How much Poles trust to France?

Not that much, one of many, same with Germany - mostly promises. Russian tanks and planes have lot of French and German parts/elements.


She can be more foward as she has no offcial function. I doubt Macron disagree with her. I doubt German elite disagree with them.
Germany seems to want to wait out that war and hopes they can go back to deal with Russia as soon as posssible. Germany doesn't want Ukrainian victory.

On that issue Germany and France stand together.

Including supplying russia with weapons even after the invasion started!

Nonsense.

Basically, they want reconstruction contracts and access to markets via the EU.

And what if you're wrong and Le Pen will be even worse than Macron? You like her only because she's a nationalist - like you. That's a selfish, stupid and dangerous attitude.

She would be worse, but she won't win.

The result might be a little closer than last time, but Macron will win another term.

Especially as nationalists hate each other....there won't be any cooperation possible (other than keeping migrants out).

Every nationalist lamenting Germany not doing enough for Ukraine (or any other european neighbour) is a joke compared to real nationalists leading european countries....there won't even be a bad conscience any more "not doing enough", quite the contrary....there would be queues in Moscow!

I'd say that's 60% likely. Either way, they are between the devil and the deep blue sea.

The dangers of an Orban/Le Pen axis is real, however hopefully the French electorate will see sense. It's one election I'd not want to gamble on though.

I'm not a voter and French will elect whomever they want and Poland will have to deal with whoever is in charge. Aslo I don't think I'm wrong - there is no fool proof opinions, actions or decisitions.

France has its interets and they will roll with it.
On a side note - seems to me that La Pen is a token boogie man/woman. She gather all those who are not pleased with a current government, in second round all lefties gathers and vote on Mikron just to keep that terrible boogie man out of the office. Look staged to me but here I can be wrong as I don't care that much who rule in France - they will always support Germany and have hots for Russia.


I neither like her or dislike her - I don't know her well enough to have personal preferences. I don't care who is going to win. French policy towards Russia and Poland will not change no matter who will win.

I would.
MLP has no chance.
Macron is not popular in France but he demolished MLP in a TV debate the other night and her poll rankings plummeted.

Don't get me wrong, I despise Macron, but MLP is even worse in many ways.

Poles should not trust France as the French have no interest in Poland.

@Miloslaw
I dislike them both. Once, I had hopes for Micron however he hasn't turned out well. Le Pen is a bogeyman, and there is good reason to dislike her.


Agreed.

Me too.

He turned out to be an arrogant French, vote chasing wimp.
And he even failed at that!
BTW, I have close ties with France and my French is better than my Polish.

I was never a Brexiter however his comments about the U.K. "needing to be punished" over the decision to leave said a lot about him, as did his threatening to turn the electricity off in Jersey. Very much showing his true colours, being petulant when his empire-building crumbles. I suspect the EU will not come out of this period in its present form. We are better off out of it.

I'm a Francophile too, or was until spending 3 years in a former French colony in Africa. Then my francophilia decidedly cooled. Micron has very much nailed his colours to the table too over the past couple of years. Perhaps things will change after the election, perhaps they won't.

Worth mentioning that his absolutely unwarranted attack on the effectiveness of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine (entirely due to commercial reasons and entirely untrue) has almost certainly led to thousands of deaths in the developing world.

In Poland, all he wants is support for his empire building and of course commercial contracts.

France is Poland's natural ally. After all.

@Alien

What a stupid statement to read for the morning. Thank you. I now go to toilet.

Please stop.

What is stupid in French- Polish friendship?

natural ally.

Did you heard for Limes Sorabicus? See, that is Frankish state (that later split on Germany and France) that cut that Limes thru land of Serbs and other Slavs. They reduced power of Poland and made possible Poland to serve their purposes. To live in servitude to strangers.

But stay stupid if you like it. But know this. If Poland fail as state, we Serbs would work with Lusatians, Kashubs and those Poles who still feel Sarmatian. States come and go. Only Sarmatia is eternal.

France is natural ally only to the Vatican and Greeks in Drang Nach Osten.

I am loyal to my ancestors that were hunted down by enemies of Sarmatia. Self-proclaimed Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Islamic, Jewish, whatever. I fuc* them all.

I like French cars, French wine and French Art of Life, they have no heart attacks... and a beautiful country.

The French though and the Poles are almost entirely different as a people, in my experience!
First of all, the French have what has often been termed an ironic/"laissez-faire" view of life, quite in contrast to the more serious, impassioned, indeed almost dogged, world view of the Poles. The former have always been told that they're the belly button of the known universe, that they are perfect, classy, savvy, aesthetic and enviable in nearly any way one can think of. This being in stark contrast with the latter whose country had long been (UNFAIRLY!) labled by richer, more powerful neighbors a primitive backwater whose inhabitants were said to have been little more than stupid, lazy clodhoppers living at the far end of "civilized" Europe. Even Chopin has been claimed by the French for their ownLOL

That's scarcely a very happy head start in life now, is it. Furthermore, Catholicism has often been treated with a degree of nominal importance in France, frequently the but of jokes and spite by many a French writer, among them Flaubert. On the other hand, Poles would seem to treat their rock-ribbed Catholic faith with more seriousness than life itself, often crossing themselves in front of a church as a matter of rote whereas the French on average might not show such open religiosity.

Stereotypes as the above may well appear, every stereotype is based to a degree on the truth.

That wasn't even true in the 1980s....

Quite. There is far more cynicism than outsiders think or insiders admit.

That's one reason the church is so "full on" sometimes in Poland, analogous to the extremism that emerged in France partly as a result of läicité and religious pluralism which the church saw as a threat.


Manifest destiny, something that France and the US share, an idea that their ways are the best ways and that others should aspire to them and or/copy them. Poland (although they do often think their way is right and others wrong) doesn't have that. Cultural cringe maybe mitigates that and people in Poland are often sensitive to what they believe outsiders think of them, however they don't have that same sense of manifest destiny as the French.

I should have guessed that someone like Crow started this toxic thread years ago.
As usual, he is ill informed and the history is far too complex for his small Serbian brain to comprehend.
I am of 100% Polish descent.
But my mother's parents moved to France between the World Wars.
So I know about the long history and connection between France and Poland.
Unlike Crow.
It has existed for decades and exists to this day.
And the conections go much deeper than many people realise.
Many of you posters on here need to check that history out, before posting.
Especially Serbian troublemakers.

Then you suggest Poland to open borders to French? To all French? Why hesitate?

The two countries have had open borders to each other, a single market and freedom of movement for quite a few years now.

And long historical and cultural links.

Once Poles taught the French to use forks and spoons instead of fingers at the table. And the French gave Poles a few useful words - e.g., franca - the French disease. That is why today both nations feel they have a lot in common when culture is involved.

There is such a long history of connections between France and Poland.

Just think Maria Skłodowska-Curie,Fryderyk Chopin for a start.

@Crow

Read this and educate yourself;

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The Italians also taught the French how to cook. Jon's correct. Add to the list of the manifest destined, pre-and War-time Germany! Only difference then vs. now, is that today Germany's concerned solely with her place in the WORLD, rather than her place in the sun-:) Poland used to stress French in school, later replaced by German, then Russian.

Hahahaha!!!

You really are quite ignorant.

When was that then?

During the Roman invasion?

Because that is the only Italian invasion of France that I can think of.....

If you truly knew French and Italian cuisine, you would not only know that they are mainly quite different but also that French cuisine is far more diverse than Italian.

French wines are also superior to Italian ones.

I love both cuisines.

You've been brainwashed by Julia Child, I see.

There has been culinary intercourse between Poland and France for a long time. With choucroute alsacienne and bigos, it's a case of which came first, te( chicken or the egg. I prefer the French one personally. There's also tarte tropezienne which has Polish origins and was brought by emigres though is sadly no longer known in Poland.


Not not as well known in Europe as she was over there. It was Elizabeth David for us. She wrote about French country cooking and cuisine bourgeoise as well as Mediterranean cooking including Italian. Very exotic back in the 50s when olive oil came in little bottles from the chemist marked "for external use only" and spaghetti was either in a tin or served with chips (fries). Interestingly she hated Polish food.