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Bratwurst Boy   
13 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Just a question Jola, 1982 the official polish nation was still firmly the enemy. The cold war and all that...

What did the communist polish government say to one of it's citizens flying for the "enemy"?
I have a hard time believing that if I'm honest.

On the other hand I can also hardly believe that such a controlled unit like the military of the US opened it's door for polish, russian, east-german or whatever eastern bloc nationals, their enemies after all.

Tell me more about it please...I've never heard of that...

M-G I was and I am Polish citizen and I was in U.S.Army 1987-1991 and at a time I was not U.S citizen

The same question to you too Marek...
(All rules changed after '89 and the demise of the eastern bloc)

PS: I know that serving in the US-army is a way to earn your US-passport. But that would mean that you were already immigrated into the US with the plan to become an USian.

You weren't in the US army as a polish citzen under the polish communist government as it seemed implied here...
Bratwurst Boy   
13 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

We are not all crazy but it helps :)

It must help....I should try something of this myself! :)

Still haven’t fully grasp the time period idea, have you?

I admit...I'm not polish and hence I really seem to have problems to grasp your reasoning.
I have numbers and stats and (typically German) I have to go by that....poor me! :(
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Only a conclusion an uninformed person would make.

Why?
Explain to me why you are blaming the Jews for the communism in Poland...
I've brought numbers and info...they speak to me that the numbers of the Jews were just to tiny and that they were always shrinking...no jewish paradise at all.

Still a little miffed about this morning where you came out all guns blazing without any ammo? Get over it.

No, I'm really interested...gimme some reasoning please. I want to know how your polish mind ticks because till now I just don't get it.

All facts speak against your "The mean Jews oppressed us"-theory...
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

It's a fact that East Germans embraced Communism more enthusiastically than Poles ever did. If not for a Russians communism would be some fringe party nobody takes seriously in Poland.

Well, you kept it till 1989 too as I remember....first the Jews did all the opressing and communisting now you were at least braver as the Eastern Germans? What next? ;)

Face it, you know nothing about who was terrorizing who.

The numbers say that the partaking of Jews was minimal (there weren't that many left and of those most would leave over the next decades - also pointing AGAINST a "jewish paradise").

That's leaves pure Poles...yes, sometimes it's that easy!

I might be shocking to you, but Poland was not Germany.

And?
No eastern german troops helping to destroy the Prague Spring but polish tanks...if that's what you mean?

Oopsie....am I destroying a polish myth here? About the brave polish anti-communist resisters who grumble every day at home against their jewish opressors???

I really would like to know where they were all the time till '89....
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

I just think "the Jews" are made again to a scapegoat for People unwilling to look sharper at the history. As nothing supports this story at all....pure logic and straight numbers speak against it.

But it's so easy to blame this mysterious "Jew" for every wart...really "eternal"....
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Even if the number was 3,5 mil (I'm too lazy to check) it's very low considering we are talking about 35 million nation and pure terror commies unleashed to 'convinced' unbelievers. They had more success in your beloved DDR.

Well, you had to be of age and all those communist party members had supporting families...

The GDR was on the frontline of the cold war, the invisible battle field (agents, spies, assassinations and so on) and had still a huge number of the Red Army stationed on it's soil till 1989 but still I would never try to put the blame on the Russians, the Jews or the Marsians...I know that we did it all by ourselves.

Sometimes I think for many Poles the war had been easier...the battle lines were clearly drawn.
But post war Poland was not so easy! Stop looking for someone else to blame.
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

It is still a point of resentment between the two, Poles and Jews;

Resentment about WHAT????

...as long as it is ignored it will remain just that.

Well, I'm glad to be of help....

Those damn stubborn Poles were tough nuts to crack;

3.5 million polish nuts in the polish communist party Bzibzi....most of them pure polish nuts, not jewish nuts!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Just curious. That would explain a lot.

That I know where your story has it's cracks?

They left in 1968. 23 years of hard work of transforming Poland into a commie paradise.

Why should they leave their paradise they ruled supreme???

/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland#Communist_rule:_1945.E2.80.9389

...Polish Jews began to leave Poland soon after the Second World War ended for variety of reasons.[133] Many left because Poland became a communist country they did not want to live in, or because all private property has been confiscated by the new communist government.
Some left because they did not want to live where their family members were murdered and instead chose to live with relatives in different countries. Many wanted to go to British Mandate of Palestine soon to be new state of Israel. Yet others left because many Poles viewed Jews with hostility due to anti-Semitic prejudice.

What is Ossi?

Short for Eastern Germans :)
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Bratwurst Boy
Are you from a former West Berlin or DDR Berlin?

I'm a born and bred Ossi, and I know all the arguments...
You can tell maybe a stupid Wessi from the US or GB about the bad communist from Mars (or Jews as polish specialty) who somehow got to power to oppress the brave Poles/East Germans/(insert any other eastern bloc country of your choice)

But we know better, don't we? It weren't Marsians!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

As in every society, my guess not enough Russians spoke good enough German to be mistaken for one.

Come on... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_United_Workers%27_Party

In the crowning time of the PUWP's development (the end of '70s) it consisted of over 3.5 million members.

How many of them were Jews, huh? I can tell you, not many: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland

war period, many of the approximately 200,000 Polish Jewish survivors chose to emigrate from the communist People's Republic of Poland to the nascent State of Israel and North or South America.

200.000 survivors left, most of them packing their bags already, the communist party hostile....but you want to tell me that the omnipotent Über-Jew was able to terrorize the whole of brave Poland???

Sorry, I don't buy it!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

M-G (Bratwurst has earned some salmon with horseradich and mintsauce - yummie)

Oooh...*sits down to feast*

:)

Some were, most were implants that changed their name to reflect Polishness even if they had nothing to do with Poland.

Oh please....after the Holocaust there just weren't enough Jews left to terrorize all the people even if every one of them left felt the burning desire to do so. Not to mention that many of the survivors couldn't wait to leave the killing fields for Palestine.

Plain logic speaks again "the Jews did it all" theory!

No, it was our own people, opportunists, believers, cold beaureucrats whatever....Poles are humans like anybody else. You don't sh*it gold!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Nobody killed more Slavs than Stalin (Do count Georgians as Slavs???) and there couldn't be that many Jews left in Poland after the war (communist or not) to single handedly terrorizing the Poles.

Face it guys, the biggest part of the terrorizing after the war did non-jewish Poles, your very own people, I don't know why some of you have such a problem with admitting that. Your constant "The Jews did this! The Jews did that!" starts to sound unnerving....

In East-Germany for example the worst bootlickers of the Soviets were ex-Moscow hardcore Stalinists...Germans! (There might be the odd Jew there too but it hardly matters).

As was the case in all newly incorporated soviet republics....
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

According to you who was the camp commandant?

I would say the Chief of the Criminal Police of Lodz...at least that's what the source calls him.
The misunderstanding seems to be that he also held the rank of an SS-Obersturmbannführer.
And it is a fact that the SS tried to grasp as much of the state police under her influence as she probably could during her rise in Germany but when Himmler complains of the use of SS-guards and demands that this camp comes under the ruling of the criminal police then that is what happened.

Listen Jola, this camp was a crime and horrible as it is but in the context of the topic there hadn't been comparable camps for jewish kids at all, they never even got this chance...maybe we should stop here.

Poll was in communist Poland.

Yes?
And communist Poland wasn't interested in hunting war criminals?

And no...I'm not interested in your polish text...that is rude!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

You mean Eugenia Pohl?

Interesting facts about her too:
/wiki/Jugendverwahrlager_Litzmannstadt#Nachkriegsgeschichte

....
Die stellvertretende Lagerleiterin Eugenia Pohl änderte nach dem Krieg ihren Namen in Poll und begann unerkannt in £ódź als Kindergärtnerin zu arbeiten. Es wird spekuliert, dass sie einen einflussreichen Beschützer in der Stadtverwaltung hatte. Erst am 12. Dezember 1970 wurde sie verhaftet. ..

...The deputy camp leader Eugenia Pohl changed her name after the war in Poll and work undiscovered in Lodz as kindergarten worker. I is speculated that she had an influential guardian in the city council.
Only at the 12th of December she got arrested.

Curious...no leaving for Germany at the wars end? "Influential guardian" in the polish city council???
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Our sources say they were transfered to Ravensbruck or Auschwitz.

What sources? Bring them please....

And as I took the pain to translate german texts into english you could do the same for the sake of a discussion on an english-language talkboard, thank you very much!

Especially this here:

Załoga obozu była dobrana z całą starannością. Komendantem od chwili utworzenia aż do wyzwolenia był szef policji kryminalnej w £odzi, SS-Sturmbannfeuhrer Karl Erlich.

Again...your historians must have some sources...they should be in german so no need to translate them for me!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

That is clearly wrong.

Look at the sources....the documents are all there!

You mean it is not mentiond on the one German wiki entry which basically downplays it

There is no downplaying...it's all there, in all their horribly "glory". Inclusive links to further
information and sources.

That's nice to know, but we are not interested in Nazi propaganda at the moment.

Read the sources.

It is described by a Polish historian

Just show us his sources...(or we can put it into the same drawer like the infamous but never seen "Generalplan Ost")

PS: The camp worked on after the war did you know that?

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Jugendverwahrlager_Litzmannstadt

Original mail:

...

My translation:

"...About Jugendverwahrlager Lodz. There is told that the leftovers of the camp
were removed 1947. That is absurd! My brother and I were admitted on a Friday
the 23th April 1948. That is my name day, this has a special meaning in Poland, that's
why I remember the date.
On Sundy the 9th May our mother was allowed to get us home again.
We were admitted because our mother refused to work the whole day because of us.
Only the unflinching support of her "Kierownicka" is it thanked that we came free..."
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Here is the german wiki link:
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugendverwahrlager_Litzmannstadt

My translation:

"...The planning for a "camp for protection of Minors East" begun already 1941.
The idea came, after own admission, from Hans Muthesius who was annoyed/disturbed that because of "lack of special care institutions" foreign (especially polish) youth got send to german care institutions.

Ont 15th November 1941 Heinrich Himmler ordered the accelerated building of the camp.
With a memo from the 30th. May 1942 the told SS-Obergruppenführer Oswald Pohl that it isn't justifiable to use SS-guards and that the overseeing has to go back to the criminal investigation department.

The camp was being build under the overseeing of the SS, but ruled and run was it by the Reichs departement for the fight against youth criminality, a special departement of the female criminal police...."

All of the sudden the Nazis are Germans, and the concentration camp is an orphanage(sic) for orphaned Poles.

No, it was definitely not an orphanage (even if very young children were tested if they were able to become adopted by german families).
It's official goal was to protect Germans from criminal polish youth.

The only thing they got right is that the internees were transfered to Ravensbruck or Auschwitz on their 17th birthday.

That doesn't seem to be true...at least it isn't mentioned anywhere.
Bratwurst Boy   
8 May 2010
News / What is strategic meaning of Poland in Europe and in the world? [59]

She is just one of the countries controlled by Germany and France in EU.

Our control sucks! :(

Remember the Kazcinsky Twins? If we had had one ounce influence they could never had made Germany's diplomatic life as miserable as they did...
Bratwurst Boy   
8 May 2010
Genealogy / IS SWAROVSKI POLISH? [19]

I'm sure Swarovski, like many Austrians, wished he were Polish.

Heh:)

Wishful thinking! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
7 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Now go and enjoy the hot women in my clip and let me get on changins, will ya!

:)

Will do! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
7 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

But, according to testimonials of captured German militairy after the war, they'd never met such general hatred towards them anywhere in Europe as in NL.

Tja, what does that say about the Dutch?

Opportunists par excellance? First cheering the invaders, running to work with them like no other...once the invaders are losing terrorizing the "collaborateurs" like nobody else? Posing themselves all as brave resisters???

A phenomenon that could be also observed in boot-licker/surrender/collaborateur country France btw.

What does that say about the state of your minds...
Bratwurst Boy   
7 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

actually if everybody thinks that NL was such a sympathising country,

Well, Holland had the percentual biggest participation in the Waffen-SS...

Indeed, I was aiming at the groups of collaborators, traitors, cowards and fascist groups as there were in most countries of Europe

And Volksdeutsche not to forget...why should they not cheer their own troops coming to rescue them at last!
Bratwurst Boy   
7 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Heh:)

Now how do we find our way back to the thread topic...*scratches head*
Bratwurst Boy   
7 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

It was objectively proved through the investigation of the German psychologist Hilde die Wasserrübe, who devised Lovleness Quotient, or LQ. Just compare:

"Objectively", ha! I've heard Hilde was a Brownie herself...and her assistants had all been Greenies...
Bratwurst Boy   
7 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

I love your positive thinking!*hearts Jola* :)

You racist you!
Bratwurst Boy   
7 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Your 'theory' would have been very useful to show Alfred Rosenberg that most Germans had Jewish ancestry; a great tragedy would have been avoided.

All blue eyed guys (and gals) are related...doesn't matter if germanic, slavic or jewish! We share the same ancestor.
We are all one family and should start to act like it!!! :)

sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080130170343.htm
Bratwurst Boy   
4 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Not again! Is he dead?

If only...
How can we win the trophy without a world class goalie???

*breaks down in despair*
Bratwurst Boy   
4 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

We just lost our goalie for the South Africa! That's far worse!