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The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are.


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Aug 2015 #31
heard of the AK killing Jews?

Have you heard of Jews killing Poles? Some of the top Pole-killers in Soviet-occupied Poland were Berman, Fejgin, Romkowski, Mietkowski, Morel, Różański, Brystiger, Czaplicki, Światło and many more. They included Adam Michnik's brother -- a desk-top murderer who sentenced Poles to death and let someone else pull the trigger.

Maybe it's time to start s separate thread devoted to that oft-neglected and overlooked episode of Polish post-war history.
JollyRomek 7 | 481
4 Aug 2015 #32
A website source for instance might be helpful:-)

So you have or you haven't done your homework? Do you need a source for my "claim"? In other words you deny the AK's involvement in killing Jews? Ok, "show me website that proofs the holocaust"..........

Have you heard of Jews killing Poles?

Oh here we go. The Poles, main victims of the World War 2, never done anything wrong.

Nobody in the AK killed anyone but Germans.

Everybody was forced to take part in communism after the war, nobody had a choice and Poles are only victims. Not that anyone thinks that there were some Poles who took advantage of the regimes they lived under.

The poor Polish nation. Freedom fighters through and through.........
Lyzko 29 | 7,230
4 Aug 2015 #33
There were shameful acts committed by BOTH SIDES, notably under duress of death (or worse!!!)...EXPOSURE!
Sure, many members of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising among the Jewish participants did indeed have criminal records. Is the mass killing of an entire people though ever justified in order to punish a minority of wrong doers??!

You probably agree with that guy the late Prof. Andreas Hillgruber from Cologne whose major work on the destruction of Bolshevism attempted to tacitly rationalize, therefore to an extent justify, the Shoah, by arguing the German people were so loathing of Communism, ergo, so fearful of some Communist threat, that a man on the level of Hitler was needed to establish order in the country, citing the failed Kurt Eisner 1919 takeover of Bavaria as evidence of the Germans' desire for a more solid discipline. A majority of leading German Communists were either Jews (Eisner, Rosa Luxembourg) or half-Jews (Karl Liebknecht), hence "Jew" eventually became synomymous with "Communist", the hated Staatsfeind!:-)
Little Mick - | 6
5 Aug 2015 #34
InPolska and Polonius3 thank you for the education I have learned more about that part of history here than I got in the states. It is a shame what is left out of history in this the schools here.
Lyzko 29 | 7,230
5 Aug 2015 #35
Since US education itself was basically "cancelled" during and even after the Reagan years, it's no wonder:-)
Wulkan - | 3,249
5 Aug 2015 #36
Does that mean that you deny the AK's involvement in killing Jews?

Everybody who has half of the brain does, now go and watch "Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter" for some more brainwashing.
gumishu 11 | 5,629
5 Aug 2015 #37
The poor Polish nation. Freedom fighters through and through.........

how terrible it must feel to be a German to want to denigrate other nations or take their pride from them
Lyzko 29 | 7,230
5 Aug 2015 #38
Gumishu, Germany aka Nazi Germany was hardly alone in her committing of unspeakable missdeeds. The "singularity" of the Nazi Era was more the seeming nationwide complicity as well as the methodical thoroughness with which such barbarity was carried out!

Yes, JollyRomek shares with many other Germans this insecurity which the Germans call "Geltungsbeduerfnis" and which is like a knee-jerk reaction every time the truth about Germany's shameful recent past suddenly comes up. Most can't handle it.

Then again, I don't see the average 21st century American rushing over to see the Museum of US Atrocities to Native Americans or the Monument To Slavery either.

The latter crimes however, do beggar comparison:-)
Vox - | 175
5 Aug 2015 #39
Oh here we go. . ..........

OK, rant over, why don't you wipe out spittle from your computer screen. You seems to be suffering some kind of trauma mostly self-inflicted I think due to your self evident limitations. Let me help you.

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"The Poles, main victims of the World War 2"

Yes, do you wish to contest it in the light of facts?
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"never done anything wrong"
What do you mean? This seems to be a poorly constructed generalization one can't address in a rational manner.
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"Nobody in the AK killed anyone but Germans."
More of the same, do you have a point?
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"Everybody was forced to take part in communism after the war, nobody had a choice and Poles are only victims".
I disagree. Why don't you change your wording and instead of "nobody", "everybody" insert "an overwhelming majority".
What do you mean by - only victims?
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"Not that anyone thinks that there were some Poles who took advantage of the regimes they lived under."
Ah there were some Poles, so what? What are you trying to say here? Do you have a personal grudge against some Poles or what?

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"The poor Polish nation"
Indeed they are hard done by in more ways than one.
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"Freedom fighters through and through"
About that, I'm not quite sure but at least they fought for freedom unlike all those nations fighting for an empire, totalitarian regime or whatnot. I think it is a good thing . Don't you agree?

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JollyRomek 7 | 481
5 Aug 2015 #40
Let me help you.

:-) You do not have to Vox. Basically, Poland got run over in 10 days. Then a few fighters flew for the British Air Force and a few started an uprising . Not enough, simply not enough to overcome the fact that your country (or so you believe it is seeing that you would never lose your American citizenship to become a real Pole), was overrun . That is the simple truth of it. And none of your so called friends, the Brits or French, intervened. You also were not considered to be part of the allies. In fact, your friends, the British and French, sold you to Stalin at the Crimea conference.

You think that you were heroes. But in fact, you got overrun, flew in the Air Force of a nation that sold you to communism and stayed on your knees throughout until your finally broke lose in the late 80's.


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