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So....investing lotsa money first into...say....solar panels would come alot cheaper in the long run, don't you think?

What's smarter now...to keep using a dirty but cheap energy source (which is not endless available) or building up a clean energy source which will only run out in a few billion years? (That won't explode and contaminate everything that is)!

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.....yeah...and then that thing explodes and Bratwurst Boy in Berlin get's radioactive contaminated and dies...THANK YOU!

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They probably wouldn't have problems with "donating" tax payers money to the newly installed "crown"...

Anyhow....I'm no longer discussing that puzzle, Maf's explanation makes sense...it's okay for me!

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Well, that's whats happening...

But if Maf is correct with the differences of western Catholicism and eastern Orthodoxia then that explains why german Catholics and even the catholic Pope think so differently about helping than you or this Konfederacia party...


worldvision.org/refugees-news-stories/what-does-bible-say-about-refugees


As I said before....GB didn't let monarchy stop it from becoming one of the oldest democracies...they are good for the yellow pages, not much more. Nobody has something against THAT! They don't disturb the political process!:)

But that's not what you have in mind...

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And democracy decides which values are healthy and universal...that's the point! Not you or some autocrat!

Opening their arms and purses for poor strangers no matter the religion or color might be seen by others also as healthy and universal..


A democratic decision to end democracy? There is hopefully something written about it in your constitution....

Merkel is still quite popular....imagine she get's voted for "eternal Queen"....with alot more powers than she has now, no longer "hindered" by party politics and coalition partners and laws etc...

I doubt you would be happy about it!

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Now that is interesting, I didn't know that....

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Imagine she would be a real Queen! :)

But there you have it, democracy is better! Every election is also a kind of hope...eternal monarchy just sucks!

I think that alone will make sure that the Konfederacija will never get anywhere...not even with polish Catholics.

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Datteln 4 isn't secured yet....there is alot of resistance building against this decision...protest has reached the top newspaper....the gov needs some damn good arguments now...there is hope!

spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/die-lage-am-morgen-kohleausstieg-datteln-4-bundestag-julia-kloeckner-a-7402973e-ab64-45f4-8346-50f4d57eedb9

spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/kohleausstieg-bund-will-co2-emissionen-von-datteln-4-ausgleichen-a-583d150f-7b87-442f-acb6-fd3efba94a64

welt.de/politik/deutschland/article205094558/Datteln-4-Klimaschuetzer-bekaempfen-Kohlekraftwerk-trotz-Deal.html

taz.de/Co-Vorsitzende-der-Kohlekommission/!5654331&s=Datteln/

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I've seen you crossing your fingers behind your back...


But isn't that the risk of having a real monarchy? No chance of her leaving office even after a huge **** up...besides with the feet in front.

Merkel will be gone soon...a real Queen? Not!

What then?


That's called different opinions, Milo.

And you can sleep well, it's not our generation which will decide about that....

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Only if you are lucky....

Do you think the EU would be better off with a King?

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Oh **** off!

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

You've got to be ******* kidding me!

The ice has never before melted in that quantity! (Or at least as it did it didn't concern mankind)

ocean.si.edu/holding-tank/ice/ice-melt-poles

"...It's confirmed: both Antarctica and Greenland are losing ice-around 350 billion tons each year-and, as a result, sea level has risen 11.1 millimeters worldwide since 1992..."

Where do you think all that water is going? Yes, into the global seas...whose level is continously rising, alot faster than before!

"....By 2050, sea-level rise will push average annual coastal floods higher than land now home to 300 million people, according to a study published in Nature Communications. High tides could permanently rise above land occupied by over 150 million people, including 30 million in China."

forbes.com/sites/jimdobson/2019/10/30/shocking-new-maps-show-how-sea-level-rise-will-destroy-coastal-cities-by-2050/#4636da18456c

And sadly, not even the clouds will help with that...since the CO2 and the consequential warming of the atmosphere will see less clouds which in turn can no longer stop the sun light which in turn will lead to even hotter temperatures...

Is that really so complicated to understand?

Yes, I know it's scary stuff....but burying your head between your arse cheeks and not-thinking/not-reading/not-learning about it, willing it to be all a bad hoax, is NOT helping at all!

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Is the NASA an okay source?

climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

sealevel.nasa.gov/

It's all there...

documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/156401468136816684/The-impact-of-sea-level-rise-on-developing-countries-a-comparative-analysis

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Yeah....I'm so happy I don't live in the south or near the sea either...*eye roll*

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

How about you would actually READ about it!

I can't spell it out so slowly extra for you....use google...listen to the news...it's all there....but I can't take it from you...you have to open your eyes yourself!

giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/delgenio_03/

nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00685-x

"Clouds' cooling effect could vanish in a warmer world

High concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide can result in the dispersal of cloud banks that reflect roughly 30% of the sunlight that hits them."

It get's only worse!

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quantamagazine.org/cloud-loss-could-add-8-degrees-to-global-warming-20190225/

"...The simulation revealed a tipping point: a level of warming at which stratocumulus clouds break up altogether. The disappearance occurs when the concentration of CO2 in the simulated atmosphere reaches 1,200 parts per million - a level that fossil fuel burning could push us past in about a century, under "business-as-usual" emissions scenarios. In the simulation, when the tipping point is breached, Earth's temperature soars 8 degrees Celsius, in addition to the 4 degrees of warming or more caused by the CO2 directly...."

In short:

More CO2 -more warming - less clouds - more sun - even more warming...

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You really think "global warmers" is something like a party? That we have a choice? A leftist conspiracy?

China is the #1 country which will suffer the rising sea levels...they WILL pay for their mistakes with people, cities and whole regions...they WILL have to act.

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I'm not sure where you live but even here in Berlin we can "see" the changes...the summer are hotter than ever...the rivers are drying up now regularly...the forests are burning now regularly...the winter right now is the warmest ever...no snow...not even freezing temperatures...they already warn about a drought next summer...threatening the harvest.

That warming makes the so important masses of ice at the poles melt...that rising of sea levels is the logical consequence of that....that in turn is threatening all coastal settlements...making warm countries unbearable hot....drowning whole islands...making soon millions of people to climate refugees...that all is no rocket science...and yes, the news are full about it, every day!

We have now tornados in Germany fffs. TORNADOS! We never had them!!!

WHAT exactly are you doubting? Do you really belief it's just a mass hallucination??? Made up by some mad scientist to...yeah, what for actually?

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And I still doubt that is what Konfederacija has in mind....a monarchy not using it's political power.

Is that really part of the party program? And does Braun believe that he will gain the support of a majority with that?

(I must admit I'm a bit baffled)

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As if you ever would or had....

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Well...yeah...it's kinda weird, since the british monarchy is not much more than a disney franchise by now...besides Great Britain is also one of the oldest democracies.

I somehow don't think he is thinking of a purely representing monarchy whose members fill the yellow pages but have no real power at all.

That means he thinks about a real monarchy where the king rules supreme...do you really think that will help Konfederacija to power one day? And what then? Will there be a contest about who will become King and Queen? And then? Will the Sejm abolish itself???

Did he think that through??? And is that a catholic thing???

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Yeah..well...in Germany at the same time the Nazis had been against abortion...the mothers got medals if they shucked out lotsa babies....

But on the other hand that program sounds like the german christian parties from 30 years back...one can agree with or not but that doesn't sound so bad. I wonder why so many Poles don't like their preachers talking about that.

Do you think that Grzegorz Braun is of german heritage?

Does he really wants a monarchy back???

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Do you have some examples for me? Which political policy compares to which religious teaching?

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It IS in the news all the time, why don't you google it for once...

google.com/search?newwindow=1&ei=QtMlXpzONsW1sAfNlb_wDg&q=rising+sea+levels&oq=rising+sea+levels&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.55924.58580..58988...0.2..0.109.1448.15j2......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i273j0i67j0i10.0Z7JOqYXeHY&ved=0ahUKEwic993WypLnAhXFGuwKHc3KD-4Q4dUDCAo&uact=5

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Based on wishful thinking....the staple on this forum!

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Ouch!

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Really Iron...a "soviet catholic" ??? What's that???

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And right they were...:)

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It's not all that bad....

ec.europa.eu/environment/eir/pdf/report_pl_en.pdf

:)

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That forum doesn't seem to represent Poland at all...where a far majority supports Torq....interesting...and hopeful! :)


It's kind of a tricky situation for the polish church....the more they support PiS or Korwin Mikke or any other political party the more Poles turn away from the church and she loses influence..