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Iron, I'd like to comment some more on this, because I think you may not realise something:


As much as cruel and genocidal the Khmer Rouge regime was, its rule lasted for a short period of time, especially if you compare it to half of a century of communism in Poland, 70 years of Soviet rule in Russia or still ongoing communism in China.

In 2012 74% of Russians declared themselves as Russian Orthodox. Putin (former KGB agent - don't forget) worked hard for this.
Cambodia may not be as religious as it was before the Khmer Rouge rule but it doesn't have to mean that it isn't a patriarchal, traditional, conservative society nowadays. The fact that Theravada Buddhism is the official religion of Cambodia already tells you something. The fact that men believe in ridiculous superstition (passed on to them by older generation) that sex with a virgin makes them younger and more healthy also shows how traditional (and backward) that country is. What I wrote about women being second class citizens didn't come from Wikipedia but from an older Cambodian lady in one of the documentaries that I've watched. She lives there and she's a woman so I guess she knows better than you or me, right?

And the fact that women are second class citizens means that it's a patriarchal society no matter how religious or non-religious it is.

Chinese society has traditionally valued boys over girls. Gender-selective abortions spiked after the introduction of the one-child policy in the late 1970s, and again following the introduction of ultrasound technology. China outlawed sex determination in the late 1980s to stop parents from finding out the gender of their child and abort or abandon girls. Doctors are forbidden by the state to tell the sex of unborn babies. But the practice still goes on. And deeply entrenched traditional ideas about female inferiority prevail, especially in rural provinces. This has led to skewed sex ratio in China. According to a 2014 census data there were nearly 116 men for every 100 women. This led to another pathology - men from rural areas kidnapping women from different regions and from cities and imprisoning them as "wives" (I've even seen a Chinese film about this on Polish TV). The same problem exists in India, a very conservative, traditional and religious country - boys valued more than girls, gender-selective abortions targeting female fetuses, shortage of women in more traditional, conservative regions, men from those regions with greatest shortage of women kidnapping or buying girls/women as "wives".

Despite China being communist for years it didn't manage to root out this traditional attitude towards girls/women so I'm not surprised at all by what's going on in Cambodia.

Also, I'd like to ask about this:


Right about what, Iron? That if real men were in power rapist pedophiles would be nailed by their balls to nearest bridges? Where are those "real men" then - in which countries? And what gregy741 means by the term "real men"? Judging by his views real men would be those who think women are less intelligent than men and that they shouldn't have the right to vote, which is a basic human right. He also apparently thinks that "women destroy nations/civilizations" lol Do you think that if men with such Taliban-like mentality would rule in the West it would make Western societies better? lol Do you want to live in Afghanistan?

The retarded ways of how the West is handling its issues with its minorities doesn't have anything to do with women and their voting rights but everything to do with their colonial past and the trauma after the atrocities of WWII. As far as I remember from my history classes at school black males got voting rights before white females in the US. That really tells you a lot.

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Iron, you wrote why you think Wikipedia is wrong about this. I'm sorry, but what you think is not enough for me. Provide other data and a source to back them up. I want data, statistics, some kind of proof, OK?


So what do you want from me exactly? You want me to explain it to you what my aim was in writing about what "real men" are doing to 12-year-old girls in Cambodia? But you just wrote that my aim is to prove "nothing at all" lol So now you're interested in my answer after all?


You know, I have an impression that according to you even if I sneezed I would prove him right about everything... You have your mind made up already, it seems.


So what do you think I think I'm doing (that I'm not doing)? ;D


Nope, they aren't pointless nor random.


And what is my premise?


If I gave you the same advice would you stop writing about Poland and Polish politics? :)


I don't live in the West.


And what about Nazism?


There are countries where women have it not only worse but much worse then men. Are you denying this?

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Why not? According to Wikipedia 87.5% of Poles are Roman Catholics. You think Wikipedia is also wrong on this one? :)


;D
Iron, I'm afraid that trying to have an adult, normal, constructive discussion with you is absolutely pointless :) First you ask me what I'm trying to prove and then you answer on my behalf to yourself: "Nothing at all!" lol Maybe simply stand in front of the mirror and discuss with yourself? At least you won't be wasting my time.


As I wrote - if you have another information and a better source then provide it.


This is true, I was thinking about it too. However, Cambodia is just one example. I could also write about other patriarchal, conservative, traditional, religious countries. That's why I wrote that gregy741 probably wouldn't like me to go there (in that direction). India is a great example... Supposedly developing and pretty successful country. But the stuff that's going on there as far as women are concerned... No comment... Really depressing.


Indeed. Although poverty is definitely one of the things that make the virgin trade possible.

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Of course. I've also watched the film "The Killing Fields"...


The Khmer rule lasted from 1970 up until Vietnamese invasion and occupation in 1978, I think.
In 1993 monarchy was restored in Cambodia.
According to Wikipedia "Theravada Buddhism is the official religion of Cambodia, practised by more than 95 percent of the population with an estimated 4,392 monastery temples throughout the country."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodia#Religion


Why, do you have other information? If yes, then please provide it and a source.


I don't think he would look good as a woman lol


Um... What? lol O_O'

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Sweetie, you can't even do this. Even the basic info about the difference between the brain size of men and women you gave was incorrect.

I feel like I'm discussing with a 12-yeard-old (I'm being generous now) and you're telling me about adults lol


Oh, you don't want me to go there, gregy741, trust me. Want to talk about Cambodia where "real men" are in power and about what they are doing to 12-old-girls? You see, men in Cambodia believe in a superstition that having sex with a virgin gives them youth and health. Of course, you can ba a virgin only once and what's more there's another problem - because of the extent to which men in Cambodia are whoring around without using condoms there's a problem with AIDS among prostitutes. So they go for younger and younger girls because the younger they are the more likely it is that they are HIV-free virgins.

So, very young girls are in demand but, of course, what girl in her early teens would like to be a prostitute, right? But where's demand there's a way. There is a lot of poverty in Cambodia and many poor families (sometimes parents do it consciously, sometimes close relatives claim they can get work for them in some menial jobs in a different town but sell them to men as sex slaves) sell their daughters to those pedopohiles and ephebophiles. Those men rape them for a week or two and after that they give/sell the girls away to brothels. In one of the documentaries about Cambodia that I've watched a 13-year-old girl was sold by her aunt to a brothel where she was raped by up to 20 men every night. When she asked the human traffickers for a time off because she wasn't feeling well she was beaten and made to drink water with shards of glass. All of that at the age of 13. Just imagine that.

Even if the girls escape their lives are pretty much over because for a poor girl the only future is marriage and men want only a virgin for a wife.

So they end up as prostitutes, they get AIDS and they die. Then another generation of young girls arrives, they get AIDS and they die. And this is how it goes.

In theory the equality of men and women is enshrined in Cambodia's constitution, but in reality women there are second class citizens. And prostitutes are simply treated as subhumans (I'm being generous again, because I have an impression that even animals in Poland are being treated better). Which is of course bitterly ironical because many of them, if not most, are victims of human trafficking and should be helped and shown empathy.

It often happens that when a prostitute meets the client it turns out that there are other men present, his buddies, and they want some too and so the prostitute is raped by all of them and paid only for one client. Gang rapes are a problem too. There's a lot of porn in the country, men simply watch it in pubs, bars, etc. it's everywhere. So they go in groups to bars, watch porn and then they want to try it out - whatever they've seen in the film. They go out, grab some girl, usually those selling beer in bars and rape her. Prostitutes also say that, unlike Western men, Cambodian men like to do it in groups. I guess it's a kind of group entertainment for "real, brave men".

One activist (a Western man) said that there was a case in which a 16-old-girl was gang raped, raped with a knife (with the sharp end) and then her breasts were cut off. She bled out to death in the street. It also happens that bystanders are joining in the rape, btw.

I think one of the most shocking things that I've ever heard on a documentary was a story of a Cambodian prostitute who was raped by 50 men during one night. First they raped her at some house/shed in the village. Then they dragged her to the fields and continued raping her for the rest of the night. She passed out a few times. After some time one of the rapists said to her: "We will f*ck you until you die". At that point she got a stroke.

When she was telling about it I noticed scars in neat rows on her forearms - she was cutting herself.

This hell on Earth for girls and women takes place not in some "libtard" Western country with "feminist politics", not even in a Muslim country, but in a patriarchal, conservative, traditional, 96.4 % buddhist Cambodia.

I'm sorry, but what I've noticed is that the more patriarchal the country is the more f*cked up it is. And not always only girls suffer from this. I'll mention just one thing, connected to Afghanistan - bacha bazi. If you don't know what's that all about then google it and if you have a chance - watch some documentary.


Judging by the article in Wikipedia they were given sentences from 5 to 20 years in prison (for me that's not enough for raping children, btw).

Gregy, in my opinion it's the other way around - the law isn't "feminist" enough in this respect.
In Poland a man for a rape often gets a year in prison. A year! It's as if he stole a car or sth! It even happens that they get suspended sentences. Can you imagine? How women are supposed to feel safe after testifying against rapists in court if the rapists don't even make it to prison?

You think that women like such situation? That this is what they're voting for? Poland is a Catholic country, it's still pretty conservative by Western standards, it's not a haven for "femi-nazis", I'm sure you know this.

Look at this:

tvn24.pl/lodz,69/gwalcil-trojke-dzieci-corka-popelnila-samobojstwo-jest-wyrok,672009.html

This Polish man raped his two daughters for years, one of them couldn't take it anymore and committed suicide.
He got sentenced to 11.5 years in prison and he can't get anywhere near his other daughter, his son and wife for 5 years lol
Look at the comments:

kamikadze75:
For such a crime such low sentence is laughable and a tragedy!!! In the US he wouldn't get out of the prison for the rest of his life, because they would sum up the sentences for him. In Poland for good behaviour he will get out after a few years and he will have a laugh at the justice.

I often read such comments under Polish articles about rapes in Poland both from men and women. Sometimes they cheer each other up by saying that at least the rapist will be treated "accordingly" in the prison by his fellow inmates (the urban myth says that rapists are raped in prison by inmates on regular basis, but I don't know if it's true).

Women in both Poland and the US can vote so why such difference (at least perceived) in sentences?


All those presidents, prime ministers and MPs in Parliaments, city mayors, town mayors, etc. It's not only that - most of the police are men, the same with judges.Those are the people who make laws and who execute this law. And they are mostly men.


You would have to prove it with statistical data.


Again - prove it with data.


Mental differences lol Gregy, you would have to show data for this :) Show me statistics proving that majority of men are right wingers and majority of women are leftists (for example by showing voting patterns or sth among the two sexes).


Gregy, gregy... lol Communism was invented and implemented in the most cruel ways by men. You talk a lot of bullsh1t.


Wow, so Jesus was a woman? :D


Oh, silly boy, I know how important economical independence was (and still is) for emancipation of women :)


What on Earth are you talking about? ;D Taxes are paid by both men and women and they existed long before anyone could even dream about women's emancipation lol Also both men and women get welfare benefits, so what are you on about?


Only rich states can afford to support their citizens with welfare benefits and what not and do that no matter whether they're "libtard & feminist" Western democracies or extremely patriarchal and conservative Saudi Arabia, for example (which was referred to as a "Welfare State" since citizens of the kingdom were at one time heavily subsidized by oil income by the royal family of Abdullah - but that's apparently all changing with increased population).

I would recommend to you to read stuff, watch documentaries, visit other countries - maybe you'll learn something about the world, life and people and you'll widen your horizons.


Funny, it's usully women who want to get married and have a family and men, at least that's the stereotype, avoid it like fire lol Men are using exactly the same word as you - that marriage is putting "chains" on a man :)


You want me to watch something titled: "Why Women DESTROY NATIONS * / CIVILIZATIONS - and other UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS"?? :D
Why on Earth would I waste 18 minutes of my life on watching this? Have mercy lol I've wasted enough of my time with you and I bet this video is as "factual" as your comments lol

I don't know, maybe if I provided you with link to a video containg 18 minutes long rant titled "Why men are MONSTERS and other UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS" then you would watch it with great interest but I'll pass for the time being, sorry... I've read a lot of comments on Rooch V forum and blog + your comments, I'm afraid that an overdose of similar content would make me hate and despise men.


What one can be sure for certain is that Tusk isn't a woman (look at the thread title, Crow).

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Btw, in case someone didn't believe me about this:


edition.cnn.com/2013/08/13/world/meast/saudi-woman-everest/

"I think she was 13 or 14 years old ... saying 'I just wanted to tell you that after hearing your story I found the courage to ask my father for a bicycle.'


It doesn't seem to me that you know much about anything, tbh. Let alone about women or their fate throughout centuries... I don't know where your issues with women came from but you're clearly deeply prejudiced.


Well, Ziemowit, looks like he does qualify as nothing more than a male chauvinist.


Ah, men raping girls in Rotherham is women's fault - interesting "logic" lol
You know, politics are still vastly dominated by men and Marxism and utopian socialism were all invented by men. I'm afraid you're probably giving women too much credit right now :)


"Interesting" conspiracy theory - makes no sense though since women don't need to leach on the society or their husbands for that matter because they can work nowadays and they do work. At least in Poland (you can't usually raise a family on one salary in Poland, you know). I don't know what it's like in the UK but I doubt it's that much different.

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Napoleon, just like other male rulers, profited from millennia of patriarchy before him. During his time societies were still patriarchal and so men usually ruled.

Btw, he declared Joan of Arc a national symbol of France. Have you heard of her?


Of course it had everything to do with allowing. You think gorilla packs are patriarchal because gorilla females care about "shoes and handbags"? lol And what do male spotted hyenas care about? Fast cars, beer and porn? lol

Women in Great Britain had to throw themselves under horses during horse races and burn buildings in order to get voting rights and you tell me about shoes and handbags lol Idiot...


That's what women are allowed to do nowadays (still not everywhere though) and what they are doing nowadays (except for walking on the Moon, but Mars awaits :D).


No, it isn't wrong. The first female students were allowed in 1894, but only at the pharmacy course. They were allowed on other courses later on.

Here's an article about those first students and what it was like for them:

wyborcza.pl/alehistoria/1,121681,18170349,Studentki_w_gorsetach__Pierwsze_Polki_na_uniwersytecie.html

Tell me, gregy, you claim that men ruled in the past because "they were smarter, better organised, had better charisma, were more intelligent, more willing to risk, more willing to sacrifice their life and they didn't care about their shoes and handbags" (this cracks me up, btw, do you know how French men dressed in the 18th century, including kings, for example lol).

So what's your explanation for the fact that women weren't allowed to study at universities in the past and weren't allowed to vote but men were? Was it also because men were "smarter, better organised, had better charisma, were more intelligent, more willing to risk, more willing to sacrifice their life and they didn't care about their shoes and handbags"? :) Or was it because men ruled and they didn't allow women to attend universities and to vote?


Did he even own a telephone? lol


Of course, gregy was there and knows it all *smh*

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You know, you're so silly that it's almost adorable :D How old are you?


That was because men held power since the very beginning and they held power not because they were smarter than women but because they were physically bigger and stronger than them. It's a well researched correlation in the animal world - species with males bigger than females are patriarchal (like gorillas, for example) and those with females bigger than males are matriarchal (like spotted hyenas).

Those who have power do what they want and take what they want, they can decide about they own fate and the fate of those subjected to them (women in this case), they can take privileges for themselves and can take take the roles they feel like taking.

Nowadays physical strength doesn't matter as much as it used to, the world has changed and so the tide has turned in favour of women who are physically weaker than men. Now it's brains that counts, not muscles. At least in those more developed parts of the world.


You can't be THAT ignorant O_O Did you even attend school?
Usually only men were ALLOWED to rule.
Don't you remember to what great lengths Henry VIII went to have a legitimate male heir? He even broke with the Vatican and changed the country's religion + beheaded his wife to get a new one lol

Sometimes women were allowed to rule either on their own, like Cleopatra VII Philopator, Elizabeth I of England, Catherine the Great or together with their husbands, like Isabella I of Castile and probably others that I'm not aware of. But that happened usually because there was no other choice.

And don't forget that behind every man there was usually a wife. Wives or even lovers of kings could have some influence on what was going on in the country, like in the case of Hürrem Sultan, also known as Roxelana, for example (she came from Poland, btw). She started the Sultanate of Women:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Women

"Many of the Sultans during this time were minors and it was their mothers, the Valide Sultans, or their wives, the Haseki Sultans, who effectively ruled the Empire."

The TV series "Wspaniałe stulecie" or "The Magnificent Century" rings a bell? It's pretty popular in Poland.


I don't think I remember any names of any math scientists, tbh, be that men or women. Well, maybe besides the ancient ones ;)


If you read the article in Wikipedia about Nawojka you would know that the Jagiellonian University did not allow women to study until 1897. At that time Skłodowska was already starting her research for her doctorate at the Sorbonne in Paris :D The same year she gave birth to her daughter, Irène Joliot-Curie, the future laureate of the Nobel Prize for Chemistry :)

In Poland she did study at Warsaw's clandestine Floating University, though.


Wow, I really didn't realise the extent of your prejudice, stupidity and ignorance. Now I see it in full glory and it hurts my eyes lol:




Civilizations were created by human beings in general, women had some part in this too, despite being restricted by men to a great extent.
You mean brands like Chanel? lol
And inventions:
mentalfloss.com/article/53164/19-things-you-might-not-know-were-invented-women

buzzfeed.com/hannahjewell/inventions-by-women-that-changed-the-world


Yes, and because "millions" of men have done it in the past it wasn't so unusual. Maria Curie was the first woman to win a Nobel Prize in Science and the only woman to ever win two Nobel Prizes. So obviously she's famous - precursors always are. She made history. It's also nothing unusual for teams of scientists to get Nobel Prizes - it happens all the time nowadays. This doesn't mean that she was "an average chemist" (she graduated from her studies in physics at first place and in mathematics at second place at the Sorbonne).


In what way was it "political"? It didn't cross your mind that she was overlooked at first because she was a woman? After all, those were the times when women in most countries didn't even have voting rights. They weren't treated seriously or considered equal to men. Even nowadays they aren't considered equal by some men, including you...

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Hahahaha... Good Lord, it's so funny that I feel like crying :D :D
Sorry if anyone already commented on this - I'm toot tired to read the whole thread... In case noone have:
First of all, they're 8% smaller, not 30% :D
Fun fact - neanderthals had bigger brains than homo sapiens :D Were they smarter than us? Nope - evolution doesn't lie, I think. Of course, elephants and whales have bigger brains too but I don't see them flying to the Moon and stuff ;)

Another fun fact - Einstein's autopsy revealed that his brain was smaller than average.
Also:

telegraph.co.uk/women/9905587/Women-have-more-efficient-brains-than-men.html

"Now a study by universities in Los Angeles and Madrid have shown that for women, brain size does not matter because they are more efficient."

In case your big brain had problems with digesting this info I've prepared some visuals for you:

Big computers (brains):
thecomputercoach.net/assets/images/WITCH_COMPUTER.jpg

Small computers (brains):
brickhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/laptop-trade-in.png
Yay!


I don't know whether it was based on facts but I remember watching a film about courtesans in Venice - they were the only women allowed to use men's libraries (wives could only read the Bible lol).


One British MP in, I think, 19th century cracked me up - he claimed that women shouldn't attend univerities because they could hurt their brains :D


No, no, you can't be THAT stupid... lol
1000 years of history lol When women couldn't even attend universities?? :D Is this some kind of sick joke?!
We've learned about this girl at school:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawojka

It reminded me of this Pakistani girl:
bbc.com/sport/get-inspired/24084101

Plenty of girls and women around the world STILL can't do what boys and men are allowed to do only because they're of the opposite sex than them and you have the audacity to write something like this?

First all women around the world would have to have AT LEAST equal rights and opportunities with men (or more rights and opportunities than men in order to copy the situation in which women had to live in the past) and then we would have to wait a few millennia to see what women are REALLY capable of. IMHO.

Btw, funny thing, probably you don't know much about Polish art or art in general for that matter, but I do know a bit and I can tell you that the only Polish painters that are recognised/known in the world that I know of are women. I've seen paintings of Olga Boznańska in Musée d'Orsay in Paris and maybe also in Louvre but I don't recall seeing works of any Polish male painter. And, of course, there's Tamara de Łempicka:

dziennikpolski24.pl/artykul/3266792,polska-malarka-tamara-de-lempicka-trafila-do-grona-najdrozszych-artystek-swiata,id,t.html

I somehow doubt that even with your bigger brain you'll ever be able to produce anything that will be regarded as worthy of 111,1 mln dollars... Of course you can prove me wrong, but I won't hold my breath :P

Btw, I remember reading about a female math scientist, I think, who couldn't even attend a university library to read her own works that were available there because only men could enter lol How ridiculous was that?

And as for Polish science... Maria is facepalming at you, obviously...:



Btw, Olga Boznańska couldn't attend a Fine Arts School because she was a woman. She had to pay for private tutors. Imagine how many talents and brilliant minds were wasted in the past by sitting at home and doing embroidery...


Gregy lives in the UK and, tbh, I've always had an impression that he's Russian rather than Polish. Bieganski lives in the US, as far as I remember, and probably was born there. Ironside also doesn't live in Poland and I think he has spent a lot of time abroad. The only Polish guy on this thread that probably spent the most time in Poland is Wulkan, I suspect, and he also doesn't live in Poland.

So I wouldn't put it that much on Polish men. Those on this thread don't really represent Polish men living in Poland, at least not in my experience.

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Interesting, do you have some kind of a different type of the internet in Jordan? No Google or what? o_O
All I did was typing "can a foreigner open a company in Poland" into Google search box, hitting "Enter" and here's what came up (both in Google Poland and Google Jordan):

migrant.info.pl/conducting-business-activity-in-poland-by-foreigners.html

web.gov.pl/eng/ecosystem/675_4444_a-foreigner-s-guide-to-starting-a-business-in-poland.html

justlanded/english/Poland/Poland-Guide/Busine ss/Starting-a-business-in-Poland

lawyerspoland.eu/open-a-company-in-poland

foreignersinpoland/start-business-poland

doingbusiness.org/data/exploreeconomies/poland/starting-a-business

companyregistrationsworldwide. com/jurisdictions/poland

(Mods, sorry for multiple links, I don't know whether the info is being repeated in those articles or not - I have no time for relieving a troll, who pretends that doesn't know how to use Google, of reading stuff - Christmas is in just two weeks, so, forgive me, please, too much more important and pleasant stuff to do in real life :))


What if his university library has poor resources and not up to date?


If he's too lazy to google stuff then stocking shelves on the night shift at Biedronka may be too much of an effort for him, I'm afraid...

Or he's simply a troll - in which case we're both wasting our lives typing this :)


lol

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Obawiam się, że do wymiany zdań z nami potrzebowałby czegoś więcej niż umiejętności obsługi Google Translate ;)

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Cześć wredotko :)


;D


A no to już zależy w jakim kręgu kulturowym się chłopak wychował, skoro jest taki "mieszany" to przypuszczam, że bardziej prawdopodobne jest to iż urodził się w Izraelu niż w Iraku, a więc i mentalność może mieć bardziej "europejską". Oczywiście zakładając, że nie jest trollem, który robi sobie z nas jaja :))


No tak, tylko że nasz kolega Izraelita chce z jakiegoś niewytłumaczalnego powodu mieszkać w Polsce, a więc kiszka ;)


Ten argument jest jak zawsze nie do odparcia ;D


xD

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Ostatni cytat jest z komentarza Tamira, przepraszam za pomyłkę!

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That's true, I only visit private dentists.

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lol
Ale z Was wredne ludzie :P


Sądząc po tym co napisał w innym temacie na tym forum jest w połowie polskim Żydem, więc w jego pobycie w Izraelu nie widzę nic dziwnego. W drugiej połowie może też być irackim Żydem (albo i nie). Takie "mieszanki" w Izraelu nie są niczym niezwykłym, to chyba raczej norma.


E tam, jak ładny to polubi ;D


Hed, a kiedy poznasz tą polską kobietę to co z nią zrobisz? Sprzedasz i wymienisz na polski paszport? :P
Jeśli tak to.. ojoj.. polska kobieta disapproves:



;D

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Could you quote the part where it says so?


No, I mean this:

"In the book, Dunham writes about being sexually assaulted by an Oberlin College classmate, which resulted in controversy over the accuracy of her account and a case of mistaken identity when a former Oberlin College student named Barry (...) sought legal advice to ensure people didn't associate him with the content."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lena_Dunham#Related_controversies


Ah, but that's not so simple, you see... Joan Collins, for example, married the man who raped her when she was 17 (he took her virginity as far as I remember), for example. It's common practice in Africa...

There's also marital rape.
I remember reading a thread on some Polish site for women made by a woman who was raped by her husband anally and was asking whether this was rape because she didn't want anal sex, she thought it's going to be normal sex from behind but her husband lay down on her when she was on her belly and took her anally, pressed her down, held her hands and kept going despite the fact that she was saying "no" and cried and was asking him to stop (she was in great pain obviously)...

And what do you do in such a case?

There can be issues with... communication too, btw. I remember reading an article about a thread that was made by someone on reddit - the author of the thread asked rapists to tell their stories and why they raped. This thread was such a rare opportunity to get into rapists minds and hear their versions of what happened that it was even analysed by serious scientific researches. One of the things that the author of the article noticed in part of those accounts was that men were so much "into the action" that they wouldn't even bother to look in the women's faces to check whether everything's OK and whether the women like what they're doing or not or whether they even want sex or not. No eye contact or anything. There was this story of a guy, for example, who, as he thought, had sex with his girlfriend only to find her later on crying in another room.

Some women may have problems with saying "no" when they don't want to have sex, especially the young ones. I remember reading an article in "Gazeta Wyborcza" on some different topic - it was a long interview with a psychologist and sexuologist on sexual issues. A young couple came to him because they had a problem with their sex life. The girl didn't want to have sex with the boy despite early on they had sex and there were no problems. He asked the couple whether something unusual or bad happened. They said that no, nothing. So he asked when the girl started to dislike having sex with her boyfriend. They remembered that it was after a music festival they both attended. So he asked whether something happened at that festival. They said that no, not really. It turned out at last that when the boyfriend and the girlfriend went to the toilet there were some guys over there and they started touching the girl. She didn't like it but the boyfriend liked it and told her not to resist. All of the guys, including the boyfriend had sex with her. The sexuologist told the interviewer: "Do you understand? She was raped and she didn't even realise it..."

I think young people especially should be educated about such issues and not only that they should use condoms, etc. You know, the psychological aspect of sex, about consent, etc. Girls should be taught that they don't always have to agree to everything if they don't want it, don't like it, etc. And boys should be taught that they should accept it and respect their will and that real life is no internet porn.


O____O

Well, thank you, I guess you learn something all your life lol
I must admit I couldn't get through the whole thing... This really takes the biscuit though:
"The vagina's primary function isn't to be penetrated by a penis but to eject a baby for birth. (...) Penetration of the penis into the vagina is completely unnecessary for conception." :D

Btw, I once read a "feminist" interpretation of a fragment in "The Lord of the Rings" by Tolkien. Some feminist critic wrote that the tunel where the giant spider Shelob lived symbolises Tolkien's fear of vagina ;D When I read that I was like: O___O'

:D

I guess there are loonies in every movement. At the other side of the scale are the masculinists, or red pillers or whatever they call themselves. I read their theories about women with wide open eyes too ;D I mean men like that Roosh V guy and his followers on his blog and forum - it's like reading comments of some Taliban men living in a God forsaken village in Afghanistan... You know - giving women voting rights was a mistake, giving them education was a mistake, women should live with their parents until they marry, etc. I hope such men won't come to power ever again in our part of the world - that would be scary... I'm not kidding...

There are also, as it turns out, such cases:

telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11633305/University-union-officer-who-wrote-kill-all-white-men-tweet-will-remain-in-post.html

And there's this:

telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11618108/Goldsmiths-University-diversity-officer-row-This-is-not-hate-speech.html

"Put simply: men cannot experience sexism and white people cannot experience racism. And as an ethnic minority woman she can be accused of neither."

Of course, I don't agree with this.
I have an impression that this is some kind of Western sickness - the conviction that only certain groups can experience prejudice and discrimination and the rest is off limits.

It's like some people in the West can't think in a logical way anymore and lost their empathy at some point, I don't know...


I know, Atch, I know, you're just better than everyone else ;D And the Irish/British people are better than Poles and Irish/British cakes are better than Polish ones, etc. etc. :))

Oh, and "Polish members here, be they men or women, they have that heavy footed, brusque way, like a bull in a china shop", except for Ziemowit, of course, who has that "rather charming side which clearly indicates that" he "must have Irish blood somewhere :))"

You're such a lovely and gracious girl, Atch :)
As for putting whatever behind then I did my best not to comment on your posts on that "Polish guy and courting? Confusion." thread despite the fact that I didn't like that much the way you treated Myself.


No, I haven't yet. I decided after my last post to gather some information, articles that I found to be interesting and photos for that thread and make some translations but it turned out to be pretty time consuming and I had to put it away for some time. Hopefully I'll get back to that and to that discussion in September maybe (if I won't forget ;/).


But nobody claims it's the same thing. I simply pointed out that yes, there are well known Polish folk/traditional songs, songs of past struggle and lost love or whatever. The fact that you haven't heard anyone singing them doesn't mean that people don't sing them. Or that they don't know them as you claim.

You wrote "The culture in Poland now is MacDonalds, KFC and TK Maxx" which is simply not true. No matter whether it's "heading this way" in your opinion or not.


Have you ever talked with female students at your campus about such stuff?


Now wait a minute... I know that he cheated on her but "rapes and sexual assaults"? That's the first I hear of this. Any links?


Oh come on... :D And conservative youth doesn't go to universities? :) What difference does it make anyway...? o_O Rape is a rape, no matter whether it was done by someone with liberal or conservative views.


You know, such "trolling" sounds disgusting and scary for a woman. Especially that rapes do happen at colleges/campuses. So it's not a joking matter...


Well, what if some boys/men are idiots and they have to be clearly reminded of the fact that "no means no"?
Or do you think such posters simply don't work or are counterproductive somehow?

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Yes, it's very nice and pretty fast lol I remember learning it to play on flute at school. But people don't really sing it.


True, it's the classic of classics ;) You can hear it both at wedding parties and sang by tipsy football fans lol


Yeah, I know what you mean, I reached a boiling point with Atch at some point too...

Btw, at family campfires in the countryside we would sing all kind of songs, but my favourite is "Ach, kieleckie, jakie cudne" (probably known only in my region, I imagine):

interklasa.pl/portal/dokumenty/m016/piosenkizkieleckiego.html

Melody (more or less):

youtube.com/watch?v=sijA9ynjhVc

We would sing it at every campfire and during evening walks down the roads outside the village when we were walking by the forests and the meadows and to the river. We would always end the walk at the river to watch the sunset over the forest and then my mum, my aunts, my female cousins and me would sing this song... It was a kind of tradition of ours :) You could especially hear the nostalgia in my aunt's voice who's been living for years in Wrocław now but was born and grew up here...

I also know those "Kare konie, kare" - it cracks me up:

"Kare kónie, kare tylko nie grzywiate,
ładne te kielcanki, tylko niebogate.
Dana da oj dana, dana da oj dana,"

;D


I agree. That's the problem I often had (and still do, I guess) with some of the Western posters here - instead of just attacking the attacker (usually a Pole or a Polish-American) they would attack Poland/Poles/anything Polish or American Polonia in general. I think that's rather childish and counterproductive. Adult people should be able to control themselves better. On the other hand maybe it simply shows what they really think, I don't know...


It would be enough if the victims were treated seriously and the sentences were adequate... I remember watching the reading of the sentence at that monster Ariel Castro trial live on CNN or BBC - I think the judge was giving a seperate sentence for every rape he committed on those women - my God, it was a pleasure to watch...


I always wonder how they make those statistics, tbh, considering that so many rapes go unreported...

A fragment from your link:

"Unfortunately, according to data from the BJS study, a huge percentage of sexual assaults - upwards of 80 percent for female college students - go unreported, and students who are victimized are far less likely to report the crime than are non-student victims"

:/


I don't know what's that, sorry :)


Oh, come on, that's nonsense, where did you get that? lol


What do you mean by "many"? In that documentary about rapes at college campuses it was said that the percentage of false rape reports is the same as in the case of other falsely reported crimes. So which feminists claim that there are no false rape claims at all?


I've read the bit on Wikipedia about it - she didn't report a rape to the police or anything. She just described a sexual assault in her book and it seems the problem was more the case of mistaken identity?


Well, I can't say I know "most feminists" to able to make such claims :)

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Generally the Ivy League universities were mentioned, so that includes Trump's university.

You know, I'm not terribly impressed with Clinton either but comparing rape and politics is a bit too much for me considering the subject of real rape is being discussed right now and not some metaphoric one...


That's good to know, but how do you know that? Have you ever attended Yale University?
In one of the links I provided it was stated:

"For years now I have been deeply concerned by a yearly ritual verbal assault on women by a fraternity at Yale in my home town of New Haven. Every year the new pledges are gathered in front of the Women's Center and told to chant phrases like, "No means yes, yes means anal", "We love Yale sluts."

So it was going on for years. To be honest, I can't imagine sth like that happening at a Polish university, especially a prestigious one. American male students sound like total retards, judging by this.


Actually, I did this for a reason because I've remembered this article that I've read quite some time ago:

thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/20/why-hillary-s-going-to-have-a-hard-time-playing-the-woman-card-against-trump.html

Two fragments that I had in mind when I was writing about Trump:

"Trump is more like the average man than some of us thought only with more ego and money to say what he actually thinks, and to date who he actually wants to."

"For starters, as the women defending Trump and denouncing the Times piece prove, there are plenty of women who are not shocked by Trump's treatment of women because he simply sounds like an amplified version of their occasionally obnoxious father, husband, boss, or brother, whom they've learned over the years not to take seriously"


Szalawa, how to put it... Trump has no class and seems to be a bully, he's someone that in Poland could be called a "burak", for example.

I was observing what was going on before the Republican and Democratic nominees were chosen, all this stuff that Trump was saying and how he was saying it. The level was getting lower and lower. Like this, for example:

news.vice.com/article/i-couldve-told-him-mitt-drop-to-your-knees-donald-trump-responds-to-mitt-romney

As for Trump supporters - they seem to like what Trump is saying, how he's saying it, his behaviour, they don't seem to be bothered by his ways and lack of class, so I guess one can make some assumptions about them based on that...


Which university do you attend (if you don't mind saying)?


No, I've never been to the US.


Not the police lol, but male students.


Because you've never attended the university where they were distributed?


Well, I'm sure male students aren't chasing female students down the alleys around the university campuses and raping them en mass... But I'll be honest - after watching that documentary if I were an American parent I'd be worried to send my daughter to an American university... It's not only about the rapes themselves, but the way the universities were (or maybe still are, I don't know) handling those cases. Apparently those universities rely heavily on founding and money come when there are results and good reputation so the university authorities were hushing such stuff and sweeping them under the carpet, harming the victims in the process and allowing the rapists to get away with rape.

I really recommend watching the documentary when you have the chance.
As for visiting - I doubt I will ever visit the US, let alone some university campus, so I'm afraid I'll have to rely on what I find out from the media (and from you as of now ;)).

Btw, those raped girls from the documentary filed a complaint to the Congress about the situation on campuses/colleges based on the Title IX of the Constitution - I guess that's how history is made and world is made a better place :) Those were some brave young women, I admire them, to be honest...


What do you mean?

Btw, I remember reading an article that stated that rapes and attitudes towards rape are the worse in those sport-oriented colleges, where one small town is basically like one big campus or whatever...

It also reminded me of what was said in that documentary about modern sexism in the UK and that it's the members of sport teams at universities that are usually the worse as far as attitudes and the treatment fo women is concerned.

What do you think about that?

To be honest, there was something that I didn't understand while watching that documentary - why the girls simply don't go straight to the police instead of all that hassle with universities' authorities that don't have in their best interest to be known as a "rape university"?

theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/09/the-laws-targeting-campus-rape-culture/404824

A fragment:
"if there was a mandatory requirement to report to law enforcement, few survivors would report. And fewer survivors would get the support they need on campus."

I don't understand this attitude... Rape is a serious crime and not some "campus offence". The victims should be encouraged to report it to the police and the rapist should go to jail.


Ah, at last... Thank you for that, Lenka :)
Btw, it reminded be of the good times during my Taizé stay in Germany - a metro wagon full of youth from Poland singing "Przybyli ułani pod okienko" - boys singing the Uhlans' part and the girls (including me) singing the women's part. The wagon seemed to be shaking from all the singing and the stomping by the boys ;D The poor German passengers... They were probably frightened a bit by those wild hordes from the East :D But it was so much fun lol Crazy people... :)


I personally love "O mój rozmarynie, rozwijaj się" :)

:)

This one is fun:



Hej, hej ułani!
Malowane dzieci!
Niejedna panienka
Za wami poleci...

;D

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I was shocked after watching not long ago a documentary about rapes on American campuses/colleges, to be honest:

imdb.com/title/tt4314944

The shocking thing was not only how often it happened but also the attitudes towards rape, the victims and the rapists among the university authorities, the police and male students (like distributing leaflets among other students advising on how to rape a girl and get away with it).

In the light of this it is especially disgusting what male students at Yale University (sic!) were chanting in front of the Women's Center:

"No means yes! Yes means anal!"

ihollaback.org/blog/2011/03/08/leilas-story-no-means-yes-yes-means-anal-we-love-yale-sluts

So those are the future American elites? No wonder someone like Trump has actually a chance to become the next American president...

Btw, I don't know if you heard about this case:

edition.cnn.com/2016/06/06/us/sexual-assault-brock-turner-stanford

Stanford University swimmer got a six-month jail sentence for raping an unconscious woman. What also hit me in that case was his father's defense of his son. He argued that a long sentence would be "a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action out of his 20 years of life".

It reminded me of what one Soviet officer told the main protagonist of the film "A Woman in Berlin" (based on a memoir by a German woman) when she went to complain about the rapes committed on her and other women by Soviet soldiers. He told her that she's making a big deal out of nothing, or something of this kind, that rape takes only a few minutes - nothing that she and other women can't handle.


Wow, it must be nice to be a man...


If he even gets there...

"Women need to stop spreading their legs like peanut butter" - that's what one of the raped girls in that documentary heard from a policeman when she went to report the rape:

bust.com/general/10833-women-need-to-stop-spreading-their-legs-like-peanut-butter-says-cop-to-rape-victim.html

I've also watched some time ago a documentary about modern sexism in the UK which was also shocking (how many female students are raped after getting drugged by rape pills) and depressing (the attitudes).


Why?
Overwhelming majority of rapes are committed by people known by the victim. One of the girls from that documentary was raped by a friend she knew for over a year. She would visit him often and hang out with him at his place and nothing bad happened. But one time he put something into her drink which made her feel dizzy and weak. He raped her for a long time forcing her to face him during the whole night while he was raping her. This changed her completely.

I wonder how one can trust anyone after something like that?

Mafketis, the fact that rape doesn't happen as often in the West as in Africa doesn't mean that rape isn't a problem, is it? Or sexual harassment?

euronews.com/2016/07/29/enforcing-eu-laws-on-sexual-harassment

"one in two women in the EU have been sexually harassed"

I'm sure many rapes aren't being reported. And sexual harassment. And child abuse (which is, I'm 100% sure, the most unreported of these for obvious reasons). How do I know that? Because I'm a woman myself and there are things that I've experienced from men that I've never told about to anyone - not my parents, not my friends or any man and I will most probably take it to my grave. So what happened to me won't be included in any statistics, reports, etc. As I'm sure is the case with many women (and quite a few men, I imagine).

Btw, until I've heard this song I had no idea that Lady Gaga was raped:

youtube.com/watch?v=wvJt6_vU70c

I must say that I had tears in my eyes when I listened to this. Because it's true: "Till it happens to you, you don't know how it feels"

I also didn't know until I watched a documentary about the rape case of an Israeli Miss World that this funny, cheerful actress, Fran Drescher, who played the main protagonist in the TV series "The Nanny" was raped in her own house by an armed robber in front of her tied up husband who was forced to witness the whole thing. It took Drescher many years to recover, and it took her even longer to tell her story to the press.

It made me wonder how many other women experienced rape or some sort of sexual abuse and we don't know because they don't say anything...

So, maf, please, don't speak so lightly about this... You seem like such a nice, intelligent, normal guy... It's pretty depressing when guys like you have such an attitude...

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


When you live in a neighbourhood where bullets are flying your kid is far less likely to be killed than in a neighbourhood where all some drunks or hooligans can do is throw bottles at each other or stab each other with a knife.

That's two different realites for cops too, don't forget.


Yeah, sure, let's protect the Constitution and the Constitutional Tribunal against PiS with guns! Yay! :D
You gotta love the smell of civil war in the morning :)


Whom?


I don't. The only non-Polish people in open markets in my city are selling watermelons and stuff like that lol Can you imagine someone asking a watermelon seller in front of other buyers (those places are busy) where to buy a gun illegally? :D


Oh, Iron, Iron... You clearly don't live in Poland and don't know people in the Polish countryside and the reality here :)) I know them since I was very little. I know what I'm talking about.


If you could simply walk into a supermarket and buy a gun? Well yes, why not? Rival football ultra groups shooting each other instead of beating each other up. And innocent kids getting in the way. Look at the violence in the stadiums. Or outside of them during Independence March. Instead of throwing rocks hools could start shooting cops. Like in the US when a cop never knows whether a guy in a hoodie is reaching for a pack of cigarettes or a gun.

No, thank you.

Please, Ironside, THINK a little.

Why there is so much gun violence in the US and so little in Poland? Why there are mass shootings in the US and no such thing AT ALL in Poland?

Where do you think an average Pole would like to raise their children?

Iron, you don't live in Poland and I don't think you know what people here think about all this gun stuff in the US. When there's another mass shooting in the US they don't even comment anymore - they just shake their heads. Do you think sane people would like to have any of the gun related problems that you have in the US? Do you think we're suicidal? :D

Why on Earth would we like to have your problems?

Btw, once, in highschool our classmate told us that she met a guy who owned a gun and showed it to her and I think he was even carrying it with him. We all thought right away that he must be some fishy, dangerous guy - probably a criminal and told her to stay away from him. She could have been fantasying though, she liked to show off so it's possible she thought it would be a cool story, I don't know ;)

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Maf, there are no youth gangs shooting kids in the streets in Poland like in the US. OK, that probably has something to do with the amount of drugs in the US and poverty and the ghettoisation of non-white communities but imagine if every football hooligan in Poland could just walk into a supermarket and buy a gun - no thank you...


I wouldn't be so sure, tbh.


I'm not against some citizens legally owning guns. Those who really need it - for personal protection, can have it.
And besides - hunters can own guns in Poland, collectors, people who do shooting for sport, so it's not like it's some kind of total ban or sth.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Could be, maf, but you don't really hear often about gun related violence in Poland.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Russia is sth completely different. Wars in the Caucasus, terrorists, Russian mafia. Huge country too, it's more like US. There are US-like shootings there sometimes (well, not as mass and numerous as in the US, but they do happen) and some time ago there was a grenade thrown at a bus stop or sth in Moscow o_O


Sounds very fishy, one would have to be very desperate to do that or a criminal.

Btw, here's one article:
domowy-survival.pl/2016/01/metody-na-nabycie-broni-palnej-2016

A fragment:

"It should be mentioned that in terms of gun ownership at homes we are not only terribly behind the European Union but even the post-Soviet Russia. The only countries of the Eurokolkhoz where it is more difficult to get guns are Lithuania and Romania."

And I think it is better if it stays that way.


It's incomprehensible for me that one can simply walk into Walmart in the US and buy a gun. That's pure madness for me.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


I couldn't agree more.


Don't be silly, mafketis. Guns are serious stuff. You have to have a permission for a gun. How would you obtain it without one? I guess you would have to contact some gangsters for that - a simply unthinkable option for any normal, ordinary Pole. I doubt anyone would know how to contact those gangsters anyway lol


Yes, mafketis, learning about reality in Poland from a dumb TV show - a brilliant idea :))
I've never seen a gun in real life in my life - only in museums. I've also never seen and never heard of anyone who would own a gun in my grandma's village or nearby. The only people with guns in the area are hunters and, to be honest, even there I haven't heard a gun shot although I was told you can hear it sometimes when they're hunting.

Maybe there are people who have some old guns from WWII stashed somewhere and they didn't register them or whatever but that's all I can think of as far as normal citizens are concerned.

And why people in the countryside would have/need guns anyway? o_O
This is not US, maf ;)

Life / The best online shopping portal in Poland? [41]

Often clothes brands (both Polish and Western ones) have on-line shops on their Polish sites. There are also sites like zalando.pl or bonprix.pl.

As for food - here are some that I've found:

alma24.pl

ezakupy.tesco.pl/groceries/?_ga=1.248116679.1551578666.1471498818

szybkikoszyk.pl

Life / Consumer Rights & Returns in Poland [22]


Oh, I haven't thought of this... That would be cool actually...

Feedback / Polish forums members - please stop being agressive and dishonest. What a waste of potential. [48]


It does, but I read the comments of people I'm discussing with and usually I also bother to google and read stuff before I comment on sth :)


Neither me nor morvinsietform claimed that it does. We both complained about the general atmosphere on this forum, the behaviour of people on PF and the quality of the input of forum members.

Life / Consumer Rights & Returns in Poland [22]


Yes, me too.


Well, if the mouse wasn't faulty and he simply wanted a better model then I don't think PolskiCanuck should be upset with the guy at the store. There are different laws in Poland than in his country apparently and he shouldn't expect that the shop assistant will change them just for him :) (of course, I understand that PolskiCanuck probably didn't know those laws at the time).

Life / Consumer Rights & Returns in Poland [22]

What about stuff like computer monitors? I could use a new one and lately true colours on the computer screen have become important for me, I wouldn't like the screen to be too yellow or too blue so I was wondering if they would let me put, for example, two different monitors next to each other and see how they show colours... What do you think?


What a pun, kpc21 ;D

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Judging by what PolskiCanuck wrote, the mouse wasn't faulty. He simply didn't like the mouse and wanted something better.