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Sin of omission against Poland (Uprising ignored by Britannica)


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Aug 2015 #1
Poland not only gets accused of being a co-creators of the Holocaust but the Polish nation's efforts and achievements are often ascribed to someone else or omitted. One example:

Once again, the Warsaw Uprising has been omitted by Britannica which has its headquarters in Chicago. I have written to Pres. Spula about this before but received no reply.

Roman Zawadzki (LA, California)

Subject: On This Day for 8/1 - The 1936 Olympics open in Berlin, The last entry of Anne Frank's diary is recorded, but there is no mention of the Warsaw Uprising.
jon357 63 | 15,524
4 Aug 2015 #2
They should include the Warsaw Uprising for that day. And also Yorkshire Day which is celebrated on 1 August.

What's the issue about the holocaust?
Ziemowit 13 | 4,227
4 Aug 2015 #3
Once again, the Warsaw Uprising has been omitted by Britannica which has its headquarters in Chicago.

This is more than disgusting. Only the crappy Britannica is able to do so. How did these newly founded "Brit Bullies" of Chicago come to the conclusion to omit the Warsaw Uprising?

On the other hand, a new book on the Warsaw Uprising by a Canadian researcher appeared in bookshops quite recently.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
4 Aug 2015 #4
"Brit Bullies" of Chicago

What a strange thing to say.
smurf 39 | 1,981
4 Aug 2015 #5
but there is no mention of the Warsaw Uprising

You need to face facts, it wasn't a very important event in world history.
Sirens went off here in Katowice and everyone continued working.

But yea man, knock yourself out writing rambling emails to heads of websites.
Maybe you'd be interested in this:
amazon.com/Letters-Nut-Ted-L-Nancy/dp/0380973545

Book
Niko
4 Aug 2015 #6
You need to face facts, it wasn't a very important event in world history.

Sorry?

That's a key event for what our world became after the war.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,227
4 Aug 2015 #7
You need to face facts, it wasn't a very important event in world history.

- has just declared another Brit Bully.
If the Warsaw Uprising wasn't "important", as you say, why does Britannica omit Yorkshire Day celebrated on 1 August, too, which is an extremely important event in the world?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Aug 2015 #8
issue about the holocaust

False or exaggerated facts such as the contention that Poles were Hitler's Holocaust accomplices are readily disseminated, but Polish achievements (eg Enigma, the largest underground in Nazi-occupied Europe, the Polish Secret State, better kill record in the RAF than the Brits who were defending their own country after all -- one could go on and on) are suppressed, ignored or ascribed to someone else. Omitting the Uprising is just another example. Another blatant abuse is the contstant inclusion of homosexuals amongst Hitler's victims, but in some cases Poles, who lost many times that number, are consigned to the "and others" category. Need more examples? How about Britain's betrayal of Poland?
smurf 39 | 1,981
4 Aug 2015 #9
Sorry?

Important in Polish history, not important in world history.
Think of it like Doda.
She's famous in Poland, not famous anywhere else.
Or like The Boer War(s), important to South Africans, but the rest of the world just says "Meh" Sure the only important thing about the Boer Wars were the British inventing concentration camps.

Brit Bully.

LOL!!!!!

If the Warsaw Uprising wasn't "important", as you say

That's not what I said.
I said:

it wasn't a very important event in world history.

Important to Poland, yes, to the world, naw.

why does Britannica omit Yorkshire Day celebrated on 1 August

Hardly important, the first time I've heard of it is today.

Enigma

Cracking Enigma wasn't a Polish achievement. Sure a couple of Poles broke an old code, but not the code that the Nazis were using at the time. I think they were actually something like 18months-2 years behind the proper code. So claiming Poles broke the enigma code is a bit like saying Columbus discovered America, even though the Vikings had been there 100s of years earlier.

Y'see Polonius, your ego is something of mammoth proportions. You need to come to realise that Poland isn't and never has been, nor will be an important country....sorry, it was once, my mistake but that's coz Polish royalty married into the Lithuanian royal family, long time ago though. Poland's like Ireland, or Portugal, or Croatia, or Albania, or Bolivia, or Uruguay, or Chile. It exists, the people living there like it by and large, but on the world stage it means very little to anyone.
jon357 63 | 15,524
4 Aug 2015 #10
I think it's a significant enough event in the war, depending on their criteria - do they for example mention the end of the siege of Leningrad or the battle of Tobruk or the start of the Blitz? If so, the uprising should be mentioned.

Poles were Hitler's Holocaust accomplices

Some were.

Enigm

A largely British achievement.

better kill record in the RAF than the Brits

Perhaps because the Polish contingent was a very small motivated bunch of pilots with pre-war training, rather than ordinary young men who joined up after hostilities started.

the contstant inclusion of homosexuals amongst Hitler's victims

The 'constant' inclusion? Not a penny's compensation was paid until relatively recently.

but in some cases Poles, who lost many times that number,

Remember that the number of LGBT among the Poles who died at German hands (since intelligentsia were a particular target) is higher than the statistical norm among the population as a whole. Intersectionality, y'know...

Nevertheless, There are many, many monuments to Poles who suffered.

why does Britannica omit Yorkshire Day celebrated on 1 August, too, which is an extremely important event in the world?

Hugely important.

You need to come to realise that Poland isn't and never has been, nor will be an important country....sorry, it was once, my mistake but that's coz Polish royalty married into the Lithuanian royal family

Pępek Świata to nationalists. It's called the cultural cringe. That and a pathological need to blame others for, well, everything...

It rather reinforces stereotypes to see someone worked up that a foreign encyclopaedia doesn't reflect their own outlook on their own country's history. Perhaps Pol3 would like the Encyklopedia Powszechna's entries on Germany to reflect a particularly nationalistic German viewpoint. Perhaps we should give the Spanish a veto for the entries on their civil war. But which lot of Spanish?

And I reserve the right to edit any Polish book on my home town...
smurf 39 | 1,981
4 Aug 2015 #11
Pępek Świata

hahaha, that's hilarious, I'd never heard of that term before. Very good.

It rather reinforces stereotypes to see someone worked up that a foreign encyclopaedia doesn't reflect their own outlook on their own country's history.

+1
It's a bit pathetic really.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,227
4 Aug 2015 #12
sorry, it was once, my mistake but that's coz Polish royalty married into the Lithuanian royal family, long time ago though

And this is a perfect example how you confuse facts. Polish royalty naver married into the Lithuanian royal family since it was Lithuanian duchy family who married into the Polish one.

Hardly important [Yorkshire Day], the first time I've heard of it is today.

You are wrong again. And the fact that you haven't heard of it only proves how uneducated you are. Yorkshire Day is very important, almost as important as the Warsaw Uprising of 1944. Not without reason jon357 has mentioned it should be included in Britannica. I fully agree with jon357 this time.

They should include the Warsaw Uprising for that day. And also Yorkshire Day which is celebrated on 1 August.

smurf 39 | 1,981
4 Aug 2015 #13
Lithuanian duchy family who married into the Polish one

Same thing, they both married into each other. Duh.

You are wrong again

Hardly, it certainly ain't important where I'm from nor where I live.
I've no problem with it, good that people from a locality are celebrating it. But, yea, not important in the grand old scheme of the world.

Sure, most people from outside England wouldn't even know where Yorkshire even is.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Aug 2015 #14
higher than the statistical norm

Yes, but no matter how you slice it, nearly 3 normal Catholic million Poles were killed and the number of homo victims is nowhere near that number. As a numerically insignificant fringe group, it's the homos that deserve to be consigned to the "and others" category. If that is no logner the case, that only shows the pervasiveness of the LGBT establishment's generously bankrolled and well-oiled propaganda machine.

Who pays the piper calls the tune - historical truth be damned!!
jon357 63 | 15,524
4 Aug 2015 #15
Their religIon is by the by, and the occupiers were not in the least bit interested in that. Among that three million were many who would not define themselves by a religion and many who were not heterosexual, however much that grieves you. And no group deserves to be "consigned to" a general category. And none are. Or perhaps they all should be, since fascists kill indiscriminately.

Ziemowitetc, I'm pleased that you support Yorkshire Day; a wholly positive occasion celebrating a region with a far longer and far richer history and far more culturally significant history than Poland. You should be aware though that I included it as an example of how you don't always get what you want.

Anyway, when does Yorkshire get its veto on the contents of the Encyklopedia Powszechna...
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Aug 2015 #16
many

Many is a very vague term: 10%, 30%, 75%, 90%. About 90% would identify themselves as Christian, mostly Catholic but also Eastern Orthodox.
You always tend to focus on "the nots", the non-conformists, the minorities, the exceptions to the rule. Is that the result of your minority status?
jon357 63 | 15,524
4 Aug 2015 #17
It's an irrelevance, pol3, that's what it's. The fact is that the occupiers just didn't care; nationalists don't; they are by nature haters.

And one country dies not have, nor has ever had, editorial approval over another country's encyclopædia.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,227
4 Aug 2015 #18
Ziemowitetc, I'm pleased that you support Yorkshire Day; a wholly positive occasion celebrating a region with a far longer and far richer history and far more culturally significant history than Poland.

If so, why does smurf say that

Sure, most people from outside England wouldn't even know where Yorkshire even is.

?
jon357 63 | 15,524
4 Aug 2015 #19
You mean in fact you think that two people from different countries who've never met (and you from a third country have never met either) should agree on some point you're ignorant of yourself?
Vox - | 175
5 Aug 2015 #20
not important in world history.

You mean omitted in world history. How do you measure importance? Should importance be measured by popularity , by influence or by something else?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
8 Aug 2015 #21
Importance is measured by those who write the history books and whose payroll they're on.


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