Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]


Johnny, now calm down, read my comment again, slowly, and then get back to me and tell me where did I write that you don't like or like something.

All I did was pointing out the hipocrysy of ultra-patriots (including yours, btw - because you often attacked Harry and others for being "anti-Polish" so spare me this self-righteous indignation now, please :)).


That was what I and other Poles were called by the British here in the past. Minus the "Pollack". By the same Brits you deplore so much and call "anti-Polish".

FYI.

@Thanks, Atch, but I'm probably too "borderline normal" to spend extended periods of time on this forum :) I have low tolerance for stupidity and all kinds of other things that are going on here. Maybe I'll visit from time to time though.

I won't write what this forum has always needed because I'd probably get a ban for that :))

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

Oh, yes, what would we have done without them??

Btw, thanks, Torq, I had fun lol You and pawian are becoming my favourites on PF :) This place really needed some humour... (and the return of "the old guard", apparently :))

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

Spot on, Torq, we Poles are simple people, it's just all too complicated and confusing for us, I'm afraid... lol

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

Atch, I'm afraid I don't know whether you're being honest or ironic British/Irish style... I'm Polish, you'll have to forgive me... :))

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

Haha, Torq... lol I'm afraid you're not being obvious enough for our johnny here... It's probably because of his Polish genes... Poor fella...

Atch, maybe you have some Polish roots too that you don't know about? :))


Lol We do, terri. You have quite a bit of display of irony and sarcasm by pawian and Torq on PF lately. Haven't you noticed? Or maybe you don't get it? ;)

As for that football player it is possible that you didn't indicate with your tone of voice that you're being sarcastic or that someone who was at that moment emotionally invested in the game didn't catch on it. Did you speak in English?

There may be some cultural differences too - Poles are more direct and upfront than the English, they don't veil everything so much.
To be honest, terri, your comment looks pretty prejudiced/ignorant to me. I don't know of any nation that wouldn't get irony. In my discussions with Russians, for example, I've noticed that they often employ irony and sarcasm in their responses to Russophobia.

Btw, you know what's really ironic, guys? If it was Harry, delph, Dougpol or jon who would write such comments like johnny_reb or Rich Mazur about Poles in this thread they would be labelled as Pole-haters and told to gtfo from Poland if they don't like it and Poles so much, etc. etc. It would be the same if such comments were written by a "libtard" Pole - the difference would be probably that he or she would be also called a traitor.

So where are the ultra-patriots now? All I can hear is crickets and all I can see is tumbleweeds rolling across the street... :)

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

I'm not going to translate the whole fragments now, but according to this link: tvn24.pl/organizacja-finalu-wosp-w-gdansku-jakie-przepisy-zastosowano,900368,s.html

the organisers say that the concert was qualified as a non-mass event by the city authorities (who didn't comment on that). The organisers also got a green light (a positive opinion) from the police in Gdańsk. Also, according to documents (the permits) the requirements concerning the security were analogous with those for mass events.

The organisers obliged the security firm in their contract to treat the concert as a mass event (so I guess they have it in writing).

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Yes, jon, thanks for the photo... I prayed for him. I hoped he would make it... We all did... It was a shock.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Gregy, I think it's you who's really into pushing the blame on Owsiak personally because of your hate for him. I just translated a fragment from Wikipedia.

It was you who claimed that "he probably hired some antifa thugs as security,to scam more money".
It was you who wrote that "looks like them nasty libtard Owsiaks security,handcuffed and brutally beaten mentally ill person".
You wrote: "shame on Owsiak scammer.hes greed was to blame."

So now you're blaming him not for being greedy, not for hiring "a few antifa guys" for security, not for what the security did or did not but for hiring the wrong local stuff?

What if he didn't personally hire the local staff? What if he has staff for hiring local staff?
Sorry, but I think you're obsessed with this man.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Gregy, a quote from Polish Wikipedia (my translation):

"In every voivodeship there is local WOŚP staff responsible for preliminary counting of money raised by subordinate volunteers and then sending them to WOŚP account. The local staff is also responsible for organising local WOŚP finale concerts in bigger cities in Poland. Local WOŚP staff is also operating outside of Poland to cater for the needs of Poles living abroad."

I'm not sure if you realise how big this is. Owsiak wasn't in Gdańsk. The local staff in Gdańsk was responsible for organising the concert and taking care of the security.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Gregy, whether Owsiak/the organisers somehow broke the law - I don't know - I haven't heard anyone claim that, even PiS politicians. I imagine it's going to be checked/investigated.

But you can't accuse people right and left without knowing who did what. You're behaving like a kid.
And the organisers didn't hire "a few guys", but a security firm.
Do you think that Owsiak, as a chairman of one of the biggest charities in Poland, knows which city hires which firm for security? I don't know. Do you? I kind of doubt that, to be honest. Do you know in how many cities these concerts are taking place? It was even in Kielce. What kind of security was here? I have no idea. Noone died though, fortunately, as usual, because I think the concert takes place every year even in my city.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Gregy, by "agenda" I mean your right wing bias, not that you're a troll paid by Putin. You're simply not being objective and trying hard to blame everything on "Owsiak". Even the way the killer was treated by the security or whomever. "Owsiak" or "libtards" didn't brake his nose.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

No, I didn't omit anything, gregy. I've pointed out that you've exaggerated his injuries. Be more accurate/honest next time.
Yes, he looked fine to me when he was being brought down the stairs from the stage. But it was brief. I saw his face only once, on BBC. That's all I can say.

Yes, something could happen outside of view of people and cameras. Maybe he was beaten up - by the security guards or the police. Maybe the injuries happened at the stage when he was being overpowered. A broken nose doesn't have to be a very severe and visible injury. In Polish language it could just mean a fracture of the bone.

As I wrote - I wasn't there and I don't know what exactly happened.
You don't know either.
And I don't have an agenda. It looks to me that you do.


You mean the blonde woman who was there with her kid? Yes, she said he looked "happy", as far as I remember...

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Gregy, are you retarded or trolling?
It doesn't say that he had his arm broken - just that it was "injured". We don't know what kind of injury it was and how serious it was. It could be strained because the technician grabbed him by his arm and then threw him down to the floor.

He didn't have his "face" broken. He had his nose broken. Which, yes, I can imagine could happen when thrown to the floor face down by a scared, ordinary citizen completely untrained for this kind of situation, with an adrenaline rush trying to save kids from a raging maniac with a combat knife.

The police didn't say that he was injured by the security. They said that "he probably sustained the injuries when he was being overpowered on the stage or perhaps also when he was being brought down from the platform". So they don't know. Or the police beat him up and they're lying. I wasn't there and, unlike you, I'm not all-knowing and I simply don't know.

He was overpowered first by the stage technician. He put him on the floor. I saw that on TV. And then some other guy through away the knife. Whether he dropped the knife himself - I don't know - it was too far away to see. It didn't look brutal to me and he didn't look like he was resisting. And as I wrote - he didn't look beaten up when he was being brought down the stairs from the stage.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]


You must live in an alternate reality then if you think that Poles don't notice the failings of Polish healthcare system or you live in the woods with no contact with people or you're deaf.


You're going too far with this, imho, you don't know that. The damage to the organs could be too severe.

Gregy, thanks for the link.


Again, we don't know that.
I've seen how he was taken down the stairs from the stage by the security guards - on Polish TV his face was blurred but not on BBC. The scene was filmed by Polish TV. He didn't look beaten up for what I could see. Then he was quickly passed on to the police so the security guards wouldn't even have much time to beat him up.

For all we know he could get hurt when he was thrown down by the technician to the floor face down and the knife was taken away from him. Would you complain then that the technician wasn't gentle enough with a guy waving a combat knife on a stage where children were present?

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

OK, gregy, now I understand what you mean.


Any links to that info?


I did hear yesterday on TV that he was isolated from other prisoners because he was brutal in prison or sth.


Yes, that's very true - once when I ended up in hospital I could see medical equipment from WOŚP everywhere. And that was in Kielce, PiS' stronghold. They help everyone, no matter the political allegiances.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]


Aww, are you turning into a "libtard snowflake" who's calling people "Nazis" when they disagree with you? Shame on you, gregy, shame on you!

I only wrote that the guy is dead no matter whether his killer is sane or not. Psychopats aren't exactly sane, as far as I understand, but, as far as I know in the US they end up in prison on death row. What if he's a psychopath? I'm not sure how it works in Polish law but I imagine his lawyer will have to prove that he was mentally ill during the attack during a trial?


The last I've heard he was in a police arrest and the police mentioned that he will be questioned and his mental state will be assessed by psychatrists - a standard procedure in such situations.


Then let us wait for it, shall we?

We don't know whether the killer was mentally ill or not at the time of the attack. It will be determined.
I don't know whether the organisers "broke the law" or not but I know that the police was present, the security firm was hired and they failed (which is being investigated).

And it looks like you want to put all the blame on a charity. It looks pretty ugly to me.

Btw, mods, I think it would be nice if the posters from the US stayed on topic this time, for a change (I mean Rich Mazur's comment).

News / WOSP in Poland [161]


It looked like a conscious decision to me. And planned too. It wasn't a crime of passion or whatever. Sorry, I'm not a native English speaker, but the guy got stabbed in heart and other places by a knife 14.5 cm long, he left behind a wife and two children, he's dead, no matter whether it was a "murder" or a "killing" and whether the killer was sane or not (which is going to be determined by psychologists). He seemed sane enough to serve his previous sentence in prison, not in mental hospital.

Btw, the police for now classified it as "zabójstwo":

fakty.interia.pl/polska/news-adamowicz-nie-zyje-prokuratura-zmieni-kwalifikacje-na-zabojs,nId,2782721


Yeah, sure, gregy lol
I have no words. And you have no shame, it seems.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]


It happens when they kill someone. This is what it's called - murder. No matter whether the killer is sane or insane person, whether it's a Muslim terrorist or some anti-PO or anty-PiS fanatic. Also, it is up to specialists to determine whether he was sane or not during the attack. The attack was clearly planned, prepared and thought through. The people who know him said that he radicalised in prison.


Where do I call for killing mentally ill people? Again, I ask: wtf is wrong with you?

News / WOSP in Poland [161]


There was police nearby, like always during such events - surrounding the area of the concert and patrolling the city nearby. The police presence in the city was increased because of the WOŚP finale from 100 to 300 policemen on patrols. The organisers didn't ask for police presence but it was provided anyway out of the police's own will - so was said on Polish TV by some representative of the police in Gdańsk, as far as I remember.

During such events the organiser hires a private security firm which secures the event itself on site, including the stage. WOŚP hired such firm, but it looks like those security guards weren't present at the stage during the attack. The killer was apprehended by... a stage technician who was present at the stage at that time. Before that happened the attacker managed to walk around the stage gesturing triumphantly with a knife in his hand and to deliver an explanation of why he did it through a microphone:

"My name is Stefan W(...). I was sent to prison despite being innocent. I was tortured by Civic Platform. This is why Adamowicz is dead."

Only after that two security guards rushed to the stage and took him away. He was immediately passed to the police even before any call about the attack was made because the police was nearby.

The police will investigate, among others, the behaviour of the security guards during the attack.
I've seen an interview on TV with a former spokeperson of the Warsaw police, who said that he'd been warning for years about the poor quality of the security provided during such events like concerts, football matches, etc. by private security firms. People working there are often random people not trainded for such kind of situations.

I think we have to also keep in mind that such things simply don't happen in Poland, especially not during such events like charity concerts and it caught everyone off guard. That doesn't justify the failings of that security company, though (especially considering all those terrorist attacks in the West). A mayor of a major city was killed in front of cameras and thousands of people, including children, during the most famous charity event in Poland. I imagine that heads will roll.


Wtf is wrong with you?

Btw: tvp.info/40845437/

One Polish internet user made a following comment: "Jaśkowiak (mayor of Poznań) and the president of Wrocław should get it too... They are becoming the victims of their leftist and Godless attitude towards their public functions."

He's been arrested by the police today, I've heard.

USA, Canada / Would a Polish woman marry to get into the USA? [41]

"worn-torn Syria"

war-torn, sorry! lol

USA, Canada / Would a Polish woman marry to get into the USA? [41]

@Cms neuf, exactly, not only the West of Europe is closer to Poland than the US, but a Pole can go and work there legally without any visas - one doesn't have to get involved in some kind of sham marriage in order to get into a country.

As for "Russian brides", I've seen a documentary "States of Undress" not long ago - an episode about Russia - it's about clothes and fashion, but it also focuses on the society. There was quite a bit about a situation of women over there. I was shocked by the disparity between the number of men and women in Russia. A greater disparity nowadays is only in worn-torn Syria. It started with the losses during WWII and it never got rebalanced. I know that there is probably quite a number of Russian gold diggers out there, but, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if many normal Russian women were looking for a partner outside of Russia for this reason. Especially considering the attitudes and high expectations of Russian men towards their women (if you ever wondered why Russian women dress in such a sexy way - to some "trashy" - and wear make up all the time - I know why now).


I literally KNEW that one of you misogynists will show up in this thread and come up with some kind of prejudiced bullsh1t that will make men look better and women worse even in the face of results of a research lol Rich Mazur wrote one really prejudiced comment which turned out to be a LIE and now you're just following in his footsteps.

Tell me, Dirk, what do you base your claims on? Don't tell me that on "your experience" or on experience of your probably equally prejudiced pals. Give me evidence, statistics, research results about women's vs men's lies.

Here you have some insight on the differences: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2713862/Men-lie-women-study-reveals.html

Btw, if you think that "I only had 3 beers" lie is such a "stupid sh1t" then go and talk to a wife or a child of an alcoholic. It won't be such "stupid sh1t" for them, trust me. The lying and cheating of alcoholics about their drinking is one of the worst things for their families.

And how can you even claim that men don't lie about important things? Are you serious? Do you think that me or other people are stupid? That we don't know life? I'm not some silly goose that you can sell such crap to.

Men lie about the same things and some other ugly stuff: I'm single, I'm divorced, I'm separated, I'll leave my wife for you, I swear I don't have herpes, I've never been with a prostitute, I don't have sex with prostitutes, I always use a condom but with you it's different, I love you/you're special/I've never fealt like this with anyone before/you're not just a piece of meat/spermbag for me (being said in order to have sex with a woman/girl and then dump her), I've never cheated on you, I'm not cheating on you, I'd never cheat on you, my ex means nothing to me, I don't want to have sex with my ex, my coworker, your sister, your friend, etc. I'm not interested in girls below 18 years old (in case of adult men), I wouldn't like a threesome, I wasn't flirting with her, I came to Poland to work/for a longer period of time (while they came here for two weeks only as sex tourists), I'm not trying to get you drunk and take advantage of you - I'm not that kind of a guy, how could you even suggest that?! (lol), I go to Thailand for the food and culture (lol!), I'm a monogamist, totally!, we didn't visit any strip clubs, I'll still respect you if you do this (concerning sex or sth sex related), I'm not with you to be able to rape your child, I'm not raping/molesting our child, grandchild, niece, etc. and I'd never do that, I'd never hurt you, I wasn't checking your messages, I've deleted my profile on that dating site, I don't have a drinking/drug/gambling/p0rn problem, I've never been married before, I don't have kids from a first/second/third marriage, I'm not watching p0rn (lol), I like our sex life, I don't have any weird fetishes, etc. etc. etc.

Dirk, if you'd bother to check the link that I've provided you'd see that the only important lie that women tell on that "top ten lies" list is "Nothing's wrong, I'm fine". It's on the first place. In case of men it's on the second place, so the difference isn't that big.


You've just proved that the results of that research are true.

@dolnoslask, that's why I stressed the fact that he wrote that he's leaving the forum - so he couldn't go back on that. He was probably long gone when I wrote my comment anyway, I didn't write it only for his benefit, tbh. I have enough of the comments of a few individuals here who write about women as if we were some kind of subhumans and the fact that none of the men here is challenging them on that. Do you all share their views? Wait, why I even bother asking... I'll probably be "fed some bullsh1t" anyway...

USA, Canada / Would a Polish woman marry to get into the USA? [41]

@Rich, actually, before you'll leave this forum (hopefully forever), I'd just like you to know that according to various research and articles that I've read men lie more than women (even despite the fact that women talk more!) and they feel less guilty about it:

telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/7733510/Men-lie-more-than-women-finds-survey.html

And RubasznyRumcajs, is right, I think, the US isn't such a popular destination for emigrating Poles anymore.

History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [869]


What do you care, anyway? You detest Poland and its people, the US is your country now. Why don't you spend your days on American sites advocating "a reasonably good relationship" between Russia and the US?


They aren't the same but Poles don't like the attitudes that Russian authorities and many Russians have towards Stalin, towards what tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union did to Poles and others (if they even know what it did) and towards what was happening in the Soviet Union itself. They don't like the red stars on their buildings.

Poles don't like the attitudes Russian authorities and many Russians have towards Russia's neighbours and towards the countries in Russia's "sphere of influence".

They don't like what's going on in Russia too. They don't like the way Russia is TODAY. Or at least majority of them didn't, now - I'm not so sure considering "Russian-like" attitude towards democracy and other stuff of the current Polish government and part of the society.

Still, if you think that Poland can have "a reasonably good relationship" with Russia after what it did to Ukraine then you're probably detached from reality. It was a red line that Russia crossed confirming in this way Poland's worse fears about this country.

Work / I'm a graphic artist. How to get a job in Poland ? [10]

@Hamination, according to the site barometrzawodow.pl there's a deficit of graphic designers in Poznań but to be one in Poland in many cases it would be good to know Polish language. It wouldn't be a must in case of game developers but they're usually placed in Warsaw. If you want to pay for your studies by working in Poland I think it would be wise to apply for work first and see if you can get a job or not.

But to apply for work you have to have a portfolio and that brings me to:


Where are your works? I can't see them... Is this what you're going to do to your prospective employers? You'll tell them to look for your works on the internet and if they're lucky they'll find them? lol

Life / Why is circumcision not practiced in Poland? [701]


Where did I write that or even suggest that? :D

@Johnny_reb, not necessarily - I think hormonal contraception for women (pills) may cause dryness, also hormonal problems and some other heatlh conditions can cause dryness too. And menopause, of course.

Life / Why is circumcision not practiced in Poland? [701]


That must be in the US. There's almost no circumcised men in Poland so there can't be any "preference" :)
I've actually read some articles about this once and apparently sex with circumcised men may be more painful for women due to the unnatural friction stemming from the lack of the right lubrication provided by the foreskin or something, as Jaskier already mentioned.


Apparently lack of foreskin makes the penis less sensitive - men get less pleasure from sex, so maybe circumcised men can last longer thanks to this. I don't know what man would want to feel less pleasure from sex though, tbh. I wouldn't do something like that to a son of mine.

Also, looking from both the woman's and the man's perspective - one can play with the foreskin (I guess those men who have it know what I mean) - if I were a man I wouldn't want to resign from this just to be able to shower less often... lol

I don't know, it just boggles my mind that people do it...

@Johnny, are you saying that you don't shower daily? o_O My cousin from Chicago takes a shower twice a day.
Btw, a healthy vagina is much more clean than any mouth, there's a lot more bacteria in a human mouth, so spit isn't the best lubricant from the perspective of the woman's health, I think.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


Dirk, the problem with this argument (which sounds rather heartless, tbh) is that regular people usually stay away from neighbourhoods where there are some kind of gang wars going on (in Chicago it's apparently near the south side of the city?), unless they're unlucky enough to live there.

But as far as mass shootings done by psychos are concerned - it can happen anywhere. You won't know what place to avoid. You would have to stay put at your house and not go anywhere - not send your children to school, highschool, university, not go to the cinema, to a club to have some fun, to a concert, to the church, etc.

It's not only about numbers of people killed but about the sense of security and psychological comfort.

It's the same with terrorist attacks in Europe. More people die in car accidents or from smoking or whatever than in those terror acts but you guys make a big deal out of it. And the media make a big deal out of it. Because it's not only about the numbers, but about the sense of security, it's about being able to go about your everyday lives, about going to a shop to buy groceries or to a cafe to drink some coffee with your friends without the fear of getting a round of bullets in your body or of being blown up into pieces.

You could argue in boh cases (mass shootings and terrorist attacks) that it's about "feelings and emotions" and not about "reality, facts, statistics, logic".

Both are unpredictable and can happen pretty much everywhere, it's difficult to predict and counter them and both induce fear, terror and panic in ordinary people who are just going about their daily lives and minding their own business...

Classifieds / Help With Translating Handwritten Polish Records [18]

You're welcome, Rick :)

Classifieds / Help With Translating Handwritten Polish Records [18]


Yes, all the scans are in Russian. I've noticed some Polish names written in Latin alphabet ("Józefу z Prusów", "Jan") as kaprys mentioned, but that's it, so you need a Russian translator, probably someone who has some experience in translating archives from the past or at least someone who has a Russian philology degree (since some of the language may be outdated), I guess.

Classifieds / Help With Translating Handwritten Polish Records [18]

@Rickzawadzki, at the time that territory where your great-grandfather was born was part of the Kingdom of Poland (also known as Congress Poland) which was a puppet state of the Russian Empire:

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Administrative_divisions_of_Congress_Poland_in_1830_ENG.png

My region was also part of Congress Poland at that time and my family's church records are also in Russian (my aunt got them translated).