News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]


We certainly don't have such long-range capabilites to cover the Ukrainian territory, so your idea would involve placing our AA batteries in Ukraine. Can you see the risk?


In any conflict it always happens on both sides.


You are referring to the incident from 2015. Back then Russia didn't want war with either Turkey or (especially) NATO. These days their entire economy is switched into war mode and they are producing large quantities of weapons with the exact purpose of war with NATO. That's why they would most likely react differently than in 2015. Hastening the outbreak of the war with Russia is hardly reasonable before we get ready for it. In 3 years time (preferably 5 though), they can invade away. Today, it would mean a lot of blood shed unnecessarily.

Russia denies those were Russian drones...

kyivindependent.com/moscow-says-no-evidence-drones-downed-over-poland-were-russian/

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You would be punishing those who don't necessarily agree with the putinist government, as well as their children who are in Polish education system.


Exactly.


That would involve using our airplanes over Ukraine. That would mean the airplanes might be shot down by Russians, and that would mean war. So, if we want to avoid the direct hot war with Russia*, it's probably not the best idea.


But our planes enter Russian airspace as well, by accident or not. Our choppers fly over Belarus as well, accidentally or not. Should they be shot down as well? It's easy to start a full-blown war, Paulina, but slightly more difficult to stop it.

Could someone, please, change the thread title to "NATO's aid to Poland if Russia invades" or something similar? The current title is misleading - we are not at war with Russia yet.

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* - and, yes, we want to avoid it because we are not ready yet

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So, an unarmed drone, slightly larger than Gerbera, testing our air defences.


Probably inside the building - it looks like it flew through the roof/side wall.

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Russian charge d'affaires says that there is no evidence to confirm the accusations that the drones were Russian.

wydarzenia.interia.pl/zagranica/news-rosyjski-dyplomata-wezwany-przez-polskie-msz-oskarzenia-bezp,nId,22417649

The plot thickens. Is it Potato Führer trying to f*ck with us more than he should? WTF? :-/

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Can Gerbera do this...



... or do you think it was something larger?

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Cheers, Jonno.

Apparently some of the drones flew directly from Belarus. Interesting :)

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Anyways, there is a possibility that I might have to stop posting here for an indefinite period of time. If and when it happens, it won't be because I think you're all c*nts or because something bad happened to me (remember the Polish proverb - złego diabli nie biorą), so @BB - don't panic. ;)

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As far as I know nobody was hurt in the attack and most of the drones were shot down.


Well, the number of Shahed drones indicates that it was no accident. I don't know if it's time for "the button" but it's definitely time for diplomatic action: closing the border and reconsidering the necessity of the presence of Russian ambassador in Warsaw. Let's wait and see what the Russians say but it will be rather difficult for them to claim that it was an accident. On the other hand - what might have been the point? A retarded small-scale provocation? Strange...

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Finally! No wonder you suddenly sound more commonsensical about the war - women have that effect on men (good women that is).

Congratulations again to you and your fair lady!

Now we're waiting for little Bobkos to appear, so you can fully and surely move into the peace camp with the rest of us. ;)


Great date. August in general is the best month for weddings. :)


True. He was the soul of PF. Those who didn't appreciate him... I doubt whether they are Polish or Slavic at all.


Our szlachta were a bit smarter than that. That's probably why they avoided the fate of Russian gentry and we didn't have a socialist revolution. They pulled the Japanese trick on our peasants - just like the ruling classes in Japan were able to convince Japanese peasants that they were all descendants of samurai (and should display the same qualities in battle for their country), Polish gentry educated our peasants that they were all noblemen - ask any Pole and he will tell you that his great-great-great-...-granpa was at least a winged hussar (if not Sobieski himself!).

As for the closing of Poland's border for the duration of Zapad '25, Belarus is huffing and puffing but they brought it on themselves. I think the border should stay closed for as long as Lukashenka is conducting hybrid warfare against us.

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Your who?

Wait a minute... you got married??? Mazel tov and all that but why didn't you tell us anything? Who's the lucky girl? An American or an émigrée - tell me everything!


:)

No wiser words have been spoken on this forum since Crow called Poland the Real Sarmatia and Great Mother of All Slavia (or something to that effect).

As opposed to you, Bobi, I am a morning person so gotta catch some z's now. When I wake up at 4:30 am, I want to read full report about your better half.

Good night!

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You know what Asians say...

Roses are red, violets are blue,
There's always a Pole that's smarter than you.

... or is it the other way around? ;)

You are right about the students' background. As far as I know most of their parents have university degrees.

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Cheers for that, quite interesting.


"Stirlitz - thought the wh*res.
Wh*res - thought Stirlitz."


Good one. :)

Russian/Belarussian/Ukrainian students learn the Polish language very quickly. Sometimes, if they have names that might as well be Polish, I wouldn't be able to tell they are not native speakers if I didn't have the student's info in my e-register. Apart from being able to learn the language, they more often than not receive above average grades in both sciences and humanities. This means that either they are genetically superior to Poles or they come from a Jewish-like culture, where books are cherished and read widely from early age. Something tells me it's the latter.


Anywhere near Tricity perhaps?

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Do what I did, start working much less. Money's overrated, once you have enough it's enough.


I am cruising towards retirement - only 19 years left, can't wait. :)

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What? Russians have libraries in their dachas? I bet they only contain orc manuals on skinning children alive and some obscure fairy tales about horsemen without heads. ;)


Yaaaaawn...

Tell us about the books you like, Ryszard. We know about the guns and Corvettes but we never hear about literature from you. You are a Soviet-block engineer - that's a rough equivalent of Western literature professor. Come on, give us some good recommendations.

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More like being bored with the SMO/FSI.

But you're right, we are dragging the thread off-topic. Very well then...

onet.pl/informacje/onetlublin/premier-tusk-reaguje-na-manewry-na-bialorusi-konsekwencje-odczuja-tez-polacy/zlpv3fm,79cfc278

Poland is closing the border with Belarus - aka The Chinese Gateway to Europe - because of "the aggressive Zapad 2025 military exercises". I don't really care, I never order anything from AliExpress or Temu. The border should have been closed completely right after Lukashenka started sending hordes of third worlders to Poland. Maybe then the Chinese would have "convinced" him to stop being a retard.

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English wiki mentions his popularity in Poland...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wharton_(author)

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I was thinking about William. :)

For some reason, he was immensely popular in Poland (all his books were published in Polish) and his novels topped the bestsellers' lists. There were even books about Wharton and the phenomenon of his popularity in Poland by Polish authors (Fordoński and Podolska).

I never understood the hype but hey, de gustibus non est disputandum and all that.

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True! He was popular even among high schoolers.

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He was Polish socialists' favourite though - if anything of American literature was read on Polish universities during PRL, it was Steinbeck. They loved him!


Special Military Operation/Full Scale Invasion


Ah, collecting admiring glances from every lady in the neighborhood, and one death glare from your wife. :) Don't we all?

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Well, you are right to some extent, but I spoke to a quite brilliant young Russian from St. Petersburg recently. I taught him Physics last year* and he visited me at the beginning of this school year and told me a lot about himself and about his plans for the future. Despite being very young he expressed no excitation whatsoever with the war in Ukraine, he even told me that most of his friends in St. Petersburg are not interested at all in the SMO/FSI. Funny thing though, he told me he gave up on Warsaw as his choice of university because there's too many Ukrainians there. :) During the school year, however, I never noticed any animosity between Ukrainians and Russians/Belarussians.

* in case you're wondering, apart from Ukrainians we got quite a few students from Belarus and Russia as well after 2022

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You beat me to it, BB. :)

Football was invented for endorphins. It works much better than dismembering women and children with artillery. At least for me.

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If it took a smart guy like you three and a half years to figure this out, then this SMO/FSI will last for another three years at least before the general population catches up. :-/

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No wonder. Her heroes have their own happiness as all the moral purpose of their lives. Randism is a cult of selfishness and personal achievement at all cost. It's a mix of capitalism and satanism.

I got Mary Barton, South Riding, Love on the Dole, and A Scot's Quair; now I only have to find time to read them. I've recently read Keep the Aspidistra Flying - it was hilarious. :)

Anyways, I read Gorky and Steinbeck and it didn't turn me into a socialist, so I wouldn't hold my breath, Jonno.

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I try to, but it makes me dizzy sometimes!


Another optimist. :)

Oh, well... I really hope you're right, guys. *fingers crossed*

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... and now Medvedev is raging against Finland...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/zagranica/news-miedwiediew-otwarcie-grozi-panstwu-nato-jak-przed-atakiem-na,nId,22303493

Ehh... get ready, boys...

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Indeed. The lack of elites in the West these days is appalling.


I try to be a good Christian and that's quite enough for me. Socialism has this annoying tendency to eventually developing gulags, censorship, and meat and cheese ration cards. No, thank you.

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Exactly!

When Ukraine loses Donbass and invades Poland to regain "Закерзоння" and compensate for the loss in the east, the West will be so confused that they will probably still send Ukraine weapons and money before they realise what's happening.


Can you realistically see Russia losing - with the USA no longer giving too much of a toss and European NATO being what it is?


It will always depend on the mood in the Kremlin unless at least 4 EU countries (Poland, Germany, Finland, Romania) develop their strong and independent nuclear forces.


Oh, your eternal optimism, BB! :)

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That's the point. The Cold War was when the USA and Soviet Union made proxy wars somewhere in Asia or Africa and we read about it in newspapers. When Ukraine is invaded and soon maybe Poland, then there is nothing cold about it - indeed it is very hot!


It all depends on the price. I shall ask again: is the West invading (or in ANY meaningful way punishing) Hungary and Slovakia? No? Then why should Poland not conduct similar policies: remaining the part of the West while maintaining friendly relations with Russia? If Slovaks and Hungarians can, why can't we?

As I said, it depends on the price. If the victorious West means millions of Poles dead and Poland razed to the ground once again, then I suppose I'll take a rain check.

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If only it was so easy, BB. If only.

It's not like we have to tick a box: (A) victorious Russia (B) victorious West, and that's it. There are many shades of grey between and a different option is good for Portugal and different for Poland. Hungary and Slovakia are conducting strongly pro-Russian policies. Are they being invaded by the West because of it? No, but they are safeguarding their interests in case of Russia going full retard.

We have much more to lose in case of the ever-more-likely war with Russia than we have to win in case of Ukrainian "victory" (whatever that means, and which doesn't exclude Polish-Russian or Polish-Ukrainian war anyway). Especially that Ukraine was never friendly towards Poland - they were your pupils, your Waffen-SS boys (they still cherish the tradition!) and today they even refuse to acknowledge the genocide they commited against Poles.

It's not all that black-and-white.