Paulina
12 Jan 2021
Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]
Wow, I'm impressed, Rich, it took you a long time to call me a "feminazi" :D What did it take - calling you a liar? Or maybe it was some kind of revenge for calling you a misogynist? You know you are both and you revel in it, so what's the problem?
No, Rich, you weren't writing as if those were just your opinions. For example, it would be an opinion if you wrote: "I think women have a problem with facing the truth about abortion". It would be an unfair generalisation, but at least it would be an opinion. But instead you wrote: "Women refuse to see the details of how abortions are done and their consequences." This is a claim and you didn't provide any proof for that claim. You don't know whether all women refuse to see those details - you have no way of knowing that and you didn't provide any links to polls or research that would prove that. I am a living proof to the contrary - I didn't refuse to see those details of abortion, I watched a documentary about it already when I was a teen.
You also lie. For example, you wrote: "I don't know of any man who would murder his own small kids, with full premeditation, because he felt bad that day". A man of your age would have to live in a cave in order not to know of such cases.
I don't know if you have no honour at all or whether you're that delusional or simply trolling again.
I wasn't taking anything out on all men. Whatever I wrote in this thread was merely a response to what some men wrote on here and there wasn't anything "man-hating" about it. It's your buddy and guru, Rich, who's doing all the hating here - towards women - and I was simply debunking his false claims, lies and "opinions". Unlike in his and your case, most of what I wrote was backed by proof - polls, statistics, research, articles, etc. You even thanked me for some of the information I provided - does that make you a "man-hater"? :D
There was also nothing "man-hating" in that one line you picked out of my sarcastic response to your ignorant comment about women and their voting rights - quite the opposite. Rich complained about women being too tired to have sex because of work and I simply mirrored it in my comment, it's just I wrote about men this time. Quite some time ago I've read a Polish article about it - that more and more men were experiencing problems with erection and sex drive due to the fast pace of the life nowadays - being overworked, stressed out by work. Of course, there are also other reasons like unhealthy lifestyle and resulting health problems, drinking alcohol, watching too much p0rn, etc:
irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/arid-30904428.html
According to the study mentioned in the article almost 50% of men in their 30s in Britain had difficulties in getting and maintaining an erection. Almost 50% of them blamed stress, 25% - heavy drinking, 36% - tiredness and 29% - anxiety.
Btw, my sarcastic response to what you wrote was "tongue in cheek", as you call it. I think dolno understood it and had a laugh along with me :) So maybe it's you who should quit taking life so seriously, johnny_reb :)))
And you didn't answer my question - would you mind it if men were stripped of the right to vote and would have to become stay-at-home dads - cooking, cleaning and taking care of kids 24/7? :)
Also, do you agree with Rich that women aren't equally as good morally as men are?
@Ironside, for me gender equality is, in short, about equal rights and opportunities. It's also about attitudes in the society, but changing them, unlike in case of changing law, takes time.
You hit a nail on the head here, pawian. I think that's the underlying problem with attitude of a lot of men around the world towards women. I didn't realise that when I was younger, but I do now. Often they don't see us as equals as human beings and it also happens that they don't even view us or treat us like human beings at all. That's the main difference, in my opinion, between attitudes of men and women. Women almost never view men as objects. Even when they hate them - they hate them as human beings. They may be some women who view men as animals or monsters, but I think that always stems from some really bad experiences with men. In case of men, however, thinking that women are worse than them, someone below them that they want to lord over, control, seems to be some kind of default mindset regardless of their experience with women - all they need to do is to be born in the right culture and that seems to be enough to turn off any or much of the empathy towards women and girls. Of course, I'm not talking about all men, but I think you know what mean...
For me personally it's scary and depressing, because as a girl and a woman I've experienced this lack of empathy and being viewed as an object by some men in real life, so it's not just internet theory for me. It's real life and shouldn't be a joking matter for men, because, in turn, it influences the attitudes of women towards men.
No dear feminazi, lying can be only about facts. Those were my opinions.
Wow, I'm impressed, Rich, it took you a long time to call me a "feminazi" :D What did it take - calling you a liar? Or maybe it was some kind of revenge for calling you a misogynist? You know you are both and you revel in it, so what's the problem?
No, Rich, you weren't writing as if those were just your opinions. For example, it would be an opinion if you wrote: "I think women have a problem with facing the truth about abortion". It would be an unfair generalisation, but at least it would be an opinion. But instead you wrote: "Women refuse to see the details of how abortions are done and their consequences." This is a claim and you didn't provide any proof for that claim. You don't know whether all women refuse to see those details - you have no way of knowing that and you didn't provide any links to polls or research that would prove that. I am a living proof to the contrary - I didn't refuse to see those details of abortion, I watched a documentary about it already when I was a teen.
You also lie. For example, you wrote: "I don't know of any man who would murder his own small kids, with full premeditation, because he felt bad that day". A man of your age would have to live in a cave in order not to know of such cases.
you are taking it out on all men.
I don't know if you have no honour at all or whether you're that delusional or simply trolling again.
I wasn't taking anything out on all men. Whatever I wrote in this thread was merely a response to what some men wrote on here and there wasn't anything "man-hating" about it. It's your buddy and guru, Rich, who's doing all the hating here - towards women - and I was simply debunking his false claims, lies and "opinions". Unlike in his and your case, most of what I wrote was backed by proof - polls, statistics, research, articles, etc. You even thanked me for some of the information I provided - does that make you a "man-hater"? :D
There was also nothing "man-hating" in that one line you picked out of my sarcastic response to your ignorant comment about women and their voting rights - quite the opposite. Rich complained about women being too tired to have sex because of work and I simply mirrored it in my comment, it's just I wrote about men this time. Quite some time ago I've read a Polish article about it - that more and more men were experiencing problems with erection and sex drive due to the fast pace of the life nowadays - being overworked, stressed out by work. Of course, there are also other reasons like unhealthy lifestyle and resulting health problems, drinking alcohol, watching too much p0rn, etc:
irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/arid-30904428.html
According to the study mentioned in the article almost 50% of men in their 30s in Britain had difficulties in getting and maintaining an erection. Almost 50% of them blamed stress, 25% - heavy drinking, 36% - tiredness and 29% - anxiety.
Btw, my sarcastic response to what you wrote was "tongue in cheek", as you call it. I think dolno understood it and had a laugh along with me :) So maybe it's you who should quit taking life so seriously, johnny_reb :)))
And you didn't answer my question - would you mind it if men were stripped of the right to vote and would have to become stay-at-home dads - cooking, cleaning and taking care of kids 24/7? :)
Also, do you agree with Rich that women aren't equally as good morally as men are?
@Ironside, for me gender equality is, in short, about equal rights and opportunities. It's also about attitudes in the society, but changing them, unlike in case of changing law, takes time.
While male women-haters perceive women as objects. Simple. That is why those males are much worse and should be contained coz their attitude is inhuman(e)
You hit a nail on the head here, pawian. I think that's the underlying problem with attitude of a lot of men around the world towards women. I didn't realise that when I was younger, but I do now. Often they don't see us as equals as human beings and it also happens that they don't even view us or treat us like human beings at all. That's the main difference, in my opinion, between attitudes of men and women. Women almost never view men as objects. Even when they hate them - they hate them as human beings. They may be some women who view men as animals or monsters, but I think that always stems from some really bad experiences with men. In case of men, however, thinking that women are worse than them, someone below them that they want to lord over, control, seems to be some kind of default mindset regardless of their experience with women - all they need to do is to be born in the right culture and that seems to be enough to turn off any or much of the empathy towards women and girls. Of course, I'm not talking about all men, but I think you know what mean...
For me personally it's scary and depressing, because as a girl and a woman I've experienced this lack of empathy and being viewed as an object by some men in real life, so it's not just internet theory for me. It's real life and shouldn't be a joking matter for men, because, in turn, it influences the attitudes of women towards men.