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Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / The most pro-Russian Polish politicians [14]
By the way, does anyone know what happened to him?
I've heard rumours that he took his backpack, went to Ukraine to apologise to Ukrainians first and has been missing ever since.
But maybe it's just vicious people talking nonsense.
Pawian
By the way, does anyone know what happened to him?
I've heard rumours that he took his backpack, went to Ukraine to apologise to Ukrainians first and has been missing ever since.
But maybe it's just vicious people talking nonsense.
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
With a woman on his lap he would be better off making 3 or 4 future soldiers for Poland (that would, in 20 years, produce an equivalent of a Russian company, according to your maths). :)
with the woman on his lap
With a woman on his lap he would be better off making 3 or 4 future soldiers for Poland (that would, in 20 years, produce an equivalent of a Russian company, according to your maths). :)
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
@Korvinus
What's 40,000 soldiers?
In just one battle (Bzura) in September 1939 we counter-attacked 425,000 Germans with over 200,000 of our own, and today we get excited about 40k men. It's not even enough for one proper battle. :(
But I suppose Zapad this year is smaller than it used to be.
@Korvinus
What's 40,000 soldiers?
In just one battle (Bzura) in September 1939 we counter-attacked 425,000 Germans with over 200,000 of our own, and today we get excited about 40k men. It's not even enough for one proper battle. :(
But I suppose Zapad this year is smaller than it used to be.
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / The most pro-Russian Polish politicians [14]
Look, there must be at least one moderately pro-Russian party in the Sejm.
Balance of nature, as Pawian used to say.
Bosak was just speaking in the Sejm
Look, there must be at least one moderately pro-Russian party in the Sejm.
Balance of nature, as Pawian used to say.
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
Hm... good point. OK, we will repaint the words. The corrected signs should be ready in 2037.
shouldn't the words be in russian?
Hm... good point. OK, we will repaint the words. The corrected signs should be ready in 2037.
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
@Bratwurst Boy
Great news, BB! Poland is also not idle in this difficult time. We have just purchased 1,000,000 of these...
... they will be placed on the entire length of our eastern border! ;)
@Bratwurst Boy
Great news, BB! Poland is also not idle in this difficult time. We have just purchased 1,000,000 of these...
... they will be placed on the entire length of our eastern border! ;)
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / The most pro-Russian Polish politicians [14]
I wouldn't be so sure. It is, after all, the people - the salt of this earth - who are making internet memes...
... xD
it is not the perception by the general society
I wouldn't be so sure. It is, after all, the people - the salt of this earth - who are making internet memes...
... xD
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
No wonder. She's from Kielce, the city of pocket knives. ;)
it sounds like Paulina is ready to go full GI Jane
No wonder. She's from Kielce, the city of pocket knives. ;)
Torq
11 Sep 2025
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
Yes, that's curious - if they ran out of fuel shouldn't they crash? It's as if someone landed them exactly where they were supposed to land.
Let's read and analyze everything, from both sides. Surely that's what's being done "by those whose job it is to do it", so let's imitate those wisemen. :)
just planed and landed in the fields, almost intact
Yes, that's curious - if they ran out of fuel shouldn't they crash? It's as if someone landed them exactly where they were supposed to land.
More feeble orc attempts to obfuscate.
Let's read and analyze everything, from both sides. Surely that's what's being done "by those whose job it is to do it", so let's imitate those wisemen. :)
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
The best calm and balanced way to deal with such violations of airspace would be sending accidental unarmed drones to Królewiec and Belarus, and giving Ukraine 100 drones and 1000 Starlinks every time it happens.
But then they would really be tempted to send those drones themselves! xD
The best calm and balanced way to deal with such violations of airspace would be sending accidental unarmed drones to Królewiec and Belarus, and giving Ukraine 100 drones and 1000 Starlinks every time it happens.
But then they would really be tempted to send those drones themselves! xD
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / The most pro-Russian Polish politicians [14]
Good point.
By pro-Russian I meant the perception of their actions by the general society (as in the examples given in the opening post).
Also, being perceived as pro-Russian does not disqualify a politician in public eyes (Mentzen and even Braun enjoy a solid, steady support).
How about judging them for their job as Polish politicians?
Good point.
By pro-Russian I meant the perception of their actions by the general society (as in the examples given in the opening post).
Also, being perceived as pro-Russian does not disqualify a politician in public eyes (Mentzen and even Braun enjoy a solid, steady support).
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
If so, then my opinion of Putin has just dropped significantly.
After the provocation there are voices in the EU to send more aid to Ukraine, and what's the point of helping to strenghten the air defence of NATO East Flank which is Putin's obvious next target?
Testing Polish reaction and NATO response is the most commonsensical explanation.
Putin's cunning plan
If so, then my opinion of Putin has just dropped significantly.
After the provocation there are voices in the EU to send more aid to Ukraine, and what's the point of helping to strenghten the air defence of NATO East Flank which is Putin's obvious next target?
Testing Polish reaction and NATO response is the most commonsensical explanation.
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
The shopkeepers can actually fly and shoot? Well, well, well... Fair play, to Latający Holendrzy. :)
Who is saying Ukraine "fake manufactured" those drones? Just curious because it takes a special kind of idiot to believe that.
Sure...
businessinsider.com/department-13-mesmer-drones-2017-1?IR=T
311institute.com/new-us-military-intercept-tech-lets-operators-take-control-of-enemy-drones/
yahoo.com/news/military-tech-hacks-takes-control-234956714.html
... the technology has been available for roughly a decade now (the second article is from 2017).
Yes, but he's certainly not retarded enough to believe that 19 unarmed drones would intimidate Poland. It was more about testing NATO response.
especially to the Dutch pilots
The shopkeepers can actually fly and shoot? Well, well, well... Fair play, to Latający Holendrzy. :)
I've seen people
Who is saying Ukraine "fake manufactured" those drones? Just curious because it takes a special kind of idiot to believe that.
Any links?
Sure...
businessinsider.com/department-13-mesmer-drones-2017-1?IR=T
311institute.com/new-us-military-intercept-tech-lets-operators-take-control-of-enemy-drones/
yahoo.com/news/military-tech-hacks-takes-control-234956714.html
... the technology has been available for roughly a decade now (the second article is from 2017).
Remember how he brought his dog to the meeting with Merkel even though it was common knowledge she's afraid of dogs?
Yes, but he's certainly not retarded enough to believe that 19 unarmed drones would intimidate Poland. It was more about testing NATO response.
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
Nobody says Ukraine produced or "fake manufactured" these drones, but they might have hacked them, taken over control and redirected them towards Poland. Such action would be nearly impossible to prove, so not much risk for Ukrainians and a lot to gain.
Nobody mentions it officially for fear of being called a ruska onuca etc. but there is such possibility and there were instances of both sides - Russians and Ukrainians - taking over the other side's drones.
However, taking into account that Zapad '25 is beginning soon and Putin feels strong support from China, he might well have ordered such provocation. Maybe to test the NATO response, maybe to scare us (lol). Russians sometimes act illogically. I'd say it's 65-35 chances between Putin f*cking around and Ukraine trying dirty tricks. So much more likely it was Russia.
The reason that it's happening is because the West wasn't decisive enough in 2022. I blame nuclear weapons. In the good old days, rotten, corrupt and weak countries who tried to f*ck around too much, very quickly found out. Nuclear weapons allow decomposing, stinking bodies of certain countries to be kept on life support. Disgusting.
It's against nature. It's against honour. It's against natural selection.
This is of course bullsh*t - some of the drones have much higher range and even the Gerberas were equipped with extra fuel tanks to increase their range.
Ukraine doesn't produce those drones and even if they decided to "fake manufacture" them it would be very risky considering how closely supervised the skies are in this conflict and how politically volatile it would be if it turned out they were sent by Ukraine
Nobody says Ukraine produced or "fake manufactured" these drones, but they might have hacked them, taken over control and redirected them towards Poland. Such action would be nearly impossible to prove, so not much risk for Ukrainians and a lot to gain.
He didn't mention the possibility of those drones being "taken over" by Ukrainians.
Nobody mentions it officially for fear of being called a ruska onuca etc. but there is such possibility and there were instances of both sides - Russians and Ukrainians - taking over the other side's drones.
However, taking into account that Zapad '25 is beginning soon and Putin feels strong support from China, he might well have ordered such provocation. Maybe to test the NATO response, maybe to scare us (lol). Russians sometimes act illogically. I'd say it's 65-35 chances between Putin f*cking around and Ukraine trying dirty tricks. So much more likely it was Russia.
The reason that it's happening is because the West wasn't decisive enough in 2022. I blame nuclear weapons. In the good old days, rotten, corrupt and weak countries who tried to f*ck around too much, very quickly found out. Nuclear weapons allow decomposing, stinking bodies of certain countries to be kept on life support. Disgusting.
It's against nature. It's against honour. It's against natural selection.
drones that they used for attacking Ukraine have only a range of 700 km
This is of course bullsh*t - some of the drones have much higher range and even the Gerberas were equipped with extra fuel tanks to increase their range.
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
... not to mention still quite a few trained reservists (especially in AA defence ;)).
Setka z rana jak śmietana :D
Do I sound like I'm worried? Saint Virgin Mary has us in her protection always. Relax, Jonno.
a very large and skillful military, very good training and the tragic history of Polad and the rich history of its army
... not to mention still quite a few trained reservists (especially in AA defence ;)).
not least the vodka at 9am
Setka z rana jak śmietana :D
You shouldn't worry too much.
Do I sound like I'm worried? Saint Virgin Mary has us in her protection always. Relax, Jonno.
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / The most pro-Russian Polish politicians [14]
Novi is half dead and a clown and he can still cause some annoyance in the forum. In the same way JKM can still cause some annoyance in Polish politics.
You should be writing for Polska Zbrojna ha ha
Well, he certainly is not a big friend of Ukraine.
C is half dead and a clown
Novi is half dead and a clown and he can still cause some annoyance in the forum. In the same way JKM can still cause some annoyance in Polish politics.
Polish intelligence services are competent, professional, know their job very well and care about Poland which they swear to protect
You should be writing for Polska Zbrojna ha ha
Nawrocki would had been closest
Well, he certainly is not a big friend of Ukraine.
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
Mostly in the civilian sector. As I said before, Poland is by and large a victim of her own success: a G20 economy, ever increasing wages, and practically zero unemployment make military jobs quite unattractive to most men with brains and balls. Also, the army is full of slightly retarded troglodytes who are there only because their dad or uncle was/is in the service.
In the old days it was 'za mundurem panny sznurem'; these days if you tell a girl you're in the army it's 'nie wiem co czuję, muszę to przemyśleć' haha :D
is in the civilian sector or abroad
Mostly in the civilian sector. As I said before, Poland is by and large a victim of her own success: a G20 economy, ever increasing wages, and practically zero unemployment make military jobs quite unattractive to most men with brains and balls. Also, the army is full of slightly retarded troglodytes who are there only because their dad or uncle was/is in the service.
In the old days it was 'za mundurem panny sznurem'; these days if you tell a girl you're in the army it's 'nie wiem co czuję, muszę to przemyśleć' haha :D
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / The most pro-Russian Polish politicians [14]
As in the thread title.
Of course, I don't mean muppets like Piskorski, Maciak or Tołwiński but proper politicians with at least a couple of percent support among Poles and active in/with some influence on mainline politics.
(A) Sławomir Mentzen (Konfederacja) - publicly called for a negotiated agreement with Vladimir Putin to end the war in Ukraine and implied that Ukraine is treating Poland unfairly, made comments aligning with pro-Russian or at least Russia-conciliatory narratives.
(B) Grzegorz Braun (Konfederacja Korony Polskiej) - was praised by Russian media for his positions on Ukraine, voted against the Sejm resolution condemning Russia's invasion, and in 2022 joined a pro-Russian rally.
(C) Janusz Korwin-Mikke (Konfederacja ORWiN) - publicly supported the annexation of Crimea, challenged Russian accountability (e.g. for the Bucha massacre), appeared on Russian TV, and pushed narratives blaming Ukraine and minimizing Russian aggression. Also, notorius for calling Putin "Jego Ekscelencja".
(D) other (why?)
Cast your votes.
As in the thread title.
Of course, I don't mean muppets like Piskorski, Maciak or Tołwiński but proper politicians with at least a couple of percent support among Poles and active in/with some influence on mainline politics.
(A) Sławomir Mentzen (Konfederacja) - publicly called for a negotiated agreement with Vladimir Putin to end the war in Ukraine and implied that Ukraine is treating Poland unfairly, made comments aligning with pro-Russian or at least Russia-conciliatory narratives.
(B) Grzegorz Braun (Konfederacja Korony Polskiej) - was praised by Russian media for his positions on Ukraine, voted against the Sejm resolution condemning Russia's invasion, and in 2022 joined a pro-Russian rally.
(C) Janusz Korwin-Mikke (Konfederacja ORWiN) - publicly supported the annexation of Crimea, challenged Russian accountability (e.g. for the Bucha massacre), appeared on Russian TV, and pushed narratives blaming Ukraine and minimizing Russian aggression. Also, notorius for calling Putin "Jego Ekscelencja".
(D) other (why?)
Cast your votes.
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
It would be even better with a different president in America.
With Trump... it's good but not brilliant.
it's good that these drones flew in
It would be even better with a different president in America.
With Trump... it's good but not brilliant.
Torq
11 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
The plot thickens even more - General Kukuła (Chief of the Defence Staff) confirms that Belarus warned us before the drones entered our airspace. So, it looks like they might have been taken over electronically and redirected towards Poland by someone who has such capability.
In other news, the Czechs offered to send a special chopper unit right away to help us defend from low flying drones. Fair play, little brothers. :)
The plot thickens even more - General Kukuła (Chief of the Defence Staff) confirms that Belarus warned us before the drones entered our airspace. So, it looks like they might have been taken over electronically and redirected towards Poland by someone who has such capability.
In other news, the Czechs offered to send a special chopper unit right away to help us defend from low flying drones. Fair play, little brothers. :)
Torq
10 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
@Bobko
Iveco, Tales, Mistral - at least it is foreigners who were f*cking you in the anus. In Poland our own are even worse - a silly mortar grenade that normally costs 500pln, when Polish army comes shopping the contract price is 2500pln (for real). Everyone and their grandmother wants to make money on the Army. :-/
@Bobko
Iveco, Tales, Mistral - at least it is foreigners who were f*cking you in the anus. In Poland our own are even worse - a silly mortar grenade that normally costs 500pln, when Polish army comes shopping the contract price is 2500pln (for real). Everyone and their grandmother wants to make money on the Army. :-/
Torq
10 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
Oh, we do have resources. The question is: how do we use them?
For example, Poland has the only NATO standard TNT factory in Europe (Nitro-Chem Bydgoszcz). Do we use its output to produce sh*tloads of artillery ammo that we will eventually desperately need? No. Instead of that we sell it to Americans at cost price (over twice cheaper than India!). We have some money to spend on weapons as well, but when Poles come to buy something the prices magically rise (sometimes up to 40%). The Turks and Italians look at us as if we were retards and can't believe how much we pay. etc.
We could be like Switzerland - impenetrable. Instead our defences are still inadequate. Hopefully, the whole drones affair - whoever is behind it - will force more serious defense build-up.
But do they have enough resources
Oh, we do have resources. The question is: how do we use them?
For example, Poland has the only NATO standard TNT factory in Europe (Nitro-Chem Bydgoszcz). Do we use its output to produce sh*tloads of artillery ammo that we will eventually desperately need? No. Instead of that we sell it to Americans at cost price (over twice cheaper than India!). We have some money to spend on weapons as well, but when Poles come to buy something the prices magically rise (sometimes up to 40%). The Turks and Italians look at us as if we were retards and can't believe how much we pay. etc.
We could be like Switzerland - impenetrable. Instead our defences are still inadequate. Hopefully, the whole drones affair - whoever is behind it - will force more serious defense build-up.
Torq
10 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
Anyways--just a theoretical question: what if this was indeed a Ukrainian operation? Do we attack Ukraine? :)
Anyways--just a theoretical question: what if this was indeed a Ukrainian operation? Do we attack Ukraine? :)
Torq
10 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
Your mum's liberal.
But the rocket that killed two farmers in Przewodów was Ukrainian after all and not Russian as everyone thought at first.
It's a possibility.
It looks like it. But it won't hurt to double-check, just in case.
Shut up, liberal.
Your mum's liberal.
They always do.
But the rocket that killed two farmers in Przewodów was Ukrainian after all and not Russian as everyone thought at first.
What if the drones were actually launched by Ukraine to invite NATO to WW3?
It's a possibility.
I think it is a Russian action
It looks like it. But it won't hurt to double-check, just in case.
Torq
10 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
No Russian plane violated Polish airspace. It was drones. Are we 100% sure those were Russian drones? Russia denies.
Maybe it's the potato fuhrer f*cking around because he's butthurt we closed the border for the duration of Zapad and all those AliExpress and Temu stuff is stuck in Belarus?
Maybe it's the Ukrainians trying to drag us more into the war? Do you think they're not capable of that? Remember when that rocket fell in Przewodów? Everyone was initially blaming Russia but it turned out to be a Ukrainian rocket.
Let's calm down, investigate it thoroughly, and then - when we are 100% sure what happened - we can start shooting.
we should just do like Erdogan did, shot down Russian plane
No Russian plane violated Polish airspace. It was drones. Are we 100% sure those were Russian drones? Russia denies.
Maybe it's the potato fuhrer f*cking around because he's butthurt we closed the border for the duration of Zapad and all those AliExpress and Temu stuff is stuck in Belarus?
Maybe it's the Ukrainians trying to drag us more into the war? Do you think they're not capable of that? Remember when that rocket fell in Przewodów? Everyone was initially blaming Russia but it turned out to be a Ukrainian rocket.
Let's calm down, investigate it thoroughly, and then - when we are 100% sure what happened - we can start shooting.
Torq
10 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
I'm not opposed to the idea itself. We simply don't have the capabilities.
A better idea would be to institute a NATO no-fly zone over a buffer area in Ukraine, with joint NATO forces.
Shooting down missiles while they're still over Ukraine was proposed by serious politicians and generals.
I'm not opposed to the idea itself. We simply don't have the capabilities.
A better idea would be to institute a NATO no-fly zone over a buffer area in Ukraine, with joint NATO forces.
Torq
10 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
Did you read the article? Using Patriots for what you suggested is not very likely and SkySabre and Mała Narew are designed specifically to defend objects in Poland, whilst Poprad, Pilica and Piorun are all short-range.
I wrote that we are not at war.
It all depends. If they are willing to sacrifice millions of their soldiers (and they don't seem to value human life very highly), then they currently have much higher material capabilities to conduct war against Eastern Flank of NATO (Finland, the Baltics, Poland) than they did in 2015.
Look, I'm not saying that we should sit back and watch idly how further waves of drones are violating our airspace. However, let's not make rash decisions.
tech.wp.pl/polskie-patrioty-ochronia-ukraine-ekspert-wydaje-sie-sceptyczny,7047552255237056a
Did you read the article? Using Patriots for what you suggested is not very likely and SkySabre and Mała Narew are designed specifically to defend objects in Poland, whilst Poprad, Pilica and Piorun are all short-range.
You wrote yourself that we're not in a conflict.
I wrote that we are not at war.
I doubt that for the time being they're willing, ready and able to make war with the entire NATO.
It all depends. If they are willing to sacrifice millions of their soldiers (and they don't seem to value human life very highly), then they currently have much higher material capabilities to conduct war against Eastern Flank of NATO (Finland, the Baltics, Poland) than they did in 2015.
Look, I'm not saying that we should sit back and watch idly how further waves of drones are violating our airspace. However, let's not make rash decisions.
Torq
10 Sep 2025
News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]
Absolutely no need for that.
Article 4 was triggered...
tvpworld.com/88842008/nato-triggers-article-4-after-polish-jets-shoot-down-russian-drones-in-airspace
... and so far it's quite enough.
Don't panic, guys. If there is to be war, there will be war. If there will be war, we will win it.
However, as of today, we are not at war with Russia yet. Chill out.
Article 5!
Absolutely no need for that.
Article 4 was triggered...
tvpworld.com/88842008/nato-triggers-article-4-after-polish-jets-shoot-down-russian-drones-in-airspace
... and so far it's quite enough.
Don't panic, guys. If there is to be war, there will be war. If there will be war, we will win it.
However, as of today, we are not at war with Russia yet. Chill out.