Po polsku / Poznać w Polska kobieta [19]

Obawiam się, że do wymiany zdań z nami potrzebowałby czegoś więcej niż umiejętności obsługi Google Translate ;)

Po polsku / Poznać w Polska kobieta [19]

Cześć wredotko :)


;D


A no to już zależy w jakim kręgu kulturowym się chłopak wychował, skoro jest taki "mieszany" to przypuszczam, że bardziej prawdopodobne jest to iż urodził się w Izraelu niż w Iraku, a więc i mentalność może mieć bardziej "europejską". Oczywiście zakładając, że nie jest trollem, który robi sobie z nas jaja :))


No tak, tylko że nasz kolega Izraelita chce z jakiegoś niewytłumaczalnego powodu mieszkać w Polsce, a więc kiszka ;)


Ten argument jest jak zawsze nie do odparcia ;D


xD

Po polsku / Poznać w Polska kobieta [19]

Ostatni cytat jest z komentarza Tamira, przepraszam za pomyłkę!

Study / Study "Dental technician" in Poland and job perspectives there [9]


That's true, I only visit private dentists.

Po polsku / Poznać w Polska kobieta [19]

lol
Ale z Was wredne ludzie :P


Sądząc po tym co napisał w innym temacie na tym forum jest w połowie polskim Żydem, więc w jego pobycie w Izraelu nie widzę nic dziwnego. W drugiej połowie może też być irackim Żydem (albo i nie). Takie "mieszanki" w Izraelu nie są niczym niezwykłym, to chyba raczej norma.


E tam, jak ładny to polubi ;D


Hed, a kiedy poznasz tą polską kobietę to co z nią zrobisz? Sprzedasz i wymienisz na polski paszport? :P
Jeśli tak to.. ojoj.. polska kobieta disapproves:



;D

Life / Differences between Irish, British, Polish, American and other nations culture, tradition, music - loose talk [241]


Could you quote the part where it says so?


No, I mean this:

"In the book, Dunham writes about being sexually assaulted by an Oberlin College classmate, which resulted in controversy over the accuracy of her account and a case of mistaken identity when a former Oberlin College student named Barry (...) sought legal advice to ensure people didn't associate him with the content."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lena_Dunham#Related_controversies


Ah, but that's not so simple, you see... Joan Collins, for example, married the man who raped her when she was 17 (he took her virginity as far as I remember), for example. It's common practice in Africa...

There's also marital rape.
I remember reading a thread on some Polish site for women made by a woman who was raped by her husband anally and was asking whether this was rape because she didn't want anal sex, she thought it's going to be normal sex from behind but her husband lay down on her when she was on her belly and took her anally, pressed her down, held her hands and kept going despite the fact that she was saying "no" and cried and was asking him to stop (she was in great pain obviously)...

And what do you do in such a case?

There can be issues with... communication too, btw. I remember reading an article about a thread that was made by someone on reddit - the author of the thread asked rapists to tell their stories and why they raped. This thread was such a rare opportunity to get into rapists minds and hear their versions of what happened that it was even analysed by serious scientific researches. One of the things that the author of the article noticed in part of those accounts was that men were so much "into the action" that they wouldn't even bother to look in the women's faces to check whether everything's OK and whether the women like what they're doing or not or whether they even want sex or not. No eye contact or anything. There was this story of a guy, for example, who, as he thought, had sex with his girlfriend only to find her later on crying in another room.

Some women may have problems with saying "no" when they don't want to have sex, especially the young ones. I remember reading an article in "Gazeta Wyborcza" on some different topic - it was a long interview with a psychologist and sexuologist on sexual issues. A young couple came to him because they had a problem with their sex life. The girl didn't want to have sex with the boy despite early on they had sex and there were no problems. He asked the couple whether something unusual or bad happened. They said that no, nothing. So he asked when the girl started to dislike having sex with her boyfriend. They remembered that it was after a music festival they both attended. So he asked whether something happened at that festival. They said that no, not really. It turned out at last that when the boyfriend and the girlfriend went to the toilet there were some guys over there and they started touching the girl. She didn't like it but the boyfriend liked it and told her not to resist. All of the guys, including the boyfriend had sex with her. The sexuologist told the interviewer: "Do you understand? She was raped and she didn't even realise it..."

I think young people especially should be educated about such issues and not only that they should use condoms, etc. You know, the psychological aspect of sex, about consent, etc. Girls should be taught that they don't always have to agree to everything if they don't want it, don't like it, etc. And boys should be taught that they should accept it and respect their will and that real life is no internet porn.


O____O

Well, thank you, I guess you learn something all your life lol
I must admit I couldn't get through the whole thing... This really takes the biscuit though:
"The vagina's primary function isn't to be penetrated by a penis but to eject a baby for birth. (...) Penetration of the penis into the vagina is completely unnecessary for conception." :D

Btw, I once read a "feminist" interpretation of a fragment in "The Lord of the Rings" by Tolkien. Some feminist critic wrote that the tunel where the giant spider Shelob lived symbolises Tolkien's fear of vagina ;D When I read that I was like: O___O'

:D

I guess there are loonies in every movement. At the other side of the scale are the masculinists, or red pillers or whatever they call themselves. I read their theories about women with wide open eyes too ;D I mean men like that Roosh V guy and his followers on his blog and forum - it's like reading comments of some Taliban men living in a God forsaken village in Afghanistan... You know - giving women voting rights was a mistake, giving them education was a mistake, women should live with their parents until they marry, etc. I hope such men won't come to power ever again in our part of the world - that would be scary... I'm not kidding...

There are also, as it turns out, such cases:

telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11633305/University-union-officer-who-wrote-kill-all-white-men-tweet-will-remain-in-post.html

And there's this:

telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11618108/Goldsmiths-University-diversity-officer-row-This-is-not-hate-speech.html

"Put simply: men cannot experience sexism and white people cannot experience racism. And as an ethnic minority woman she can be accused of neither."

Of course, I don't agree with this.
I have an impression that this is some kind of Western sickness - the conviction that only certain groups can experience prejudice and discrimination and the rest is off limits.

It's like some people in the West can't think in a logical way anymore and lost their empathy at some point, I don't know...


I know, Atch, I know, you're just better than everyone else ;D And the Irish/British people are better than Poles and Irish/British cakes are better than Polish ones, etc. etc. :))

Oh, and "Polish members here, be they men or women, they have that heavy footed, brusque way, like a bull in a china shop", except for Ziemowit, of course, who has that "rather charming side which clearly indicates that" he "must have Irish blood somewhere :))"

You're such a lovely and gracious girl, Atch :)
As for putting whatever behind then I did my best not to comment on your posts on that "Polish guy and courting? Confusion." thread despite the fact that I didn't like that much the way you treated Myself.


No, I haven't yet. I decided after my last post to gather some information, articles that I found to be interesting and photos for that thread and make some translations but it turned out to be pretty time consuming and I had to put it away for some time. Hopefully I'll get back to that and to that discussion in September maybe (if I won't forget ;/).


But nobody claims it's the same thing. I simply pointed out that yes, there are well known Polish folk/traditional songs, songs of past struggle and lost love or whatever. The fact that you haven't heard anyone singing them doesn't mean that people don't sing them. Or that they don't know them as you claim.

You wrote "The culture in Poland now is MacDonalds, KFC and TK Maxx" which is simply not true. No matter whether it's "heading this way" in your opinion or not.


Have you ever talked with female students at your campus about such stuff?


Now wait a minute... I know that he cheated on her but "rapes and sexual assaults"? That's the first I hear of this. Any links?


Oh come on... :D And conservative youth doesn't go to universities? :) What difference does it make anyway...? o_O Rape is a rape, no matter whether it was done by someone with liberal or conservative views.


You know, such "trolling" sounds disgusting and scary for a woman. Especially that rapes do happen at colleges/campuses. So it's not a joking matter...


Well, what if some boys/men are idiots and they have to be clearly reminded of the fact that "no means no"?
Or do you think such posters simply don't work or are counterproductive somehow?

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Yes, it's very nice and pretty fast lol I remember learning it to play on flute at school. But people don't really sing it.


True, it's the classic of classics ;) You can hear it both at wedding parties and sang by tipsy football fans lol


Yeah, I know what you mean, I reached a boiling point with Atch at some point too...

Btw, at family campfires in the countryside we would sing all kind of songs, but my favourite is "Ach, kieleckie, jakie cudne" (probably known only in my region, I imagine):

interklasa.pl/portal/dokumenty/m016/piosenkizkieleckiego.html

Melody (more or less):

youtube.com/watch?v=sijA9ynjhVc

We would sing it at every campfire and during evening walks down the roads outside the village when we were walking by the forests and the meadows and to the river. We would always end the walk at the river to watch the sunset over the forest and then my mum, my aunts, my female cousins and me would sing this song... It was a kind of tradition of ours :) You could especially hear the nostalgia in my aunt's voice who's been living for years in Wrocław now but was born and grew up here...

I also know those "Kare konie, kare" - it cracks me up:

"Kare kónie, kare tylko nie grzywiate,
ładne te kielcanki, tylko niebogate.
Dana da oj dana, dana da oj dana,"

;D


I agree. That's the problem I often had (and still do, I guess) with some of the Western posters here - instead of just attacking the attacker (usually a Pole or a Polish-American) they would attack Poland/Poles/anything Polish or American Polonia in general. I think that's rather childish and counterproductive. Adult people should be able to control themselves better. On the other hand maybe it simply shows what they really think, I don't know...


It would be enough if the victims were treated seriously and the sentences were adequate... I remember watching the reading of the sentence at that monster Ariel Castro trial live on CNN or BBC - I think the judge was giving a seperate sentence for every rape he committed on those women - my God, it was a pleasure to watch...


I always wonder how they make those statistics, tbh, considering that so many rapes go unreported...

A fragment from your link:

"Unfortunately, according to data from the BJS study, a huge percentage of sexual assaults - upwards of 80 percent for female college students - go unreported, and students who are victimized are far less likely to report the crime than are non-student victims"

:/


I don't know what's that, sorry :)


Oh, come on, that's nonsense, where did you get that? lol


What do you mean by "many"? In that documentary about rapes at college campuses it was said that the percentage of false rape reports is the same as in the case of other falsely reported crimes. So which feminists claim that there are no false rape claims at all?


I've read the bit on Wikipedia about it - she didn't report a rape to the police or anything. She just described a sexual assault in her book and it seems the problem was more the case of mistaken identity?


Well, I can't say I know "most feminists" to able to make such claims :)

Life / Differences between Irish, British, Polish, American and other nations culture, tradition, music - loose talk [241]


Generally the Ivy League universities were mentioned, so that includes Trump's university.

You know, I'm not terribly impressed with Clinton either but comparing rape and politics is a bit too much for me considering the subject of real rape is being discussed right now and not some metaphoric one...


That's good to know, but how do you know that? Have you ever attended Yale University?
In one of the links I provided it was stated:

"For years now I have been deeply concerned by a yearly ritual verbal assault on women by a fraternity at Yale in my home town of New Haven. Every year the new pledges are gathered in front of the Women's Center and told to chant phrases like, "No means yes, yes means anal", "We love Yale sluts."

So it was going on for years. To be honest, I can't imagine sth like that happening at a Polish university, especially a prestigious one. American male students sound like total retards, judging by this.


Actually, I did this for a reason because I've remembered this article that I've read quite some time ago:

thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/20/why-hillary-s-going-to-have-a-hard-time-playing-the-woman-card-against-trump.html

Two fragments that I had in mind when I was writing about Trump:

"Trump is more like the average man than some of us thought only with more ego and money to say what he actually thinks, and to date who he actually wants to."

"For starters, as the women defending Trump and denouncing the Times piece prove, there are plenty of women who are not shocked by Trump's treatment of women because he simply sounds like an amplified version of their occasionally obnoxious father, husband, boss, or brother, whom they've learned over the years not to take seriously"


Szalawa, how to put it... Trump has no class and seems to be a bully, he's someone that in Poland could be called a "burak", for example.

I was observing what was going on before the Republican and Democratic nominees were chosen, all this stuff that Trump was saying and how he was saying it. The level was getting lower and lower. Like this, for example:

news.vice.com/article/i-couldve-told-him-mitt-drop-to-your-knees-donald-trump-responds-to-mitt-romney

As for Trump supporters - they seem to like what Trump is saying, how he's saying it, his behaviour, they don't seem to be bothered by his ways and lack of class, so I guess one can make some assumptions about them based on that...


Which university do you attend (if you don't mind saying)?


No, I've never been to the US.


Not the police lol, but male students.


Because you've never attended the university where they were distributed?


Well, I'm sure male students aren't chasing female students down the alleys around the university campuses and raping them en mass... But I'll be honest - after watching that documentary if I were an American parent I'd be worried to send my daughter to an American university... It's not only about the rapes themselves, but the way the universities were (or maybe still are, I don't know) handling those cases. Apparently those universities rely heavily on founding and money come when there are results and good reputation so the university authorities were hushing such stuff and sweeping them under the carpet, harming the victims in the process and allowing the rapists to get away with rape.

I really recommend watching the documentary when you have the chance.
As for visiting - I doubt I will ever visit the US, let alone some university campus, so I'm afraid I'll have to rely on what I find out from the media (and from you as of now ;)).

Btw, those raped girls from the documentary filed a complaint to the Congress about the situation on campuses/colleges based on the Title IX of the Constitution - I guess that's how history is made and world is made a better place :) Those were some brave young women, I admire them, to be honest...


What do you mean?

Btw, I remember reading an article that stated that rapes and attitudes towards rape are the worse in those sport-oriented colleges, where one small town is basically like one big campus or whatever...

It also reminded me of what was said in that documentary about modern sexism in the UK and that it's the members of sport teams at universities that are usually the worse as far as attitudes and the treatment fo women is concerned.

What do you think about that?

To be honest, there was something that I didn't understand while watching that documentary - why the girls simply don't go straight to the police instead of all that hassle with universities' authorities that don't have in their best interest to be known as a "rape university"?

theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/09/the-laws-targeting-campus-rape-culture/404824

A fragment:
"if there was a mandatory requirement to report to law enforcement, few survivors would report. And fewer survivors would get the support they need on campus."

I don't understand this attitude... Rape is a serious crime and not some "campus offence". The victims should be encouraged to report it to the police and the rapist should go to jail.


Ah, at last... Thank you for that, Lenka :)
Btw, it reminded be of the good times during my Taizé stay in Germany - a metro wagon full of youth from Poland singing "Przybyli ułani pod okienko" - boys singing the Uhlans' part and the girls (including me) singing the women's part. The wagon seemed to be shaking from all the singing and the stomping by the boys ;D The poor German passengers... They were probably frightened a bit by those wild hordes from the East :D But it was so much fun lol Crazy people... :)


I personally love "O mój rozmarynie, rozwijaj się" :)

:)

This one is fun:



Hej, hej ułani!
Malowane dzieci!
Niejedna panienka
Za wami poleci...

;D

Life / Differences between Irish, British, Polish, American and other nations culture, tradition, music - loose talk [241]


I was shocked after watching not long ago a documentary about rapes on American campuses/colleges, to be honest:

imdb.com/title/tt4314944

The shocking thing was not only how often it happened but also the attitudes towards rape, the victims and the rapists among the university authorities, the police and male students (like distributing leaflets among other students advising on how to rape a girl and get away with it).

In the light of this it is especially disgusting what male students at Yale University (sic!) were chanting in front of the Women's Center:

"No means yes! Yes means anal!"

ihollaback.org/blog/2011/03/08/leilas-story-no-means-yes-yes-means-anal-we-love-yale-sluts

So those are the future American elites? No wonder someone like Trump has actually a chance to become the next American president...

Btw, I don't know if you heard about this case:

edition.cnn.com/2016/06/06/us/sexual-assault-brock-turner-stanford

Stanford University swimmer got a six-month jail sentence for raping an unconscious woman. What also hit me in that case was his father's defense of his son. He argued that a long sentence would be "a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action out of his 20 years of life".

It reminded me of what one Soviet officer told the main protagonist of the film "A Woman in Berlin" (based on a memoir by a German woman) when she went to complain about the rapes committed on her and other women by Soviet soldiers. He told her that she's making a big deal out of nothing, or something of this kind, that rape takes only a few minutes - nothing that she and other women can't handle.


Wow, it must be nice to be a man...


If he even gets there...

"Women need to stop spreading their legs like peanut butter" - that's what one of the raped girls in that documentary heard from a policeman when she went to report the rape:

bust.com/general/10833-women-need-to-stop-spreading-their-legs-like-peanut-butter-says-cop-to-rape-victim.html

I've also watched some time ago a documentary about modern sexism in the UK which was also shocking (how many female students are raped after getting drugged by rape pills) and depressing (the attitudes).


Why?
Overwhelming majority of rapes are committed by people known by the victim. One of the girls from that documentary was raped by a friend she knew for over a year. She would visit him often and hang out with him at his place and nothing bad happened. But one time he put something into her drink which made her feel dizzy and weak. He raped her for a long time forcing her to face him during the whole night while he was raping her. This changed her completely.

I wonder how one can trust anyone after something like that?

Mafketis, the fact that rape doesn't happen as often in the West as in Africa doesn't mean that rape isn't a problem, is it? Or sexual harassment?

euronews.com/2016/07/29/enforcing-eu-laws-on-sexual-harassment

"one in two women in the EU have been sexually harassed"

I'm sure many rapes aren't being reported. And sexual harassment. And child abuse (which is, I'm 100% sure, the most unreported of these for obvious reasons). How do I know that? Because I'm a woman myself and there are things that I've experienced from men that I've never told about to anyone - not my parents, not my friends or any man and I will most probably take it to my grave. So what happened to me won't be included in any statistics, reports, etc. As I'm sure is the case with many women (and quite a few men, I imagine).

Btw, until I've heard this song I had no idea that Lady Gaga was raped:

youtube.com/watch?v=wvJt6_vU70c

I must say that I had tears in my eyes when I listened to this. Because it's true: "Till it happens to you, you don't know how it feels"

I also didn't know until I watched a documentary about the rape case of an Israeli Miss World that this funny, cheerful actress, Fran Drescher, who played the main protagonist in the TV series "The Nanny" was raped in her own house by an armed robber in front of her tied up husband who was forced to witness the whole thing. It took Drescher many years to recover, and it took her even longer to tell her story to the press.

It made me wonder how many other women experienced rape or some sort of sexual abuse and we don't know because they don't say anything...

So, maf, please, don't speak so lightly about this... You seem like such a nice, intelligent, normal guy... It's pretty depressing when guys like you have such an attitude...

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


When you live in a neighbourhood where bullets are flying your kid is far less likely to be killed than in a neighbourhood where all some drunks or hooligans can do is throw bottles at each other or stab each other with a knife.

That's two different realites for cops too, don't forget.


Yeah, sure, let's protect the Constitution and the Constitutional Tribunal against PiS with guns! Yay! :D
You gotta love the smell of civil war in the morning :)


Whom?


I don't. The only non-Polish people in open markets in my city are selling watermelons and stuff like that lol Can you imagine someone asking a watermelon seller in front of other buyers (those places are busy) where to buy a gun illegally? :D


Oh, Iron, Iron... You clearly don't live in Poland and don't know people in the Polish countryside and the reality here :)) I know them since I was very little. I know what I'm talking about.


If you could simply walk into a supermarket and buy a gun? Well yes, why not? Rival football ultra groups shooting each other instead of beating each other up. And innocent kids getting in the way. Look at the violence in the stadiums. Or outside of them during Independence March. Instead of throwing rocks hools could start shooting cops. Like in the US when a cop never knows whether a guy in a hoodie is reaching for a pack of cigarettes or a gun.

No, thank you.

Please, Ironside, THINK a little.

Why there is so much gun violence in the US and so little in Poland? Why there are mass shootings in the US and no such thing AT ALL in Poland?

Where do you think an average Pole would like to raise their children?

Iron, you don't live in Poland and I don't think you know what people here think about all this gun stuff in the US. When there's another mass shooting in the US they don't even comment anymore - they just shake their heads. Do you think sane people would like to have any of the gun related problems that you have in the US? Do you think we're suicidal? :D

Why on Earth would we like to have your problems?

Btw, once, in highschool our classmate told us that she met a guy who owned a gun and showed it to her and I think he was even carrying it with him. We all thought right away that he must be some fishy, dangerous guy - probably a criminal and told her to stay away from him. She could have been fantasying though, she liked to show off so it's possible she thought it would be a cool story, I don't know ;)

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Maf, there are no youth gangs shooting kids in the streets in Poland like in the US. OK, that probably has something to do with the amount of drugs in the US and poverty and the ghettoisation of non-white communities but imagine if every football hooligan in Poland could just walk into a supermarket and buy a gun - no thank you...


I wouldn't be so sure, tbh.


I'm not against some citizens legally owning guns. Those who really need it - for personal protection, can have it.
And besides - hunters can own guns in Poland, collectors, people who do shooting for sport, so it's not like it's some kind of total ban or sth.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Could be, maf, but you don't really hear often about gun related violence in Poland.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Russia is sth completely different. Wars in the Caucasus, terrorists, Russian mafia. Huge country too, it's more like US. There are US-like shootings there sometimes (well, not as mass and numerous as in the US, but they do happen) and some time ago there was a grenade thrown at a bus stop or sth in Moscow o_O


Sounds very fishy, one would have to be very desperate to do that or a criminal.

Btw, here's one article:
domowy-survival.pl/2016/01/metody-na-nabycie-broni-palnej-2016

A fragment:

"It should be mentioned that in terms of gun ownership at homes we are not only terribly behind the European Union but even the post-Soviet Russia. The only countries of the Eurokolkhoz where it is more difficult to get guns are Lithuania and Romania."

And I think it is better if it stays that way.


It's incomprehensible for me that one can simply walk into Walmart in the US and buy a gun. That's pure madness for me.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


I couldn't agree more.


Don't be silly, mafketis. Guns are serious stuff. You have to have a permission for a gun. How would you obtain it without one? I guess you would have to contact some gangsters for that - a simply unthinkable option for any normal, ordinary Pole. I doubt anyone would know how to contact those gangsters anyway lol


Yes, mafketis, learning about reality in Poland from a dumb TV show - a brilliant idea :))
I've never seen a gun in real life in my life - only in museums. I've also never seen and never heard of anyone who would own a gun in my grandma's village or nearby. The only people with guns in the area are hunters and, to be honest, even there I haven't heard a gun shot although I was told you can hear it sometimes when they're hunting.

Maybe there are people who have some old guns from WWII stashed somewhere and they didn't register them or whatever but that's all I can think of as far as normal citizens are concerned.

And why people in the countryside would have/need guns anyway? o_O
This is not US, maf ;)

Life / The best online shopping portal in Poland? [41]

Often clothes brands (both Polish and Western ones) have on-line shops on their Polish sites. There are also sites like zalando.pl or bonprix.pl.

As for food - here are some that I've found:

alma24.pl

ezakupy.tesco.pl/groceries/?_ga=1.248116679.1551578666.1471498818

szybkikoszyk.pl

Life / Consumer Rights & Returns in Poland [22]


Oh, I haven't thought of this... That would be cool actually...

Feedback / Polish forums members - please stop being agressive and dishonest. What a waste of potential. [48]


It does, but I read the comments of people I'm discussing with and usually I also bother to google and read stuff before I comment on sth :)


Neither me nor morvinsietform claimed that it does. We both complained about the general atmosphere on this forum, the behaviour of people on PF and the quality of the input of forum members.

Life / Consumer Rights & Returns in Poland [22]


Yes, me too.


Well, if the mouse wasn't faulty and he simply wanted a better model then I don't think PolskiCanuck should be upset with the guy at the store. There are different laws in Poland than in his country apparently and he shouldn't expect that the shop assistant will change them just for him :) (of course, I understand that PolskiCanuck probably didn't know those laws at the time).

Life / Consumer Rights & Returns in Poland [22]

What about stuff like computer monitors? I could use a new one and lately true colours on the computer screen have become important for me, I wouldn't like the screen to be too yellow or too blue so I was wondering if they would let me put, for example, two different monitors next to each other and see how they show colours... What do you think?


What a pun, kpc21 ;D

Life / Consumer Rights & Returns in Poland [22]


Judging by what PolskiCanuck wrote, the mouse wasn't faulty. He simply didn't like the mouse and wanted something better.

Feedback / Polish forums members - please stop being agressive and dishonest. What a waste of potential. [48]

You should read more, jon357, it broadens horizons and you could learn a thing or two - one is never too old to learn, we learn all our lives :)


What do you mean by that?

Feedback / Polish forums members - please stop being agressive and dishonest. What a waste of potential. [48]

Morvinsietform, you pretty much, more or less, summed up my feelings about this forum and some people here. There's a bitter and agressive atmosphere on PF and people who stay here longer often get dragged into it. There are two camps fighting with each other and this seems to be the core of this forum nowadays. It got especially ugly lately with some members trying to get each other fired in real life jobs - can you believe it? It's psychotic, I've never seen anything like this on any internet forum.


Jon357 blaming PF problems on Poland. Unbelievable.
I've never met in Poland people who would love to argue like you guys here. And in a very, very nasty way too.

I am myself tired of the atmosphere on PF, of those two gangs arguing with each other like children. I don't think this should be the core of a forum like this but it is. After pigsy was banned I decided to do sth good, sth useful for the forum and so I helped some people out with info and got involved in some normal-looking, interesting discussion in order to focus on sth normal and not on the bickering and the drama of PF but this forum somehow always puts me off in the end and I need to take brakes from it.

Of course, I don't have to be here, obviously, I've seen people here being told in the past that "if you can't take it than leave", that it's a "specific" forum for thick-skinned people, or sth of this sort. Well, and there you have it - rhinos trashing each other lol

As jon357 put it - each to their own I suppose...

Pity there's no other forum though... Maybe if women set up one it would be less aggressive? lol Dunno... :)


My impression is that those are usually trolls, or maybe rather one particular troll.

Life / Consumer Rights & Returns in Poland [22]


That's the thing, from what I've understood from PolskiCanuck's post the mouse worked and wasn't damaged, he simply wasn't satisfied with what he got for the money he paid. I don't see why the store would have to take the mouse back, especially if it was opened and used. Stores are stores and not some rental places, after all.

I know that, for example, you can return clothes bought at Biedronka (maybe at other places too, like Lidl, etc.) during 5 days due to the fact that you can't try them on in the store, only at home. This seems logical to me.

Life / Consumer Rights & Returns in Poland [22]

Was it faulty or damaged?


Do the store rules say that you can return nonfaulty product within 14 days? I think you can return a product if you change your mind about it within some period of time if you buy something on the internet, but in case of real life stores that probably depends on the store's policy...

Love / What do you like most about Polish girls? :) [120]


That's wonderful and I hope it will stay that way ;D


A "lesbian"? o_O


Yes, yes, sure, it's just, you see, I've seen many, many opinions of Western men claiming the same about Polish women vs. their own "arrogant nasty hating-men Western b1tches, etc. etc.". It seems the grass is always greener on the other side :) At least, for this "special" type of men ;D

So, I don't think I'm going to treat seriously anything a man says about women of any nationality anymore (including you, of course, sorry) lol


Oh, I'm sure it would be. But it looks like Polish women have better things to do than backbite Polish men on a foreign forum :)

Of course, I could post links in Polish about Polish men but I've been always defending Polish men on this forum and I think I'll show mercy this time too lol

Language / Ethnic backround of suffixes of Polish surnames [54]

Poleboy765, your looks don't really matter much in this case, because the origin of your surname is known and documented. Surname Kurek is related to the surname Kur, which is, as you already know, a surname of a Polish knighthood family that originated from Mazovia in medieval Poland:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurowie

Kurowie were a medieval chivalric clan from Mazovia region in Poland that gave rise to a vast heraldic family:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldic_family

Among the surnames within this heraldic family with the same root are: Kur, Kurek, Kurski, Kurzewski, Kurak, Kurakowski, Kurowski, Kurzecki, Kurzyk, Kurzyna. Most of those families have also a common genealogical root since they have one common ancestor that bore a nickname known in Mazovia - "Kur".

The word "kur" is an old Polish word for a rooster (it's still used in some regions in Poland apparently).
You probably already know the legend explaining the origin of the surname Kur and of the coat of arms of your family: one night a knight noticed enemies approaching his king's camp and he alarmed the camp - he woke them up as a rooster wakes up everyone in the morning with his "Cock-a-doodle-doo!". In gratitude the king granted him this coat of arms.

According to an article on Wikipedia your knightly ancestors ended up in Mazovia in order to defend it from the Baltic Prussians - Konrad I of Masovia asked the first missionary bishop of Prussia, Christian of Oliva, to set up a military chivalric order that would protect the borders of his lands from the attacks of Prussian pagans and so the bishop created the Order of Dobrzyń:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Dobrzy%C5%84

The cadre of the order consisted of 14 knights-monks, some of which came from the city Basedow in Mecklenburg (a historical region in northern Germany). For this mission the knights were picked by the Duke of Mecklenburg, John I, from among knights connected to a powerful aristocratic family Hahn-Basedow:

wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Hahn

The coat of arms of this family was a Rooster. This powerful chivalric family was of Slavic origin, they came to Mecklenburg from Courland ("Kurlandia" in Polish):

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courland

Their coat of arms was called "Kur" in Poland and the members of the family were called "Kurowie" among Poles and in Silesia the coat of arms and the family was called "Kokoty" (Old Polish name for a rooster). So, the family Kokotowie are also your heraldic kin.

With time it also became the battle cry of this chivarlic formation which later became the heraldic family known as Kurowie.
This military chivarlic group was being joined during the course of time by Masovians who, in line with the custom at that time, were adopting the sign of their leader - the Rooster (Kur). Since the 1222 the ranks of the Order of Dobrzyń were being joined by Mazovian knights. The name of a village Kurów and a river Kurówka comes from the stronghold set up by the order, according to Stanisław Hr. Mieroszowski:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w

Source: pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurowie_(r%C3%B3d_rycerski)

Your surname is Kurek, but a noble family as whole is called in plural "Kurkowie".
The suffix "-ek" in Polish usually denotes a diminutive. "Kot" is a "cat" and "kotek" is a little cat. So, "kur" is a rooster, and "kurek" is a small rooster.


I don't understand - her first name is Janina and her middle name is Janinówna? What's her surname then? Janinowska? ;))


Surname "Boyer" seems to be extremely rare in Poland but it can be found:
moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/boyer.html

It's more popular in Germany:
verwandt.de/karten/absolut/boyer.html

It can also be found in Switzerland, for example.
It could be German or Jewish. It reminds me of the German surname Bayer - maybe it's a variation of this surname, I really don't know.


How can you be so sure that it's Armenian? o_O


Suffix "-ys" denotes either Lithuanian roots or it means that a foreigner lived in Lithuania and his surname was Lithuaniazed ("his" because it's a male ending of a surname).

Source: pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/Aneks:J%C4%99zyk_litewski_-_rzeczownik

Genealogy / The typical Polish look, or all Eastern Europeans [676]

Poleboy765, I think that you look more Russian than Polish (maybe such looks are more common in Eastern Poland). I agree with Ziemowit - there's something "foreign" about your face (I'd say that you look "American" :)).


What kind of info are you looking for?

If you come from the nobilty then that would be the coat of arms of your family:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur_coat_of_arms

Love / What do you like most about Polish girls? :) [120]


Hmm, wait a minute, I thought that someone who's having sex for money is called "a prostitute" or "a sex worker" and not "a slu*t".

I always thought that "a slu*t" is a word for a woman who's having sex with many men for free.
Let's look at the definitions, shall we :)

urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slut

slut

1. a woman with the morals of a man (I particularly love this one :D)
2. Someone who provides a very needed service for the community and sleeps with everyone (...) These are great people, and without them sex crimes would definitely increase."

3. A derogatory term. Refers to a sexually promiscuous person, usually female.

I find the definition nr 5 to be the most reasonable.

You know, I've been wondering since some time why men have to be so vile when talking about women, why they have this need to degrade them in case of anything related to sex.

Redwolf, what is your problem with prostitutes? Did they do something bad to you? I would understand such venom/hate/contempt directed at a pedophile who raped a bunch of kids or a drunk driver who ran over your dog, but if it wasn't for prostitutes probably quite a few boys/men wouldn't have sex in their lifetime. So why this hate?

Did you know that many prostitutes were sexually abused during childhood? Or that many of them are actually victims of human trafficking (it often happens that "they" charge very little)? You know nothing about them, you don't know their stories, what they've been through, so I would advise you to hold your tongue.

And what if they charged more than a few euro for "licking your anus" - would that make you respect them more? lol So how much in your opinion would that be? 10 euro? 20 euro? 100? 200? A thousand?

No matter how much money they charge - they're still people with feelings (in case you forgot about that). Just like garbage collectors and cleaning ladies. Noone wants to end up as one but someone has to do their job so have some respect for your fellow human beings.

Of course, I'm not writing this only to Redwolf (the addressees probably know who they are).

I used to use the word "slu*t" too in the past, but I got wiser and became more mature and humane than this.

Almost every man is "a slu*t" but somehow they're not being called names.


I find it interesting that for quite some time Polish women weren't discussed on this forum (to my great relief lol) but suddenly after my comment in which I wrote about two intelligent, educated, successful young women who happen to be members of my family K1907 appeared who's probably a troll that frequents this forum provoking men like you to show their true colours.

And look at you - you registered on this forum only to make a misogynistic comment.


What's wrong Rumcajs, they didn't want to be "jebane" by you? lol
And the other half is what? "Dojebane chłopki"?
Sometimes I wish Polish women would come here and for a change share their thoughts about Polish men. Who knows, maybe their opinion would be that half of the "boys" (late 20'- early 30') they met are "jebane świnie"? Hopefully you would agree despite the foul language used (looks like you don't mind such language anyway)? :)

Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]


Cool, thanks :)


Yes, it was published in Polish in Poland in 1936 in a Jewish newspaper called "Nasz Przegląd".
I found the book so I'll probably first read "The Promised Land" and then "The Brothers Ashkenazi" and I'll have two viewpoints covered :)

Btw, as for "The Promised Land" directed by Andrzej Wajda... Whenever I was looking for info about it on the internet it was usually accompanied by information that it was the second film adaptation of this book. The first one was done by Aleksander Hertz. I didn't pay much attention to it as I haven't heard about this Hertz guy nor about his adaptation before so I figured the film must be old or not very good. Then I started thinking about his surname... "Hertz... Hertz... What if he was Jewish?"

And so I googled him and... bingo!:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksander_Hertz

He was a Polish film director with Jewish roots :D He was also a film producer and a founder of the first Polish film studio called Sfinks. His adaptation took place in the 1920's though (the film was made in 1927) and he changed the ending.

Would they also consider him an anti-Semite and his film anti-Semitic in the West, I wonder? ;)
Unfortunately the film was lost, so we'll never find out... Pity...
But you gotta love this twist ;D Liev Schreiber could make a film about it :)


I think it probably has a lot to do with upbringing, what parts of brain are developed during childhood, what neuron connections are made at that time and then reinforced later on.

Russians love chess, ballet, ice skating and they excel at it - they send kids to classes, kids who are just a few years old are already ice skating.

My mum is a bookworm, for example, and she was often reading a lot of stuff to me when I was a kid to a point that I learned "Pchła Szachrajka" by Jan Brzechwa by heart when I was just a kid. When I was a teenager I loved to play chess with my younger female cousins and at some point the younger one started beating her father in chess and when our grandma killed a rooster for a Sunday chicken soup or if they found a dead rat somewhere they would analyse their intestines while everyone else was going like "Ewww, gross..." lol The younger one is now studying IT engineering (or sth of this sort, I don't even remember the name of her studies, it's all rocket science for me anyway lol) and the other cousin is lecturing biotechnology at a univeristy and is making some stuff for a cosmetics brand.

So I ended up having a more humanist mind (you can probably tell by the length of my posts lol) and my cousins have rather scientific minds.

I've discussed for quite some time with one chess grandmaster, a chess trainer and writer - he was the first Pole to brake the level of 2700 points in chess rating system (he was ranked number ten in the world at that time), he represents Poland at international competitions winning medals and stuff, in 2010 - 2014 he was a coach of the Polish national team... but, yeah, he's Russian ;)

Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]


Yes, my point was that not only Poles complain about how they're portrayed in the West.


I've seen a documentary (probably on sth like National Geographic or Discovery Channel) about an African-American athlete who was tracking his roots and was trying to find out why African-Americans excel at sports. According to this documentary it was due to slave trade. The most fit slaves were bought, obviously, and later on... they were bred like animals... to get even more fit and stronger slaves - the best exemplars of male slaves were forced to "mate" with the best exemplars of female slaves (so, women were basically raped). Also, African-Americans in the US are apparently prone to diabetes because of the slave trade - traders were feeding slaves with high glycemic foods so they would put on weight fast and cheaply before putting them on sale.


Well, that's an interesting point but the same could be said about anything relating to Poles in any film, book, play, painting, etc.
For example, some people in Poland claimed that film "Ida" is just going to reinforce the stereotype of Poles-anti-Semites-mudering-Jews in the West and that it shouldn't get an Oscar (and some others claimed that it will reinforce a stereotype of communist-Pole-hating-Jews in Poland). The same was said by some Poles about German TV series "Our Mothers, Our Fathers". I can imagine what was said by Russians about the film "A Woman in Berlin" (about Soviet rapes in Berlin).

I could go on and on like this. It could lead to some complete absurdity... I've seen a lovely Israeli film at a Polish film channel titled "Wypełnić pustkę" (org. title: "Lemale et ha'halal") about Hasidic community in Israel. For me the film was interesting, warm and charming but I bet an anti-Semite would find something in it to hate on the Jews - after all, a young woman is pressured into a marriage and one could assume that Hasidic men are alcoholics because one of the men gets drunk at least twice lol In fact, probably one could find something negative in every Israeli film I've seen in Poland (because Jews are humans and they ain't perfect, I guess lol) and if some businessman would think that those films will make people more anti-Semitic and bought the rights to distribution of these films in Poland I wouldn't be able to watch anything made in Israel lol

So, my point is - people are different, they have different views and levels of oversensitiveness, so who is to decide what people should see and what they shouldn't see?

Should art be censored?


I would say that if the film wasn't meant to be antisemitic in the original context then that businessman was wrong.
I don't think I've seen it but I really doubt there was any ill intent on the part of Wajda, not only judging by his track record but also judging by what he said in an interview even before filming "The Promised Land":

"This special Polish-German-Jewish conglomerate of Łódź at that time is immensely interesting, it hits you with colours, diversity, customary variety of characters and behaviours. But I think that on the screen - and here I'm counting on the actors - great, rich characters will be portrayed; I'd like the viewers to be more interested in their actions than their ethnicity."

Quote source: lodz.wyborcza.pl/lodz/1,35153,19638794,zmarl-andrzej-zulawski-to-on-namowil-wajde-na-ziemie-obiecana.html

And anyway, buying out the rights to an Oscar nominated film (if it was so "anti-Semitic" then why it was nominated in the first place, right? lol) to prevent it from being shown in the cinemas seems like a very drastic step to me o_O I don't know how anti-Semitic or anti-Polish a film or a book would have to be for me to agree with something like that...


Well, at least I got someone to read a Polish book lol But will you be able to find it in Israel? What if some Polish businessman bought it out from every library in Israel because it was showing Poles as anti-Semites? ;)

In all seriousness though, those fragments that I read got me interested and since then I was planning to read it too. The film is apparently a bit different than the book though so I'll try to watch it too if I have a chance and maybe I'll report on it some day on PF.