History / Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans? [140]


IMHO it's the other way around....when you feel disrespected and don't get the attention you want and you think you deserve that's much more of a reason to dislike someone and call him "arrogant".

I really don't think you will find many Germans who will say they deem the Poles inferior! :)

PS: You can claim reasons 2 and 3 also for Greece (messy, unorganized, badly run etc.). But still many Germans like Greeks nonetheless and spend their holiday every year there to get fried in the sun.

I think that's the main reason, I agree with Tacitus on that. Poland as a holiday destination has surely room to grow and with meeting and getting to know each others the sympathies will rise.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]

I'm not sure....I wonder about that actually.
Putin tries to break up the EU, he get's his claws into the V4, then into the Brussel-opposition of it's core members....he pays them, uses paid trolls, his RT and Sputnik propaganda etc......

What use is a hostile Poland to him? PiS is Brussels-sceptic...check...but that leaves Poland rather isolated in Brussels but not much else and his added hostility to Russia makes it not usable for the Kremlins goals actually.

Putin doesn't gains anything from a Poland which shoots to both sides...

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]

So...do you think it's one sided from Moscow only? What would they get out of it?

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


Agreed!

Orban is by far not as hostile to Putin/Russia as PiS-Warsaw wishes, quite the contrary. They are not that steadfast allies in Brussels either (Tusk election)...


irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-and-viktor-orban-hail-ties-and-discuss-energy-and-finance-1.3633439

I wonder if there ever will be a functional, close V4 without Hungary and the Czechs....


euractiv.com/section/central-europe/news/the-v4-will-never-agree-on-russia/


What makes it so difficult for Warsaw seems to be the little fact that most if not all possible anti-Brussel allies are also deeply in Putin's pocket. Wich makes any anti-Brussel + anti-Putin stance by PiS to a quite isolated and hardly viable one, longterm....

History / Why do Polish people hate to be called Eastern European? [120]

Sooooooooooooooooo PROUD!

History / Why do Polish people hate to be called Eastern European? [120]


Proud to be European!

News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]


So...everybody else is a "traitor to the people"?

Now why does that sound so familiar...what's next? The patriotic adults come knocking in the night? The Gulag?

Life / Feeling ashamed of my Polish heritage. [237]


And at least those of us with blue eyes share definitely the same ancestor, the first with that mutation, no matter if we identify today as Germans or Poles...heh:)

News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]


What is that online campaign about?

News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]


I would like to see something like that re-emerge...it would be great for these lands.


...as I said, in your mind only!

The german past of Danzig is very much alive and kicking...as the last minutes here in this very thread just proved! It even influenced if you were sad or happy about a murder!

I fear nobody is really "over it"! Or the temper/fear/anger/accusations wouldn't fly that high that quickly...

Life / Feeling ashamed of my Polish heritage. [237]


His family is of german heritage:

Donald Trump's paternal ancestry is traceable to Bobenheim am Berg, a village in the Palatinate, Germany, in the 18th century. Johann Trump, born in Bobenheim in 1789, moved to the nearby village of Kallstadt where his grandson, Friedrich Trump, the grandfather of Donald Trump, was born in 1869.

But I'm fairly sure he identifies fully as USian...

Life / Feeling ashamed of my Polish heritage. [237]

I would add an emotional connection.

Imagine a football game (or any other team game you love)...let's say its between Germany and Poland....whom are you cheering for?

That is always a good question for any kind of immigrant....there are lots of Turks in Germany who have grown up and lived here in the now third generation (with german IDs by now) and still cheer for the turkish team when it comes to play Germany.

Citizenship is an official act, the culture you can learn about in school, but all that does nothing for the heart!

Off-Topic / American Jew Voice in Poland [93]


Do you have a link?

Life / Feeling ashamed of my Polish heritage. [237]


Yes, time matters...there is such a thing as mixing, intermarrying through the centuries...you know :)

I call them "Germoles"! :) Only separated by politics. Some of them have german surnames, some of them have polish surnames, some of them grew up as Poles, some of them grew up as Germans, but their ethnicity is forever mixed. There must be millions of them by now...a whole new country!

Life / Feeling ashamed of my Polish heritage. [237]


....and I think this answer has been already given.

If Poles would really prefer to stay poor but polish they wouldn't walk all over Europe in search for work and better shores. They would stay home, poorer but as Poles in polish Poland.

Life / Feeling ashamed of my Polish heritage. [237]


Well...now and in the near future it's every man for himself (or country).

Germany's labor market is even more starved than Polands, after all Germany has an already huge economy to keep running. And since the Ukrainians can now choose to work in the EU, not only Poland anymore, Germany needs and wants their share.


Expectations! South East Asians don't expect as much as even Ukrainians now do, their standards are lower than anywhere in Europe, they are (still) happier with less wages and living standards. And they won't leave Poland so quickly for Germany since they don't have what Ukrainians now have, to be able to look for work in the whole of the EU.


emerging-europe.com/news/poland-faces-increasing-competition-for-ukrainian-workers

Polish recruitment agencies operating in Ukraine have reported that competition for Ukrainian workers is growing in Europe, particularly in the Visegrad countries and Germany.

According to Polish daily Rzeczpospolita, Poland's attractiveness for Ukrainian workers is decreasing. Ever-increasing numbers being employed by Czech and Slovak companies offering higher salaries and two-year contracts.

"Czechs are recruiting more and more workers from Ukraine and soon a large proportion of professionals will leave for Germany," said Marian Przeździecki, the head of Ukrainian branch of recruitment agency Work Service.....

Life / Feeling ashamed of my Polish heritage. [237]

Of course it will...these Indian/Pakistanis/Filipinos are the polish new Turks.

Badly needed foreign workers to build the polish "Wirtschaftswunder"....the same misconceptions (they will leave again + we will stay the same)....the same outcome...multi-kulti (in one generation or two).

There is really only alternative for the polish gov, to close the borders but with that they will need to sell their people a stagnating economy, the end of the rise to a european power, the fall back and loss of many achievements (wages, welfare because to expensive etc.). Poland will get poorer again, Poles might leave again...

Frankly it won't happen...so future multi-kulti it is. Poland the island of white in a "brown" see is an illusion which will get destroyed by realpolitik.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

War movies are enough for me, thanks!

"Die Russen kommen" is only a joke now in modern Berlin...I prefer that...

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

Even so, what are you gonna do with the two thirds who think differently?

Poland isn't Britain! Poland is much more like Germany and France, we are continentals without another option, we don't even have the illusion of an island and a Commonwealth to fall back on. We have no other home than Europe. There will never be a majority for leaving Europe in our countries.

(And even in Britain with all that it's only 50/50 max)

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

A link?

I have a survey from from 9/2018

According to an opinion poll whose results were published on Saturday, over 65 percent of all respondents in Poland oppose the idea of their country leaving the EU, with about 17 percent being of the opposite view. A further 17 percent had no opinion concerning the hypothetical Polexit.

News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]


I doubt that very much!

Nationalists have a gread disadvantage. The moment they should work together and their own nation doesn't comes "first" they usually end all alliance. That's what makes them so weak in the end. That's why they will always lose. They might agree on immigration, but they disagree on all the rest.

See Polands closest ally Hungary for example, Orban has nothing against a much warmer relationship with Putin's Russia and his alliance with Kaczynski didn't stop him to vote for Tusk in Brussels.

Salvini is also alot more interested in Moscow than Warsaw (he was one of the few joining Putin in Moscow at the finals) and you won't seriously think that he will vote for pouring any more EU funds into Poland, he will will demand more for himself instead.


ft.com/content/5b3fc72e-8348-11e8-96dd-fa565ec55929

Nationalists make for pathetic alliances! They will change nothing.

News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]


Well, that difference might be negligible in your opinion but it's big enough to make your demand....


...impossible to fullfil.

There is no all powerful ruler in Berlin who has the right to decide for everybody what to do and what not. As long as these politicians don't speak officially for the german gov they are free to go where they want and to support whom they want and to meet with whom they want, even if that directly contradicts the official german gov policy.

News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]


Agreed....that is meddling. I wouldn't like it either if Poles would start coming over supporting a party I don't like.

There is a certain kind of insensitivity sometimes on the german side, mostly lefties...the same when some left/greens join a polish demonstration /or the protest against it, whatever. I don't think that is their place to be.

But be assured that this is not the country of Germany meddling in the country of Poland, that is solely between like minded politicians. In an even more integrating Europe for some more and easily acceptable than for others. After all, in Brussels these politicians share the same party alliance, so they want to support each other.

News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]


Yeah...I would like to know...I know nothing about Adamowicz' connections to Germany. How did he "invite Germans to meddle in polish affairs", please tell me more!

You have to know something, don't you. You would'nt just throw such dumb and loaded accusations blindly into the room, wouldn't you.

News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]

What a procession!


tvn24.pl/tvn24-news-in-english,157,m/poles-walked-beside-the-coffin-of-gdansk-s-former-mayor-pawel-adamowicz,901776.html

theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/19/thousands-march-beside-coffin-of-murdered-gdansk-mayor

News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]


Yeah....well....and in this world, your world, Adamowicz was a traitor to the polish people and had to be killed for the good cause.

God have mercy with you!

I'm bowing out here...

News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]


I think K. would like one...

News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]


Just supplant "Russia" with "Germany".

Kaczynski loves his Poles perpetually at war best...


What exactly do you mean by that? Poles are all over Europe by now...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrations_from_Poland_since_EU_accession

News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]

And it's interesting...many people in Germany say the deep divisions inside the population and the rougher language and loss of good behaviour in politics is a consequence of the mass immigration and its failures, especially rising after 2015.

But Poland doesn't have said immigration problems. But nonetheless it too seems to have become a country with a deeply split population which fights each other with ever more mercilessness and ever less will to compromise.

The same happened in Britain, in the US, in France...but it aren't the illegals, so it must be something else.

News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]

I know that, but I would like to know how extremists justify the murder of a politician who was that popular that he was re-elected for a sixth term!

I'm really curious...I've known Iron for years.