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Polish bishops against PiS's anti-German rhetoric...

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Unfortunately - the bishops note - today "some political actors still try to exploit painful and historically unresolved issues for political purposes."

This is undoubtedly an allusion to PiS's policy, as it is the party that most persistently tries to stir up anti-German sentiment on the Polish political scene.

"For us it is clear," the bishops write, "that political maneuvering based on historical grievances is incompatible with the spirit of reconciliation expressed in the exchange of letters [from 1965]."

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It is. But still, recently they started talking about PolExit, so it's no longer Orbanization they are aiming at but Lukashenkization. That's how desperate they are.

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You are a curious case. You seem to think that closing your eyes and repeating something a hundred times will magically change reality.


Even if PiS tries this narrative, then legally they will have no leg to stand on. Properly legally conducted reparations agreement would shut them up forever. As it is, they can bring back the issue indefinitely. And if you think that the death of last WW2 survivors will change anything, just know that PiS politicians (e.g. Mularczyk and Pawłowicz) are of the opinion that Sweden should pay us reparations for the Swedish Deluge (1655-1660).

You are right about one thing - PiS demanding reparations from Germany plays exactly into Putin's hands. The problem is, they are so afraid of "westernization" of Poland (which, with addition of the fact that their electorate is dying out, would eventually mean the end of them as a considerable political force) that they think Orbanisation is a viable solution.

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Criminal putinist regime.


They made themselves our enemies by reverting to 19th century imperial politics and threatening us (repeatedly) with war and nuclear weapons.

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True.

I should have included golonka in my list.

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Pączki are for children, women and homosexual men.

Straight men, when they want a delicious treat are allowed:

- pickled herring,
- gherkins,
- ćwikła z chrzanem (grated red beetrots with horseradish),
- flaki,
- słonina (basically 100%fat).

If it's your birthday, you're allowed a galaretka (boiled meat and vegetables in jelly) with vinegar or a tatar (raw minced meet with raw egg).

Anything else is suspicious.

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Of course. The most Polish compliment that can be given to a cake/dessert is: "dobre, takie nie za słodkie". Prince Polo is the most magically Polish ersatz sweet treat ever.


Indeed. If you eat things which are too sweet you can become liberal, pacifist or homosexual. That's what excessive sugar does to you. That's why my Dad's favourite sweet treat is pickled herring.

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Well, that's exactly what they're doing.

It solves nothing.

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It is a great plan indeed: if our enemies know that they cannot destroy Poland without suffering nuclear annihilation of epic proportions themselves, they will never dare to attack us. That's the whole point of having nuclear weapons.


The more important question is: what percentage are cowards? And the answer is: negligible. Therefore, galactic c*nts who harbor fantasies of attacking Poland should reconsider their brilliant plans.

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If you mean 2006 Anna Fotyga's written reply to a parliamentary interpellation, then it was most certainly not - by any means - a binding confirmation of the 1953 so-called reparations waiver.

First of all, a ministerial answer to an interpellation:

1. is not an international agreement,
2. is not a unilateral act of state with binding effect,
3. creates no new obligations for Poland.

It is merely an informational document, not a legal act. Therefore it cannot "confirm" any international waiver, especially if the waiver was illegal to begin with, and it was, like I explained.

Also, The Minister of Foreign Affairs has no constitutional competence to bind the state unilaterally. According to the Polish Constitution (both 1997 in force in 2006, and historical doctrine): the FM cannot unilaterally issue binding declarations of renunciation of claims. Any act that would waive or reconfirm international claims must be done through an international treaty or an explicit Council of Ministers resolution (uchwała RM) authorizing such a position. The 2006 reply had none of these features.

Also, The 2006 statement did not use the legal form of an "act of state" A binding unilateral declaration in international law (per ICJ jurisprudence, e.g. Nuclear Tests Cases) must:

- be made publicly,
- be intended to create legal consequences,
- use clear and formal language,
- be issued by an official empowered to bind the state.

The 2006 reply was:

- not public in the sense of international fora,
- not intended as a legal act,
- drafted as an internal parliamentary answer,
- lacking any formula indicating creation of obligations.

Thus it cannot qualify as a binding unilateral act.

And the 2006 restatement did not repeat the waiver itself - only an interpretation of history

Fotyga's statement did not say: "Poland hereby confirms the 1953 waiver." It merely stated that, according to the Ministry's interpretation, the 1953 waiver was "unambiguous" in Polish legal doctrine. This is a historical and doctrinal claim, not a legal confirmation. A restatement of an interpretation is not a restatement of a legal act.

In addition, there was no publication in the Journal of Laws (Dziennik Ustaw). Any act binding Poland internationally must be published in the Dziennik Ustaw, or recorded in the Monitor Polski, depending on the type of act. The 2006 reply was published nowhere in the state legal publications - another indication that it was not intended as a state act with legal force.

Not to mention that International law requires a state waiver or its confirmation to be formally communicated to the other state. The 2006 reply was not delivered to the German government or any international body. Without communication, no international legal effect is created.

Don't forget that the same government (PiS, 2005-2007) later supported studies on reparations, argued publicly that Germany might still owe compensation, and did not close the discussion internally. This inconsistency undermines the argument that the 2006 reply was intended as a conclusive, binding reaffirmation.

To sum up:

1. The "waiver" had no normative force.
2. The FM had no authority to bind Poland.
3. It lacked the legal form of a unilateral act.
4. It restated an interpretation, not the so-called waiver itself.
5. It was not published officially.
6. The 1953 "waiver" remains legally contested.
7. The government later showed no intent to treat the issue as closed.
8. No diplomatic communication was made.

So, why not accept the fact that the case for reparations is not legally closed and finally close it properly with binding statements from both sides?

Why not negotiate and agree to a form of reparations, even if merely symbolic, with Tusk - the most pro-German Prime Minister in Polish history?

Why the stubborn refusal to even talk?

If this is not settled today by civilised governments of Germany and Poland, then tomorrow - when AfD and PiS are likely to rule our respective countries - it may blow up in our faces.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Tacitus.

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Hmm... if you put it this way. 🤔

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Who says that?

You are making a moral argument, I am making a legal argument - the matter has to be settled properly.


The problem is that legality of this agreement is open to question. Why leave it like that and give all the nutters on both sides a chance to stir sh*t?


Not necessarily. Ukrainian army is not even a EU army but we support it. Polish army - as the strongest easternmost EU/NATO force - protects all of Europe from the East.

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Very strong military, mass territorial defense, and no border with Russia make surviving ever so easier.

Also, they are landlocked, Ryszard, so they have no use for submarines. :)

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Exactly.

That's why KO has to settle it.

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You must surely remember my repeated advice to Americans concerning what they should do from Europe:

F _ CK _FF

Would you like to buy a vowel?


Plus, they are stealth submarines. So they can strike from any unknown place with multiple warheads. Stationary nukes on land can be destroyed by a pre-emptive strike. If we put them on subs, there's nothing our enemies can do to prevent us from firing them when such need arises.

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Installments was the word you wanted, Iron.


Czechia got more per capita, and Prague wasn't razed to the ground neither were 6 million Czechs murdered, so there's no point mentioning that.

And you are all missing the point--seeing that the 1953 "waiver" is totally invalid and has never been legally confirmed by any Polish government, it opens the gate for various kinds of sh*t stirrers on both sides of the border to come back to the issue indefinitely.

That's why it should be settled between the current pro-German government in Poland and the German side (because if PiS comes back to power they will make a huge mess out of it again) once and for all, so that nobody can come back to it in the future.

And it has to be something beneficial for both sides - for example, if Russia decides to go on a rampage again, Poland will be shielding Germany from the attack, therefore if Germany armed one Polish division with brand new tanks, AFVs and artillery, I would say that'd be enough as a reparation and a very symbolic gesture at the same time - Polish soldiers armed and equipped with German weapons and gear. We could even come up with some kick-ass name for the division... 1. Sarmatisch-Nordische Mechanisierte Division (1. Sarm.-Nord.). Think about it - it would be sooo cool! :)

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xD

If you thought letting Greeks into the euro zone was a mistake, just wait and see what Bulgarians are capable of.

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If you check my earlier posts in this thread, you will see that it really hasn't.

That's the problem. One day we may have an ultra-nationalist government who will pursue the question of reparations and they WILL have a legal point; and your idea of connecting the issue of reparations with Soviet-enforced border shifts after WW2 is legally dodgy to say the least.

That's why, if a symbolic form of reparations was agreed upon (I don't know... weapons deliveries for common defense, some Polish-German historic fund to commemorate the victims - something like that) and if Poland said officially that we accept this as reparations, THEN the case would be well and truly closed, and nobody would be able to bring it back in the future.


We don't.

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Nonsense.


With this I can agree.

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It would definitely not be funny for the Germans to lose the 4th largest buyer of their goods. Germany exports more to Poland than to China or Italy.

It would also hurt our economy but Poles are used to being poor. We were not only poor for the most of our history but also ravaged by wars, occupations and uprisings. We can survive the kind of hardship that would be absolutely unbearable for the overwhelming majority of European nations. We would simply be back to factory settings. Maybe it would even be better for Poland as a nation--the retarded consumerism has already influenced our birthrates and traditional values. Down with this kind of thing.

By the way - I agree with Tusk about reparations: some other form, even if merely symbolic, should be agreed upon and the case finally closed for the benefit of peace and cooperation in Europe. And THEN the case can finally be legally closed, so that nobody is able bring it back again in the future.

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That's what I said - good trade.


... and all the lovely Bandera fan club core lands.

If I weren't Polish, I would say 'thank you' but we are horribly ungrateful.

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But you took the same amount of land + the territory the size of Czechia from us.


Quite happy.

Wilno and Lwów were cool, but apart from that you took some backwards wooden villages, swamps and forests, and the banderist vipers' nest. Good trade.

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You are right, I stand corrected. Thank you, dobri brate.

We were called slaves, untermenschen, Iroquois of Europe, monkeys with watches, and whatnot many times before, so I suppose "Afroamericans" is not the worst they can come up with. Actually, I might even embrace that part of me and buy a basketball when it gets a bit warmer...

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So... for 123 + 44 = 167 years or so we were n*ggers of n*ggers? Like double f*cking n*ggers???

OK, I am slowly getting depressed here. :(

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Hm...

OK, but one thing that bothers me is that complete and stubborn refusal to even negotiate. Like, for example, agree to a lower (or much lower) sum, or exchange it for weapons deliveries etc. etc. Anything.

But no... there's just one stubborn refusal.

Suspicious...


Maybe Jews are n*ggers too. And the French... and any other country ever invaded that demanded reparations for losses? Maybe there are many more n*gger countries in the world than just African ones?

Interesting.

Maybe AfD will publish a book/booklet about n*ggers. I would buy it! :)

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Whenever they can? Name me two or three cases when Poland played the "oppression and discrimination card". If we do it whenever we can, then surely you can find countless such examples. Are Greeks n*ggers too? They also demanded reparations from Germany didn't they?


Erm... does Tusk government demand anything from Germany?

Just saying that the reparations case has not been legally closed, and expecting to settle it in some way open for negotiations, is hardly a "hostile demand", is it? But they don't even do that! If we hear about it, it is either from the opposition or from the president (Kaczyński's "invention").


Well, yes - we have already established that, but the acknowledgement of borders never had anything to do with reparations. If it did - there would be documents saying so - like...

"We The Bundesrepublik Deutschland hereby acknowledge forever and ever Polish-German borders and in return Rzeczpospolita Polska agrees to never demand any reparations from us."

... or something along those lines, right?

Is there any such document?

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Oh... you were discussing Polish villages in 1800s? I thought you were talking about the Church today.

But even back then, a peasant could travel to a neighbouring village for a local fair and go to confession there. You realise that Catholics are obliged to go to confession only once a year in the Easter period. It's not like those peasants were lining up for confession every week. :)


Turk?

Is this some kind of Volksdeutsch humour that I am too Polish to understand?

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If you mean border changes then yes, but what's wrong with reparations that have never been paid. 🤔


Not that wrong about what? The n*ggers part or the thieves part or being a bigger threat than Russia part? Not wrong about which thing exactly?


Says who? Any documents, legal cases, state-level agreements? Give me anything substantial, BB. Anything.

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... but these are two completely separate cases. The lands were never meant to be any sort of reparations. It was Stalin's dirty trick to keep the Soviet Union as Poland's only guarantee of keeping the lands in the West while he stole much more than that in the East, and keep us in eternal check.


Well, not really - the case of borders has been legally settled (did you follow the link above?) whilst the case of reparations hasn't.