Why Poland is not Russia

wasn't he ehtnically Lithuanian ?

Born in old Lithuania, today Belarus, into a Polish szlachta/gentry family. . Like Mickiewicz. :):)

belarussians claim he was theirs, lithuanians theirs, and polish that he was polish.

@pawian
With regard to Mickiewicz, it's like native americans claiming him to be from their tribe simply if he was born in the U.S.A.

That's how absurd it sounds to Poles

As Russian proverb says: "there wouldn't be a happiness, but misfortune have helped". As the result of German-Soviet pact in 1939 it was Soviet Union that had been sudenly attacked, lost 27 mln of people, liberated Poland in 1945 and saved lives to all the Poles. The heavy, enormose price was paid for a terrible mistake in 1939. USSR lost 600.000 soldiers to liberate Poland. Does modern Russia not deserve to be forgiven?

Liberated? Took over you mean. The Occupier changed that is all.

Liberated or not, but the Russian occupier was better than German.

You are pathetic. People like you and pawian are the end result of their occupation. It will take another 40 years to change it.

Was there at least one Russian in Polish govt.? Were there a signboards "Russians only" in Poland?

No - in result of Soviet Nazi Pact, Poland was attacked and destroyed, with 6 million dead. The Pact allowed Nazis to deal with Poland safely and quickly, while Stalin obtained half Eastern Europe for his disposal.

The Pact was one of the reasons why France and Britain didn`t actively help Poland - they simply knew the case was lost and their full engagement was futile.


First a rogue attacks you together with another rogue, later the rogues fall out with each other and one of them liberates you from the other`s oppression. Funny. :):) And you expect the victim should be grateful?? hahaha You have read too much about Stockhol Syndrome, I suppose. :):):)


Russia as a state? No, it doesn`t. As long as the Kremlin is trying to sell its lying propaganda about the Pact and alliance with Nazis.

However, decent Russians who reject the Pact are OK. :):) There are a few in Russia, but they are hushed down by imperialists and brainwashed homo sovieticuses.

@Cojestdocholery
Russian historiography is heavily influenced by Soviet communist rhetoric. "Liberated" can mean everything from liberating working class from Polish nobility, landlords, shopkeepers (who decide prices...), beurocrats who are backed by the military to demand taxes and opresses, clergy who has authority on religious grounds (communism generally speaking only aknowledges itself as the only legitimate authority based on it's goals) and any other group/authority is to be fought without mercy (one of the reason power hungry control freaks find it appealing)

So yeah, from Soviet perspective taking away Nazi German control from Poland was liberating cause any Soviet control is liberating in their eyes.

While from Polish perspective wether the handcuffs being put on by a person speaking German about race or a Russian speaking about global equality doesn't make much difference except in living conditions and it's scope.

It's like comparing different prison facilities
North Korean vs American one
As an example

When? If you talk 40' and 50' there were more than one. In the 60 at least one. Why Russian? Soviet Union wasn't Russian state, if you leave Russian and put Soviet there were a lot of them.

The main question?what does it matter, there were milllions Red Army and NKVD soldiers on the ground. If All Soviet personel would left in 1947, Soviet gov in Poland wouldn't last a day.

Whom could you name? Any ministers?

The successor of Dzerzhinski was Vyacheslav Menzhinsky.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyacheslav_Menzhinsky#Early_life
He also was an ethnic Pole, though his ancestors converted to Orthodox Christianity.

What kind of nosense is that?

Vyacheslav Menzhinsky, a member of the Polish nobility, was born into an Orthodox Christian Polish-Russian family of teachers. His father was a Russified Pole and a history lecturer.

Polish: Wiesław Mężyński; 19 August 1874 - 10 May 1934) was a Polish-Russian Bolshevik revolutionary, Soviet statesman and Party official who served as chairman of the OGPU from 1926 to 1934.

Two other NKVD cheifs, Genrikh Yagoda
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda
and Lavrentiy Beria
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria
were neither Russians.

@Cojestdocholery
Maybe he thinks the guys ancestry was from areas of the "wielkopolan" or "małopolan"

@Vlad1234
There are something called "false friends" linguistically. Cause of historical context
Ruski -> person with connection to old Kiev Ruś

Rosjanin-> Russian (in Russian context person affeliated with continuation of Kiev Rus, while from Polish perspective a person connected with principality of Moscovy that evolved in to modern day Russian Federation)

So to a Pole, a Belarussian, Ukrainian, Russians or Poles with eastern european ancestry can be called "Ruski"

Cause of said Poles disliking distancing from being Polish (and comparing to eastern slavs and not being considered western) can be taken as an slight, insult or provocation.

Both born in Russia.

That makes them Russian to me.

Polish nobility doesn't equal Polish ethnicity.

@Cojestdocholery
Correct, it equals Polish nationality

Beria was born in Georgia. Kosior was born in Poland.
Stanisław Kosior was born in 1889 in Węgrów in the Siedlce Governorate of the Russian Empire, in the region of Podlachia, to a Polish family of humble factory workers.

In 2010, the Kyiv, Ukraine Court of Appeal affirmed criminal charges against Kosior with complicity in the Soviet government-engineered famine and genocide known as the Holodomor.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%C5%82aw_Kosior

What is your point?

Stop to demonize Russians and Russia and make them a scapegoats who are guilty in all the human sins known. Long live reconsiliation and friendship!

exactly the russophobia and racism and nationalism is thick here or Poland... No wonder Polish people are seen a joke amongst westerners like in uk or usa.

Russia is a legal continuation of Soviet Union and Soviet Union was an evil power, one of the most vile and disgusting totalitarian powers there were. The truth about its vile acts is not demonization is fact checking.

Right now Russia is just a thug than has nothing else but brute strength and is trying to use it to get their imperial aims to fruition. To leach from their semi-colonies to go on as a state that is rotting from inside.

poland only wishes it could have held any such power. hence why they tried and failed with hitler and chechoslovakia.

Not only ethnic Russian bare responsibility for this. There were also ethnic Poles and many others.

That is beside the point. What matters is that Russia is a legal sucessor of the Soviet Union.

Aslo Russia and Poland are geopolitical enemies. Why do you think Russia moved now? Yes, Biden but aslo because time is not working in it favor. They were loosing cultural and economical influence over Belorus and Ukraine. As Poland without really wanting to do it are doing it. So they made their move now while they still can pull it off with their military.

So if we talk about phobia then Polono-phobia is much stronger in Russia amoung it elites than in Poland.
Poland has more reason to have phobia as Russian actions were to destroy Poland independce.
Poland doesn't really care or think about taking Russian independce, just to push Russia out of here and keep it there. Russia has no issue to be here.

And who are these semi-colonies? What Russa gains from them?

Mainly Ukraine but other former soviet states too. resources and control of a strategial space that allows them to pressure Europe.

Lol Lukeshanka spilling the truth:

onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/konflikt-rosja-ukraina-lukaszenko-o-polsce-nudne-peryferia-europy/z6cc8ke,79cfc278

" As Poland without really wanting to do it are doing it."

huh? learn English.