kitchen gadgets grating the roots was a job for men (or boys) - quite a physical exercise, with plenty of tears flowing.

What about today?

Actually the picture of "półgęsek" was taken from a web page of some food shipping company in Poland. Easy to find via google - just type "półgęsek". All customer comments I saw on that page were very positive (five stars), although one customer was not happy about the price rising from 66 zł/kg to 92zł/kg. Apparently this was typical supply and demand issue before Easter, and the company was hoping that their costs - as well as prices - would go down after Easter.


  • Roots of the horseradish plant
boletus   
29 Apr 2011
Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1442]

The luxurious and the plain vanilla

Półgęsek, goose breast, "half-goose thingie"

It was a popular dish in traditional Polish cuisine. It is prepared from deboned goose breast. The skin is first marinated in herbs and spices. The meat plus skin are then either baked or smoked first, then baked. This used to be treated as a rather luxurious dish, usually eaten in manors. It can be served warm, straight from the oven, or served cold thinly sliced.

It can be accompanied by various sauces, such as cranberry sauce; raspberry dressing with Hungarian Tokaji and roasted almonds; creamy horseradish sauce - mixed with grated almonds and other ingredients, etc.

By the way, horseradish sauce used to be called by the French in the nineteenth century, "the Polish mustard."


  • Baked "pó³gêsek"

  • Leaves of horseradish
boletus   
29 Apr 2011
Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1442]

"Barszcz zwyczajny"

In medieval Europe, pickled young shoots and leaves of this herb used to be a basis for a sour soup, called "barszcz" in Polish. So historically "barszcz" was green, not red.

Young shoots are used today as an ingredient in salads and cooked like spinach. Brew of the herb resembles broth in flavor.

Not to be confused with one of two most poisonous herbs belonging to the same family Apiaceae. In Poland two such herbs are commonly known as "cykuta":

Cikuta virosa - "szalej jadowity" (water hemlock)
Conium maculatum - "szczwół plamisty" (poison hemlock)

Socrates, after being sentenced to death, voluntarily drank the hemlock in prison, in company of friends. Literary tradition speaks of drinking the water hemlock, but the symptoms are indicative of the the reaction to the poison hemlock.


  • Barszcz zwyczajny, Heracleum sphondylium
boletus   
29 Apr 2011
Life / Polish authors, books & literature. [95]

Here is a link to an English translation of his book Beasts, Men and Gods.

I actually picked up the online book you recommended from the Gutenberg project. Reading it - with Google maps handy - has been fun to some point, when I started doubting authenticity of the events he describes. I had this sinking feeling of déjà vu: many years ago I was being similarly entertained by S. Rawicz's book, "The long walk" - up to the point where he described his encounter with yeti and which prompted me to carefully scrutinize the book and discover some other nonsense or publicly known facts which were claimed by Rawicz as his unique experience.

So I looked around and I found this project: "In search of the Ja Lama, The Life and Death of Dambijantsan", Don Croner, dambijantsan.doncroner.com.

In the draft of the first chapter Croner describes his initial fascination by the Ossendowski's "Beasts, Men and Gods" and he quotes long passages from that book, especially related to Tuyshegoun Lama, a.k.a. Dambijantsan, Dambijaltsan, Dambija, Ja Lama, Ja Bagsh, Khoyor Temeet Lam, False Lama, Chia Lama, Avenger Lama, etc. - a future hero of the Croner's book.

According to Croner, "Beasts, Men and Gods" had received rave reviews upon its publication in 1922.

The English language version went into twenty-two printings in 1922 alone, selling some 300,000 copies, and the book eventually translated into a dozen or more languages, becoming international best-seller.

Given the book's high profile and sensational content, however, it is not surprising that detractors soon appeared ... historians, explorers, and travellers who were more familiar with Mongolia found much in the book that was incorrect or simply unbelievable.

After about a page or so details of the book critiques he gets to this conclusion:
Confronted in Paris by a whole posse of European Tibetologists (sic!) and other scholars, he finally issued a statement admitting that <<this book of mine is not a scientific work but only the romantic story of my travel across Central Asia for the large public ... So -- my book Beasts, Men and Gods is exclusively a literary work, based on my observations in Central Asia.>>

Croner is even implying that the "observations" were actually "enhanced by a liberal sense of literary license."

So much for the facts. But the book is still a good read though.