Posts by Paulina - page 102

Paulina

5 Jan 2015

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

yes....its main reason..if poles were as rich as germans,we would be considered western europeans.

I don't think we're Western Europeans. That's the point - I don't think we're Western and I don't think we're Eastern. I've been always taught that Poland is Central European and that culturally it's something between the West and the East. And I agree with that. I don't feel Western and I don't feel Eastern.

Even if Poland ever gets as rich as the West, or the West deteriorates and Poland will be richer than the West I'm not sure it will change anything. I don't think I would like Poland to be considered as part of the West either. I like being Central, actually, and the idea of "złoty środek" (golden mean) :)

Poland's wealth relative to countries farther West is not the reason many consider Poland part of an "Eastern-Europe"

I don't think it has much to do with Poles being Slavs in particular, Hungary is considered Eastern European too, although it's as central as Poland.

I think it stems simply from the fact that all those countries were in the Eastern Bloc and apparently Westerners' view of Europe is still stuck in cold war era. They weren't and aren't interested in the countries outside of the West and don't know much about them. I think differentiating between Central and Eastern Europe is a bit too much for them - they would have to actually know something about the history, culture and mentality of nations in both Central and Eastern Europe (I have an impression that they seem to forget that there's also Southern Europe o_O). Westerners are usually pretty ignorant about "Europe B" so I wouldn't be too preoccupied with how they divide Europe for themselves :)

Maybe you're right that there's some tribalism in that, but I'm not able to tell to what extent.

Paulina

4 Jan 2015

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Central E. geographically but considered Eastern European culturally(slavic) and politically(definition created during cold war-eastern block).and because huge economical difference from "western countries"

Not all countries considered Eastern European are Slavic and politically this division isn't applicable anymore since Poland and some other countries are in the EU.

So I guess it boils down to the "economical difference" nowadays.
Europe A (the West) and Europe B (the rest) lol

edited by moderator

Thanks, mod.

Paulina

22 Dec 2014

History / Polish conscripts to German army [132]

she wouldn't let him

Do you know why?

I will get in touch with my auntie and see what he has told her.

Good idea :)

Btw, Hughey, if your grandfather took part in the battle of Monte Cassino you could show him the lyrics of this song: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Poppies_on_Monte_Cassino

It's a famous song in Poland.

The lyrics:
tekstowo.pl/piosenka,edyta_geppert,czerwone_maki_na_monte_cassino.html

The song:

youtu.be/Iab33qfDW-g

Paulina

22 Dec 2014

History / Polish conscripts to German army [132]

Not sure, but most likely lived there. Yes Monte Cassino not carlo. I just did a quick search on Bytom, the city has a lot of history.

Yes, my guess also would be that he probably lived in Bytom - it was one of two cities in interwar Germany that had a Polish middle school (grammar school). I must say that when I've read your comment in which you wrote that "he was in a forced labour camp working on a farm" my first association was with a Nazi concentration camp and I was even going to ask you whether he was born in Germany... So it's probably it.

I guess Harry was right after all - there's probably a lot to like about your grandfather, he was most likely a very good bloke indeed :)

You really should think about asking him if you can record his memories of those years, they're important for family history at the very least.

I agree... After he'll pass away you may regret about not asking him...

Paulina

22 Dec 2014

History / Polish conscripts to German army [132]

He was born in Bytom. His surname is Dymeck. He has whip marks on his back from the forced labour camp

Did he live in Bytom too? Bytom was in Germany before the German invasion on Poland in 1939. It could have been a Nazi concentration camp then...

Monte Carlo

Monte Cassino ;)

Paulina

22 Dec 2014

History / Polish conscripts to German army [132]

According to non-interested sources both before and after WWII it was a concentration camp.

I'm not sure how this would contradict a statement that it was a camp for political prisoners? After all, mainly political prisoners were sent there.

German concentration camps were initially created to hold political opponents and union organizers, so what's your problem?
Although I must say that when I think of the term "concentration camp" I usually think of some mass of people imprisoned based on nationality, race, like the concentration camps used by the U.S. against Native Americans and by the British in the Second Boer War and, and, of course, by the Nazis for Jews.

You seem to miss the fact that Hughey's grandfather wasn't in BK

Then were was he? And how do you know he wasn't?

(or that a lot of people who were officially there for one thing were in reality there for quite another thing).

Meaning?

He's quite unlikely to have been ONR

Probably you're right, if what he meant by "before the German invasion" was 1939 and the guy was held in Bereza Kartuska (ONR members were detained up to 1935). But if he was held in Bereza Kartuska he could still be just an ordinary criminal.

Paulina

22 Dec 2014

History / Polish conscripts to German army [132]

right down to the concentration camp at Bereza Kartuska that some Poles still insist was just a "seclusion camp"

Bereza Kartuska camp was a camp for political prisoners.
"Prisoners included members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), Polish Communist Party (KPP) and National Radical Camp (ONR), as well as members of the People's Party (SL) and Polish Socialist Party (PPS). The detainees included Bolesław Piasecki and, for some dozen days, the journalist Stanisław Mackiewicz (the latter, paradoxically, a warm supporter of the prison's establishment). Also a number of Belarusians who had resisted Polonization found themselves in the camp.

The first inmates - Polish ONR activists - arrived on July 17, 1934. A few days later, OUN activists arrived: Roman Shukhevych, Dmytro Hrytsai and Volodymyr Yaniv.By August 1939, Ukrainians constituted 17 percent of prisoners."

If Hughey is interested he can read the rest here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bereza_Kartuska_prison#Inmates

Got to say that there's a lot to like about the sound of your grandfather.

Unless he was a member of ONR, imho :)

in other words he was most probably a good bloke

Or an ordinary criminal (55% of inmates in 1938 and 41% in 1939) or financial criminal (6% of inmates in 1939).

Paulina

7 Dec 2014

Life / Which nations do Poles like the most / the least? [150]

We had come to think there were none left in Poland.

None? Seriously? lol InWroclaw, how long have you been living in Poland?

Also, some of my friends from school are Jewish.

I also had a Jewish classmate in my highschool and my other classmates seemed completely oblivious to the fact that he was Jewish and treated him as one of the classmates, nothing more, nothing less (btw, he's not only Jewish, but also a gay and a Catholic, imagine that ;)). His mother is a lecturer, as far as I can remember, and his father is a sculptor (he made a sculpture that was my city's gift for John Paul II) so they seemed to me like a pretty well established family here in Kielce.

She sometimes teaches me Hebrew, but apparently I'm not talented :/

Well, your English is great, especially for a teenager, I would say :)

Paulina

8 Nov 2014

Genealogy / Woloczyn or Wolosczyn: Am I Polish? Help [22]

Well, maybe you're right, I'm definitely no expert on this stuff, so... :)

Paulina

8 Nov 2014

Genealogy / Woloczyn or Wolosczyn: Am I Polish? Help [22]

Hi ! My families last name is spelled Woloszyn.

Judging from what I've read the suffix -szyn could indicate a matronymic surname of Western Ukrainian origin, I guess.
Source:
nadbuhom.pl/art_2545.html

My translation:

"In Podlasie area equally rare are surnames with matronymic suffix -iszyn, -yszyn (-ишин), which (just as those ending with -uk) come from Western Ukraine. They were created from vernacular nicknames given to married women - Jurczyszyn - son of Jurszczycha, Jurij's wife."

You last name is perfectly Russian. There were plenty of Voloshins through out Russian history.

I wonder, is it possible that it's of Ukrainian origin? After all, there are plenty of people with Ukrainian roots in Russia ;) (or so I was told)

Paulina

7 Nov 2014

Language / Ethnic backround of suffixes of Polish surnames [54]

I was inspired by some comments in one of the threads to make a general thread on this topic. I'm no expert on surnames so maybe some other people will join in and share their knowledge (or I will add something later), but I can provide some basic info.

The most common suffix in Poland and considered typically Polish is, of course, the suffix -ski.
The most common Polish surname with this suffix (and the second most common of all Polish surnames after surname "Nowak") is "Kowalski" and its English equivalent is the surname "Smith".

Other suffixes in this group are -cki and -dzki.
(Btw, suffixes similar to Polish -ski can be found also in Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Czech and Macedonian surnames).

Now I'd like to write a bit about the suffix -owicz since Nickidewbear wrote something that I was also explained once - one Russian guy wrote that surnames ending in -ovich are surnames of Jews coming from the Belarus and Ukraine area. But he also claimed that all of the liberal opposition in Russia consists of Jews lol or that most of the members of NKVD were Jewish, so, you know, I've decided to check it myself :)

So, the suffix -owicz isn't typically Jewish. Jews lived in a multicultural territory and their surnames were often getting suffixes used in the area they inhabited, apparently.

From what I've read suffixes like -icz, -owicz, -ewicz denote Eastern origin, namely - Ukraine or Belarus.

They were often connected to a father's first name (so it was a kind of "son of" - example in today's Poland - a Polish MP, Krystyna Pawłowicz). So yes, someone with the surname ending with -owicz could be Jewish, but not necessarily. If your surname has the suffix -owicz you may very well have Tatar roots like, for example, a Polish sculptress Magdalena Abakanowicz, who's father, Konstanty Abakanowicz, came from a Polonized Tatar family.

But it could also denote Armenian roots, examples of such surnames with Armenian backround: Agopsowicz, Awedykowicz, Axentowicz, Isakowicz, Torosowicz (example in Poland nowadays: a priest of the Catholic Church and the Armenian Catholic Church, father Tadeusz Isakowicz-Zalewski).

Robert Makłowicz, a Polish journalist and culinary critic, has, among others, Armenian and Ukrainian roots.

Or you could have Lemko roots (Mankowicz, Pankowicz).

From what I've read even the biblical root of the surname can be confusing because Armenians and Tatars were using them too.

Other typical suffixes of the Ukrainian group are -uk, -czuk (Andrzejuk, Antoniuk, Chilimoniuk, Filipiuk, Grygoruk, Jasiuk, Kononiuk, £ukaszuk, Pawluczuk, Pietruczuk). Example: a Polish singer Maciej Maleńczuk, a Polish writer Olga Tokarczuk.

Also, for example: -on, -enko (for example: Tymoszenko, Poroszenko in Ukraine), -czenko (Iwanczenko, Pawluczenko), -iszyn, -yszyn (coming from Western Ukraine, example of such surname in Poland: a Polish MP Joanna Senyszyn).

The most common Belarusian suffixes (at least in Podlasie area in Poland, I guess):
-icz, -wicz (Alfierowicz), -ski, -cki (Błahuszewski, Lewoniewski), -ko (Aniśko, Chwiećko, Mojsiuszko, Panasko, Rećko), -ejko (Dubiejko, Guziejko, Litwiejko, Siergiejko), -uszko (Klimuszko, Popiełuszko), -ik (Aksiucik, Auchimik, Dzienisik, Hawrylik, Himik, Hościk, Kondrusik, Wojciulik), -uć (Gryguć, Trypuć), -ul (Kiercul, Szczesiul, Taudul), -un (Brechun, Ciesiun), -enia (Bielenia, Hajduczenia, Jurczenia), and also -yk (Aluszyk, Amielanczyk) and -uk (Ciwoniuk, Hanczaruk).

Famous surnames of Belarusian origin are, for example: Sapieha, Mickiewicz, Sienkiewicz, Iwaszkiewicz, Bartosiewicz, Kościuszko, Moniuszko.

Suffixes of Lithuanian origin are, for example: -as, -us, -is (examples in Poland: a Polish sociologist and political scientist Jadwiga Staniszkis, a Polish actress Maria Pakulnis).

Surnames of Russian origin usually end with -ow, -ew, -jew, -iew, -in (Pushkin, Putin - in Russia). But there are apparently exceptions from this rule, for example, Grzegorz Miecugow, a Polish journalist, is of Armenian-Georgian origin.

Examples of suffixes of Jewish origin: -owicz, -sztajn, -stein, -er, -man, -berg, -el, -baum (examples in Poland: a Polish journalist Seweryn Blumsztajn, a Polish journalist Bronisław Wildstein, a Polish film director Jerzy Hoffman, etc.) Of course there are people of Jewish origin with surnames ending in -ski too.

So, as you can see, the surname or its suffix alone may not be enough to find out what exactly is your ethnic backround, often you have to dig a little deeper :)

One of our certificates of belonging to the national or ethnic communities are without a doubt the names. As far as first names are changing constantly, even under the influence of seasonal fashion, the name remains a more durable element that indicates the origin of a person or his ancestors. It often happens that the owner did not realize the connection between the name and his own origin.

Sources:
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polskie_nazwiska
nadbuhom.pl/art_2545.html

Paulina

30 Oct 2014

History / History behind Poland and Turkey's Relationship [118]

Americans? What does it have to do with them?
Btw, Poland was also promoting Ukraine's candidacy.
As for "Erdogan turning Turkey into an islamist state" - read what Sikorski said in the link you posted.

Paulina

30 Oct 2014

History / History behind Poland and Turkey's Relationship [118]

We have to subtract the years of the partitions, I assume?

Haha, TheOther, I knew you'd write this :)
The Ottoman Empire was the only state, apart from Switzerland apparently, that didn't officially recognise the partitions of Poland and its disappearance from the map of Europe.

There was a reason behind the invitation from Turkey, of course:

So? As I wrote, Turkey clearly isn't a mortal enemy of Poland and vice versa... :)

Paulina

29 Oct 2014

History / History behind Poland and Turkey's Relationship [118]

Turkey is mortal enemy of Poland.

LOL

Crow, you're clueless about Poland as always :) This year Polish president was on a two day visit with his wife in Turkey to celebrate the 600th anniversary of diplomatic relations and the 315th anniversary of continuous peace between Poland and Turkey.

Paulina

25 Oct 2014

Language / Polish pet names [21]

OK, Tom, send it to me, I'll take a look.

Paulina

21 Oct 2014

Language / Polish pet names [21]

I thought that it was only for lovers and mothers to use..... would there be a specific diminutive of her name mostly reserved for a boyfriend/lover/husband?

No, Insomnia is right.

Btw, to be honest "Paulinka" sounds a bit childish (at least to me), usually only my aunts call me like this lol (except for the one that calls me "Paula"). My female cousins, who are younger than me, call me "Pauliś" (in case you would like to use something even more diminutive and familiar than "Paulinka") ;)

usually only my aunts call me like this lol

And my uncles (sorry, I forgot about them lol).

Paulina

11 Oct 2014

History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [869]

Sure, why would they need to? Same goes for any other nation that has not done anything bad to Poland

Szalawa, I was simply summarising the info from the articles I provided. You wrote that "there must be a reason for" the fact that Poles dislike Romanians and I've explained that there aren't really any real reasons for this dislike, only misconceptions, stereotypes and usually lack of knowledge too.

So I guess we can end the topic of Romania and Romanians already? :)

Paulina

11 Oct 2014

Life / Help me find this Polish band and song.... [117]

Maybe it's this one:

janbrzechwa.w.interia.pl/stobajek/zuk.html

Do biedronki przyszedł żuk,
W okieneczko puk-puk-puk.

Panieneczka widzi żuka:
"Czego pan tu u mnie szuka?"

Paulina

11 Oct 2014

History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [869]

Well in this way you must separate the nation from the state

Why? I simply wrote that Romania as a state never did anything bad to Poland. You called this statement false, although it wasn't. That's all.

Paulina

11 Oct 2014

History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [869]

This statement is false. Romanians did invade Poland in the 'Deluge' with Sweden

It isn't "false", since Romania didn't exist back then and I wrote about Romania, not Romanians. It was the historical Principality of Moldavia that took part in the Deluge.

Paulina

10 Oct 2014

History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [869]

No, she was one of those racist white power type people,

Then why were you writing that it's "maybe because Romanian is Latin culture", if you knew she was like that? There are "those racist white power type people" in every white country, including Poland.

We are not friends anymore.

What do you mean by that? You and that woman or Poles and Romanians?

Last time I checked Romanians are one of the most disliked people in Poland, even more disliked then Russians. There must be a reason for this.

Well, yes, of course there's a reason for this lol There's usually a reason for everything in this world.
Here you have a general information concerning why Poles dislike or like certain nations:
cbos.pl/SPISKOM.POL/2014/K_020_14.PDF

And here in more detail about why Poles (of course not all of them) dislike Romanians:

national-geographic.pl/uzytkownik/publikacje/pokaz/slawekol/dlaczego-polacy-nie-lubia-rumunow/

There is something absurd in the fact that the nation that feeds - how rare that - great sympathy for us, it is extremely rejected by the Poles. Why, because - in contrast to other nations disliked by us - it's hard to watch for any reason, real or imagined? Stereotype in the minds of the Romanian average Joe is very unfavorable. Speaking learning, mutual stereotyping of both nations: Poles and Romanians determined primarily by the memory of the communist era and the rapid social and political changes that have occurred in both countries. Romanian contemporary stereotype in Poland amounted to not under the influence of contacts with Romanians, but with the Roma / Gypsies, who arrive in this country, which changed the way of thinking about Romania in Poland. The fact that relatively recently, Poland and Romania had a common border has been obliterated in the collective memory of the two societies.

wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1010249,title,Rumuni-okazali-sie-duzo-lepsi-od-Polakow,wid,14914243,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=113996

We don't like Romanians - it's a fact. And we do not like them because they know little about them. For us, it still beggars and gypsies. Meanwhile, the "youngest" members of the EU proved to be a nation of hardworking, nice and well organized. In Italy more often displace us from the competition, in which, until recently, worked mainly Poles and became the largest and most influential exile community in the country.

In case of Romanians Polish antipathy isn't Romanians' fault. Romania never did anything bad to Poland (Romania didn't even recognise the partitions of Poland). This antipathy stems from misconceptions, stereotypes and prejudices. And those stem from the fact that during the 90's (and maybe later too) Poles were mixing up Romanians with the Roma people coming from Romania to Poland. Because of this confusion the very word "Rumun" (Romanian) was at that time almost a synonym of someone very poor, not very clean, looking worse for wear, begging both passively and actively (and sometimes rather aggressively), stealing, forcing little children to beg. Also, Poles knew and still know pretty much nothing about Romania, the only thing they associate it with is Gypsies, poverty, count Dracula, Ceaușescu and those who'll read an odd article in a newspaper maybe also with corruption.

The attitude toward Romanians did improve though over some years. In 1993 66% of Poles disliked Romanians and only 9% liked them. In 2014 45% dislikes them and 21% likes them.

You're right, more Poles dislike Romanians (45%) than Russians (42%). Although it can change still, since this poll was made in February and Russia managed to do a lot since then...

Russia feels that it is protecting Russians from west as they want to claim their own people.

Russia was justifying in the same way (protecting minorities) it's land grabs when it partitioned Poland together with Prussia and Austria and the occupation of then Polish territories by the Soviet Union when it partitioned Poland together with the Nazis. I have an impression that Russia always says what Russians and others want to hear when it's about to do something downright Machiavellian, tbh.

Oh, sorry, I'll give the links one more time (there should be more time for editing posts):

There is something absurd in the fact that the nation that feeds - how rare that - great sympathy for us , it is extremely rejected by the Poles . Why , because - in contrast to other nations disliked by us - it's hard to watch for any reason , real or imagined?

Romanian stereotype in the minds of average Joe is very unfavorable. Speaking learning , mutual stereotyping of both nations : Poles and Romanians determined primarily by the memory of the communist era and the rapid social and political changes that have occurred in both countries. Romanian contemporary stereotype in Poland amounted to not under the influence of contacts with Romanians , but with the Roma / Gypsies , who arrive in this country , which changed the way of thinking about Romania in Poland.

Btw, those translations under the links in my previous post aren't done by me and weren't posted by me o_O

Mods, I gave the gist of those articles in my previous post so Google translations weren't really necessary, I think ;)

Mods know better, relax:) btw. people can use google too so there's no need to post more than 1 article on the same topic.. thanks.

Paulina

9 Oct 2014

History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [869]

I knew a Romanian who hated Russians, its what she would talk about, while I on the other hand always defended them. Maybe because Romanian is Latin culture?

Szalawa, are you serious... lol Yes, of course, Latin people simply hate non-Latin people by default just for being non-Latin ;)
It didn't cross your mind that some ill feeling may have something to do with history and present-day relations?
If it didn't then maybe you should educate yourself:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania#Communism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania%E2%80%93Russia_relations

Paulina

9 Oct 2014

Love / Polish women care about traditional values [34]

Sorry Pauline I meant women in general, more so those in slightly less progressive countries, not Polish women exclusively.

Not here you didn't:

It's well known Polish women are "nice" to their man all the time he's being generous financially and supporting her.

And besides, how generalising about all women is any way better? o_O

How can I be talking about myself when I have already stated I work 55 hours p/w?

Because you may be lying, for example. Maybe you're not even a woman :) This is the internet.

Paulina

9 Oct 2014

Love / Polish women care about traditional values [34]

Are you talking about yourself? lol

And btw, EdinburghGirl, I don't know what you mean by "village-like mentality", because women in the countryside in Poland work in the field, in their gardens AND take care of the children and house, cook, clean, etc. "... shock horror....." Wow...

Paulina

9 Oct 2014

Love / Polish women care about traditional values [34]

You're clearly very prejudiced.

This village-like mentality that most Polish women have belongs in the dark ages.

Most Polish women don't have any "village-like mentality". Most women in Poland work AND take care of the children and house, cook, do the shopping, etc. I know that for a fact because I LIVE in Poland.

Paulina

8 Oct 2014

History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [869]

I sincerely wish you were right.

Well, have you heard about the annual Taizé European ecumenical meetings for young adults? I was told by an Italian guy when I was on one in Hamburg that Poles are always the most numerous group (and those meetings are really big). Maybe young Russians should try those :)

You now, John Paul II was putting quite strong emphasis on ecumenism and maybe quite many Poles my age and younger were influenced by that. I guess I'm one of that "JPII generation".

It's true both ways.

What makes you think that?

They are not. You mean to say they are not as fixated as the Russians?

I don't know, I haven't discussed with Ukrainians, only with Russians. What I meant was that Poles have lots of sympathy for Ukrainians nowadays, despite the fact they aren't Catholic and Russians and Ukrainians seem to hate each other despite the fact they're Orthodox.

I'm not saying it is a problem somewhere more than elsewhere, I'm just emphasizing it's one of the separating factors, a pretty strong one.

Well, as I wrote before it is "a" factor, but I wouldn't say it's a strong one.

IAs you pointed out the Russians are fixated on this, yes I agree and many Poles are fixated on this as well.

You mean that Poles are fixated on the fact that Russians are Othodox? I must say I haven't noticed anything of this kind and I live in a very traditional, religious region of Poland (it's called the Holy Cross Province, so you can imagine :)) Authorities in my city put Ukrainian flags together with Polish ones on street lamps all the way across the main promenade in my city during the Ukraine crisis to show solidarity with the Ukraine nation. Noone seems to care that Ukrainians are Othodox :)

If you've discussed with Poles who were fixated on the fact that Russians are Orthodox, then I don't know, maybe they were right-wingers or sth?

As for the Russian "obsession" with that distinction then I suspect there may be two reasons for that. For Russians, it seems, Catholicism is a Western invention and yet another sign of "Polish betrayal" or sth, I guess :))

Another reason may be the fact that Orthodox nations are mainly constricted to one rather closed region of Europe and they are usually Slavic nations, while there are more different Catholic nations around the world and for us it's more universal and maybe that's why we don't think that it's so important whether given nation is Catholic or not.

According to CBOS polls Czechs and Slovaks are Poles' most favourite nations. Czechs are always on the first place despite the fact that they're one of the most atheistic nations in the world. Norwegians are, according to the latest poll, for some reason, on the 7th place although they're Lutherans.

I have an impression that even from the Russian perspective it's not really about religion, to be honest. What, for example, religion has to do with being "bigger brother"?

Btw, Romania is an Orthodox country - do you feel like you have a warmer attitude towards Romanians than, I don't know, to Poles or Finns or Hungarians?

Russia is not European culture.

Oh come on. I wouldn't go that far.

Paulina

7 Oct 2014

History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [869]

Might not this be that overlook it for you're an atheist?

Well, I'm religious and I agree with Wulkan.

I would think that it's nearly as important for relationship as speaking a common language.

Not really... o_O :) Of course it is a factor to some extent since Poles seem to be often more fond of Catholic nations, because they have some things in common with them. But generally people here are pretty oblivious to other Christian denominations and they don't care. I would say that Russians I've discussed with are far more fixated on the fact that Poles are Catholics and are "ruled by Vatican" etc. :) They seem to have a problem with the fact that Poles are Catholics and not the other way around...

Btw, Ukrainians aren't exactly Catholics either, are they... :)
Religion isn't the problem here...

Paulina

24 Aug 2014

Po polsku / Ruscy sieją propagandę na polskich portalach? [29]

Nie pamiętam, może i Neewsweek. No i?

Paulina

24 Aug 2014

Po polsku / Ruscy sieją propagandę na polskich portalach? [29]

Gregy741, jedna polska gazeta zrobiła małe "śledztwo". Ponieważ zwróciło ich uwagę nagłe pojawienie się dużej ilości proputinowskich komentarzy dotarli do adresów IP tych komentujących, którzy twierdzili, że są Polakami i mieszkają w Polsce. Okazało się że adresy IP znajdują się w różnych miejscach na świecie, tylko nie w Polsce :)

Pewien Polak mieszkający od lat w Niemczech zauważył że zdarza się, że dokładnie te same komentarze, o identycznej treści, z tymi samymi błędami pojawiały się pod różnymi nickami pod niemieckimi artykułami. Ja też widziałam takie śmieszne rzeczy pod polskimi artykułami. To jest sztuczne tworzenie "tłumu", sprawianie wrażenia, że "dużo ludzi popiera Rosję."

Paulina

23 Aug 2014

Po polsku / Ruscy sieją propagandę na polskich portalach? [29]

Nie wiem czy ktoś się wczytywał w komentarze na popularnych polskich serwisach (gazeta, wp, onet) ale szokująco dużo wypowiedzi jest pro-rosyjskich, nawet pod artykułami o MH17. Czy to Polacy czy Rosjanie wypisują takie farmazony? Ktoś jeszcze to zauważył?

Wszyscy zauważyli :) Przedziwny, nienaturalny wręcz wysyp prorosyjskich komentarzy. Ponoć to samo dzieje się pod niemieckimi artykułami - piszący też robią błędy w języku niemieckim. To jest po prostu zmasowana akcja propagandowa do której Rosja jest bardzo dobrze przygotowana.

Ale to nie tylko rosyjskie trolle wolontariusze (którzy często trafiają do polskich artykułów chyba dlatego, że są one tłumaczone na pewnym rosyjskim portalu i forum) i ci opłacani, pewnie jest też garstka sierot po Endecji co to nienawidzą Tuska, PO, UE i im Putin imponuje. Znam takiego jednego, więc takie cuda też są możliwe. No i oczywiście proputinowscy Rosjanie mieszkający w Polsce.