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Bratwurst Boy   
22 Oct 2010
History / Poles in the Crusades to the Holy Land [75]

Where do you get the funny part from?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor#Third_Cru sade_and_death

...However, on 10 June 1190, Emperor Frederick drowned in the Saleph River as his army was approaching Antioch from Armenia; Arab historians report that his army had encamped before the river, and that the Emperor had gone to the river to drink and bathe, however, he forgot to take his armor off and he was carried away by the currents underwater and then he died. Some of Frederick's men put him in a barrel of vinegar to preserve his body.

Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

Well, not exactly BB.

Well, I don't think so too... ;)

Marek seems to think so!

Note that it is in the 13th-14th century when these crusades are called, and its exactly when this map seemed to be reproduced by the Vatican.

That's why it's great they found an even older copy in the Topkapi-palace in Istanbul...double proof is just better. :)

The populations of these regions were already so intermixed

Not at the beginning. The Slavs pushing westwards assimilated those germans who still lived there after most of them migrated south to Rome.
Even more mixing happened as the Germanics came back...since then it's a continous shoving back and for.

"here are the Germanics" and "here are the Sarmatians."

In the beginning there were surely clear borders between people of different traditions, language, culture...as today.
It was clear to Ptolemy and Tacitus. The border between our both people is still there even after 2000 years of mixing.

If they pushed Germanics back, or helped push them forward, is altogether a blur.

I agree it's never only black and white and more of a grey blur.
But its the Germans who were painted by the Slavs in the blackest colors, as the only agressors, for centuries...it's time to throw that one sided viewpoint into the bin! :)

Just think about how Poles justify the ethnical cleansing of millions of Germans..."re-taking originally polish lands"....Tja...that argument is now busted!
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

Well...most of the towns are still there... ;)

As I said...that map is a sensation and will pave the way for alot of archaeological and historical bruahaha...we can only sit back and enjoy the ride! :)

I for one can't wait what they will find...

PS: But don't act as if it would be totally news even to you that the Germanic tribes (coming from the North) where living in central Europe before the Slavs immigrated there from the East.

THAT one is a mainstream acknowledged historical fact, totally independent from Ptolemy...
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

But it could have too easily been fabricated/modified, what have you.

spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,720513,00.html

...
The essential question is whether the new data is accurate. Ptolemy's "Geography" is preserved only in duplication. The copy so far considered the most authentic is an edition produced around the year 1300 and kept by the Vatican.

But the team of experts in Berlin had the great fortune to be able to refer to a parchment tracked down at Topkapi Palace in Istanbul, Turkey, the former residence of the Ottoman sultans. The document, consisting of unbound sheepskin pages with writing in Roman capital letters, is the oldest edition of Ptolemy's work ever discovered. A reproduction of this version is due to be published next year.

Hard to fabricate...
Alot of people who must lie and two different copy's who say the same...another anti-polish conspiracy? ;)

a time when Germany was expanding into the east, towards *pagan* Poland and Lithuania Commonwealth. They also wanted to get into Prussia. And what better way to legitimize this great crusade to convert and destroy Slavic and Baltic people, than to claim that this land is ancient German land.

And here is the myth...Germans were pushed out before by the Slavs. The land into what they were "expanding" was german land before.

That is something that doesn't fit into the well known narrative of the nice, peaceful Slavs and the agressive Germans who always push eastwards into polish lands.

That's why this map is not openly accepted by some Poles.
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

We don't accept Ptolemy as a Greek.

Erm...he actually wasn't a Greek but a Roman with egyptian roots who wrote in Greek...
The Romans back than ruled cartography, having the whole roman Empire and stuff.

Ptolemy utilized mainly roman military intelligence....and that have been the best in the ancient times. :)

He was a confused Slav who got payed off by the Germanics to produce such a map. Can't say I don't admire the foresight!

:):):)

Yeah...we were just to smart!

just stop denying it you as Germans have a talent of stilling and falsifying documents that how you ended up with part of Poland and now you try to rob someone else.

We and the roman egyptians actually.

But in the end we never avoid any work and costs to **** our polish neighbours off...our most favourite spare time hobby! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

whatever that is even worse you Germans just took someone work and claim or fabricate untruth conclusion, shame on you.

Yeah...that's why we claim "Ptolemy's map" as "German map" !

Oh Marek, you get more ridiculous by the day...you guys get really desparate.
But that are only the beginning pains...it will get much worse...once the history books get
all their new stats and Ptolemy's map is mainstream knowledge...

Heh:)
Can't wait!
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

I have no idea where you went to school please stop spreading your propaganda.
maybe you can tell us how many books you read about Polish or German history.

Well, one thing is for sure...your children will learn a slightly changed/more real european history than you did!
Ptolemy's map changes alot of statistics and facts....

BB stop showing German map in German as some kind of proof.

Ptolemy wasn't a German!

Hmmm, I just 'found' an old map in my overstuffed "Lazy Boy" chair. Must be about 2000 years old; shows that pro-Germans originated in Ethiopia but slowly worked their way north by hijacking Egyptian boats and paying off Gypsies to row them.

And they hated Slavs and pushed them around for millennia, ja?
Try to publish this map on a slavic forum, they will lap it up!;)
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

The shapes here and there might be inaccurate but the river is clearly shown on the map.

igg.tu-berlin.de/1381

Nach unserem derzeitigen Kenntnisstand wird eine entzerrte Karte mit einer Genauigkeit - bis auf die Außenregionen - von ca. 6' ~ 10 km für die Punktlage aller antiken Orte erwartet; deren moderne geographische Koordinaten werden in einer Datei aufgelistet (digitale Karte). Ergänzt werden zur besseren Übersicht die digitalen Karten durch einen "Entzerrter Ptolemaios-Atlas der Oikumene", in dem auf je zwei korrespondierenden Karten die Orte und Ortsnamen des Ptolemaios wie die ihnen entsprechenden modernen Städte/Ruinenstätten graphisch dargestellt werden.

Meaning they expect a straightened map with an accuracy of 6 to 10 km for all ancient settlements.

(The scientists worked 6 years on that map to straighten it out, to "hack the code"....if they just wanted to fool the Poles they wouldn't need so much time and hard work)

;)
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

This dubious map seems to prove that many ancients lumped slavs in with Germans.

Nothing dubios about it but a clear map...and he seems very able to differentiate between the Germanics and the Sarmatians! ;)

Wonder what a Warsaw based team would find?

I think they will get access to the map if they ask for it....it's no secret!

The whole bruhaha just started...there will be alot written about this sensational findings in the coming years.
Many stats have to be rewritten in the history books...for example alot of german towns are 1000 years older than previously thought.

PS: Yeah...I can understand the need to deny these new findings by some slavic nationalists but hell...who cares!
As long as the mainstream history accepts this map and it's inclinations we all can live with your denial :)
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

And that's why Ptolemy's map is so sensational and important.
These slavic settlement show the slavic "Drang nach Westen", not the german "Drang nach Osten", after all it has been the Germans who were pushed back to the west steadily for centuries now.

Everywhere where now Slavs settle settled once Germans.

The propaganda of the agressive Germans and the victimized Slavs is just a slavic myth!
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

Heh:)
"estimated" being the key word! Your source being just another forum poster:

I created this map to give an idea of what Europe might have looked like genetically during the late Bronze Age or early Iron Age.

Yeah...how scientifical...maybe I should go and make a funny map myself and post it!

PS: We are all mutts here in central Europe...and there is nothing wrong with being european mutts.
But still historical facts shouldn't be denied or falsified..germanic tribes were here first, period!
(okay...second...after the Celts)
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

Sure...even Ptolemy worked for the German propaganda ministry already back in 200 AD....suuure!

/wiki/Ptolemy

Claudius Ptolemaeus (Greek: ῖ Klaúdios Ptolemaîos; c. AD 90 - c. 168), known in English as Ptolemy (pronounced /ˈtɒləmɪ/), was a Roman citizen of Egypt who wrote in Greek.[1]
He was a mathematician, astronomer, geographer, astrologer and a poet of a single epigram in the Greek Anthology[2][3]. He lived in Egypt under Roman rule, and is believed to have been born in the town of Ptolemais Hermiou in the Thebaid. He died in Alexandria around AD 168.[4]

An Roman with egyptian heritage...the poster model of an propagandist for Germans!!!
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

Stop lying!
You people did ride on the "mean, agressive Germanics agains poor, sweet, innocent Slavs" myth for far to long already!

We have proof that Germanics settled first as far as 2000 years back in what is now Poland.
There is even a map about it. Look for Ptolemy's Magna Germania map as I advised you before.
Slavs invaded these lands not before the 6th century, half a millennia later.

It isn't that hard....

spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,720513,00.html

Magna Germania 2000 years back:

Slavs invading from the East...
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

It isn't...the biggest red part shows a distribution of R1a of only 47%, meaning less than the half are (pure) slavic. Even ethnically cleansed Poland "only" get's 51%

The same with the germanic R1b, the percentuage differs but especially in central Europe we are incredible mixed! No wonder with our history :)