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Polish president Mościcki and Hermann Göring hunting together in 1938


Nathan 18 | 1,363
20 Nov 2010  #1
Very interesting documentary about a hunting trips to Bialowieza forest by Polish president and Nazi Germany Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force during 1936-38. That same Air Force destroyed Polish aviation within two weeks just 1 year later. H. Göring looked very happy then. Did he know about the upcoming war? Did Moscicki offer to raise claims on Czechoslovakia land as soon as the Munich conference would touch the issue? Since the forest lies on the current border with Bielorus', was the ultimatum to Lithuanians made in 1938 discussed there too - way of cutting out the spheres of influence in the future of Eastern Europe? What do you think?


hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
20 Nov 2010  #2
Just diplomacy I guess. Here is Mosicki + Beck with Anthony Eden in Warsaw



more clips of Mosicki


Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,730
20 Nov 2010  #3
Most interesting if seen in the later "slavic subhuman" context what many now (thanks to after war history writing) see as the most driving force behind the Nazi actions which I started to doubt for awhile now.

You don't go hunting with a subhuman, not even diplomatically.

Göring wouldn't want to found dead with a Jew for example...

Another hint that the interwar Poland had a choice (between rock and a hart place admittedly) but still a choice...
Borrka 37 | 594
20 Nov 2010  #4
Most interesting if seen in the later "slavic subhuman" context what many now (thanks to after war history writing) see as the most driving force behind the Nazi actions which I started to doubt for awhile now.

There are at least two subcategories in German (not Nazi only) attitude towards Slavs:
"good" Slavs having their national agenda fully in line with German chauvinistic objectives and
"bad" Slavs opposing it.
Just some examples:
Poles and Serbs were bad (even today they are) for well known reasons and Slovaks, Croats, Ukrainians were "good" or at least useful.

There was always some DNA-magic behind these stereotypes like "Ukrainian peasants are less spoiled with Jewish blood than Polish Mischlings" but it was a nice good nite story only for Helmut and Helga in SS, HJ and BDM uniforms.

Useful and useless are the keywords.
gumishu 11 | 5,012
20 Nov 2010  #5
That same Air Force destroyed Polish aviation within two weeks just 1 year later.

it is a side issue I know - but Polish fighter force was not destroyed by Germans in these two weeks - it just could not operate anymore because of shattered logistic of the country - it's repair and support columns were caught up in ground fighting or could not reach possible new operation areas in the east of Poland for various others reasons - also those pre-war main bases of Polish air force, among them those in eastern Poland, were destroyed by German bombing - it is also noteworthy even in these 17 - 18 days of operation Polish fighter force claimed a considerable share of German air force - it is estimated that Luftwaffe lost well over 200 airplanes in combat over Poland and I guess some 100 of these were downed by Polish fighters (the rest was mostly air defense fire)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,730
20 Nov 2010  #6
There are at least two subcategories in German (not Nazi only) attitude towards Slavs:
"good" Slavs having their national agenda fully in line with German chauvinistic objectives and
"bad" Slavs opposing it.

You really like this stuff, don't you...

Poles and Serbs were bad (even today they are)

They are?

ROFL
Borrka 37 | 594
20 Nov 2010  #7
You really like this stuff, don't you...

Just visit any BdV Internet site, East-Prussian or like that and enjoy LOL.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,730
20 Nov 2010  #8
You are mixing things up here...again...but then, who cares.
If it rocks your boat hating Germans (all 80 millions of us) for allegedly hating Poles (and all other Slavs btw. by default) be my guest! *yawn* It get's boring soon (for most of us that is)...

Borrka: "They hate us!"

Me: "No, they don't"

Borrka: "They hate all Slavs, especially Poles"

Me: "What? All 82 Millions of us?"

Borrka: " They always hated us..since ever!"

Me: "Really! And how about all this intermingling
and mixing and the generations of Poles living
in Germany and vice versa? What about all
the mutually enrichments?"

Borrka: " They hate us! I know it! Oh how I hate them!!!"


;)
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
20 Nov 2010  #9
Polish president Mościcki and Hermann Göring hunting together in 1938

Göring went hunting with Jozef Beck also
southern 75 | 7,097
20 Nov 2010  #10
The point is who they were hunting.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
20 Nov 2010  #11
Borrka: "They hate us!"

Me: "No, they don't"

Borrka: "They hate all Slavs, especially Poles"

Me: "What? All 82 Millions of us?"

Borrka: " They always hated us..since ever!"

Bratwurst Boy i know you'll never admit it but most Germans do hate Poles, and it's been proven with statistics few feel sympathy for us, Poles have a worse image in German society than Turks!!
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,730
20 Nov 2010  #12
Bratwurst Boy i know you'll never admit it but most Germans do hate Poles,

If they would I would say it, believe me! I'm not a PC-kind of guy as you should know by now!

Where should the hate come from in the first place? What did you do?
Between "not feeling sympathy" and "hate" lie worlds, won't you agree?

And it is nigh impossible than to have a worse image than Turks here...
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
20 Nov 2010  #13
Where should the hate come from in the first place? What did you do?
Between "not feeling sympathy" and "hate" lie worlds, won't you agree?

And it is nigh impossible than to have a worse image than Turks here...

HAHA that was funny with the Turks. Bad stereotypes and people believing them, that Poles are drunks, uneducated, thieves, stole "your" land, uncivilized Slavs.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,730
20 Nov 2010  #14
Bad stereotypes and people believing them, that Poles are drunks, uneducated, thieves, stole "your" land, uncivilized Slavs.

Again, where should the hate come from?

Germans are seen by you as humourless, brutal, clinical robotics who opressed and destroyed your country and killed the half of your people.. do you hate me/the Germans?
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
20 Nov 2010  #15
Again, where should the hate come from?

Good question but somehow i felt it, or maybe i was just being a bit paranoid
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,730
20 Nov 2010  #16
What...did you wear a placard "Kick me, I'm a Pole!" ? ;)
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
20 Nov 2010  #17
Nah nah not like that, i just felt it, not a friendly vibe
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
20 Nov 2010  #19
I know many German Americans and they're all nice so i dunno
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
20 Nov 2010  #21
They forgave us ;)
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
20 Nov 2010  #23
Yea in Poland too little sun in the fall and winter, lack of Vitamin D i guess, people walk around looking depressed or mad
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
20 Nov 2010  #25
Bratwurst Boy i know you'll never admit it but most Germans do hate Poles, and it's been proven with statistics few feel sympathy for us, Poles have a worse image in German society than Turks!!

I think you are being hard on BB and the Germans. If you met Germans on a face to face basis I am certain you would change your mind! Poles are also prone to stereotyping you know.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
21 Nov 2010  #26
I think you are being hard on BB

He knows i'm only kidding
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
22 Nov 2010  #27
Diplomacy at work, big deal.

It might interest you Nathan that they were hunting wild Ukrainians :))))))
OP Nathan 18 | 1,363
23 Nov 2010  #28
Seems like you deeply suck in diplomacy, don't you? Maybe, Moscicki hunted his fantasies, but Göring was examining the places where his tanks will be a year later just a few weeks after the start of the war :) But there is nothing out of unusual - not only diplomacy that you seem to suck in ;)
wildrover 98 | 4,452
23 Nov 2010  #29
[quote=Nathan]but Göring was examining the places where his tanks will be a year later ....

Goring was the head of the German air force....Kliest and Guderian were the Panzer boys...

Incidentally...did you know that the reason there are racoons in Poland is due to Herman himself...?

Being a keen hunter her decided that raccons would be good to hunt , so had a pair imported from the USA... they bred , and the rest is history...
Harry
23 Nov 2010  #30
Very interesting documentary about a hunting trips to Bialowieza forest by Polish president and Nazi Germany Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force during 1936-38.

Was this before or after Poland and Germany had teamed up to invade Czechoslovakia?


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