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The Two Saddest Nations on Earth... Poles and Jews



Seanus 15 | 19,748    
14 Jun 2010  #61

Ironside, how do you know it was fiction and how do you know Szpilman's wasn't? Were you there? History tends to distort across the board.


joepilsudski 26 | 1,394    
14 Jun 2010  #62

I suggested on another thread that PF change it's name to 'Judeo-Polonia Forum' to make all the Jews and Judeophiles who post happy...What say?
king polkakamon - | 546    
14 Jun 2010  #63

The Two Saddest Nations on Earth... Poles and Jews

Czechs are also sad because they don't have a harbour.
zetigrek    
14 Jun 2010  #64

King, no one is laughing...
Torq 25 | 2,260    
14 Jun 2010  #65

I suggested on another thread that PF change it's name to 'Judeo-Polonia Forum' to make all the Jews and Judeophiles who post happy...What say?

Judging by the number of "Polish" posters, who live in the USA and don't even speak
Polish, the more appropriate name would be 'Plastic Poles' Forum' to make all Plastic
Poles happy... What say?
joepilsudski 26 | 1,394    
14 Jun 2010  #66

Hell, I speak a little...I could actually speak better as a kid because my mom and grandmother spoke it around the house, and I went to Polish language class...But then I went to a high school that was mostly Jewish, so it wasn't really needed so much.

Hey, and what's wrong with the USA?...We give the Jews tons of money!

Poles not so much, it's true...But, hey, we give you missiles to defend against Iran and North Korea!
vetala - | 383    
14 Jun 2010  #67

But then I went to a high school that was mostly Jewish

Were you bullied or something? That would explain some things.
Torq 25 | 2,260    
14 Jun 2010  #68

Hell, I speak a little...I could actually speak better as a kid because
my mom and grandmother spoke it around the house, and I went to Polish language class.

Don't worry - I'm not saying that it's a bad thing to be a Plastic Pole. I only think that,
because of your enormous advantage in numbers over native Poles here, the name of
the forum should reflect it somehow. When you think about it, it's only one letter in the
abbreviation: PPF instead of PF ;)

But, hey, we give you missiles to defend against Iran and North Korea!

LMFAO

everybody knows that you are mcoy

I only have one account on this forum. I know it's hard FOR YOU to believe, thebear45.
MareGaea 29 | 2,770    
14 Jun 2010  #69

and none bear even the slightest resemblance to what I asked

Hey I did give you what you asked. I have been pretty much forgiving so far. It's brainless morons like Sokrates who don't grasp the concept of this and keep on being the intolerant freaks that they are. Mediawatch is one of them too.

Pls forgive JoePilsudkski...he is a hardened anti-Jew and he will never learn.

>^..^<

M-G (Hup Holland!)
joepilsudski 26 | 1,394    
14 Jun 2010  #70

Were you bullied or something? That would explain some things.

Bullied?...Not at all...The school president was Jewish, and he was gay...My art teacher, Mrs.Linda was Jewish and she let us bring albums into class...This is where my Polish friend, Tony, turned me on to all the great rock and jazz that was happening in the 60s...My music teacher was Jewish, and he let myself and a friend bring in outrageous 'free jazz' records to play for the class...He gave us both 'A' for a grade...As far as students, many of my best friends were Jewish...BTW, one of my history classmates was Douglas Feith, George Bush's National Security advisor...He was Jewish, but ran with another crowd.

My first really good job (meaning I liked it, and it paid OK) was in a Jewish deli that my Ukranian high school buddy hooked me up with.

I also learned my first 'hip licks' on the guitar from a Jewish guy named Steve.

I am always amazed at how many posters on here stereotype me, and have almost no sense of humor...Maybe it is true about you Polacks over there being 'sad sacks'.
Seanus 15 | 19,748    
14 Jun 2010  #71

Well, M-G, good to see that I didn't find my way onto your list of anti-Semites. Some make the mistake of putting me in that category but I really don't know enough to be that way. I dislike rampant Zionists but I dislike most rampant types :)
MareGaea 29 | 2,770    
14 Jun 2010  #72

Bullied?...Not at all...The school president was Jewish, and he was gay...My art teacher, Mrs.Linda was Jewish and she let us bring albums into class...This is where my Polish friend, Tony, turned me on to all the great rock and jazz that was happening in the 60s...My music teacher was Jewish, and he let myself and a friend bring in outrageous 'free jazz' records to play for the class...He gave us both 'A' for a grade...As far as students, many of my best friends were Jewish...BTW, one of my history classmates was Douglas Feith, George Bush's National Security advisor...He was Jewish, but ran with another crowd.

So what's the story with your anti-Jewish conspiracy theories then?

Well, M-G, good to see that I didn't find my way onto your list of anti-Semites. Some make the mistake of putting me in that category but I really don't know enough to be that way. I dislike rampant Zionists but I dislike most rampant types :)

You of all ppl should know me better, seanus :)

>^..^<

M-G (nuff said)
Seanus 15 | 19,748    
14 Jun 2010  #73

Oh, Douglas Feith has been reported to have been in a couple of scandals, M-G, though I can't vouch for their verifiable truth.

Anyway, Sire doesn't want the thread going in this direction. What he might like to hear is that many Poles come back satisfied from Israel. To me, Poles and Jews have many similarities, esp the older ones. They are both stingier than the Scots for starters ;) ;)

Seanus (wonders if he should have used wink marks, probably not)
PlasticPole 7 | 2,669    
14 Jun 2010  #74

Were you bullied or something? That would explain some things.

More because he's jealous, probably...
joepilsudski 26 | 1,394    
14 Jun 2010  #75

So what's the story with your anti-Jewish conspiracy theories then?

No theories...Facts are facts...Some just take some time to be recognized.

As far as Jews personally, they are all individuals, like everybody else.

Quite a few Jews share my 'conspiracy theories', you might be surprised!

Noam Chomsky just had a few problems over there, you know...He graduated from the Philadelphia public school system, just like me.
Seanus 15 | 19,748    
14 Jun 2010  #76

Philadelphia seems to produce people who challenge Jewish wisdom on certain issues. I gather that Norman Finkelstein got a standing ovation and warm welcome when there. I saw most of his speech on Youtube. I like that man, he knows what he is about.
zetigrek    
15 Jun 2010  #77

Some make the mistake of putting me in that category but I really don't know enough to be that way.

You mean me? I was just kiddin! ;)

Norman Finkelstein

??? I've always thought he is a fictinal charachter... ;D
George8600 10 | 641    
15 Jun 2010  #78

George8600:
What we should be worrying about is the surge of Ukrainians and Germans into our country.

Profile of George8600:

Country, city: Chicago, IL
Do you speak Polish?: A little.

Is there really such a huge surge of Ukrainians and Germans into the USA?

lol creeper. I meant ethnic wise since I am Polish, and I meant Poland not the US.
OP Sire Brenshar 1 | 61    
15 Jun 2010  #79

To many posts to answer... But all I can say is (never mind my original idea, since half of it was to NOT post none-progressive stuff) that I actually like the way this thread is going.

I can't really put it into words, but it feels like people are talking deeper than on all those other Polish-Jewish threads.

Thanks very much to everyone who is participating (yes M-G, you did too) I learning quite a bit, reading old texts and half buried (not literally of course) books on Jewish-Polish relations is all very fine, but it will never quite beat the real people expressing their opinions.

By the way, just so people don't get the idea that I'm a Jewophile (whatever that is) this is my first discussion that I am involved in that involves Jews and Poles, generally I am rather critical of Zionists (not to an unreasonable amount though) but my Polish Patriotism actually compels me to... do something (anything) about mending this issue.

-The Two Saddest Nations on Earth... Poles and Jews;
To all those making a fuss about the title, meaning that you don't understand that it's not being used literally, then my only advice is not either learn English or abandon using it completely.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,394    
15 Jun 2010  #80

Pls forgive JoePilsudkski...he is a hardened anti-Jew and he will never learn.

Jah, forgive Joe 'Pogrom a Day' Pilsudski!..I am hardened 'anti-Jew'...That is why I married one at one point...You know what else?...I also wrote musical piece called 'Holocaust' consisting of synthesizer, bag pipes and woman's voice saying Hebrew prayer...In 1982...It was performed at Rutgers University in US, at Steadman Gallery...'Famous' violinist/performance artist Laurie Anderson was among people who performed at same gallery.

I just don't care for insane Zionists, Israeli spies, Jewish organized crime and media control so that no one can question Zionist POV...Yes, hard core 'anti-Jew'...Excuse me.

Philadelphia seems to produce people who challenge Jewish wisdom on certain issues. I gather that Norman Finkelstein got a standing ovation and warm welcome when there. I saw most of his speech on Youtube. I like that man, he knows what he is about.

Nah, Philadelphia in the Jewish pocket, although only a handful live here anymore...See, Jews moved out of Philadelphia 'en masse' when Blacks started moving into formerly Jewish neighborhoods...I don't blame them...But what happened was Jewish realtors started 'blockbusting' meaning they moved Jews wholesale into certain suburbs, and SELLING the homes to the Blacks...They link up with Jewish realtors in certain suburban communities and you have a big population shift...This don't happen overnight, but over maybe 5-10 years...Some Jews don't move fast enough and have a hard time as Blacks move into old neighborhood, and crime increases.

When I say 'in pocket' I mean they still politically powerful from suburbs and rich part of downtown, and they control certain politicians and get certain contracts: Parking lots, condo development and gambling, sports teams plus cable TV & internet.

In Philadelphia press, you do not criticize Zionists or you lose your job...Same on TV & radio...All under Zionist control...Complete...Sad to say.

Now, Finklestein speech in Philly, I don't know about...Probably a mostly Jewish audience, with some goy students...But, yes, as I have said many Jews are fed up with crazy Israel...Especially Israelis...How would you feel living in a country in a constant state of war and fear promoted by your own leadership?
Seanus 15 | 19,748    
15 Jun 2010  #81

Yeah, there is growing discontent amongst Jews that live outwith Israel. Poland might have had a similar problem if Stalin had gotten his way. Many Poles might have been swept off to the far-flung corners of the USSR. Interesting point!

Given the fluctuating status of Poland during WWI, what would Poles have done regarding their homeland?
Rogalski 5 | 94    
15 Jun 2010  #82

But then I went to a high school that was mostly Jewish

And all is revealed ...

insane Zionists, Israeli spies, Jewish organized crime and media control so that no one can question Zionist POV

My problem with that is, you single out the Jews in your list - what about other insane nationalists, spies in general, goy-organised crime and the control of the media by shady groups?
Seanus 15 | 19,748    
15 Jun 2010  #83

The truth is that it is hard to know who really pulls the strings. Those that operate behind the scenes are hard to trace in the so-called shadow government.

Anyway, Sire will be having a fit by now. Why not more exchange programs? Jewish schoolkids come here so why not send some Polish groups out there and see how they operate? I don't see Poles and Jews as being wholly incompatible at all.
MediaWatch 10 | 947    
15 Jun 2010  #84

My problem with that is, you single out the Jews in your list - what about other insane nationalists, spies in general, goy-organised crime and the control of the media by shady groups?

Yes the shady Goyim can be just as bad.
MareGaea 29 | 2,770    
16 Jun 2010  #85

Jah, forgive Joe 'Pogrom a Day' Pilsudski!..I am hardened 'anti-Jew'...That is why I married one at one point...You know what else?...I also wrote musical piece called 'Holocaust' consisting of synthesizer, bag pipes and woman's voice saying Hebrew prayer...In 1982...It was performed at Rutgers University in US, at Steadman Gallery...'Famous' violinist/performance artist Laurie Anderson was among people who performed at same gallery.

You're a bit slow on that one, Joe. But I will forgive you on that one. And as for myself, I was born into it. It's in my genes, you know. But pls, heed my request in the next sentence, my respect for you would rise if you did.

Yes! Why don't you post some music of yourself? I'd be delighted to hear sth you produced yourself, like I post my music on here as well. Pls do, you would gain quite some credit, at least in my book, Joe!

Yes the shady Goyim can be just as bad.

MW, will you now stop it before I really get angry at you? You don't want me to get angry at you. I know you're basically a good guy, so don't let me get angry at you, ok?

>^..^<

M-G (go North Corea!)
Gunash55in - | 2    
16 Jun 2010  #86

Y pl talk about origin rather speaking about humanity..
Stop speaking about i belong this land and u belong to that land and lets not be brothers or so..we all are born in this world and we are here as humans...

One thin line in mind can separate in miles..

lets all be friends and brothers and sisters..

Ganesh
f stop 25 | 2,528    
16 Jun 2010  #87

-The Two Saddest Nations on Earth... Poles and Jews;
To all those making a fuss about the title, meaning that you don't understand that it's not being used literally, then my only advice is not either learn English or abandon using it completely.

Huh?? And what does this say about somebody who can't understand why others might object to this cheap, sensationalistic title?
1jola 14 | 1,884    
16 Jun 2010  #88

Is Rafał Betlejewski a provocator?

The inscriptions on the walls of this announcement nationwide socio- artistic project that Raphael Betlejewski start for good January 27 , the International Day of Remembrance for the Victims of the Holocaust in Poland. He is an artist , but also a man of advertising. And he has a unique talent for inventing carrier passwords. He is the author of the famous action " And I, if I would go ? " in 2004 . - series of photographic portraits of billboards participants of the Warsaw Uprising and their memories. He hopes that " I miss you , Jew ! " will be reflected in a similar echo. - I would like this action to express my longing for Polish Jews who were , and now they do not. Mention specific people by name - says Rafał Betlejewski . I encourage you to have reported to him of Warsaw ( and not only) remembering the Jews who want to mention . Such , they know from the literature or in person. Who died during the war or left the Polish in 1968 .
Torq 25 | 2,260    
16 Jun 2010  #89

Is Rafał Betlejewski a provocator?

I read about his action in the previous issue of "Tygodnik Powszechny" - he sounds like a sensible man.
vetala - | 383    
16 Jun 2010  #90

Is Rafał Betlejewski a provocator?

The wording is confusing and might look to some like a provocation. If he had used plural form, it would be clearer.




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