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Bratwurst Boy   
10 May 2019
History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]

Very often when you ask socialists that question they will tell you that the whole history of 200 years of failed socialist/communist "experiments" weren't really the kind of socialism they envision.

And of course it was never the socialist ideal that failed...only the people who failed that ideal.

So, the ideal lives on...and they just wait to try anew.

Einstein had a great description for that: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing yet expecting different results"
Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2019
History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]

He turned a weak and backward country into a superpower.

Depends on the definition of superpower!

It's still weak and backwards...take away the revenues from their fossils and they will start to struggle to fund their mighty military.
That's the reason they lost the Cold War in the first place.

Putin is a smartie, I give you that....but that is also the reason why I blame him for Russia not leading the way it needs to. He had the support, the power and the time to modernize Russia...to put it on economically sound feet...to end that dependence on their gas and oil. He should know better!

But today Russia looks as corrupt and backwards as before...and he is back to the old games, using conflicts to strengthen his wavering power at home, including blowing the nationalist trumpet, declaring any other opinion as hostile and traiterous, jailing journos and dissenter.

He is a disappointment! No megaton nuclear bomb or the best assault rifle will change that...they lost despite of that 1989 and Russia is losing again.
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2019
History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

hard working, dutiful, law abiding, diligent, well-organised.

Maybe they had been Germans all the time! :)

I stay by my opinion...folks in these lands have been so heavily mixed over the centuries we are the same. Scratch a German and you find a Pole and vice versa!

*bows out*
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2019
History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

If they had fully integrated Poles and allowed Polish to be used on an equal basis with German,

Nah...you can't hold down an unwilling people forever. It was a do or don't situation...I believe the Prussians knew that.

With hindsight there was no way that such a strong developed sense of self, with such a long history, being an Empire once themselves, would just dissolve into another nation just like that. There would be always resistance and a yearning for their own souvereignity again.

I compare that abit with the Ukraine today...

A Pole by himself, purposely immigrating to Germany, is something else but a whole country, against its will. That couldn't end peacefully.
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2019
History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

No I would say they were better developed before partition. Not sure why geographical reason maybe?

I don't want to go into a pissing contest, foreign occupation sucks every time.

But maybe we can agree that Prussia was not the most successful country of that time for nothing...they brought abit (unwanted I agree) of that to Poland...

....Of the Three Partitions, the education system in Prussia was on a higher level than in Austria and Russia,....

...The German government supported efficient farming, industry, financial institutions and transport.....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Partition#Economy

Better education plus a gov that supports the economy, the industrialization, agricultural development and you get a better developed region. That's not rocket science.

What I found interesting is that a big part of the actual population was there implanted after the war from the more rural, backwards east polish region and now they vote differently than the people in their former home.

Or maybe there had been more former Prussian-Poles left than thought...
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2019
History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

Nah...Spikey said that the prussian partition became wealthier and better developed because the Poles fighted the Germans.

And not because of that:

"...From the economic perspective, the territories of the Prussian Partition were the most developed, thanks to the overall policies of the government.[7] The German government supported efficient farming, industry, financial institutions and transport.[7]"....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Partition#Economy

That implies that the Poles in the russian and austro-hungarian partitions enjoyed their life and freedoms instead...THAT is fascinating! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2019
History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

No, it means that every action causes a reaction.

So....the russian partition and the austro-hungarian partition was no cause for a reaction?

Please help me to understand...that is fascinating! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2019
History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

So, you mean the russian and austro-hungarian partitions lacked the Germans? That's why they stayed poorer and less developed because the Russians and Austro-Hungarians weren't as hated as much?
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2019
History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

So...the ex-german parts of Poland are not only wealthier but the people living there are more not east-polish? :)

I find that astounding, I learned that after the expellations of the Germans the lands in now-west Poland had been re-settled with Poles who where expelled from now-ukrainian lands..meaning ex-east-Poles...

One could think that there wouldn't be such a clear cut difference..
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2019
History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]

Right thanks for that, so haters of others can be called nationalists (sometimes)

I think, since nationalism has been responsible for so much suffering in the last century yes, there needs to be a differentiation.

Otherwise you leave it to the lefties who want to do away with any pride in country and people full stop.
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2019
History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]

for me Polish nationalist = patriot.

I differ....you are a proud Pole without hating me and my country Germany...for me you are a patriot, like me. We both want whats best for our countries, and we would like to achieve that together....and have a beer afterwards.

But someone like Spike for example can't help hating me and my country and would love for Poland to fight Germany again, for him both countries are not equal, Poland is so much better and Germany just sucks, the Germans (all 80 million of them) suck, he is a bonafide nationalist. He would end all cooperation rather today than tomorrow.

There lies the difference, an important difference, it's just not the same!
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2019
History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]

Nationalism has gotten a bad rep, because of history...but deservedly so.

That's why there is the alternative of patriotism. I can be proud of my country and want the best for it without hating another one and want that to suffer....
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2019
History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]

patriotism is impossible without nationalism

Why?

Can't you be proud of your country without denigrating and fighting others?

Patriots can work together with other patriots to the best advantage of all, nationalists can't and won't....it's always "Us vs Them".
Bratwurst Boy   
2 May 2019
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

or we can destroy it from within and create a new trade agreement on its ashes.

How so?

Because as I see it...the EU will only then break apart when all it's member states are taken over by nationalists.

Now I would want to see trade negotiations between a bunch of hostile nationalist governments....then it's back to the old pecking order, the bigger ones trampling down on the smaller ones, who have to take what is being offered. (Not really negotiations between equals).

That's my opinion, you must have a different outlook or you wouldn't follow that path and wish for it to come true. So please, explain it to me...

Where do you see Poland?
Bratwurst Boy   
22 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

They couldn't be so successfully corrupt in a vacuum

Do you remember how Greece looked like before the EU membership? They used donkeys on dusty streets...till 1974 they were ruled by a military junta ffs.

Without the EU and the EURO they would still look like this! They don't need anybody to be corrupt and a failed state.
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

The so called "Prussian trust" and the west german Vertriebenenverbund was actually a big feared thing back then in Poland. Hence the urge to get that treaty about the Oder-Neisse-Border officially done...I remember weakly...
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

Everybody who supports such claims supports also populists, they are fattening their numbers. Keeping old grievances with their neighbours alive with purpose has only nationalist reasons and is only supported by people who would love to throw every unity which has been achieved in the last decades happily under the next bus.

I'm suprised to find you in their corner Jon...
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

Yet, it has nothing to do with war reparations.

It has all to do with the reparations....Poland didn't put a claim up then and now its to late. This conference in 1990 was the time and place to do it, the polish government wanted the Oder-Neisse-Border secured and they got it.

There was no other demand and then it was settled for good. THAT was the polish-german treaty which cleared the last questions. Money wasn't part of it. Done!