Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first

Where did I say it????? :):):)

An interesting fact is that Rus peasants who weren`t Cossacks were called czerń - blacks.

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czer%C5%84_(ruskie_ch%C5%82opstwo)
Cherń ( Ukrainian: чернь ) - a term coined in the 17th century to describe peasants who did not have the status of Cossacks and lived in the Dnieper Ukraine , i.e. the Bracław , Kiev and Chernihiv voivodeships of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth . Cherń was also referred to as peasants who took part in Cossack uprisings .

You are a classic representative of czerń.

Weak. :):):)

But it's rather from this city of Chernihiv/ Czernichow and not color.

Not really. Ukraine is famous for its fertile lands which in Polish is named black soil - czarnoziem. Czern aka blacks were peasants who worked on black soil.

Not only their rich soil but also huge mineral deposits.
Ukraine could use those mineral resources to help pay back what the world has given them in military aid.
Will they is the question.

Don`t be stupid. Ukrainians are protecting the free world`s ass so the aid we give them is for free.

meanwhile in new york and canada

odysee.com/@JonahInTheHeartOfNineveh:2/WAZ-and-the-'Magic-Circle':e

Hopefully not! American earth has been so much used and abused that levels of magnesium in the earth has reached an all time low! Providing lower amounts of magnesium in foods! Doing same thing with same methods is a real tragedy if it is happening in Ukraine!

Later on, there were more rebellions and risings in the part of Ukraine owned by Polish state. The pattern of events regularly included massacres of Polish colonisers and Jews in the areas where the unrest took place, mostly in cities and towns. Killings were done by enraged Cossacks or Rus peasants who had enough of Polish overbearing rule or the cruel exploitation by Polish lords.

E.g, Palej`s Rising of 1702-1704:
In 1699 a new Polish king Augustus II disbanded the Cossack militia and signed a peace treaty with Ottoman Turkey. Cossacks were angered by this situation, and in 1702 colonel (polkovnyk) Paliy started an open rebellion against the crown. Rebellious Cossacks massacred their traditional enemies - Polish szlachta, Catholic priests and Jews - in the area they controlled.
Palei was arrested, imprisoned for a year in a fortress and, at the request of Peter I, extradited and taken to Russia. The peasants taken prisoner, of whom there were about 70,000, had their left ears cut off to mark them as disobedient and prone to rebellion. They were not punished with death due to the lack of manpower in Ukraine. Only the leaders of the uprising were killed.

Thank you for reminding me I need to continue this wonderful thread. :):):)


Paradoxically, some historians believe that Cossack risings led to quicker polonisation of Rus/Ukrainian elites:

Amid the general anarchy only the rabble felt good, but anyone who had even a little sense of culture turned away with disgust. Only now did the entire Rus intelligentsia and the entire nobility of Podolia, Volhynia and the whole of Ukraine become Polonized in droves. They became Polonized in thousands only as a result of the Cossack wars, not wanting to have anything to do with the abomination of murder, robbery and fornication, protecting their sense of culture under the wing of Polish culture. The Rus nationality dissipated in the cruelties of the Cossack wars.

Officially the worst thread in PF history.

Wait till we get to 20th century and atrocities that Polish occupiers did in Ukraine...... :):):)

Why does the apology thread have to be the worst? Where were you when Polish bishops forgave the Germans and at the same time asked for forgiveness.

He learnt about it in high school. :):):)

Nothing comparable to what Ukrainians did to Poles. Whoever claims differently is an idiot. Whoever tries to justify the genocide that took place later is a lowlife.


What do you mean where I was? My future mom was in the 2nd grade of primary school when it happened. Also, in 1965 there were no monuments of Hitler and Goering in Germany and Waffen-SS formations weren't hailed as national heroes. See the difference?

Apart from Cossack rebellions, there were also non-cossack rebellions, started by Rus peasants. The biggest, the bloodiest and the last one happened in late 18th century.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koliivshchyna

Koliyivshchyna was a peasant uprising directed mainly against the Polish nobility and the Jewish population and clergy . It lasted from June to July 1768 in Right-Bank Ukraine and was manifested by mass murders of Poles, Jews and Roman Catholic and Uniate clergy, of which the Uman Massacre was the largest . The uprising was suppressed by Russian and Polish troops . The number of victims of Koliyivshchyna is estimated at between 100,000 and 200,000 murdered.

Who are Ukrainians? Slavs of Ukraine? Citizens of Ukraine? Those who feel Ukrainians by nationality?

Please be more precise.

Polish colonialism for which Kania and Ironside stubbornly refuse to apologise also applied to Rus territory which later became Belarus.

After WW1, Poland won the war with bolshevik Russia and in result took control of western Belarus.

Here is a good article how Polish authorities and nationalists brutally suppressed Belarusian aspirations for autonomy.

onet.pl/informacje/nowaeuropawschodnia/od-wiekow-zesmy-spali-lecz-nas-obudzono-bialoruska-wlosciansko-robotnicza-hromada/nym518m,30bc1058

At the end of 1926, the first arrests of Hromada activists were made in all counties. The police increasingly dispersed rallies and meetings of Hurtkas . Militant groups, mainly National Democrats, took part in this. Another witness of that period, Roman Bielawiec recalled: MP Piotr Miotła and other well-known Belarusian activists came to one meeting in Berezowo. The police sent provocateurs who quickly started a fight. Miatła tried to convince the police that we were doing everything in accordance with the law, but they attacked people with weapons anyway. They beat and tortured them terribly. Those who were running away were caught up with and trampled on by horses."

Although parliamentary status guaranteed them immunity, on the night of 14-15 January 1927 the party leaders, led by Taraszkiewicz, were arrested. That night, a total of around 800 people were arrested in all the north-eastern provinces; searches were also carried out in all the BWRH premises. A brutal crackdown on Hromada began. Its activists filled the prisons of the Republic. In March 1927 the party was banned.

Jedyne kolonie jakie Polska miała to letnie dla dzieci. 😀 It's a pity that it can't be translated into English.

You also live in denial of Polish colonialism in Rus territory??? Shame on you! :):):)

Colonies are possessions of a given country beyond its borders, usually overseas. Such a situation has never occurred in Poland.

Another denier I see.:(:(:( Polish crimes are non existent, but others` crimes against the Polish nation are horrible atrocities.
Pathetic. Alien, I thought you were different that those nationalist azholes.

Hey, Poles and Polesses in denial, the sooner you admit to your imperial crimes , the better for all of us.

Read an interview with a French historian, an expert on the history of Eastern Europe who commited a book about Polish colonialism in former Rus territory:
newsweek.pl/historia/ukraina-historia-polskiej-kolonizacji-na-ukrainie-wywiad-z-danielem-beauvois/xf4kn4k

I am not claiming that, I only believe that Poland did not have colonies.

Sigh. You are living in delusion, then. Relieve yourself from it.

You are wrong there, they did.


So, are you defending Russia's actions by saying that Poland was colonist too?

So, when talking to me, try to gather the last remnants of your "intellect" or whatever you keep in that ratty head of yours. I can be very busy and lack time to educate you even though it is my fave hobby.

I refuse to listen to the utter nonsense you are spewing here. Some made up stories about colonies. Only an ignorant flea-ridden pest like you would buy into it. lol!
Stupid people like you shouldn't persue higher education it turns them into pitiful retards.

You refuse but you will listen and read coz I feel the overwhelming urge to educate you and other Poles/Polesses living in sweet denial.

Let`s look at some of the French historian`s opinions, step by step.


His name is Daniel Beauvois. What a decent man.

Interviewer: Your book, "The Ukrainian Triangle," has a horrifying list that stretches over two pages: a landowner beat a peasant to death, which was deemed "in accordance with God's will," a tallyman beat a pregnant woman to death - he was given a two-week prison sentence. All this takes place not in the 15th century, but in the 1830s.

Daniel Beauvois: After all, these are facts recorded in Polish tribunals, later transferred to Russian archives! The Statute of Lithuania, which was created in the 16th century, was still in force at that time. It was extremely cruel, allowing peasants to be treated like slaves, like cattle. Some landowners were even convinced that a peasant had no soul. Were all landowners like that? Of course, there were lords who helped their peasants during floods, famines or droughts. However, as a rule, the people as such were treated, to put it mildly, with great contempt. And in Ukraine, the contempt was even greater. Because the Orthodox were considered schismatics, the worst kind of peasantry.

No need to apologize. Really.