Poland - problem for Germany? (historically continual hostility of German state on Poland)

Considering historically continual hostility of German state on Poland one may conclude that Poland as state and Poles as people represent problem for Germany. Is it so?

well, that`s the question of this thread... Poland - problem for Germany?

Tell me

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Hmm.. maybe a peaceful animosity?

Confined to the football green? Deal! ;)

Looks like you boys will answering to them soon. I hope they are benelovent now. Who knows? Chinese? The US is slowing coming to a close. It's what everybody wanted.. here it is. This is the information age and Krauts are good at that. Here it comes.. fasten your seat belts.

We already do ! In no time at all if you across a pound would like speak to EU, you'll have to speak to the Krauts !


Yes Sir!

Ask Germans on some german forum...... Here we have little to say about what constitutes a problem for Germany. Cohabitation with Germany works well - from polish point of view.

Hey man, what the hell, it could be a very good thing. I didn't mean a prophesy of doom.

:D yes sir !


Yeah ! It couldbe a very good thing.

Lol.. Poles ever the opportunists.

Aren't we ungrateful whiners ? Complaining all the time.....
Well, it could be a good thing, is there any other choice ?

"We" meaning you? Son, we don't give up that easy. Krauts will see we are not as "dumb" as they trumpet.

People can also partly agree with Steinbach. I am Polish on my mother's side and expellee German on my father's side. So, obviously I have no beef with either the Poles or the Germans. In fact, I feel happiest when I see the past put where it belongs, and the two countries getting along well.

It makes me feel terrible to see either of the two groups of people picking on each other. My heart bleeds for the suffering that Poles experienced in WWII, and for all the partitions that wiped Poland off the map. Yet, I can also sympathize with people who had to leave their homeland. I do know that it was not the fault of Poland, the big powers made the decision.

Sadly, many of the expellees were not those who were sent into Poland during the occupation of WWII, but simple farmers who had lived in Poland for hundreds of years. They had nothing in common with Germany, other than German ancestry from 250 years earlier. When they got to Germany, it was a foreign land where they were often called Pollacks. Yet because of the war, in Poland they were considered Krauts.

My father's cousin is 90 years old now and lives in Germany. For most of her life, she missed home. Home for her was Poland. It has only been recently that she stopped missing the house she was born in. I did not know her growing up, the family was very split up after the war. Through my interest in genealogy I was able to find living family in both Poland and Germany and have been able to get an update on what happened to my father's family that were expelled.

(My grandmother came to the USA before the first world war, so it did not effect my father, his mother or me.) But my grandmother's siblings went through hell that they did not bring on themselves. They were the victims of the war just as much as Polish victims of war. Nevertheless, I am not excusing Hitler in anyway. The volume of suffering he brought is unmatched. Besides Polish and Jewish suffering, he also brought suffering to 12 million ethnic Germans in Russia, Poland, Czech lands and other places east of Germany. In my mind there is nothing wrong with acknowledging the suffering of all the people during those awful times.

One of my grandmother's sisters refused to flee in 1945 and her family attempted to stay as Polish citizens. Out of a family of seven, only two remained alive. My father's living 90 year old cousin says that the horrors of WWII for both Poles and ethnic Germans were unspeakable. She cannot tell me of it other than that. And when I had a Polish boyfriend, his family had also horrible stories of what happened to their grandparents, uncles and other family. Maybe all of us should feel sympathy for what happened to all of the people back then. BUT.....

as has been said on other threads, most people alive now had little to do with what happened then. Acknowledge that people suffered, but train yourself to avoid bringing the past suffering into present day relations. To do that only encourages problems in the future and the possibility of more suffering.

Great post Softsong - thank you :)


Well, some are even "dumber"! It have nothing to do with potential but all with matter! :)

Yeah...she is a nice lady!

Thank you Softie...it's to easy to get riled up again and again about the same old records...

Crow, the problem for Germany is in the definition of their role in bailing out the other sovereigns from their financial miseries.

Thanks Ironside and Bratwurst Boy! :-)

Oh, and here is the cool thing that Poland is doing! It is happening all over Poland.
When I went there this summer, I was so touched!

Many old timers in Poland, I find, in my visit to Poland, still have a strong hate for Germany as well as Russia, and I can understand why. Plus I find, the Germans who travel, act as they are better than the rest of us. I have tried to befriend many a German traveler, and still find them to be hard to understand. I drive a German car, and have a German dog, but still, myself don't understand, why they act this way, to all.

Mike

you aren`t right here. You must understand that Anglo-Germanic world organized money flow within the EU and NATO, according to their interests. See? Expenditures of German state are investment in Germanic future of Europe and it isn`t cheep investment

Not to mention that we don`t have enough informations to claim (to accept claims) that German interests already aren`t financially satisfied. Most probably that new EU members/non-Germanic (if we speak of money flow within the EU) financing their own dependency from Germany, on the long run- their own germanization. Yugoslavia and Serbia refused this model and then were punished.

If anything of your theories is actually true....

We are just to smart!

not enough obviously. Serbs are still able to spread the word and suggest alternative

...but there is nothing you can do about it!

Crow,

How has that stimulus worked so far?

simple. Speaking of EU countries, in media you always can hear about British, German, French, etc interests. Did you ever heard about Polish interests?

See? Interests define calculations and actions, money flow. Poland just follow outside interests and is being paid for that. But on the long run, its suicide.

Crow, please ask the resident Poles here to define the Polish interest. I tried it and few could come up with a satisfactory answer. It is as my mum used to say, 'if you don't know what you want, you'll never get it'.

Security must remain a top priority but NATO has pulled Poland into wars which may backfire on them in the future.

i won`t insist on that. i`m not that crazy. Polish national interests are absolutely off-topic

What do you expect Seanie?
The time where polish top politicians were always in the tabloids is gladly over...the hard work is not for the headlines, but between our politicians and experts.

Concentration on the work is actually quite nice for a change and you will see the results :)

I'm asking you what work, BB? Nothing a phone call couldn't sort, I'm sure ;) ;)

Experts on what, BB? What work is being done? Let's be specific here.

Under NATO umbrella, and with a little help of EU, develop Poland's infrastructure (going for modern solutions) and grow economical and financial muscle.
Target: Poland as the one of the European Union shakers next to Germany and France.
To achieve this, policy of military support should be delicately balanced, not like is now - when polish army is spending all budged on supporting American military mission (which are really fools errant and they main aim is to bulge coffers of the bankers and the munitions corporation.)

EU investments should be directed by government to get an optimal results in achieving the target.
( right now, Poland is used as a colonial marked for some EU country's)
That is the reason I regard PO rule as a disaster!


yeah! that right!
Poland governments up the date let all the competitive industries to be sold out to their western competitors or locked away under the pretence of privatisation BB!

As a example you should look up in the Internet about manufacturing fibre-optic cable in Poland.
Just check who is the owner now, and when and why polish-owned factory's were sold out or locked away to make a place for foreign competitors.

I'm sure you'll find it if you are really interested

.To all, please don't make off topic posts. They will just end up in the bin

i learned my lesson. i don`t insist on talks in case with Polish national interests, not even on Polish nation. i don`t insist in any Polish-Serbian historical connections. i don`t insist on comments against almighty France, Britain and USA. i won`t speak in favor of Polish independence. i don`t exposing facts about Arabic, Jewish, Anglo-Saxon-Germanic plot against Slavic world. i don`t speak a lot of against EU, NATO and Islamic league. i don`t speak much about Serbian innocence. i won`t speak nice about Russians. Etc, etc, etc trivial things. Not to mention archduke Ferdinand who died like a pig