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Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Torq

for he was the most ardently anti-German
of all of us and now he says that Germans are "not too bad" so that's a progress! :)

See!

Group Anglo/German/Polish hug.

Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

It's only a matter of time! :)

yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/quietly-sprouting-european-identity

..."For the first time in history, we're seeing the seeds of a truly European identity,"Wolff said.

Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

but a lot of water will flow in Wisła and Rhein before we will be able
to talk about the alliance of two nations.

Old nation state/last century thinking Torq. We are living this alliance already!
And the next generation is growing up already in a border less European Union of unrestricted movement, study and work.
I don't think they will care overly for long gone history..
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

But something earlier?

How about a millennia of Germans wandering East and Poles wandering West?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland#Prehistory_and_protohistory

....
n the aftermath of Mieszko's 967 victory over a force of the Wolinians led by Wichmann the first missionary bishop was appointed, which counteracted the intended eastern expansion of the Magdeburg Archdiocese, established at about the same time.[12]
Mieszko's state had a complex political relationship with the German Holy Roman Empire, as Mieszko was a "friend", ally and vassal of Otto I

An alliance? Kind of?

....
When fighting the Czechs in 990, Mieszko was helped by the Holy Roman Empire.

Sure!

....
After a power struggle, Bolesław III the Wrymouth (ruled 1102-1138) became the Duke of Poland by defeating his half-brother in 1106-1107. Zbigniew had to leave the country, but received support from Emperor Henry V, who attacked Bolesław's Poland in 1109.

Another alliance...kind of....

...
The civil strife and foreign invasions, such as the Mongol invasions in 1241, 1259 and 1287, weakened and depopulated the many small Polish principalities, as the country became progressively more split.
The German, Polish and other new rural settlements were a form of feudal tenancy with immunity and German town laws were often utilized as its legal bases.
The German immigrants were also important in the rise of the cities and the establishment of the Polish burgher (city dwelling merchants) class; they brought with them West European laws (Magdeburg rights) and customs which the Poles adopted. From that time on the Germans, who created early strong establishments (led by the patriciate) especially in the urban centers of Silesia and other regions of western Poland....

....
In 1226 Konrad I of Masovia invited the Teutonic Knights to help him fight the Prussian people, who lived in a territory adjacent to his lands; substantial border warfare was taking place and Konrad's province had suffered from Prussian invasions.

Definitely an alliance...;)
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

More procreational power would be needed ;-)

We can't outbreed them. And there are only so many people the Earth can bear.
Shrinking populations means also more space, better environments...there is nothing wrong with that. The age gap is the real problem and we need some firmer laws against immigration - "Festung Europe" anybody?

On the captain's bridge of Un-holy Empire. ;)

Och...it will be cool, you will see! :)
Fat citizens, prosperous, peacy...flourishing!
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

can Kohler serve for more that 2 terms, or is this his 1st.

It's his second and last term already.....I have to correct myself here, if Mrs. Schwan want's to run again for office she could try in 4 years.

'night! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

But the old Gov was almost a polar opposite, surely the current Gov has more in common.

Yes...the german electorate (most of it that is) thought so too...we all now look on and wonder in despair!

can Kohler serve for more that 2 terms, or is this his 1st.

He can not be reelected again....(he is in for further 4 years though)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Germany
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Given that Schwan speaks Polish a closer alliance is not out of the question.

I know she is big on Poland but she doesn't hit well off with the Germans...and then...she had to go up against Köhler who is highly admired and respected.
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

The more Germans think about themselves as a great monolithic nation, the lesser their possessions become as an effect.

Nah...we are well on our way to become Europeans...of german extraction. :)
After all we have the HRE to fall back on! :):):)
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

This is slightly of topic and i I apologise, however I would like to know what is Bratwurst Boy's opinion on current German politics.

ugh

How do you view the CDU-FDP alliance

The whole country is disappointed by the FDP and if they don't shape up quick I can't see them last.
They are now down to barely 8 percent I've read...Westerwelle becomes genuinely disliked all around.

Will Gesine Schwan run for the presidency again?

Gesine Schwan has no chance against Köhler and never will have...She better forgets about it soon.
Köhler earned the respect of most of the Germans regardless the politic affiliation.

how would you rate the cabinet?

Most people are quite confused about this cabinet and wish the old gov back...seriously..
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

I don`t think that you ruled most of Europe

Depends on the time frame:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

Okay...not most...but much...;)

OK. BB has frozen us with all this flying eagles full of sharp beaks and nails.

Yeah! *throws helmet in air*

Let's try to find some examples of it in history. It could be funny.

There was another thread over there....about the german history in Cracow. It seems that whenever Poles and Germans lived and worked peacefully together we both flourished...
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Italy splitted down to more than 500 little statelets by the 1800's.

The same is with Germany.

That's what I said:

Meaning what started out as an huge Empire under Charlemagne consisting of what is now Germany, France and northern Italy splitted down to more than 500 little statelets by the 1800's.

You still don`t want to know the truth , that HRE wasn`t a state It was UNION...

A union as far as Empires were unions these days! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Oh boy! *sighs*

HRE ca. 1600

HRE ca 1600

compared to the later Empires of the Brits and French we lacked the oversees territories but very much ruled most of Europe.

Germanic law orders the parting of the heritage by the sons. Meaning what started out as an huge Empire under Charlemagne consisting of what is now Germany, France and northern Italy splitted down to more than 500 little statelets by the 1800's.

Inclusive strifes and wars....
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

even wkipedia knows that HRE wasn`t a state ;)

That's common with most Empires I think....;)

Just try to think british Empire....lotsa states between but still under one King (Queen) in London....
Or the french Empire, or the original roman Empire (that was some kind of a blue print anyhow).
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

if you really need some country assignation.

The HRE is enough for me, thank you! ;)
(As it is also seen in books and encyclopedias)

maybe in Germany ;)

*wiggles finger* :)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic

Formation

- Principality of Bohemia c. 870
- Czechoslovakia 28 October 1918
- Czech Republic 1 January 1993

Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

HRE WASN`T a GERMANY...

Why do you think the HRE is called the "first Reich"??? ;)

And back then there wasn't a Czech but only a Bohemia and a Moravia...that is mainstream history, sorry...

So you agree with this idea :

Roman Empire 753 BC = Italy 19 century AD ???

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire#Legacy

The Germans more or less took over....;)

....
Several states claimed to be the Roman Empire's successors after the fall of the Western Roman Empire.
The Holy Roman Empire, an attempt to resurrect the Empire in the West, was established in 800 when Pope Leo III crowned Frankish King Charlemagne as Roman Emperoron Christmas Day, though the empire and the imperial office did not become formalised for some decades.

Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Thanks for the info, but I already know that.

Just for those who are not as knowledgeable as you and still think Germany hatched from an egg out of the blue only a few years back:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Germany

Bundesadler

....
Together with the Austrian coat of arms, which has the same history, it is the oldest extant state symbols of Europe and is among the oldest insignia in the world

Names can change...
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Germany was officially formed and unified in the 19th century.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany

Formation

- Holy Roman Empire 2 February 962 - 1806
- Unification 18 January 1871
- Federal Republic 23 May 1949
- Reunification 3 October 1990

crwflags.com/FOTW/flags/de_roman.html

Flag of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation till 1401:



Bundeswappen of modern Germany:

It wasn't called German because there were no Germany in XIV century.

Well, there wasn't a "Czech" either...it was a town in Bohemia, belonging to the HRE....:)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia#History

....
After a decisive victory of the Holy Roman Empire and Bohemia over invading Magyars in the 955 Battle of Lechfeld, Boleslaus I of Bohemia was granted the March of Moravia by German emperor Otto the Great.
... once he re-occupied Prague with a German army in 1004, ending the rule of Boleslaw I of Poland.

An Empire with an army...ah ja!

Plus lotsa Germans already there:

....
The mid-thirteenth century saw the beginning of substantial German immigration as the court sought to replace losses from the brief Mongol invasion of Europe in 1241.
Germans settled primarily along the northern, western, and southern borders of Bohemia, although many lived in towns throughout the kingdom.

Reminds me about Poland at the same time....the so called much talked about "eternal Drang nach Osten" seems to be some centuries of invited, peaceful of repopulation of the East after the mass murders by the Mongols...(as in Cracow) instead of something sinister...

In XIII century there were produced only 4 000 documents in theodisc (in all dialects and flavours) while 500 000 in Latin. So how do you feel?

I blame the church!
It needed a german Luther to make the main language native again...
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Simple as that the university in Prague is and was Czech...

Founded by a HRE King in Bohemia wich was part of the HRE with 90 percent non-czech students??? Okaaaay.... :):):)

As far as I know anything "Czech" is an artificial thing carved out of the Empires in in Europe after WW1...but you will surely see it otherwise.

*takes helmet*
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Oh look:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3906253?dopt=Abstract

The German University in Prague was founded in 1348 by the German Emperor Karl IV

Heh:)

We are talking abot university not about students...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Karl_IV

He was king of the HRE not of the Czechs....

On 11 July 1346 Prince-electors had elected him King of the Romans (rex Romanorum) in opposition to Emperor Louis IV.
Charles was crowned on 26 November 1346 in Bonn.
After his opponent had died, he was re-elected in 1349 (17 June) and crowned (25 July) King of the Romans. In 1355 he was also crowned King of Italy on 6 January and Holy Roman Emperor on 5 April. With his coronation as King of Burgundy, delayed until 4 June 1365, he became the personal ruler of all the kingdoms of the Holy Roman Empire.

Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Ofcuz that kingdom of Czech was a part of Holly Roman... but As I said before it wasn`t exactly the State.

There were only 10 percent Czech students though...and the HRE ruled at that time! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Interesting: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_University_in_Prague
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Feb 2010
History / Kashubians are nation in Poland? [124]

Well, I don't. It wouldn't serve Europe well if we were to have hundreds of tiny
statelets of every historical region in our continent. There's no coming back to
Middle Ages,

Of course not.
But the future of the EU lies in the regions, and there is surely place for a kashubian region too! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2010
History / 'Battle of Britain' won thanks to Polish aces !! [158]

I usually prefer books written by "the other side" - the enemy; for some reason I always prefer to study their reasoning.

Here you have the epitome of "the other side":

Admirable Adolf Galland's "The First and the Last".

He was not only there during the Battle of Britain, he was the friend of aces like Werner Mölders, Erich Hartmann and even british aces like Douglas Bader, the intimate enemy of Hermann Göring, he also founded and led the first jet Jagdgeschwader in the world.

Loved this book!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2010
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

so what do you expect from people who lived in 1968??? Brotherly feelings? After 6 million victims of German folly? :):):):)

For their chzechoslovakian slavic brothers who too had been victims of Nazi-Germany?
Who were about to shed the shackles of yet another dictatorship? As the Poles wished to do also?
For sure!
Bratwurst Boy   
31 Jan 2010
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

Na ja....but you wrote yourself that the majority of Poles were quite pleased with the invasion because of their fears of Germany.

That's not quite brotherly, freedom lovingly etc. at all.....