Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond

Let me remind you that you are committing the crime of Shoah denial which is punishable in decent countries, except the US. Shame on Americans.

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I wonder how people like you come into being? How do you become so retarded? lol Are your parents as retarded as you? Where do you get your "ideas" from? lol

I am sending you all to jail. All I have to do is post something that denies "The Shoah" and you read it.
If you ever read Hitler's second book, he is saying

Poles and Polesses are sending you to the pink ass. Enjoy!!! hahahaha

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Why destroy only the documentation but not what is shown as being all the other evidence?

Anyway, according to a published article the numbers were deliberately concocted by the communists for political reasons and the numbers changed only after the communist regime collapsed.

FIXING THE NUMBERS AT AUSCHWITZ

"...scholars of the Holocaust now agree that the Auschwitz death toll was less than half the four million cited here for four decades. The actual number was probably between 1.1 million and 1.5 million..."The numbers that we dealt with before were numbers that were politically motivated," said the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council in Washington. The communists tried to "de-Judaize" Auschwitz to emphasize that other nationalities, particularly Poles, died at the hands of the Nazis..."

chicagotribune.com/1992/05/07/fixing-the-numbers-at-auschwitz/


No, you're wrong (as usual!).



Don't you go around telling everyone that you teach for a living and live close to the old camps too having visited both during your Soviet youth and after you lot lost power in Poland? :)

What "other evidence"?

Are you a Holocaust denier too? 🤨


Perhaps that was the case, I don't know - I can't read the article ("not available in my region" for some reason), so I don't know where the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council in Washington got that info from (about Soviet reasons behind those numbers).

However, Pilecki was giving similar numbers - from 2 to 5 million and I don't think he's being accused of "concocting" those numbers for some kind of political reasons.

And what was the official number given in the West?


That was true about PRL, I don't know about the Soviet Union. I remember that Spielberg complained that when he visited Auschwitz-Birkenau for the first time (or during filming "Schindler's List" - I don't remember exactly) the tour guide kept saying that "people" were murdered there, without mentioning that majority of them were Jews. I don't see how a higher number of victims would somehow "de-Judaize" Auschwitz though. 🤔

Everything that is now on display.


So they complain that the communists had an agenda but the Jews never did?

It was obviously way easier and quicker to burn sheets of paper than to destroy "everything that is now on display", although they did try:

auschwitz.org/en/history/auschwitz-and-shoah/the-demolition-of-the-gas-chambers/

Btw, have you heard about the "death march"?:

auschwitz.org/en/history/evacuation/the-final-evacuation-and-liquidation-of-the-camp/


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I think he complained about basic facts not being mentioned.

The link you provided outlines a two-year timeframe of events concerning various buildings. One account describes imprisoned laborers damaging a building during a revolt (and these laborers would not have had any reason to conceal evidence). Another account mentions the hasty destruction of a different building the day before Allied troops arrived at the camp. Earlier accounts indicate that some buildings were repurposed or demolished, but there is no evidence suggesting that these actions were part of a cover-up, as other buildings continued to be used for the same purposes until the very end.

There are plenty of personal items from prisoners on display as well at the museum. Clearly these could have easily been destroyed too. Why weren't they but the documents were?


No reason given for marching 56,000 prisoners out of a death camp of all places and then either shooting or allowing thousands of them to freeze to death along the way to somewhere else.

Even if the German soldiers were trying to run away from the approaching Allied troops it doesn't make any sense logistically to take 56,000 prisoners with them. What if they had reached somewhere like Germany? What were they going to do with tens of thousands of prisoners? Kill them there? They could have just shot them back at the camp or abandoned them there to die.


If all lives matter and if things like race and gender are merely social constructs then it is correct and consistent to say "people" were murdered.

Why should there be a need to overemphasize what happened to a self-identified majority when the exact same thing happened to many others who were not part of that self-identified majority?

Read again then:

"As part of the overall liquidation of the evidence of crime, crematoria II and III together with their gas chambers were partially dismantled in late 1944, and ,blown up in January 1945. Crematorium IV was partially burned during the Sonderkommando mutiny on October 7, 1944, and later dismantled. Crematorium V functioned until the very end, and was blown up on January 26, 1945, the day before the liberation of the camp."

Why would you blow up crematoria in January 1945 and the day before the camp's liberation if not to hide the evidence? They could just leave them as they were.

In case you didn't know - the gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau were destroyed by the order of Heinrich Himmler, head of the SS, which he gave in November 1944 - when it was already obvious that the Nazi Germany is going to lose the war.


The guards failed to destroy some of the storerooms - what was left there is what you can see on display.


The reason is given here:

history.com/news/how-the-nazis-tried-to-cover-up-their-crimes-at-auschwitz

"The Nazis' goal wasn't only to destroy evidence of the camp: They had plans to force the prisoners to serve as slave laborers for the Reich. (...)
The only people left behind in the camp were people deemed unfit for labor-those who were too ill or weak. An SS order came down to murder any prisoners who were left, and the SS killed about 700 prisoners in response. However, order at the camp was breaking down. SS officers began escaping themselves, and the strict hierarchy that had kept prisoners in line disappeared. Those officers who stayed burned documents in a last-ditch attempt to hide their crimes."

So, tell me, Poloniusz, do you think that the Holocaust didn't happen?


Because the exact same thing didn't happen to others - only Jews were the Nazis' target for a complete genocide - the purpose of death camps was the annihilation of Jews. Omitting that fact was falsifying history.

Ah, from Nazi propaganda, I'm guessing - it looks like the Nazis liked to cover up stuff with "RAF bombings":

nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/last-days-dachau-concentration-camp

"Elser, who had only recently been transferred to Dachau after spending much of the war in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp, was executed with a shot in the back of the neck on the orders of Heinrich Himmler. Himmler commanded that responsibility for Elser's death be attributed to a raid by the Royal Air Force."

Btw, I've seen a documentary about the liberation of Dachau camp by American troops. In that documentary they showed photos and videos of those trains filled with bodies mentioned in that link I posted:

"They discovered a train comprised of about 40 cars, literally overflowing with corpses."

Here are some of the videos:

collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1004173

Do you vouche the truthfullness of holocaust propaganda to the truthfulness of your belief, ie your religion and your christ?
I guess since this is not true it is also not true that Jesus died for our sins...

The inconsistent destruction of the crematoria at the camp-where some were partially dismantled while others remained operational until shortly before liberation-suggests that the efforts might have been influenced more by a scorched earth policy rather than solely aimed at hiding evidence. As Allied forces advanced, a scorched earth strategy could have led to the targeted destruction of infrastructure to deny its use to the enemy, rather than a coordinated attempt to completely erase evidence of the atrocities. The timing and partial nature of the destruction reflect a response to the imminent threat of Allied forces and practical considerations rather than a purely evidence-concealing strategy.


Why destroy only the crematoria but not the storerooms full of other evidence?


That is really inconsistent. If the Nazi leadership realized the end was near and ordered camps to be dismantled or destroyed then it makes no sense to hang on to 56,000 prisoners "to serve as slave laborers for the Reich."


Are you saying that other groups of prisoners were never gassed, shot or cremated in the same camp?

The inscriptions displayed at the camp with the revised numbers are qualified with the phrase "mainly Jews" not "all Jews". Only the Sonderkommandos were exclusively Jewish and recruited to assist the Nazis with the disposal of corpses but they are rarely if ever mentioned when discussing history.


Shame on Communists.



And don't forget that Poland has legislation that criminalizes the denial of communist crimes. This reflects the country's history of suffering under both Nazi and Soviet occupations and aims to ensure that the atrocities committed by communist regimes are not forgotten or downplayed.

Bottom line is that the Nazis planned on exterminating 11,000.000 European Jews!!!
Now these are simply FACTS, folks. If you don't believe me, then you have but to look at the
minutes of the Wannsee Conference in '44, just one year before the German capitulation. The
documents are readily available.

Had the Allies not won, it's more than probable that this is the number which would have been
murdered. As it happens, Hitler & cohorts got rid of a mere 6,000,000.

So much for quibbling over stats.

Incidentally, did anyone happen to catch the newspaper item about what to do with the Goebbels
Villa on the Bogensee in Berlin?

As a 3rd generation American with Polish heritage I can say the following:
1) That the RAF and the USAF bombed supply lines going to Auschwitz and people starved as a result. The Americans had knowledge of the camps and knew what they were doing...
Source: Talking to American Jews about it
2) The 4 million death toll at Auschwitz figure is a gross exaggeration by the Soviet Union ie, Stalin
Source: Polish forums

That is all I really need to say the Holocaust is a farce. I do not know the nitty gritty and I do not care. It is enough.

Yes, of course.
Again I must ask you to write shorter posts. I don`t read them coz they are too long and boring.

Roosevelt surely was no saint. Indeed, you're partially correct in asserting that
the US might well have had both the command will power as well as the air capacity to bomb
Auschwitz-Birkenau, the major section of the Camp.

However, the president was in a quandry; bomb the camps and risk untold US lives
into the bargain. Leave them untouched, and allow the Nazis even greater leeway towards
achieving their unspeakable goals.

The Holocaust remains the single watershed of history. For the first, perhaps the
only, time, a single society used whatever expedients it deemed necessary, with all the systematic,
industrial cruelty their society had at her disposal, to remove a group labled within
their very midst, in a manner of such sadistic and methodical perseverance, it still beggars
the imagination.

As Raul Hilberg writes in his THE DESTRUCTION OF THE EUROPEAN JEWS, "there
were very few malingerers, and practically no deserters.."

Intimidating. :)

But of course!

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Exactly! Tiny Tim style intimidation. :):)

Back to the topic, guys!