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Torq   
11 Dec 2025
History / Martial Law in Poland (1981–1983) [26]

Not thanks to our leadership.

Well, at least they don't impede the development (too much). Poles are such a smart nation that if we are not hindered by openly hostile forces, we will always end up on top.

Friendly forces

Friendly, as long as the Soviets stayed in the barracks, and they did - that's the whole point.

The Soviets were already in.

Soviet garrisons in Poland numbered about 60,000 soldiers - they were no match for LWP which was about half-a-million strong back then (plus millions of reservists). Those Soviet forces who were waiting to invade (together with their East German and Czechoslovakian sidekicks) were much more numerous, but Jaruzelski's gambit stopped them. They didn't want to engage in a huge conventional war in the middle of Europe while still fighting another one in Afghanistan.

It wasn't a good thing. OK?

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

If Tusk meddles in the election process in two years

Not very likely.
Torq   
11 Dec 2025
History / Martial Law in Poland (1981–1983) [26]

By whom?

LWP

can you imagine the Communist Party in Poland acting against the Red Army?

That's exactly what Jaruzelski did. First, stopped Soviets from entering Poland, which then made it possible to peacefully pass the power to Solidarity at the 'round table'.

We wasted time; the civil war will be upon us now, many years after the Soviets lost.

*puts a cross on himself*

Spit out these words!

The rest of the nation was screwed.

Look at Poland today - does it look 'screwed' to you?
Torq   
11 Dec 2025
News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 27 [1110]

So get the F off and never come back.

Hear, hear.

If you can't be counted on when there is a real need, Nobody wants you to sip our tea and eat our cookies when there are quiet times.

E-x-a-c-t-l-y.
Torq   
11 Dec 2025
History / Martial Law in Poland (1981–1983) [26]

they were already present in Poland with Divisions of the Red Army stationed on Polish soil

Soviet forces in Poland were surrounded in their garrisons and throughout the entire martial law they didn't dare put their noses outside their barracks. If Jaruzelski had been such a "Soviet thug", as you claim, surely they would have been out in the cities helping Jaruzelski "persecute" Poles?

which allowed for the building of post-Soviet Poland as we know it now

This is another thing - commies were still in power, still had secret police, still had the army, and they sat with Solidarity at the table and gave up the power without bloodshed. It could have been much worse than in Romania but we managed to avoid a civil war - another thing to thank Jaruzelski for.
Torq   
11 Dec 2025
History / Martial Law in Poland (1981–1983) [26]

That is a ridiculous communist legend.

Read the archives - start with the Czech ones (operacja Karkonosze).

I spoke to soldiers and sailors from the martial law period--they all told me the same thing. Makes no sense to deny their words, especially that we now have overwhelming evidence from the archives.

many people who were murdered by his regime during that so-called martial law against the Polish nation

Depends what you mean by 'many'. Parliamentary commission report, compiled after 1989, stated that about 90 people lost their lives as a result of martial law. Later the number 91 seems to be the one agreed upon by most historians... 91 people in almost two years. Probably more died by falling of a ladder in the same period. Imagine how many would have died if Soviets and their sidekicks invaded Poland.

He was nothing but a Soviet thug.

He was a soldier who had to make difficult decisions in difficult times but he saved Poland from a bloodbath in which literally millions of Poles would have lost their lives.
Torq   
11 Dec 2025
History / Martial Law in Poland (1981–1983) [26]

Based on what?

Based on the aggregate weight of their balls.

Now f*ck off, Ryszard, you scumbag. I'm still ignoring you.
Torq   
11 Dec 2025
History / Martial Law in Poland (1981–1983) [26]

NVA would never leave Poland

That is absolutely correct. They would have stayed forever, 6 feet underground.

Soviets would have been pushed back, Czechs given a slap on their retarded wrists, but if any German dared to enter Poland 35 odd years after WW2, when most Poles still had living witnesses of nazi horrors in their families, they would have been slaughtered.

Ludowe Wojsko Polskie was a f*cking beast - unmatched by any Warsaw Pact army at the time, including the Soviet one.



Sztywny jakiś był.

He had balls of steel. At time when the entire Western Europe was shaking in its boots at the thought of Soviet invasion, he had the balls to take Polish army into the field and say: "Look, товарищи, I have soldiers too!".
Torq   
11 Dec 2025
History / Martial Law in Poland (1981–1983) [26]

A lesson learned from the events at Prague airport in 1968.

... as well as from the events in Kabul and Bagram in 1979.

Czechoslovak armed forces were absolutely itching for the opportunity to invade Poland

As sidekicks of larger armies, as usual: they invaded us when we were fighting the red onslaught shortly after regaining our independence, and then Slovaks did the same thing alongside Nazis twenty years later. As for itching--I've heard the same about East Germans - there were a lot of revanchist c*nts in DDR back then. Luckily these days it's no longer the case and AfD wins the most votes in western Germany...

... no, wait.
Torq   
11 Dec 2025
History / Martial Law in Poland (1981–1983) [26]

Martial law in Poland was declared on 13 December 1981 by *baczność, kurwa!* General Wojciech Jaruzelski *spocznij!*.

It was declared to prevent the Soviet/Warsaw Pact intervention in Poland, similar to the interventions in Hungary and Czechoslovakia, which would drown the Solidarity movement in blood. Jaruzelski's gambit, taking Wojsko Polskie into the field positions with all their artillery and other heavy weapons, as well as securing airlfields (including Okęcie by 16. Airborne Batalion of the 6th Division, reinforced by 1. Assault Batalion from Dziwnowo) prevented the intervention and saved countless lives.

We know from the documents found in the archives of Czech General Staff in Prague that the invasion forces were kept in battle readiness until June 1982. The intervention forces consisting of 59 Soviet divisions, 6 East German and 9 Czechoslovakian would have clashed with 15 regular divisions of Wojsko Polskie, as well as territorial defense, border guards, citizens' militia and other irregular forces. It would have been a bloodbath.

Countless retards, even today - with overwhelming evidence found in the archives - deny the reality of the looming Soviet intervention and slander the name of the Good General. Polish patriots, however, know all too well that Poland avoided the fate of Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968 thanks to one man:

*baczność!*

General Wojciech Jaruzelski

*spocznij!*

Wojciech Jaruzelski

Powązki

See: "Gra Jaruzelskiego. Kulisy stanu wojennego.", Przegląd 50 (1353), pp. 15-17
Torq   
5 Dec 2025
News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 27 [1110]

Thank you for accepting me.

What are you talking about? We're brothers!

Anyways, Syrski says Russia losses are about 1100 soldiers a day, most of which are fatal casualties...

wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/ilu-zolnierzy-rosja-traci-kazdego-dnia-gen-syrski-wskazuje/rzqm10k

... which is rather strange as normally wounded-to-killed ratios usually range from 3:1 to 5:1. What is Russia doing there? Banzai charges?
Torq   
5 Dec 2025
News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 27 [1110]

Dari, Uzbek, Tajik, English, Russian.

Iranian, Turkic, Germanic and Slavic 0_0

Kid... ffs... I've always known you are smart but this is genius level stuff.

The work was... interesting.

I bet!
Torq   
5 Dec 2025
Off-Topic / FIFA World Cup 2026 [84]

Germany looks okay

You will breeze through your group.

I'm not even going to watch Germany-Curacao game. It would be like watching Lennox Lewis - Danny DeVito boxing match.
Torq   
5 Dec 2025
Off-Topic / FIFA World Cup 2026 [84]

no Ukraine, no Poles

Both Ukraine and Poland can stil make it. Well... not both at the same time but at least one of them. :)
Torq   
5 Dec 2025
Off-Topic / FIFA World Cup 2026 [84]

Polen against the Dutch

We drew against them 1-1 twice in the qualifiers, and now we get them in the finals. Three times lucky! :)

That is... IF we win the play-off.
Torq   
5 Dec 2025
Off-Topic / FIFA World Cup 2026 [84]

YESSS Curacao....Willkommen in our group! :)

:)

10:0... half-time
Torq   
5 Dec 2025
Off-Topic / FIFA World Cup 2026 [84]

...behind Australia?

Such lack of faith in your team, Alien - tsk, tsk.
Torq   
5 Dec 2025
Off-Topic / FIFA World Cup 2026 [84]

Out of boredom I ran a simulation...



worldcupsimulator.com/

We might actually have a chance for the 2nd place in this group.
Torq   
5 Dec 2025
Off-Topic / FIFA World Cup 2026 [84]

when are the drawings ffs!

My feelings exactly.
Torq   
5 Dec 2025
Off-Topic / FIFA World Cup 2026 [84]

Ah, going for the record high-scoring game. Hungary-Salvador 10:1 is still the record. I bet you can beat Curacao 10:0. :)
Torq   
5 Dec 2025
Off-Topic / FIFA World Cup 2026 [84]

Canada, Morocco, Panama, Poland would be nice :) If we qualify from the playoffs that is.
Torq   
5 Dec 2025
News / Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland [495]

I wonder

A good question.

Another good question, if not necessarily related, is why is the Treaty between the Federal Republic of Germany and Russia called Vertrag über gute Nachbarschaft, Partnerschaft und Zusammenarbeit?

Nachbarschaft? Really? :-/
Torq   
5 Dec 2025
UK, Ireland / Why Poles will never belong in England [327]

that had one of the biggest empires in history

... and they lost it. Just like the French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Belgians or the Ottomans.

Actually, the only country in the world that still holds on to most of the lands gained in their imperial conquest is Russia. They lost some borderlands after the fall of the Soviet Union but are still the largest land empire in the world.
Torq   
5 Dec 2025
News / Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland [495]

The Mexicans of Europe, who flood every richer country in droves

That's actually no longer true - last year more Poles left Germany than emigrated there, and the same is true for Norway...

pulshr.pl/praca-tymczasowa/niemcy-maja-duzy-problem-z-polakami-czegos-takiego-nie-bylo-od-25-lat,114659.html

podroze.onet.pl/aktualnosci/polacy-wracaja-z-norwegii-czuja-sie-obywatelami-drugiej-kategorii/36rclyn

The USA and Britain are also no longer very attractive for Poles. Poland has become a destination for immigrants recently, and you can see it in the streets.