Posts by Torq - page 11

Torq

11 Sep 2025

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]

is in the civilian sector or abroad

Mostly in the civilian sector. As I said before, Poland is by and large a victim of her own success: a G20 economy, ever increasing wages, and practically zero unemployment make military jobs quite unattractive to most men with brains and balls. Also, the army is full of slightly retarded troglodytes who are there only because their dad or uncle was/is in the service.

In the old days it was 'za mundurem panny sznurem'; these days if you tell a girl you're in the army it's 'nie wiem co czuję, muszę to przemyśleć' haha :D

Torq

11 Sep 2025

News / The most pro-Russian Polish politicians [14]

As in the thread title.

Of course, I don't mean muppets like Piskorski, Maciak or Tołwiński but proper politicians with at least a couple of percent support among Poles and active in/with some influence on mainline politics.

(A) Sławomir Mentzen (Konfederacja) - publicly called for a negotiated agreement with Vladimir Putin to end the war in Ukraine and implied that Ukraine is treating Poland unfairly, made comments aligning with pro-Russian or at least Russia-conciliatory narratives.

(B) Grzegorz Braun (Konfederacja Korony Polskiej) - was praised by Russian media for his positions on Ukraine, voted against the Sejm resolution condemning Russia's invasion, and in 2022 joined a pro-Russian rally.

(C) Janusz Korwin-Mikke (Konfederacja ORWiN) - publicly supported the annexation of Crimea, challenged Russian accountability (e.g. for the Bucha massacre), appeared on Russian TV, and pushed narratives blaming Ukraine and minimizing Russian aggression. Also, notorius for calling Putin "Jego Ekscelencja".

(D) other (why?)

Cast your votes.

Torq

11 Sep 2025

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]

it's good that these drones flew in

It would be even better with a different president in America.

With Trump... it's good but not brilliant.

Torq

11 Sep 2025

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]

The plot thickens even more - General Kukuła (Chief of the Defence Staff) confirms that Belarus warned us before the drones entered our airspace. So, it looks like they might have been taken over electronically and redirected towards Poland by someone who has such capability.

In other news, the Czechs offered to send a special chopper unit right away to help us defend from low flying drones. Fair play, little brothers. :)

Torq

10 Sep 2025

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]

@Bobko

Iveco, Tales, Mistral - at least it is foreigners who were f*cking you in the anus. In Poland our own are even worse - a silly mortar grenade that normally costs 500pln, when Polish army comes shopping the contract price is 2500pln (for real). Everyone and their grandmother wants to make money on the Army. :-/

Torq

10 Sep 2025

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]

But do they have enough resources

Oh, we do have resources. The question is: how do we use them?

For example, Poland has the only NATO standard TNT factory in Europe (Nitro-Chem Bydgoszcz). Do we use its output to produce sh*tloads of artillery ammo that we will eventually desperately need? No. Instead of that we sell it to Americans at cost price (over twice cheaper than India!). We have some money to spend on weapons as well, but when Poles come to buy something the prices magically rise (sometimes up to 40%). The Turks and Italians look at us as if we were retards and can't believe how much we pay. etc.

We could be like Switzerland - impenetrable. Instead our defences are still inadequate. Hopefully, the whole drones affair - whoever is behind it - will force more serious defense build-up.

Torq

10 Sep 2025

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]

Anyways--just a theoretical question: what if this was indeed a Ukrainian operation? Do we attack Ukraine? :)

Torq

10 Sep 2025

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]

Shut up, liberal.

Your mum's liberal.

They always do.

But the rocket that killed two farmers in Przewodów was Ukrainian after all and not Russian as everyone thought at first.

What if the drones were actually launched by Ukraine to invite NATO to WW3?

It's a possibility.

I think it is a Russian action

It looks like it. But it won't hurt to double-check, just in case.

Torq

10 Sep 2025

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]

we should just do like Erdogan did, shot down Russian plane

No Russian plane violated Polish airspace. It was drones. Are we 100% sure those were Russian drones? Russia denies.

Maybe it's the potato fuhrer f*cking around because he's butthurt we closed the border for the duration of Zapad and all those AliExpress and Temu stuff is stuck in Belarus?

Maybe it's the Ukrainians trying to drag us more into the war? Do you think they're not capable of that? Remember when that rocket fell in Przewodów? Everyone was initially blaming Russia but it turned out to be a Ukrainian rocket.

Let's calm down, investigate it thoroughly, and then - when we are 100% sure what happened - we can start shooting.

Torq

10 Sep 2025

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]

Shooting down missiles while they're still over Ukraine was proposed by serious politicians and generals.

I'm not opposed to the idea itself. We simply don't have the capabilities.

A better idea would be to institute a NATO no-fly zone over a buffer area in Ukraine, with joint NATO forces.

Torq

10 Sep 2025

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]

tech.wp.pl/polskie-patrioty-ochronia-ukraine-ekspert-wydaje-sie-sceptyczny,7047552255237056a

Did you read the article? Using Patriots for what you suggested is not very likely and SkySabre and Mała Narew are designed specifically to defend objects in Poland, whilst Poprad, Pilica and Piorun are all short-range.

You wrote yourself that we're not in a conflict.

I wrote that we are not at war.

I doubt that for the time being they're willing, ready and able to make war with the entire NATO.

It all depends. If they are willing to sacrifice millions of their soldiers (and they don't seem to value human life very highly), then they currently have much higher material capabilities to conduct war against Eastern Flank of NATO (Finland, the Baltics, Poland) than they did in 2015.

Look, I'm not saying that we should sit back and watch idly how further waves of drones are violating our airspace. However, let's not make rash decisions.

Torq

10 Sep 2025

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]

Article 5!

Absolutely no need for that.

Article 4 was triggered...

tvpworld.com/88842008/nato-triggers-article-4-after-polish-jets-shoot-down-russian-drones-in-airspace

... and so far it's quite enough.

Don't panic, guys. If there is to be war, there will be war. If there will be war, we will win it.

However, as of today, we are not at war with Russia yet. Chill out.

Torq

10 Sep 2025

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]

No, I meant air defences, not airplanes.

We certainly don't have such long-range capabilites to cover the Ukrainian territory, so your idea would involve placing our AA batteries in Ukraine. Can you see the risk?

Do they though?

In any conflict it always happens on both sides.

Turkey, a NATO country, shot down a RuSSian fighter jet when it violated the country's airspace.

You are referring to the incident from 2015. Back then Russia didn't want war with either Turkey or (especially) NATO. These days their entire economy is switched into war mode and they are producing large quantities of weapons with the exact purpose of war with NATO. That's why they would most likely react differently than in 2015. Hastening the outbreak of the war with Russia is hardly reasonable before we get ready for it. In 3 years time (preferably 5 though), they can invade away. Today, it would mean a lot of blood shed unnecessarily.

Russia denies those were Russian drones...

kyivindependent.com/moscow-says-no-evidence-drones-downed-over-poland-were-russian/

Torq

10 Sep 2025

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]

Deporting r*SSian citizens would be another.

You would be punishing those who don't necessarily agree with the putinist government, as well as their children who are in Polish education system.

The people left are probably those that deserve to stay

Exactly.

the bare minimum would be Poland using its/allied air defences to shoot down RuSSian missiles and drones already over Ukraine before they enter Polish territory

That would involve using our airplanes over Ukraine. That would mean the airplanes might be shot down by Russians, and that would mean war. So, if we want to avoid the direct hot war with Russia*, it's probably not the best idea.

NATO countries should start opening fire at any RuSSian fighter jets "accidentally" entering NATO air space

But our planes enter Russian airspace as well, by accident or not. Our choppers fly over Belarus as well, accidentally or not. Should they be shot down as well? It's easy to start a full-blown war, Paulina, but slightly more difficult to stop it.

Could someone, please, change the thread title to "NATO's aid to Poland if Russia invades" or something similar? The current title is misleading - we are not at war with Russia yet.

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* - and, yes, we want to avoid it because we are not ready yet

Torq

9 Sep 2025

Off-Topic / Music Thread - part 2 [972]

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Torq

9 Sep 2025

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]

look at all of the movements on that chess board called world politics!

I try to, but it makes me dizzy sometimes!

When Russia realises the blunder. A deal or a peace treaty can be signed.

Another optimist. :)

Oh, well... I really hope you're right, guys. *fingers crossed*

Torq

9 Sep 2025

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]

the West is still in the starting boxes....confused, arguing, scratching heads

Exactly!

When Ukraine loses Donbass and invades Poland to regain "Закерзоння" and compensate for the loss in the east, the West will be so confused that they will probably still send Ukraine weapons and money before they realise what's happening.

with Russia losing

Can you realistically see Russia losing - with the USA no longer giving too much of a toss and European NATO being what it is?

Our future safety would depend on the mood in the Kremlin!

It will always depend on the mood in the Kremlin unless at least 4 EU countries (Poland, Germany, Finland, Romania) develop their strong and independent nuclear forces.

Ukraine would become the first clearly drawn border of the so called new world...and all behind would be safe.

Oh, your eternal optimism, BB! :)

Torq

9 Sep 2025

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]

if you see the world with a view of a new developing Cold War

That's the point. The Cold War was when the USA and Soviet Union made proxy wars somewhere in Asia or Africa and we read about it in newspapers. When Ukraine is invaded and soon maybe Poland, then there is nothing cold about it - indeed it is very hot!

would you want to win in the end

It all depends on the price. I shall ask again: is the West invading (or in ANY meaningful way punishing) Hungary and Slovakia? No? Then why should Poland not conduct similar policies: remaining the part of the West while maintaining friendly relations with Russia? If Slovaks and Hungarians can, why can't we?

As I said, it depends on the price. If the victorious West means millions of Poles dead and Poland razed to the ground once again, then I suppose I'll take a rain check.

Torq

9 Sep 2025

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]

the question is, whom do you want to win?

If only it was so easy, BB. If only.

It's not like we have to tick a box: (A) victorious Russia (B) victorious West, and that's it. There are many shades of grey between and a different option is good for Portugal and different for Poland. Hungary and Slovakia are conducting strongly pro-Russian policies. Are they being invaded by the West because of it? No, but they are safeguarding their interests in case of Russia going full retard.

We have much more to lose in case of the ever-more-likely war with Russia than we have to win in case of Ukrainian "victory" (whatever that means, and which doesn't exclude Polish-Russian or Polish-Ukrainian war anyway). Especially that Ukraine was never friendly towards Poland - they were your pupils, your Waffen-SS boys (they still cherish the tradition!) and today they even refuse to acknowledge the genocide they commited against Poles.

It's not all that black-and-white.

Torq

9 Sep 2025

Off-Topic / Music Thread - part 2 [972]

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Torq

9 Sep 2025

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]

the title question is still valid - do we risk more being allied to Russia or being eternally hostile towards her?

Can anyone answer the question already?

No?

OK, I will give you more time to think. Just don't take too long... until the answer is more than obvious.

Torq

8 Sep 2025

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]

a sore point for the Poles

Not for me.

Soviet Union under Gorbatchev (1990) admitted responsibility and expressed regret for the executions, and later (2010) Russia did the same.
Putin was the first Russian leader to attend a memorial ceremony at Katyń.

Good enough for me. That Georgian c*nt, Stalin, killed more Russians than Poles.

Russia didn't pay as much as Germany?

They paid with the lives of 600,000 soldiers who died kicking nazis out of Poland.

Torq

8 Sep 2025

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]

You mean like in Iraq?

Like in Afghanistan or Ukraine.

Desert Storm is ancient history; different world, different wars.

Torq

8 Sep 2025

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]

September 1, 1939

We will never see invasions like the one in 1939 again. Way too expensive for today's bankrupt world and way too many young men taking part in them for today's demographically collapsing nations (both Russia and the West).

Half-arsed SMOs is all that we will get, and repelling a half-arsed SMO is not beyond the capabilities of a determined and brave medium-size nation like Poland.

I win.

I would tell you what you win but I decided to be nicer to people.

Torq

8 Sep 2025

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]

your points are pointless

My point is that if Afghan sheepshaggers could defeat the invaders from both Soviet Union and the USA, then perhaps not all is lost for the rest of us.

I can expand on mine

No, thank you. You already wrote all you wanted to write here a cuntillion and eight times; no point writing it again for the cuntillion and ninth time.

Torq

8 Sep 2025

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]

Poland can prepare for a war with Albania

Oh, so you're that azzhole who flunked geography.

Place the combined forces of the US and the USSR on the mil power scale

... and then add Afghanistan. See my point or not yet?

Torq

8 Sep 2025

News / Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia? [396]

Poland is growing very fast in the right direction all by themselves is my way of thinking.

Growing during peacetime is one thing, Johnny. Properly preparing for war is another.

Poland should already be building Swiss-style territorial defence and train (re-train) adult population for military service. Unfortunately, it's not happening. HIMARSes, Apaches and K2s won't win the war - it is the grey soldier that decides any prolonged conflict. Poland is, to a large extent, a victim of her own success - a G20 economy and practically non-existent unemployment make military service unattractive to majority of suitable men, and it is men in uniform, trained and ready to fight, that Poland needs the most.

Maybe the Slovaks and Hungarians got it right? The USA is not going to invade them, Russia might, so why take any chances?

I am shamelessly bumping the thread because the title question is still valid - do we risk more being allied to Russia or being eternally hostile towards her? Food for thought...

Torq

5 Sep 2025

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]

Already 6 have left this world due to natural causes

Already 7

Onet says 16...

onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/afera-w-niemczech-w-nadrenii-politycy-umieraja-jeden-po-drugim/h33ghzf,79cfc278

Torq

25 Aug 2025

Off-Topic / God and Religion Talk [279]

@Tlum

You're a smart guy.

@Novi

Get a grip FFS

Torq

24 Aug 2025

Off-Topic / Happy Independence Day, Ukraine! [21]

Don't be silly. Slava Ukraini, heroyom slava!

Слава Україні! Героям слава!