Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first

Yes, a good source for everyone to learn in a pill how Poles treated Ukraine and its people in the past.

Keeping Ukraine under the Polish boot was possible thanks to the trecherous collusion of Polish top elites like royals and aristocrats with Russia. I already mentioned it several times before that most Polish nobles didn`t care what happened to Poland as long as their property and land ownership remained intact. Russian troops provided such protection.

Interviewer: "Your Royal Majesty should not lament too much over the loss of the public good, since You managed to save individual goods," writes Jan Potocki to King Stanisław August right after the Third Partition of Poland. This theme runs through your entire book - Polish elites exploit the tsarist power to maintain their wealth.
Daniel Beauvois: This is one of the things that was not discussed before my research. The archives show that the landed gentry collaborated with the tsar on a huge scale. Without the help of the police, sometimes the Russian army, the Polish lords could not suppress the rebellions or maintain order on their estates. I think this was most visible during the revolution of 1905. At that time, the landed gentry sent a lot of various appeals and telegrams to Kiev, asking the authorities to send a police detachment or a Cossack sotnia to help them. They were surrounded by their peasants. They themselves said: "Our residences are islands of civilization in a sea of ​​barbarity." That's how they saw themselves: as people constantly under threat.

So different than what the nobility regarded ethnic polish peasants then. Besides ethnic Ukrainians were part of the schlata and were part of the parliament etc.

So no different I meant

Who is an ignorant moron and who is not. Unfortunately, you fit in that category. Unfortunately for you. I care only when you start annoying trying to lord over people with your 'knowledge'. When in fact you are just annoying little retard.

Exactly! You only forgot to mention they were allowed to be such after complete polonisation, which included the adoption of the Polish language, culture and religion aka RC. Ha!!!!
It means they were Ukrainian aka Rus no more. They were Poles and Polesses!!!!!!


Polish peasants were catholic while Ukrainian weren`t so the attitude towards the latter was different aka much worse.


Yes, I know, I am annoying to Polish nationalists who dream of committing crimes on others without bearing any responsibility for it.
I am here to dispel those sick desires of yours and your buddies.

More of your moronic nonsense. lol! Keep going, funny that people like you who are ignoramuses don't even know when to be embarrassed.

The Polish film adaptation of By Fire and Sword novel written by Polish Noble Prize winner Sienkiewicz is illustrated with the march of Cossack army against Polish forces during Chmielnicky Rising of 17th century. The scene features Let`s pour brothers which is an ancient Ukrainian song, origin and author unknown.

Let us pour, brothers,
Into crystal bowls,
Sabres would not take,
Bullets would pass by
Our hard heads!

So that Ukraine
would never cry,
So that our fame
and Cossack glory
Would endure forever.

For Cossack glory
is covered with our blood,
Slashed with swords,
Hewn with sabres
And washed in tears.

Let us rejoice, brothers,
While we have strength!
Until the march,
Until the sunrise

For the Cossack fate,
Like a rue in the field -
Slashed by rains,
Whipped by thunderbolts,
Together with the wind it rages.

Like the clatter of storks,
The Cossack character -
It will burst into laughter,
It will burst out sincerely,
In the end it will cry.

As you can see, it was the Polish King who invaded Russ lands and captured Kyiv.

Grateful Poles/Polesses put him on two banknotes: in communist and capitalist times. Amasing!

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Who should apologise first???

The one who started fighting as first.

Isn`t it fair and simple????

Poles/Polesses put the King who attacked and occupied Russ land on their banknotes and they deem it is fully right and correct.
While Poles/Polesses are extremely pissed off when they see how Ukrainians honour their men who fought against Polish occupation in the past.

It isn`t fair.

Should kiss our asses because without us they wouldn't even exist.

And without them we would be surrounded by Russia in the north and whole east.
But you don`t mind coz you want to be a Polish Quisling working for Russians like Polish communists did in the past. HA!!!!

@Admin

Now that Pawian is gone from PF, this raging nonsense of a thread can finally be closed and moved to Polanda or some other cemetery of ridiculous threads. Thank you.

I disagree. While a certain poster had been ever more unhinged... the topic (historical relations between Poles and Ukrainians) is certainly relevant and reasonable people should be able to discuss why relations were often so bad (not entirely the fault of a single side).

It's emotional but reasonable people should be able to keep those in check.

Too bad reasonable people are like for medicine around here (to borrow an idiom)..

Shhh...

Be quiet, Maf. I am trying to provoke Pawian to come back to PF.

You should ask your tranny prostitute to increase the bondage stuff if you need a dose of masochism instead of inflicting all of us with pavians genocide victim blaming trendy bile and giberish

there is no help for you.

Oh, come on you guys. If Pawian is not here, whom will we all hate and disagree with? Sure, there's always Novichok and Strzelec, but the former is boring and repetitive and the latter is too disgusting to interact with. Pawian at least had some intelligence and creativity and, say what you want of him but - in his own twisted and strange way - he loves Poland like we all do.

Come on Pawian, you fatherland-betraying, leftard, feminist monkey - come back! :):):)

Some users make Espana a honorary guest in comparison, while he had pleasure of trolling Poles and make as much possible mockery of Poland as possible. What has the world come to

Espana is a poet and a scholar. I try to follow humbly in his footsteps. But I sketch in charcoal, and he paints with light. I am the echo, and he is the voice.

I am the candle to his sun.

Once I read a post from Espana, and he said - "My dog is stupid. I think he is Polish."

Ah, Espana.

He really hates and despises Poles and Poland. Such genuine feelings have to be honoured and respected. He's always welcome here.

I wonder how his mum is doing these days.

Nope, they shouldn`t.

How to apologize to nonexistent entity. See? Its impossible.

Then also, all what Poland did, Poland did for love.... And all what is done in love is good.

Love for the wealth, love for more populace, love for the power, love for domination within Slavic ie Sarmatian world, love for the Pope.

See, Russia itself behaved in a similar way. But its past now.

That is quality trolling, much better than the sad but determined attempts of others.

If you are going to troll you may as well be funny, angry doesnt do it.

This thread is quality trolling. Pawian hit me with it when it hurt the most. But I forgive him.

Talking about Ukraine;



You really are a pathetic comedian.......

Poland and Russia will be soon united in love. Then comes the Serbia, Hungary, Slovakia. Etc.

The more the merrier.

this will be called a toxic relationship.

I think you are mistaken, that moron is serious.
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This is Bobko, the only troll I read, but only his short pieces. It doesn't change the fact that he is a dangerous troll.

...aka a Russian patriot.

I will take a Russian patriot trolling for his country way ahead of a watery tasteless, odorless blah crap like you.

But don't feel bad...You have company here...Want a list?

For the record, PAK is at the top of my respect list for two reasons: (1) He is capable of changing his mind, and (2) he called me names.

That's what honest people do. Spineless slime is always dishonest, smiling and nodding...in a permanent bootlicking mode to stay safe with the ruling mob...

In this sense, pawian registers higher than you, Tacitus, Barney, or the "girls"...

I have never felt better. russia has been sitting in siht somewhere in the Ukrainian steppes for 3 years, and now they may even ban the AfD in Germany.